User talk:Theroadislong/Archive 69

requesting advice about Flajolet Prize webpage
Theroadislong, I would love to (please) request your help. I maintain the webpage for the international Analysis of Algorithms AofA scientific community. (I am a Statistics Professor at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana.) In full humility, this is the first time that I built a draft of a Wikipedia page.

For the last 8 years, the AofA community has been awarding the Flajolet Prize in memory of Philippe Flajolet, who was the scientific leader of this entire research community. He had more than 200 research publications and was well known and loved in this community.

The closest prize to this one is the Knuth Prize, which has a Wikipedia page and lists the recipients. Although the Flajolet Prize is newer (only 8 years old), the recipients are very distinguished in their careers.

The Steering Committee for this scientific community asked me to draft a Wikipedia page about this scientific prize. It is not for my self-promotion. (I am not famous and I am unlikely to ever win this prize!) I am simply documenting the scientific award on behalf of this community.

I sent some emails to the Steering Committee and also on the community's Slack channel, to seek feedback and guidance during the review process.

I realize that I made one rookie mistake when I submitted the page, namely, I accidentally put a "Channel" link for Flajolet and I realize now that he does not have a channel. I apologize for this.

Can you please provide some advice for me? I would welcome your help. Thank you very much.

P.S. My role in the Analysis of Algorithms community is NOT a paid role. The entire community are only scientists. There are no membership fees or paid officers or anything like that. We are all just scientists who work in a very active research community. We want to document the recipients of the Flajolet Prize now that this community has given the award 4 times and is preparing to make the 5th award.

OK, I added the website for the international Analysis of Algorithms community, and I also added a new section that explains that this award is comparable to the Knuth Prize.

In terms of the content given in this Wikipedia article, just FYI, there is more content on this new Wikipedia page than on the Knuth Prize webpage.

The user Possibly (very kindly) removed the large block description (ok with me), and I added (instead) the description about the topics covered by the award. I sent Possibly a thank you note, for helping to edit this page.

Sincerely, Mark Daniel Ward, Ph.D.

MDW333 (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You say " I am simply documenting the scientific award on behalf of this community."

I think that you have a common misunderstanding as to the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for organisations to tell the world about themselves or their awards, like social media or their own website is. This is an encyclopedia, and as an an encyclopedia Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets WP:GNG. You also need to declare your conflict of interest on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Theroadislong (talk) Thanks for asking! I want to clarify this issue. I don't give the award, and I am not on the selection committee, and it does not come from my university. In fact, I am not involved in picking the recipient at all. I'm just a professor who does research in a large community of scientists from many universities. We are not paid and it is not part of any of my official duties. This is just an scientific research area that happens to give a prize to some scientists (from a scientific society; not from me). I'm just starting the documentation about this award, but I am guessing that others who work in this research area will chime in too, making edits once the page is available. Indeed, I sent a broad email in the community, to seek feedback about the page. It's not about me, and I'm not on the organizing committee, and I don't pick the award winner or anything like that. My only involvement is helping to maintain a webpage where some events from this community are organized. I just added a note about this on my user page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MDW333 I want to emphasize that this award is also NOT given by Purdue University. I am just a professor who is interested in this topic. I believe that I am (to use your phrasing) an INDEPENDENT RELIABLE SOURCE. I've never been on the selection committee for this award, and I'm not getting nominated for it, or anything like that. I just help this large research community to document some of the activities in the community, e.g., editorial work and reviews and things like that, and I don't get paid for it.
 * You are clearly NOT an independent or reliable source, if as you say you are helping this large research community to document some of the activities, then you are not independent of it, and to be reliable sources need to be published. Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for asking about this point Theroadislong. I appreciate your question about this. If you look at the places where the award is given, and where the international lecture occurs, you will see that it has been given in Paris, France, and in Krakow, Poland, and in Uppsala, Sweden. This is not a Purdue award. I added a note to state that I am a faculty member, but I do not get paid for any of this work in this research. I'm just a scientist who works in this area. I'm not getting paid for this, and the award does not come from my university, and it is my scientific area of expertise. For comparison (I think) all pages about mathematics and computer science activities will be edited by people who work in those areas. Correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDW333 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

talk thank you for your additional comments this morning about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Flajolet_Lecture_Prize You kindly mentioned that the sources are primary but you said that they are not independent. I am a scientist in this area but I am just documenting a prize that is awarded in this scientific area. I will emphasize again that I am not on the selection committee for the prize, and it has been given since 2014 in this scientific area of research. The references that I added are just documenting the conferences where the prize is awarded.

