User talk:Theroadislong/Archive 51

Linking to authors pages from references
Hi, thank you for reviewing the page I created so quickly. I'm resolving the "orphan" issues and have added links to other wikipedia pages to the subject's page.

I've also found the subject on other wikipedia pages listed as an author on references for several other entries (HSP90, etc.), but when I add the link to his page (Mehdi Mollapour) from his name in the references, it shows up there as "Mehdi, M" - which is the opposite of how it needs to look. Please see reference #26 on the HSP90 page for an example. Is there a way to keep the internal link to his wikipedia page and have it displayed as "Mollapour, M"? Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CNYLibrarian (talk • contribs) 21:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's just the format of the citation, it still links to the article Mehdi Mollapour. Theroadislong (talk) 22:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

message I've received from you
I just saw that you ent me three messages saying that edits I made to articles on the Dardenne brothers, Terrence Malick and Ross McElwee constituted promotional or advertising material and violated Wikipedia rules mandating neutrality. I am upset and genuinely puzzled by this, since my edits consisted solely in adding titles to "Further Reading," "Bibliography" or "Sources" sections without any value judgments whatever. Yes, the titles I added were mostly publications of my own, but there's nothing I found at the Wikipedia web site made me think that isn't allowed. The web site makes clear that submitting an article about oneself is--and should be--discouraged, but I had no idea that I had done something wrong when I submitted, with the enthusiasm of a new member, the flurry of edits I submitted the past two days. Please don't take away my Wikipedia editing privileges--I'm a serious writer and didn't mean to do anything wrong. And please do clarify whether adding it is really prohibited to add books or essays of one's own to existing Wikipedia articles. And Happy New Year! William Rothman — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Rothman (talk • contribs) 22:07, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not considered good form to add your own works to articles like this, it's considered spamming.Theroadislong (talk) 22:12, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Your feedback on Gersten Jacobs page
Your feedback is greatly appreciated! I've made a number of edits, eliminating things I'm unable to document and adding more frequent references. I hope these changes address your concerns and will allow the page to move forward in the review process. Happy New Year!Gaw54 (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Housecall Pro Draft Declined
Hi,

I edited the citation format and eliminated some external links. Can you confirm the approval of this page? Let me know if there are any other concerns.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia0130 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no, it's just blatant advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 08:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Shanika Mayadunne
You have rejected the above article. We were trying to include one or our civil servants to the cyber space. I am not Shanika Mayadunne. I created the account named Shanika Mayadunne bcz I misunderstood the article name and user name my email praneethlaksiri@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanika Mayadunne (talk • contribs) 15:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Vita Kin
I think this topic of the article is sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. I've cleared out ads and spam. You can see this article, please. 192.71.166.25 (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Question for you.
Hi there, can you please create your own version of Mr. Daniels wiki .so it's more formal to be published? He's quite an impressive person and an old colleague. Thank you. Age — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgeWrites (talk • contribs) 13:29, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but it's not a topic I have any interest in. Theroadislong (talk) 18:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Solution for Article Rejection
Hi Theroadislong,

I recently tried publishing an article in Wikipedia, but unfortunately, it was rejected stating "This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia". It would be so nice of you if you can you please provide me with further insights on why my article was rejected and is there any way to get it published. My wiki user name is "BasimaAakif".

I Look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasimaAakif (talk • contribs) 12:32, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Anotah is just blatant advertising..."known for offering luxurious and quality products at an affordable price" "Anotah has also geared up to build a strong online presence" " offers a rich collection" none of this content is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Theroadislong (talk) 18:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

request for undo
Sir i respect Wikipedia guideline the link i have added to help peoples to understand the government scheme. you can visit please, and still if you think so apologize from my end sorry. (Durdana987 (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)).

Update to content on Optical Express Wikipedia page
Hello, I am messaging you with regards to updates that you rejected from the Optical Express Wikipedia page on 12th December 2019. Thanks firstly for your messages, that’s understood regarding the edits. There are some inaccuracies in the opening paragraph of the Optical Express article though which I think it important to correct if possible to do so in an acceptable way. The company’s description is misleading as the company is primarily a laser eye surgery and lens surgery specialist which also offers traditional vision correction options such as glasses and contact lenses. While it is headquartered in the UK, the company has clinics in a number of different countries. I also think it would be helpful to include the number of clinics operated by Optical Express – 130. Is it possible to make these changes to the opening paragraph? Trees88 (talk) 11:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If you can find suitable independent sources for the content please suggest them on the article talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Help
I just noticed this new user: User talk:Modernist 2000; ; it's awfully close to my name and this editor seems to be working on pages that I have edited on...please can you help this person to change their name? Thank you...Modernist (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, I have no special powers over other peoples user names. I can only suggest what you have already done here Good luck! Theroadislong (talk) 22:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks....Modernist (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like that worked. Theroadislong (talk) 11:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, question re. adopters
Hi Theroadislong,

You were kind enough to respond to my earlier communication, so I thought I'd come to you with this.

