User talk:Theroadislong/Archive 52

How do I verify without the external links?
Hello Theroadislong, In your edit, you state: "Please remove all external links from the body of the article, we don't use them."

How am I supposed to verify that the the information has been covered by multiple, not-connected sources?

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesRushLTU (talk • contribs) 19:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess you are referring to your draft Draft:Lutheran Education Association. You can use some of the external links as references, but not the blogs which are not reliable and preferably not your own website as that isn't independent. Please also be aware that Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting anything, which is what you appear to be doing. Theroadislong (talk) 19:24, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * There is a subtle difference between 'removing external links from the body of the article' and 'removing external links from the article'. You argue about the latter whilst the message you quote above contains the former.
 * You certainly need external links to sources (WP:Reliable sources to be precise) to make your contribution verifiable. But you need them as appropriately formatted and inserted inline citations, not bare URLs hidden under the text. Please see WP:Referencing for beginners for a simple introduction to referencing. -- CiaPan (talk) 21:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed EL from the draft's body, converting some of them into references (some wer duplicated in references already) and edited a bit – Special:Diff/938294833. Still no indication of notability though... --CiaPan (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S., is it OK to continue this thread here, or should I rather post this follow-up at the James' talk page? --CiaPan (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

The organization exists is a fact. Not trying to promote the organization, just put it out there as a legitimate organization. The NEA, National Education Association, has an article, what if I used that as a model to include links to verify without promoting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesRushLTU (talk • contribs) 19:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Merely existing is not a sufficient reason to warrant a Wikipedia article, the association needs to be notable. The article National Education Association is well written in a neutral tone and is well referenced by independent reliable sources, so yes it would be a good article to base yours on. Bear in mind that Wikipedia has no interest in what the articles subject wants to say about itself, only what reliable sources have reported. Theroadislong (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

new source for justin gray
Hello, could you please verify that this is a legit source for my article?

"Justin Gray | Credits". AllMusic. Retrieved 23 January 2020. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/justin-gray-mn0001825442/credits

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Justin_Gray_(Songwriter/Producer)

It's my first page and I'd really like to do what I can to learn how to become a productive and helpfu l wiki member by publishing it.

Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichardBrendanWynne (talk • contribs) 18:17, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that like YouTube, Allmusic is not considered to be a reliable or independent source. See WP:MUSICIAN for the notability criteria for musicians. Theroadislong (talk) 18:38, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Appreciation
Thanks for your amazing works on Wikipedia. It is such a great privilege to have an experienced editor like you and i really appreciate how much you have contributed to this encyclopedia (having checked all the badges you have earned). But I will want to ask you the reason for moving the page 'Tola Olukilede'. From my general research, he has demonstrated notability online and even offline in Nigeria. I think he deserves to be documented for public consumption.

Kindly look into this and let me hear from you

Cheers!

--Niftyrules™ 16:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niftyrules (talk • contribs)
 * Coverage in sources needs to be in-depth about him, not mere passing mentions. Theroadislong (talk) 16:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

rejection for Kartiki Malik
Hello,

This is my first article. Can you please help me with making live? Please suggest me the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartiki Malik (talk • contribs) 21:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not everyone is notable enough for a Wikipedia article and Kartiki Malik is certainly not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 21:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

ASSISTANCE PLEASE
HI

I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DELETE THE User:BG J. Johnson PLEASE ASSIST ME THANK YOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by John BG Johnson (talk • contribs) 17:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You cannot delete accounts you just need to stop using it. Theroadislong (talk) 17:56, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Rejected article on Thema
Having added some externally-published articles about Thema to the references section in response to your initial rejection, I feel that the draft article should have been more favourably re-reviewed. In a relatively specialised world like book subject category schemes (or marginally wider, the world of commercial book metadata), it is inevitable that most sources are primary rather than secondary, and are created by a small number of people.

Thema is widely used – particularly in Europe and increasingly in places like India and Japan. Publishers including HarperCollins, Penguin Random House, Macmillan, Hachette, Simon and Schuster and many others use it. Retailers including Amazon and Blackwells use it (it is Amazon's preferred scheme in Europe) and publishing organisations is perhaps 40 countries have contributed to it. It's odd that there isn't a Wikipedia article about it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by EDItEUR staff (talk • contribs) 17:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You added a number of external links, not references, references belong next to the content they support, you also need to declare your conflict of interest on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 17:19, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eddy_Apostu
Hi,

Please, can you assist me to finish and to publush this article ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eddy_Apostu

Is my first trial to do something on Wikipedia but they all place banners with restrictions and rejections on my draft, but no one corrects the mistakes and does not optimize the draft.