For comparison, let's take a look at this prize: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth_Prize It is given by the ACM and by the IEEE. All three references given in the article are to ACM sites directly. These are two of the most well known prizes in this area of science. I saw that you added a note on 20 March 2021 that says that the article might not meet the "general notability guideline" for Wikipedia.

How about this potential method for constructively improving Wikipedia? I will try to add some references for both of these prizes this weekend. Both of these prizes are really well known in this area of science, and they are really a "big deal". The recipients are some of the most well known scientists who work in these scientific areas. The people that the awards are named for, Knuth and Flajolet, have each published more than 200 research papers in top-tier journals, and the prizes given in their name are recognizing big achievements.

I'll try to add some references to help further explain. I appreciate your constructive feedback. I'll work on this during the weekend. Thank you! MDW333 (talk) 11:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

e-flux draft
Hi there, many thanks for your helpful comments about the sources list in Draft:e-flux. I've gone through and replaced the links to their page with reliable sources. Would you mind taking another look, please? Much appreciate your time! Thanks, Pizzarat222 (talk) 14:53, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Theroadislong, I hope you are well! I wanted to follow up to check the status of this draft I was editing. Please let me know if you're able to take another look. I think e-flux is a really valuable resource for students (like myself), so I hope the page can get back up soon. Thanks!Pizzarat222 (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Declined submission
Hello,

Thank you for reviewing my latest submission of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Buyer_modalities_framework You declined it based on "blogs are not suitable sources".

I would like to bring the following to your attention: 1. Buyer's psychology is a key field in marketing, albeit lacking articles in Wikipedia, which I am trying to contribute to. It's not quantum physics, there are less academics research in marketing psychology than in hard sciences, so it's important to source from marketing professionals and companies who experience in real conditions. 2. My first submission was declined because "20% (of the source) of which are to the originators of this concept". One out of the 5 original sources was indeed (and I thought that was fair and honest) related to them. 3. One of the key other sources was academic research made by one of the most famous European universities, the KUL. It may not be as famous as Harvard, but it's a high reputation institution. 4. As it seemed too slim, I have added other sources, and many professionals and journalists' articles take the format of blogs these days. Blogs are valid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blogs_as_sources => I am using a diversity of unconnected sources (not just 1 or 2, as I could be accused of being biased, but I am not related to any of them) from reputable marketers and journalists.

I have tried to do a fair, neutral, balanced article, that explores a key area of marketing and consumers; when I mentioned to other marketing experts that there was no article on this topic within Wikipedia, they were surprised. But I am really not sure what I can do more?

Thanks,

John — Preceding unsigned comment added by John JL London (talk • contribs) 15:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Blogs as sources was a failed proposal. Your Draft:Buyer modalities framework contains at least 6 blog references, if it is really a notable topic I would expect there to be better coverage of the term in more main stream sources. Theroadislong (talk) 16:30, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

blatant advertising
Hello, there I hope you are doing great. I just spent like 3 days writing the text and all info's for the company I work and after using like 6 hours of learning how to publish a page I finally did it and it looked very well but after submitting it for a review I got rejected and the reason was "blatant advertising" I mean I don't understand what this means ? Can you please help me with this issue and give me any advice or assist me how to solve this. My username is Artmotionpristina

Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artmotionpristina (talk • contribs) 21:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
 * In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about your company in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Any article should be based on them alone, we have no interest in what they want to say about themselves. Per Paid-contribution disclosure you must disclose on your user page, who is paying you to edit, editors who are or expect to be compensated for their contributions must disclose their employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any paid contributions. Theroadislong (talk) 22:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Recent rejected submission
Hey Theroadislong,

Thank you for your feedback. Would you please provide me further details about the rejection of my submission (please see below)? The references I have used are from reliable sources such as Forbes Italia, WWD and Fashion Network. Is it also an issue to provide references that are not in the English language?