I would love to be adopted. I had a look at the Adopters section, and though they all seemed friendly and approachable, they also all seemed to be men.

I can cope with men, but I would really like to be adopted by a woman, if that's possible. (Men and women have different ways of learning, even if we end up at the same position in the end.) Is this sexist?

Anyway, I'd be grateful if you could tell me how to go about finding a female to adopt me (putting: WANTED, WOMAN on my 'help|me' section really does come across as sexist, and bit pervy).

Thanks in anticipation, Maryanne Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You can find help with adoption here Adopt-a-user good luck. Theroadislong (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks Theroadislong. I did the adventure (it had the magic word 'adventure' in it, as if editing wikipedia isn't enough of an adventure in itself...). It was very helpful, though I'm still slightly in despair over adding images. Never mind, I'll consult with the Teahouse tomorrow. For the moment, I think that's the way forward. Thanx again, Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:48, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Image dos and don'ts might be helpful, in fact anything you want more info on can usually be found in the search box with a "WP:" in front of it, if that makes sense? Theroadislong (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Chief Pat Article
Hey - just bumping this, I left the message below on Dec. 28th and didn't hear back. Would appreciate any help, thanks!

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Hi Theroadislong! Thanks for the feedback on the Draft:Chief_Pat page.

You noted that you had denied approval because YouTube was referenced for 7 of the 15 sources, however a majority of the YouTube citations were related to channel statistics/milestones that were rather obvious and perhaps not needing sourcing (1, 2, 5, and 6). Would it be better to remove those 4 references?

Otherwise, are the 8 other sources sufficient? There are other snippets that could be added with more colorful commentary, i.e. "Few individuals around the world are as synonymous within the mobile gaming scene as Chief Pat is" from https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/8269/igec-panel-highlight-mobile-esports-the-worlds-largest-niche-community, but I opted to keep things more clear-cut. I'd love to hear your feedback.

Here are some articles I'm using as reference for either gaming YouTubers, or esports organization founders/CEOs: Andy Dinh, OMGitsfirefoxx, Hafu_(video_game_player), Trump_(video_game_player) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kerastus717 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lawrence_Lord
Hi

just wondering ( in detail ) what is wrong with this page?

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.46.245 (talk) 14:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It didn't seem to make it clear how he passed WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 14:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Criteria for composers and lyricists

Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesterday%27s_Gone_(Loyle_Carner_album)

that is a mercury award nominated gold selling album — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.85.201 (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Co-writing a single track on a nominated (but not winning) album is not very big claim to notability, you would need to find multiple in-depth coverage of him first. Theroadislong (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

the criteria was "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition" the album went top 10 and was nominated for the mercury prize ... what more would you need to be a "notable composition "

Multiple in depth coverage

https://www.passionweiss.com/2015/03/12/a-pyrex-scholar-an-interview-with-uk-producer-the-purist/

Pitchfork			https://pitchfork.com/news/49856-watch-danny-brown-and-the-purist-get-trippy-karaoke-style-in-video-for-jealousy/

Fact magazine 		https://www.factmag.com/2013/01/23/hear-danny-brown-team-up-with-uk-producer-the-purist-on-jealousy/

Vice / Noisey 			https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/6adb84/the-purist-album-artwork-contains-instructions-for-cooking-crack

XXL					https://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/02/westside-gunn-purist/

The Guardian ( Glastonbury picks) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/28/glastonbury-2015-what-to-look-forward-to-on-sunday

RWD magazine 		http://rwdmag.com/brighton-producer-the-purist-teams-up-with-mick-jenkins-for-new-single-touch-me/

Passion Of the weiss  https://www.passionweiss.com/2015/03/12/a-pyrex-scholar-an-interview-with-uk-producer-the-purist/

Discogs		https://blog.discogs.com/en/daupe-interview/

Bandcamp daily 		 https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/daupe-label-westside-gunn-sonnyjimm-interview

Complex 				https://www.complex.com/music/2015/03/the-purist-new-song-premiere-el-capitan-feat-your-old-droog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.104.94 (talk) 09:23, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.41.40 (talk) 08:53, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

hello i would appreciate a response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.41.40 (talk) 10:07, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Re: rejection of Robert Russell article
Hi Theroadislong,

Thank you for reviewing my draft (even though it was not accepted). I would be grateful if you could give me some further guidance.