I have put sources and quotes verifiable and reliable. I triple checked if everything was true about the artist.

I didn't receive any money to make this article. Just I found the artist on the net and I think it is worth knowing because he not only introduced a concept in art (holotropic art), but also made a unique painting in the world with over 8200 colors.

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John BG Johnson (talk • contribs) 11:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid he does not seem to pass WP:ARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 18:56, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Request on 12:25:43, 5 February 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Sarah Mayhew
Please could you be more specific please as to the conflict of interest with this page.

Sarah Mayhew (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You are editing using your own name, are you denying that you work for them? Theroadislong (talk) 12:47, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Request on 18:06:42, 5 February 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by BRidley66
Hi, I have just received your message turning down my submitted page on the Society of Cosmetic Scientists. I am surprised that this does not meet the criteria as I looked at similar pages by the Royal Society of Chemistry, the Society of Cosmetic Chemists and the Societe Comsetalogique de Francais and they had similar content. This article is to raise awareness of the society and the services that it offers to members as part of our push to show cosmetic science as a possible career choice for school children and graduates alike. Please can you give me some guidance on what I need to do to put the message out without it being seen as an advert for what is a not for profit organisation with the aim to increase awareness of cosmetic science?

Many thanks for your help, Best Regards, Bernice

BRidley66 (talk) 18:06, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your intention " to raise awareness of the society and the services that it offers to members as part of our push to show cosmetic science as a possible career choice for school children and graduates alike" is against all that Wikipedia is here for. Wikipedia only reports in a neutral manner what reliable sources have said about a topic. Theroadislong (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Margaret Komuhangi
Hey, I think the original editor on this page might be WP:UPE. Deleting chunk of sourced information about the subject's recall election with no reasoning. Trying to avoid WP:3RR, but would love another pair of eyes. Bkissin (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Gulf Yachting Association
Hi there -- I've gone ahead and added about another ten references including the New York Times to Draft:Gulf Yachting Association that you strangely thought unworthy. If you would like, I'll go ahead and add a primary, secondary and tertiary reference for each year of the 119 year existence of this most prestigious organization. Further, if the Gulf Yachting Association is unworthy of a wikipedia page, then it's curious that eight of the 36 member clubs ARE worthy. Cheers. GulfSails (talk) 07:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not its existence that's in question, it's its notability. Please click that blue link for an explanation. Citing further sources that mention the Association won't help at all, unless they also discuss it at some length. Maproom (talk) 09:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, then please explain Mobile Yacht Club inclusion? They are a founding member of the Draft:Gulf Yachting Association. This is what is perturbing me. Pettiness regarding a much larger subject with a gazillion references through history, versus minor subjects. GulfSails (talk) 09:46, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please read other crap exists the Mobile Yacht Club is shockingly bad I have tagged it's various issues, having one bad article is not an excuse to add another. Theroadislong (talk) 09:56, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok... can I highlight your highness to other pages? Or do you specifically want to keep focusing on mine? Ridiculous. GulfSails (talk) 10:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Christopher Ategeka Article
I have made the changes as per your request and added many independent sources and resubmitted them for your review. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christopher_Ategeka — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmfisch3 (talk • contribs) 08:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

ManoramaMAX Article
Hi, Thank you for your review. Can you tell me how to make the article sound less like an advert? Your feedback is greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annemmtv (talk • contribs) 10:25, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I am a volunteer editor, whilst you are being paid, I suggest you learn how Wikipedia works first by making a few thousand edits to other articles. Help here Please also make the mandatory disclosure of conflict of interest, on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 16:16, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Widipage Page Declined
Hi there, I want to create wikipedia page for a business, I have created an article on wikipedia and added many proofreading links but the wikipedia declined the business page.. Can anybody please help me how do I get publish article on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessi Bennett (talk • contribs) 11:12, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You are being paid to edit, whilst I am a volunteer, I have spent many thousands of hours over 12 years editing Wikipedia, that is how you learn how to publish an article, but be warned writing an article about your own company is one of the MOST difficult tasks here and is not encouraged, I am not prepared to help, if your company is notable, someone unconnected will eventually write an article. Theroadislong (talk) 16:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Well said
That's telling 'em! (And your reply immediately above, too.) Thank you for your frankness! Note also that the user has made the same request at WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk. Bishonen &#124; talk 16:35, 7 February 2020 (UTC).
 * Ditto.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Daniel Aged article
Hello!

Thank you for taking the time to review my article twice now. Is there anything specifically that you feel the page is lacking? I would love to be able to get this page up and running (and properly formatted/vetted) so please let me know if there are any specific steps I can take.Audreyne (talk) 22:51, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You need to consider how he passes WP:MUSICIAN and find independent reliable sources that support this. Discogs and Wikipedia are not suitable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 23:23, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Zoltan Torey Article
Performed required edits to the referencesD v 03:23, 8 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da veder (talk • contribs)

Mai 36 Article Declined
Hi there, many thanks for reviewing my article about Mai 36 [|draft]. I have included more resources and expanded on some areas and have resubmitted it already back in October 2019. Since then, there has not been any feedback so I wanted to kindly ask you if it would be possible for you to take another look at the draft again anytime soon. Thanks in advance for your time and critical review!

Cheers HTHEVIII (talk) 15:02, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m not seeing the in-depth coverage that is required to establish notability. Interviews are not considered reliable sources and routine listings and passing mentions are not much help. I’ll leave it for another reviewer to decide but notability does not seem to have been established yet. We have many thousands of articles that need improving, creating new ones (especially poorly sourced ones) is not so imperative. Theroadislong (talk) 15:14, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Global Panel Foundation
Dear Theroadislong,

Thank you for reviewing Global Panel Foundation.

I wanted to reach out to you about it, because I feel like you are making false accusations on there. I'm not getting paid for making the article, and as Wikipedia can see, I'm not related or working for the organisation. I'm Belgian-based (as you can see on my IP), so there's no connection to the organisation.

Besides that, I don't understand why it would not be encylopedic. Since the organisation, is mainly an English organisation, but has an approved article in the German wikipedia version. The references include several newspaper articles (one even dating back to 2003) directly dealing with the organisation in internationally recognised media(Welt, Bloomberg, ... ).

I hope you can further elaborate on how to complete the article, or accept it.

Best regards, IntRelations123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IntRelations123 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that there is an article in the German Wikipedia has no bearing on this one, English Wikipedia has stricter standards for inclusion. It reads in a promotional manner which leads one to surmise that the creator has a conflict of interest and these are your only edits on Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 12:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

why
you were my hero till you said no to my edit "the meaning of life" you are I had started editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101nelson (talk • contribs) 17:35, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies I should not have declined your draft as vandalism but because, we already have an article called Meaning of life.
 * BTW, I deleted as a test - Nabla (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Jaya_House_Hotels review
Hello Theroadislong,

Thank you to take time to review this article two times and we are sorry about that we do our max to create a very nice article for people understand what is our hotel.

But it's still declined and we create an totally new one and waiting since 27 November your review, can you advise me about it?

Thank you very much for your work and help!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jaya_House_Hotels — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoffroyFrancois (talk • contribs) 01:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Graduate Hotels
Hi! You left a note on my article for Graduate Hotels that it felt like a conflict of interest when reading. I have since edited the piece to be more objective and included more citations from relevant news sources. Could you please review again? Would love to get my first page published!

Thank you, Eagate23 (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Graduate Hotels
Hi there! Thank you for your comment on Graduate Hotels - could you explain how this is "promoting the brand"? The page features basic facts about the company with reputable sources like Forbes, CNBC, NYT, Hospitality Net. With 22 hotels across the portfolio, Graduate Hotels seems worthy of its own page. Could you provide advice on how to edit this to receive your approval to publish?

Thank you! Eagate23 (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just a list of hotels in a portfolio, are you being paid to create this by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 20:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
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The Toven draft
Hi,

Your point was well taken however it seems to defy logic. Wikipedia and its volunteers determine and validate "independent reliable sources" when approving or denying articles correct? Are you stating that The approved Wiki articles that have been cited in The Toven article draft did not receive independent in debt coverage? If the answer is yes, then why does the published text exist in Wiki as approved?