There are two family-based references: 1. Family bible = this only impacts his date of birth.

Question - if I remove the family bible reference and use the independently recorded (I.e. newspapers) date of birth, will this be more acceptable?

2. Personal notebook = this provides detail about his time in London and his early time in Sheffield. There are independent records (i.e. newspaper obituary) that state that he was in London and then in Sheffield, though without the “colour” / detail.

Question - can I leave in the detail from his notebook (which I cannot independently verify)? Or will this still make it “read like a family history project”?

3. Suitability of subject for Wiki article - My understanding is that you consider that Robert Russell is not sufficiently notable - is this what you meant?

Russell was a councillor (18 years), Alderman (16 years), Justice of peace (15 years) and mayor of city (1 year). He was a prominent and significant employer in that city. He also featured in a newspaper series about “ modern mayors..” with an abbreviated life story and is a named mayor on a Wikipedia mayors of Derby” page.

Question - given this, is Russell not notable enough or is it that I have not sufficiently conveyed his notability? [i suppose I am struggling to understand the notability of a modern celebrity who is famous for being famous versus a prominent leader of a significant city (albeit over 100 years ago]

I would be grateful for your guidance. Baddun (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think Robert Russell is sufficiently notable to have an article about him, there is nothing inherently notable about being a councillor, alderman or mayor. It all comes down to what reliable sources have reported about him, which it seems is very little, if you can find more sources and remove all the family history content you would stand a better chance. Theroadislong (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the feedback. I will investigate further and, where relevant, expand on his achievements and remove the obviously family history content (except for the details about parents, wife and children - since this does usually appear in most wiki pages)

Baddun (talk) 13:29, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Help
what did you think of the article review — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacerdaferreira (talk • contribs) 16:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Russ Nelson's marriage certificate
How is that inappropriate? Just wondering. Public record is a public record... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermenegildah (talk • contribs) 17:07, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a primary source, Wikipedia only reports what reliable independent sources have published. Theroadislong (talk) 17:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

"reliable independent sources" - which are? The info about Russell's parents is unavailable online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermenegildah (talk • contribs) 17:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sources do not have to be online but they do need to be independent, reliable and secondary. Theroadislong (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

US Government Documents, Public Domain Information, and Wikipedia Rules
Hello, seeking guidance:

You recently denied a draft article on "Secretary of Defense-Empowered Cross-Functional Teams" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TJQx83928/sandbox). The reason given was the submission "included copyrighted content, which is not permitted on Wikipedia." However, this assessment is incorrect: the citations and quotations given are from public domain documents. The documents are produced by the US Federal Government and, per US copyright law (section 105 of the Copyright Act) "are not entitled to domestic copyright protection under U.S. law and are therefore in the public domain." This includes a quote from an official government report, from a memorandum, and legislation.

As this is the second time I've submitted, I was wondering: am I misunderstanding the wikipedia rules regarding public domain items? What is necessary to get past this hurdle? Thank you.

TJQx83928 (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Williamsburg Christian Academy
I just left a COI welcome for Sullymaan. Then I noticed in the talk page history you had also previously warned this SPA about COI, but it had been deleted. Now he's at it again. Do we need a higher level of warning? Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes it would seem that they have a clear conflict of interest and really shouldn't be editing the page directly at all, not sure what the next level of warning is? Theroadislong (talk) 18:34, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I found an exchange on my talk page that indicates clearly he has a COI, but I didn't warn him at that time. My bad. But you had warned him, and he failed to declared his COI either on his talk page or the article talk page. The next step appears to be WP:COIN. Let's see what he does with my current COI warning. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:53, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Chris troutman. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, User:Sumeenrattan/sandbox/Just Dogs India, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Chris Troutman ( talk ) 00:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * There was a sentence directly copied from another website. I removed the offending material (and then some) and have marked it patrolled. No page should be patrolled without running Earwig's CVDetector. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 00:26, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Robin Sickles page Rejection Reason
Hi Theroadislong

Recently you rejected my information page about Robin Sickles. This is my first article and I cited many sources along with Robin Sickles' CV. You said that the rejection reason is needs independent resources. What do you mean by it? His CV is not an independent source but it cites his articles which can be verified and thus his field can be verified by reading the cited articles. What was the exact reason for rejection? All other citations were scientific books and articles, publisher pages, etc. So, I guess you were referring to his CV. If you can specifically tell me what needs to be correctly, I will do it. I tried many times but each time it is rejected but without any clear explanation which part specifically they didn't like. So, I would appreciate your comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kutlulev (talk • contribs) 19:19, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles report on what reliable independent sources have said about a subject, not what their CV says. Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, How are you doing! I checked your contributions to Wikipedia. It is very great job. I wish you success in the future. And I have a suggestion for you. How can I contact with you? Could you give me your email or write to me on gulyora9920@gmail.com

Kind regards with many thanks, Gulyora — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gulyora9920 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

You can contact me here Theroadislong (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

QUESTION ABOUT A DECLINED PAGE
Hello good morning so you recently declined a page that was edited and I was wondering what would need to be done for our page to get approved. The page was created about an up coming actor that has been featured in several huge movies and has all credits and proper documentation just wondering what does it take for him to get his page approved? Draft:Humberto_Martinez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinez1991805 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You've never edited that draft, so I don't know what your interest is in that draft- but it is simply a resume, and not an encyclopedia article. The fact that you describe this actor as "up and coming" would strongly suggest it is too soon for an article about him; Wikipedia has articles about subjects that are already known, not becoming known, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources.  If you work for Mr. Martinez, you must review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I will add that it is not "his page", but an article about him. 331dot (talk) 15:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Lawrence Lord / The Purist Wiki Page
Hi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lawrence_Lord[edit] Hi

Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesterday%27s_Gone_(Loyle_Carner_album)

that is a mercury award nominated gold selling album — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.85.201 (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Co-writing a single track on a nominated (but not winning) album is not very big claim to notability, you would need to find multiple in-depth coverage of him first. Theroadislong (talk) 17:45, 3 January 2020 (UTC) the criteria was "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition" the album went top 10 and was nominated for the mercury prize ... what more would you need to be a "notable composition "

Multiple in depth coverage

https://www.passionweiss.com/2015/03/12/a-pyrex-scholar-an-interview-with-uk-producer-the-purist/

Pitchfork	https://pitchfork.com/news/49856-watch-danny-brown-and-the-purist-get-trippy-karaoke-style-in-video-for-jealousy/

Fact magazine https://www.factmag.com/2013/01/23/hear-danny-brown-team-up-with-uk-producer-the-purist-on-jealousy/

Vice / Noisey https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/6adb84/the-purist-album-artwork-contains-instructions-for-cooking-crack

XXL	https://www.xxlmag.com/news/2016/02/westside-gunn-purist/

The Guardian ( Glastonbury picks) https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/28/glastonbury-2015-what-to-look-forward-to-on-sunday

RWD magazine http://rwdmag.com/brighton-producer-the-purist-teams-up-with-mick-jenkins-for-new-single-touch-me/

Passion Of the weiss https://www.passionweiss.com/2015/03/12/a-pyrex-scholar-an-interview-with-uk-producer-the-purist/

Discogs	https://blog.discogs.com/en/daupe-interview/

Bandcamp daily https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/daupe-label-westside-gunn-sonnyjimm-interview

Complex https://www.complex.com/music/2015/03/the-purist-new-song-premiere-el-capitan-feat-your-old-droog — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.104.94 (talk) 09:23, 4 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.41.40 (talk)
 * You are free to re-submit I will let another reviewer look at it, but be aware that a nomination only, isn't notable, interviews are not considered independent or reliable sources, neither are blogs, The Guardian page is just a passing mention/listing. Good luck. Theroadislong (talk) 14:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

its more than 99.9 percent of other wiki pages on musicians

the co write on the track is sufficient according to wiki rules — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.41.40 (talk) 15:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Sock Puppet investigation filed in Re: U of T.
Filed at Sockpuppet investigations/Rabbi Zaltzman Naraht (talk) 11:07, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

"The wikipedia"?
You seem to have made a mistake in your decline message at User_talk:Mr.Hugoo. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 14:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * These comments are automatically generated, not sure what went wrong! Theroadislong (talk) 14:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Re Theroadislong, ping MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.).
 * Apparently the message was expanded from a template, which was inserted without a parameter to the lang2iso template – the corresponding part of the entry looks like:
 * Please provide a high-quality English Language translation of your submission. Otherwise, you may write it in the   Wikipedia. 
 * Possibly you could have added a name of Swedish language somewhere and get a message like
 * you may write it in the Wikipedia.
 * which would have then render as
 * you may write it in the Wikipedia.
 * This still looks weird as it doesn't mention the Swedish language in the visible text, even though it actually links to the Swedish Wikipedia's main page. --CiaPan (talk) 11:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, now I (seem to) understand! See that space before the word 'Wikipedia'? There must be some placeholder there in the original template to insert the language name. I have no idea what it may look like, but suppose it was $LangName, then the original message template might be:
 * you may write it in the  $LangName Wikipedia .
 * which should resolve at insertion to:
 * you may write it in the  Swedish Wikipedia .
 * and finally resolve to:
 * you may write it in the  Swedish Wikipedia .
 * you may write it in the Swedish Wikipedia.
 * --CiaPan (talk) 13:36, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Look for  details=Polish  parameter in examples at Template:AFC submission/declined/testcases and Template:AFC submission/declined/sandbox1/testcases. --CiaPan (talk) 14:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Request on 12:32:31, 7 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Lightbluerain
Hello, You declined my draft of Rao Mohar Singh School. I too feel that it was not good enough. But, look at Suzhou Polytechnic Institute of Agriculture. It also doesn't have any reference. And, there are many other like this on Wikipedia. So, can I know why you declined only my page? Thanks Lightbluerain (talk) 12:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you I have tagged it for speedy deletion as a blatant advert, see other poor quality articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Theroadislong, look at Uncertainty management theory. Should this also be tagged for speedy deletion? It also sounds like an advertisement to me. I edited this a bit for its tone. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Michael Behe
Hi Theroadislong,