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.'

The contributions The Toven made to Dj Rectangle and Jayo Felony have both received significant coverage and is noted and cited in the text properly.

With respects to some needed adjustments, It seems this review isn't being handled correctly. Please reconsider

Respectfully

Thanks 16:34, 13 February 2020 (UTC)Spiritletters (talk)


 * your sources all appear to be Wikipedia articles, which we never use, and their website, which can't be used to show notability. I'm wondering if your Wikipedia links were meant to go to the news media mentioned. Doug Weller  talk 16:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Doug, Good solid point. Yes, news media mentioned (unless its biased or slandering with malicious intent like some) As well as Wiki articles and the news media links that were used to verify the notability of the article to begin with. Thanks Spiritletters (talk) 17:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

My Page Utpal Kishnaji Khot
Hi Theroadislong

My Page Utpal Krishnaji Khot has been taken down by you. As this is my first page please help me regarding anything which i have missed. I have tried to put as much references as possible relevant to subject. If you read articles you will find in staring about many other things that Utpal is doing and eventually you will read in the articles about his contribution and his NGO work also. Kindly help me as i'm a newcomer and don't have experience as you have.

Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by DivyaSethia (talk • contribs) 13:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Miledate/sandbox/Scum (music band)
Hello. Why you declined my article about Scum band? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miledate (talk • contribs) 09:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As the decline explains "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." You have no sources at all in fact, so no way of establishing if they might be notable. Theroadislong (talk) 09:45, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Gold Derby Award for Best Drama Series


A tag has been placed on Gold Derby Award for Best Drama Series requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. DannyS712 (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!
Cheers, theroadislong Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 23:31, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello Theroadislong
You had a look at the biography page I had created about Davood Roostaei about 10 days ago and you mentioned I needed to add more references. I have now added 40 new references to the references I previously had. Are you able to look at it again and see if the article can be published? I would appreciate this. I have submitted it for review again but it says it can take up to 4 months. So I wanted to reach out to you and see if the article can be published sooner. Please have a look at my draft again and let me know. I believe it should now be in good shape. Best Regards, Jeff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It is still very lacking in sources to support it. The introductory section, the Early life and education section and the career section are all unsourced? Please read WP:REFB for help with formatting sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, Thanks again for having a look at my draft. I understand your concern. All the 3 sections you mentioned have been sourced based on me reading and researching a variety of reliable secondary sources such as  the book of Davood Roostaei which is called, " Davood Roostaei and the Manifesto of Cryptorealism", as well as thoroughly reading numerous news articles, art magazines, and biographies written on him by different art historians. And these have all been put under the references section with links which take you to them for the ones that exist online. I have also both interviewed the artist and have attended numerous exhibitions of his work and have learnt a great deal about him and his art. However, I have not input the references in the body of the article, I have listed them all below under the references section of the article. But if this is a problem then I can add more references within the body of the article as well. The references I have added showcase a variety of different depths in terms of coverage on Davood Roostaei and his art. Some go in great depth and some are more general. However more references can certainly be added. Davood Roostaei is a well recognized contemporary artist internationally and he has been recognized for his artistic achievements since the mid 1980's until now. Therefore, some references such as old newspapers and books have also been used here in writing this article which I have mostly cited as well even though links may not be found to them online. To sum this up, if you have a look at all the references I have put you will notice that the introductory section, the Early life and education section, and the career section are all well sourced. However, if more references are required then I can certainly add more. Also, you must note that some neutral bridges have been added by myself based on learning about Roostaei's work in great depth and having met and interviewed him several times, I felt at liberty to input some bridges in the article to make it easier and more pleasant to read. Again, thank you for your help. It is greatly appreciated. Best, Jeff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 11:47, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The content will require in line citations. Wikipedia is not interested in our own perspectives, and all your original research will have to be removed. Theroadislong (talk) 11:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Would I be able to add more inline citations and still keep all the other references I referred to in writing the article? Meaning, I can just add more references to my references list but also do inline citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

So my understanding is that once a number of inline citations are added then the article should be in good shape to get published? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