I was just curious what is wrong with the edits I made. The Michael Behe article is unquestionably slanted, as even Wikipedia itself has a message at the top of the article stating that facts need to be presented with more neutral wording. I was simply trying to help out. Thank you. Easwans (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The template at the top of the article refers to quotations, your edit removed correctly sourced neutral content. Theroadislong (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

"theory" vs. "pseudoscientific principle"
My last edit simply changed "advocate of the pseudoscientific principle of intelligent design" to "advocate of the theory of intelligent design". I think this is a reasonable edit. Where am I wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Easwans (talk • contribs) 21:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Intelligent design is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, it is not a theory. Please discuss your changes on the article talk page not here. Theroadislong (talk) 22:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess we could call it "Junk science", "Fantasy science", "Make-believe science" or just "crazy talk" instead of psuedo-science.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@ravensfire don't look now, but your bias is showing. Glad you get to be the one that somehow gets to determine what's neutral. Easwans (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Oddly, you're trying to put something highly discredited on the same level as something with widespread acceptance, support and evidence. So tell me, what is neutral?  Is it presenting topics that have wildly different levels of support as the same?  That's highly suspect, don't you think?  Yes, it's tough when something you support is on the wrong side.  I get that.  I'm not a fan of how religion is generally presented here, but Wikipedia is first and foremost a reason and science based encyclopedia.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, ID absolutely IS a "theory"....and I am genuinely not sure as to how there is confusion about what the word "theory" means? Easwans (talk) 22:19, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * well, let's get precise about language here. ID is being presented as a scientific concept, so is it a Scientific theory, meaning well-supported.  Nope, it's not.  It's an idea, a belief, a guess, but it's not a scientific theory.  The article on the term has some good discussion on the use of the term, and the non-scientific use of theory.  As science goes, ID is not considered a theory by reliable sources.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Ravensfire, it makes a difference what we call it, because pseudoscience is specifically under discretionary sanctions. I don't think "crazy talk" is. Anyway, I've posted a discretionary sanctions alert on the new user's page, together with some advice. Bishonen &#124; talk 22:22, 15 January 2020 (UTC).
 * , thanks!  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ravensfire, I understand your point, which is specifically why I didn't try to say "scientific theory of..". I thought including theory in the generic sense would work. I'm sorry that I get worked up about this, as I'm in general not an argumentative person and you all are probably nice people. I just get frustrated that highly intelligent scientists can be dismissed so easily simply because they dare to suggest that the existence of our world hints at a designer. I understand that you all disagree with me, but I believe that ID has only been "highly disproven" by scientists who have an emotional response to the possibility that they could be wrong, and they blacklist any scientist who dares to disagree with them. Again, clearly you all disagree, the Wikipedia community disagrees, etc. This is not a fight I will win, so I will stop trying to advocate for language that I personally would find more neutral. I apologize to all involved in this discussion as I tend to get heated about this subject, but I should not have made it personal. You don't have to worry about further attempts at edits from me. I made my case, I lost, I accept it. Everyone please have a good evening.Easwans (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , That's the challenge though - Behe is presenting it as a scientific theory and that's how it's judged by secondary sources. Ultimately, Wikipedia uses the terms that secondary sources do, we don't pull things out of thin air - that's what we call original research.  Behe (and ID) big problem is that science has predominately rejected the idea as based on religion, not on observable and testable phenomenon. Yes, there are some scientists that support it, but it's a very small minority. Wikipedia's NPOV requires that we describe things as those secondary sources do, in relative weight for how they are described.
 * Quite honestly, it doesn't matter what any of the editors here believe or not, it's a question of how is a topic viewed by secondary sources. There are quite a few topics around here that arouse passion in rather incredible amounts, this is actually one of the tamer areas.  I enjoy discussions like this and understand your frustration.  There isn't a perfect system for presenting complicated and controversial topics though - no matter what, some people are happy, some people are angry and some people just wonder why most ceilings are painted white.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite honestly, it doesn't matter what any of the editors here believe or not, it's a question of how is a topic viewed by secondary sources. There are quite a few topics around here that arouse passion in rather incredible amounts, this is actually one of the tamer areas.  I enjoy discussions like this and understand your frustration.  There isn't a perfect system for presenting complicated and controversial topics though - no matter what, some people are happy, some people are angry and some people just wonder why most ceilings are painted white.  Ravensfire  (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ravensfire You're right and thank you so much for your patience. @Theroadislong, I am genuinely sorry for dragging this out on your talk page--I am obviously new here and didn't understand how talk pages work. @Bishonen, thank you as well for your clarifications. You all have been helpful and patient. Easwans (talk) 22:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Indian Institute of Management Kashipur
The content added in the page is not promotional content. Check the citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praneeth96 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I disagree and you keep removing the conflict of interest tag when there are at least 9 conflict of interest users here. Theroadislong (talk) 17:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Sure, will not remove the template. Sorry for the trouble. But can you fix the issue if you no how to or direct that to someone who can do it rather than leaving the issue like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praneeth96 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue can be fixed by conflict of interest editors NOT editing the article directly and removing all promotional content. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Jammie Holmes
Hey Theroadislong, You recently declined a draft I submitted for review and I was wondering if you could further elaborate on why it was declined? None but one article was a "passing mention" and it was solely used to verify the artist at an art fair. Also, one of the requirements for an artist to be considered "notable" is that "(b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition" per line 4.B on WP:ARTIST. This particular artist has displayed work at both Art Basel in Miami, the largest art fair in the United States and The Other Art Fair, one of the largest in Texas, created by the company Saatchi Art one of the largest and most notable online art galleries. The artist is not highly cited but has had substantial parts in two large art fairs in the United States. ArtWorldEditor (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Holmes may have displayed work at Art Basel and The Other Art Fair, but there is nothing to suggest that it was a "substantial part" of those exhibitions? Many thousands of artists display their work at these events. Theroadislong (talk) 17:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay thank you for the clarification. I will do better in my research before submitting drafts. ArtWorldEditor (talk) 17:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Lyndon Ogbourne
Hello,

I am Lyndon Ogbourne and I need changes made to my Wikipedia page. I am known as an actor but I'm no longer in that profession and now have gained notoriety and success in the Art Direction and Set Design world working for many new talents in the fashion, advertising and music world. When clients search my name I'd like references in my Wiki page to my acting but also my career as it is now. How do I do this and have the alterations made to my page? Every time I've attempted to make these changes, you've reverted the information. Lyndon Ogbourne (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no interest in what the articles subject wants to say about himself, only what reliable sources have reported, articles are limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. If there are no sources then we can't add the content.Theroadislong (talk) 16:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Christopher Ategeka Article rejection
Theroadislong, You rejected the article "Christopher Ategeka" with the following explanation

"they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)"

Could you please share some examples of what is considered, reliable secondary sources independent of the subject? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmfisch3 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide references to articles written about Christopher Ategeka in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books, etc. Theroadislong (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

John Cranch
Hello,

You rejected my recently edits (i.e. replacement of the whole article) on "John Cranch English Painter" with the comment "You will need consensus on the talk page before replacing the whole article with your own!" Several days before I did the edit, I posted a draft of the article in the Cranch Talk page, asking for comments and/or objections about using it to replace the existing article. As I received none, I went ahead and did the replacement.

I do want to follow the Wiki guidelines and don't want to step on other people's toes so I'm sorry if I have done the wrong thing here. I would be grateful if you give me some help as I can't find anything in the Wikipedia Help that's relevant.

Thanks Radarman444 (talk) 10:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your addition had incorrectly formatted sources, please read WP:REFB for help with this, it's also considered rather rude to replace ALL content that others have worked on with your own. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Confused
Hi, thanks for your message. So how do you add someones name to Wikipedia? Do I have to get someone else to do it? Film pages list the names of the people who worked on the project. Who adds those names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sticks,stones,bones (talk • contribs) 17:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Generally people who have no connection to the person being added, can add content as long as it is cited to a reliable source. There is no parameter in the film info box for your job description though and Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting your work. Theroadislong (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi again, I thought yoyu might be interested to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_designer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sticks,stones,bones (talk • contribs) 19:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Why? Theroadislong (talk) 19:14, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Housecall Pro
Hi, thank you for reviewing my submission. I made edits to the draft since it was last rejected. Can you please check and let me know if you have any questions? Thank you. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Housecall_Pro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia0130 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry it still reads like a blatant advert to me. Theroadislong (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

A friendly gnome
A friendly talkpage gnome has arrived in your garden out of the blue, altho it seems a bit tall for one. It perches itself up on a fence, and looks out for annoying kids with cans of spray paint.

--moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 15:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Regarding references.
Hey its pleasure meeting you. Recently my article " upsc guide" was under review and has been rejected by you. I Would really appreciate if you help me a bit as i am not able to understand why it got rejected. i have put forth 4 references for all credible and legal sites, two of which are newspaper articles and one Indian government site. still the messages i received was it was not from a credible source. so i have no idea how to proceed ahead as these are the references from the web itself. please help me out to sort this issue. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik jadhav111 (talk • contribs) 16:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Confused
I dont seem to be able to reply to your previous message so trying here. You mentioned: 'There is no parameter in the film info box for your job description though and Wikipedia'. Film pages also have a link to imdb which is considered as a 'reliable source' of information. Production Design is seen on a par with Director of Photography and Editing. They are all 'front screen credits' so are of equal merit so should be listed on Wikipedia. I often go to Wikipedia to find out information about a film.--Sticks,stones,bones (talk) 19:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason I reverted your edits is because the film info box does NOT have a parameter for production designer, I can't help that, it is just a matter of fact. (When you added your name it did not appear in the article's info box). Wikipedia doesn't have to list everyone involved in a film only those that have been covered in-depth by reliable sources. A production designer might be mentioned in the article itself if they have received coverage in independent sources, but not as a matter of course Wikipedia is not like IMdb, it's not a listing and incidentally IMDb has never been considered a reliable source because it is user generated. Theroadislong (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Why then is Director of Photography and editing listed?--Sticks,stones,bones (talk) 19:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Listed where? They are not in the info box template? The film info box template and it's parameters can be viewed here any parameter which is not shown in the template will not appear in the article info box. Theroadislong (talk) 20:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Listed where? Sorry, I dont understand? DOP is very clearly listed in the box on the right hand side of the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Father_(2020_film) Please explain, everything I ask you seems to evoke an abrupt response which isnt helpful to those of us trying to understand the way wikipedia works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sticks,stones,bones (talk • contribs) 20:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)  Apologies, to be clear, DOP is listed as Cinematography (DOP is an abreviation we use for it 'Director of Photography')
 * I'm sorry that you don't understand what I am telling you, you might get a clearer answer at the Teahouse, I posted a link on your talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 20:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia certainly isnt a very user friendly site that's for sure and not at all welcoming!!!! What a shame.--Sticks,stones,bones (talk) 20:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't welcome users who are just here to promote themselves, we are here to build a neutral encyclopedia not further your career! Theroadislong (talk) 22:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

New article: poet Janine DeBaise --and your associated comment about "Autobiography"
Hej! Thank you for your feedback on my article on poet Janine DeBaise. One note, though--you left me the following message:

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions; however, it appears you may have written a Wikipedia article about yourself, at User:Lauren LaFauci (LiU)/sandbox/Janine DeBaise. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – please see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to or change an existing article about yourself, you are welcome to propose the changes by visiting the article's talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss this with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 14:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I want to clarify that I am not Janine DeBaise. My name is Lauren LaFauci and I am a scholar of environmental humanities. I am not writing an autobiography because I know I do not merit a Wikipedia page.

However, I believe that poet Janine DeBaise does. Given the longstanding and well-documented bias in Wikipedia against women, and especially discounting the works of women in humanities and arts fields, I find this rejection curious. I will attempt to find the references you suggest, but I would appreciate you deleting the note about autobiography from my page--perhaps you have done so already? As a new person to Wikipedia, I find its interfaces extremely confusing! I would never presume to write an autobiography; doing so would be unethical and I am offended by the implication, publicly, on my page. It makes it appear like I am self-promoting or lying. Please delete that comment. Thank you for your attendance to this request.

Best regards, Lauren LaFauci,PhD Lauren LaFauci (LiU) (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC) Linköping University, Sweden
 * I deleted the message 20 seconds after posting and explained in the edit summary that it was a mistake. Not sure I could have done it faster! Theroadislong (talk) 09:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Please do review Draft:Avinash Ghising
I have changed as per the requirements so i request you review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Avinash_Ghising again and give feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhuwan (talk • contribs) 15:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Yes Please (band)
added a ton of credible online sources with notable features.