My article and my original research has all been based on the resources I have listed in the references section. However, from my understanding here I will need to add inline citations to the introductory section, the Early life and education section, and the career section correct? I will certainly get that done. And in terms of adding bridges which I mentioned earlier, I was meaning just simple word-smithing in a few areas where they were needed, not adding any unverifiable information. By bridges and perspectives I was meaning just adding a few words or a sentence if needed to make the transition between paragraphs more readable that's all. But all the information written have come from research based on secondary verifiable sources which I have listed a number of them in my resources section. And I will now get to adding inline citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you I received your comment on my draft. I will take out his website from my references list and only keep the secondary and independent sources. I will also add inline citations to all 3 sections you mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, I am making the changes you suggested in terms of the inline citations. Can you please have a look at my draft and let me know if it is progressing in the right direction? Please note I am not done with it yet, I just want your opinion so far in terms of the improvements. Just to make sure im going the right direction. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 06:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of my sandbox
Hey Theroadislong, hope you're having a nice day!

I was just coming here to discuss your tagging my sandbox for speedy deletion. I used the "Contest this speedy deletion" button, but about 1 hour afterwards, Bbb23 deleted both my sandbox and my contesting of the deletion.

When I wrote the article, I appropriately tagged it with so that it would not be taken literally. For this reason, it was not vandalism and I made clear it wasn't real, so it does not qualify as a hoax. Furthermore, since it was my sandbox, there was no reason to delete it since the sandbox is designed for experimentation. Finally, according to the Criteria for speedy deletion, a page should, if possible, be reverted to the last acceptable version. My sandbox has not always had the deleted article draft in there, so, even if all my above points are wrong, it should have been reverted to the last acceptable version.

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

P.S. I sent a similar notice to Bbb23's talk page, so you my want to comment over there. Ghinga7 (talk) 20:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't recall what the content was and I am not an admin so can't see it, but presumably you submitted the sandbox for review as an article? Theroadislong (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I did. It was submitted for review sometime in the evening yesterday (I think), and was deleted 3 hours later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghinga7 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 13 February 2020 (UTC) ''Note: the aforementioned page has been restored by Bbb23. There is no reason to further this discussion unless you feel there is a need to.'' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghinga7 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Page rejected?
Hello

I've been writing my first article and I see you've rejected or stopped it due to advertising. I'm trying to rectify this, and could do with some pointers if possible. Am I able to edit the page and then re-submit it?

All the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazstrange (talk • contribs) 11:38, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft is totally inappropriate as it stands, apart from one sourced sentence which mentions a non notable award. You will also need to declare any conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 11:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I'm taking a look at this. I was trying to follow a few similar Wiki pages for similar UK businesses, such as Linklaters LLP. I realise I need to add a lot of references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazstrange (talk • contribs) 11:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

By the way, most of the article talks about the history of the company and its relevance to Reading, UK, plus historical figures in the law field. They are a very historical company, one of the oldest law firms in the UK. Apart from the Awards section, I don't think it reads like advertising at all does it?

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dazstrange (talk • contribs) 11:50, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry but from the very first sentence it is nothing but blatant advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 12:36, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * and now it has been deleted as a copyright violation of https://www.blandy.co.uk/about/our-history-and-heritage which I missed. Theroadislong (talk) 15:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Deleted my comments on your wall thingo?
You deleted my 2 comments? Come on man the hell up.... Pathetic Sharmo96 (talk) 10:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi there,

I recently resubmitted an article for review and you denied it. I can't see why, as the sources I provided are entirely about the subject at hand - much more than the "mere mentions" that DGG denied the article for at first. Similar wikipedia pages seem to have even less relevant sources, such as dealsplus and coupon cabin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealsplus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupon_Cabin

Can you please explain where I'm going wrong? I could really use your help here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jk3142 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong
Can you please have a look at my latest draft and let me know what you think so far? I have made the changes you requested and I'll be making afew more changes and I'll add some more references as well but I just wanted to see what you think so far. I believe it reads a lot more neutral and dispassionate now. Again, I appreciate your time and all your help and suggestions with this so far. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

article failure to submission
Hi！my submission is rejected by u. My ID is Zzhu8516. The reason is i copy too much. But now i changed a lot. Can u have a look now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzhu8516 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

SANGHAMITRA Post
Hi there,

just saw your message about the article rejection for Sanghamitra Fashion. I see my submission was rejected as the topic is considered not relevant enough for being posted. Would be feasible to please learn more about relevancy and what scope/ reach does a topic need to carry in order to be considered relevant?

I understand not many people know about SANGHAMITRA in Europe or the Americas, however the brand and family name touches millions of people in in India. The designer (sanghamitra phukan) is the daughter of Actor Biju Phukan, widely considered the most important actor in the North east of India:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biju_Phukan

Sanghamitra is the first indian model to have ever featured in a global Benetton campaign and was formerly global brand ambassador for Reebok, she worked internationally as a professional model and gave shape to her sustainable fashion/ lifestyle brand during the same time.

Across the last decade, SANGHAMITRA actually participated at the London fashion week, headlined the ASVOFF festival in Paris and hosted several events in both London and Milan (if international relevance is something important to wikipedia). Still regardless of that, the Sanghamitra annual fashion show is arguably the most important fashion appointment in the region of Assam, watched by millions of people locally and thousands of Indian/ Assamese people on global satellite TV.

The brand was featured on Forbes and innumerous local media platforms. Is there anything we could to provide in order to demonstrate this? Or could you please guide us on what would qualify as relevant to be rightly posted?

Many thanks Giuseppe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giuseppe Rodio (talk • contribs) 13:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, and intellectually independent of each other. See Notability (people).or organisations see Notability (organizations and companies). Theroadislong (talk) 14:09, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Youtube
Re: this edit: External links do not have to be reliable sources. They do need to comply with WP:EL. Links to Youtube videos are not forbidden. See WP:YOUTUBE. In this case, the video was produced by the Catholic News Service and posted to Youtube by them, so copyright violation is not an issue. --Srleffler (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes of course, my mistake. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 19:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong
Can you please have a look at my latest draft and let me know what you think so far? I have made the changes you requested and I'll be making afew more changes and I'll add some more references as well but I just wanted to see what you think so far. I believe it reads a lot more neutral and dispassionate now. Again, I appreciate your time and all your help and suggestions with this so far. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Organic Psychoses of Childbearing
Dear Theroadislong,

Many thanks for responding so rapidly to my resubmission of the entry entitled 'Organic Psychoses of Childbearing'.

At the same time I posted this response to Robert McLennon, who made a rather similar comment to yours. I would be most grateful if you would study it. There are no other reliable sources! I am not sure how I can make it less like an essay, since it summaries about 20 distinct disorders! I hope very much that it can be made acceptible to Wikipedia, because this information is not available elsewhere in the encyclopaedia, and would be of value, especially in the poorer nations.

````Son of Fraser and Joyce````, February 24th 2020.

This is the response to Robert McClenon.

I am grateful to Robert McClenon for suggestions on the improvement of this submission. He commented:

[1] That the article reads like a subsection from a textbook, rather than a summary of what has been written by reliable sources.

The problem is that there are no other reliable sources. Very few books have been written on postpartum psychoses, and only one on the organic causes – my monograph published in 2006 (reference 4). Alwyn Lishman is an authority on organic psychiatry, but does not deal with this topic; in fact he wrote a forward to this monograph. My book ‘rescues’ knowledge contained in about 1,000 articles, theses and books written in the last 250 years. The book is a compendium of what has been written by a multitude of sources (of varying reliability). The book is not really a textbook – it would never be recommended to students of any discipline to ‘mug up’ for an examination; it is a source of information for scholars, scientists and clinicians. The submission is a summary for the Wikipedia community, which I hope will guide them to deeper knowledge in areas of interest to them.

[2] That the submission has no lead section. Partly this is my mistake in entitling the first paragraph ‘Introduction’, rather than leaving it untitled. My ‘introduction’ was intended to be a lead section. I have studied Wikipedia’s guidelines on lead sections, and see that this opening paragraph needs to be improved, identifying the topic, putting it in context, and stating why it is important, before summarizing the most important points. That is the main change in this re-submission.

[3] Thirdly, it has no links. I have supplied 23 links.

Many thanks for considering this re-submission.