Is there anything else i should add? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Listentoyesplease (talk • contribs) 15:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As I commented on the draft Draft: Yes Please (band) it's not clear how they pass WP:BAND? Theroadislong (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at that draft after it was posted at COIN. Some of the sources appear to be paid adertising via a fake blog service called pusher. See comment on draft. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:29, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Contribution of organisations on Sustainable Fashion
HI,

I'm the digital officer for Centre for Sustainable Fashion, a research centre based at London College of Fashion. We are one of the leading organisations making steps to work across education, knowledge exchange and research to develop solutions for sustainability in fashion.

I would like to list our organisation on this list – please do let me know what is the error with my posting. It is a basic underlay of what we do as an organisation working toward a better future.

Best, Megan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.81.197 (talk) 17:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia it is not a venue for promoting your organisation. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources
Please name the reliable sources TrustedformsONLY (talk) 20:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have searched but I can't fine any Sorry but your topic does not seem to be notable. Theroadislong (talk) 20:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this person has not achieved the level of notability needed to be considered worthy of inclusion.
 * This list is is a list of repeatedly discussed English-language sources, collected and summarized for convenience. The descriptions discuss which ones considered to be reliable and which are not. Non-English sources are also allowed where no English-language equivalent exists, but they must conform to the same standards of reliability and independence. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 20:25, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

re Draft: Ann Mikolowski
Thank you for the comment! I'll resubmit after rereading again, with fresh eyes. Rebeccamchung (talk) 02:03, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitted the Draft: Christopher Ategeka
I have made the changes as per your request and added many independent sources and resubmitted for your review. Please share your thoughts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christopher_Ategeka — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmfisch3 (talk • contribs) 04:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Taylor Gordon Wiki Help
I have submitted my article about musician and drummer Taylor Gordon twice now and it has been rejected both times. The first time I didn't have enough sourcing. Makes sense; I went back and added more sources. The second time it was rejected, the reason you left was that Facebook, Twitter and YouTube are not reliable sources. While I understand that to be true, my subject gained her success and fame through the spread of her viral drumming videos. So I thought a link to the social sites would be helpful. Also, the social media sources were 5-of-12 sources I used. What was wrong with the other sources?
 * Your draft Draft:Taylor Gordon would need to pass WP:NMUSICIAN if you think she does feel free to re-submit. Theroadislong (talk) 15:00, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I absolutely do think she meet the musician requirements. Is there a separate place I have to submit to verify that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonymcatania (talk • contribs) 15:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Which of the 12 criteria do you feel she meets? Theroadislong (talk) 15:22, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Numbers 1, 9 and 10 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonymcatania (talk • contribs) 15:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's possible she scrapes through, please re-submit and I'll accept. Theroadislong (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate your help and patience. I work for a newspaper and have edited and written countless articles and research papers. I know your job isn't easy! Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonymcatania (talk • contribs) 15:45, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
You are most welcome.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC) 

about CONSTASY
Hello, I would like to ask about the review for CONSTASY brand. Could you help me about significant coverage? What do you mean? You don't want to add links about the brand?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrouk (talk • contribs) 21:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I appreciate it. The solution about the article is to add more info? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrouk (talk • contribs) 21:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft reads like an advert. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything the company has to say about themselves. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. The article should be limited to a summary of what such independent sources have said about them. Theroadislong (talk) 21:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

draft cleber machado - sculptor
Hi, I did not understand well. The article has been banned or should I just correct it. All fonts used were provided by the artist himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lacerdaferreira (talk • contribs) 05:11, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Possible cross-wiki abuse.
Hello, Theroadislong. I am an administrator at Lusophone Wikipedia (pt.wiki). Well, in the last few days I requested a verification of the account. The result was positive, with eight puppets confirmed. Each puppet has the same goal: to recreate the same spammy biography, and try to keep it.

Some edited Commons by adding photos related to the subject and others edited the Anglophone Wikipedia, creating Draft:Egobrazil. On this page, the focus object is a web portal related to the biographer (eliminated in the Lusophone). and have been confirmed puppets.

Anyway, I do not have much knowledge of the rules of the anglophone wiki. In addition, the refusal in the Lusophone was considerably more insistent for what I found here (en.wiki). Anyway, I would just like to alert you if you think any administrative interference is necessary. Greetings! Edmond Dantès  d'un message? 05:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment Draft M Politycki
Hi Theroadislong, thanks for comment on AfC page: just to check (still a 'newbie'), I should still resubmit my draft biography and the existing article can be edited? Thanks. Wortmead (talk) 12:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No I would just edit the existing article and add your content which is better quality. Theroadislong (talk) 12:32, 29 January 2020 (UTC)