````Son of Fraser and Joyce````, February 24th 2020 i.f.brockington@bham.ac.uk
 * The draft seems to contain original research and or synthesis, if there are no other reliable sources then we don't have an article I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 12:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Request on 15:49:14, 24 February 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Purplemoonsong
Hi! You reviewed my draft of Barbie Fairytopia: Magic of the Rainbow and declined it because the sources were not reliable. I am a little bit confused about how I can improve this, because I saw many of the other Barbie movies had similar sources, and they were allowed through. One of my sources was the IMDB page, and I thought that was a reliable source. Could you give me any more specific feedback? Sorry for the trouble!

Purplemoonsong (talk) 15:49, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You can read up on what constitutes a reliable source here, IMDb has never been considered a reliable source because it is user edited. The fact that other poor quality articles exist is not an excuse to allow more, see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi, Thanks for leaving a comment. I didn't know that Wikipedia doesn't reference itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali.shaila (talk • contribs) 16:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

draft: Housecall Pro
Hi, I made edits to the draft page "Housecall Pro": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Housecall_Pro and eliminated blatant advertisement content. Please take a look and let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cecilia0130 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Still looks like blatant advertising to me, do you work for the company by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 17:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

QSP SUMMIT article
Hi,

Thanks for the feedback.

The major part of the "QSP SUMMIT" article is not written in english because I am portuguese and I wrote a portuguese article about a portuguese major marketing event.

As for the professionals titles in Portugal it is common to write them in english.

May you give some advices to improve my article so that it will be accepted by you?

Best regards, Maria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maria Pereira5 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You will need to translate it into English and remove all of the Wikipedia references which cannot be used as a source, also removing the GIGANTIC lists would be an improvement. Theroadislong (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong
I cut a bunch of lines out of the Early life and education part again and made the article even shorter. I'm not sure if I accidentally removed the exhibitions and public collections sections or you did, but I added those sections back on to my latest draft again. I have made the article shorter now and just looking to add a few more references then I think it should be good. Please have a look again and let me know if there are any other specific parts that I need to still cut out? I have very closely followed all of your suggestions so far and they have been helpful. So thank you again for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I noticed Thatmontrealllp had removed my exhibitions and public collections lists. I put together these 2 lists by looking at gallery cites and artprice to get the location and the dates for the exhibitions, which I also included in my references. However, if you also prefer these 2 sections to be cut out then I will leave the draft as is currently and just add afew more references to it. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I followed the exact same format for the exhibitions and public collections as I saw in Angela Grossmann's Wikipedia page as an example. Then in my references I also included the source I got the exhibitions list from.. And as I noticed with Angela Grossmann's wikipedia, as well as many other artists, the Exhibitions and Public collections sections do not seem to need to be heavily sourced as it appears on Wikipedia. And I had enough sources for these sections to show where I got the locations and dates of the exhibitions from. However, if you also prefer for the exhibitions and public collections sections to be left out then I will leave out these sections as I currently have in my most recent draft. Or if you think it is okay for these 2 sections to be brought back into the draft then I will do that. I would preferably like to keep the exhibitions and public collections sections, as I believe they are just plain and informative facts layed out in point format and good for the article. But if these 2 sections need to be heavily sourced, and if it makes the process of the acceptance of the submission easier to leave them out then I am okay with that as well for now until I find more sources on them. I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, Just following up on the above. Thank you Jeff Nicolas774 (talk) 20:24, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The "Exhibitions and Public collections" section is really irrelevant, the tone of the article is still wide of being encyclopedic for example..."This casting aside of the paint brush, has him viscerally connecting, through his fingers, with his subject on the canvas." this is not the sort of comment we would find in a neutral encyclopedia unless it was a specific quote from someone. I will leave it for another user to review. Theroadislong (talk) 20:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I understand. I’ll make some more changes and make it even more dispassionate and neutral and perhaps add some additional references. Would you then be able to publish it for me if everything is good? Thanks Jeff Nicolas774 (talk) 21:15, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Did you ever get a chance to have a look at Angela Grossmann's Wikipedia to see where I was coming from in terms of Exhibitions and public collections? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong, I'm not sure if you looked at my most recent draft/edit or not. However, I just added some sources besides my Exhibitions and public collections list, and I can add more if needed. Or if you still prefer these sections to be removed that is ok too. Also I added some other Independent sources as well, such as : DER SPIEGEL, DIE WELT, Hamburger Abendblatt.. these are all very credible media which you can research for yourself. And I have also removed all other content which you previously instructed. Please have a look at my most recent draft and let me knbow your thoughts. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Nicolas774 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said above "I will leave it for another user to review". Theroadislong (talk) 12:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sigh
See my new AFC comment on Draft:Delaram_Kahrobaei. Paid editing! I also wanted to say how much I enjoy stalking your talk page-- I hope you do not mind. So many fascinating chaacters pass through here, and your asessment is always correct! I learn things all the time from the activity here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Can’t find your tag
Hi, someone said you tagged a problematic sentence for me that needs proper citation but I can’t find the tag or see it. In other words, I don’t know which sentence it is. Can you tell me if it’s reference #1, 2, or 5? And so on. If you tell me which number it is then I’ll do my best to fix it. Thank you! Rleighty855 (talk) 13:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The tags in question are the ones. —  HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I don’t mean to sound like a broken record but I put in 5 references so which one of them is it? Could you help me edit my draft? Rleighty855 (talk) 13:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * On the Draft:Delaram Kahrobaei page, in the Biography section there are many sentences that have tags. Each one of those sentences has to have a one or more citations to a reliable source. There can't be content in the draft does doesn't have an inline citation.


 * No citation:
 * Person was born in New York.


 * Inline citation:
 * Person was born in New York.


 * You can use the same reference multiple times. Or multiple references can support the same thing. But all facts have to be cited. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I finally saw the marks at the end of the sentences. That really clarified so much for me! I'll keep in mind next time to add references at the end of each sentence/fact, just to cover my bases.

You are awesome! Thanks again! I hope it passes this time.. fingers crossed!! Rleighty855 (talk) 15:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you are being paid to edit, I will not be assisting you in any way, shape or form. Theroadislong (talk) 19:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I was born Deaf and I've been told I'm very naive. I am truly new to this Wikipedia thing. I'm still learning. So sorry, thank you.

Thank you Rleighty855 (talk) 19:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing
I was born Deaf and I've been told I'm very naive. I am truly new to this Wikipedia thing. I started out as an artist and illustrator due to my not being able to speak. Over time I worked on my writing skills and wanted to try find a job from home. I had no idea wikipedia editors don't like paid editors. I recently made a user page the other day, and I'm surprised to find such hate towards paid editors. Can someone explain to me why? I'm used to being bullied because I was made fun of for my deafness and not being able to speak correctly. So, I'm used to this kind of response in the world, but on here?? I'm willing to learn and respectfully follow the policy.

Rleighty855 (talk) 19:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Per Paid editing (essay) "Paid editing is generally frowned upon in the community. There are also some editors who very strongly disapprove of paid editing, and others who do not care about it and focus only on content. But please be aware that the general sentiment is uncomfortable with paid editing, at best. It is tolerated. Rightly or wrongly, paid editors are often viewed with suspicion or even hostility by many members of the Wikipedia community. An established editor who makes the decision to edit articles for pay can expect to face a negative reaction once that is disclosed by the editor or by others." Theroadislong (talk) 19:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * it's nothing personal. I don't hate paid editors-- I just don't work with them. On Wikipedia as in life, I tend to avoid situations where two people are working and only one is getting paid. that is pretty much all I have to say about it.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ohhhhh that makes so much sense. I'm truly sorry. I told the lady I cannot take her money and closed the contract. I still hope I can edit some pages for fun, especially if it is about art. I love art!! Thanks again for helping me learn. :) Rleighty855 (talk) 19:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Good. You should feel totally welcome to edit here. However if it is paid editing you may run into some resistance, as you discovered. But it is all allowed if done correctly.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:John Krynitsky
i don't understand why you rejected me

i wasn't done editing it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmiller2029 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

sorry i am just so confused why john krynitsky does not deserve a page

Gmiller2029 (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2020 (UTC)User:Gjmiller2029
 * You had submitted it for review, I reviewed it, the submission has no sources and no indication that the subject is notable, so I rejected it. Theroadislong (talk) 22:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

QSP SUMMIT article
Hi Theroadislong,

Thanks for the feedback, what you pointed out makes perfect sense. I will take your advice into account and improve the article as soon as possible. Best Regards --Maria Pereira5 (talk) 06:44, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Maria Pereira