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kindindubai (talk • contribs) 09:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Most content on Forbes.com is written by contributors with minimal editorial oversight, and is generally unreliable, do you have a conflict of interest regarding Kampos by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response. What sources do you recommend to use? I am currently having a conversation to resolve a conflict of interest. Does it impact the submission of the contribution I would like to make? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kindindubai (talk • contribs) 12:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, paid editing MUST be declared. Theroadislong (talk) 12:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Please accept my Noman Abid Lakhni Article
please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owaissaleem22 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Barron Trump submission
Is it not notable that he was discussed all over the internet for the #freebarron2020 movement? What about the millions of tiktok videos, tweets, and memes about him and this movement? What is considered “notability” on Wikipedia? That seems notable enough to me. Thousands of signatures, trending all over the internet, and a permanent place as a part of meme culture and his fathers presidency. Is this not notable? All of this was included in the article. Emysavage (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC) Emysavage (talk) 20:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, How do you tell that IMDB is unreliable? That is the most important and reliable site to understand the cast of a film: The film is composed of that cast, I don't understand why you correct me. If Imdb announces that cast, there is that cast in the film, Trust me, imdb is the most trusted site of all the newspapers combined. --Salvatoreariel (talk) 13:02, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:IMDB the content on IMDb is user-generated, and the site is considered unreliable by a majority of editors. Theroadislong (talk) 13:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Green Bay Packers vs. New York Giants
Hello Theroadislong,

Please check my new wording and tell me if it is good. Can I also ask you if enough of my sources are reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelPackBrewGuy (talk • contribs) 16:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The wording is much better thank you, I know nothing about American football though, so will leave it to another reviewer to decide. Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Theroadislong
Hi Theroadislong, nice to meet you. I created an article about Salvatore Ruocco as an actor. You canceled it. It is my first article and I would like to finish it successfully. I left the sources on the draft of the article, can you check if they are okay with you? I hope I can successfully finish my first article. I met this actor watching Abel Ferrara Napoli Napoli Napoli and many other films. I think you deserve to have an article on wikipedi. I thank you in advance. --Salvatoreariel (talk) 17:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It was deleted after a discussion here Articles for deletion/Salvatore Ruocco you have created it again here Draft:Salvatore Ruocco with very poor sources and it was rejected, it will not be considered again unless you provide multiple, significant in depth coverage in reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

This is not an edit war
Hello,

I do not understand your message. I am a consumer marketing and advertising expert, engaged both in the academic and practical aspects of marketing. I have decided to bring this expertise to Wikipedia, as I found it very light on the marketing and advertising front. My contributions, as falt, boring, factuals, and neutral as possible, are obviously reviewed by people who are not marketing and advertising experts. My contribution, about a concept that has been used by marketers, have been judged "promotional": promotional for whom? I quote the creators of the concept: it's promotional. Great; let's not quote Einstein in the theory of relativity, then. I quote multiple different and unrelated journos and professional sources: it's promotional. I source from one leading European university: it's promotional. What can I say... — Preceding unsigned comment added by John JL London (talk • contribs) 21:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Comment: This is the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we need so many Chinese translations of names? Theroadislong (talk) 18:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Not sure of protocol here, ok to remove your AFC comment on Draft:Ma Hsin-yeh now? I'm still in the process of editing for publication, probably a week or so before ready to resubmit. Gaoyoude (talk) 01:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments are kept in place until the article is accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 07:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Karl Lillrud
Hello Theroadislong, You've suggested my page for deletion. Would you please guide me on how to publish my article, as I'm already late for the due date of delivery. Secondly, My client meets the criteria of an article as an author with six books and honored world-wide as an E-Commerce Expert. Or guide me on how long will take to get out of protected recreation due to rapid attempts Since I attempted in the sandbox and not in the creation wizard. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by TahiraY.Awan (talk • contribs) 07:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft title Draft:Karl Lillrud has been protected, you will not be able to create it in any form without admin assistance. Your client does not meet the necessary criteria at WP:GNG and you have not made the required paid editor disclosure. Theroadislong (talk) 07:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

your message
Hi there, I got a message from you saying "Please do not remove speedy deletion notices from pages you have created yourself, as you did with Dundee Public Art Programme". However I did not create this page myself, it was created by someone else. Apologies if I've misunderstood the guidelines - the notice says "If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice", which was what I did. It implies that only if I created the page should I click the Contest button. Have I done something wrong? I notice you've removed the other edits I made to the page. Am I allowed to reinstate them without removing the notice or not? Apologies - I'm only an occasional wiki user so I realise I may have misinterpreted the guidelines. Mhjarron (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You have a conflict of interest and should NOT be editing any of the pages connected with that. Your intern has been blocked for promotional edits and sock puppetry too. Theroadislong (talk) 17:18, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Answer
Hi 'Theroadislong' Well, you are right but that is not the case with that user. They are trying to cover their real intentions with lies. So how can I address to them? I asked them nicely at the beginning to provide an explanation on why did they revert all of my edits and their answer is based on lies. What am I supposed to do? To accept their lies and their complete revert? RgardsLegione-Romana (talk) 14:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * His edits have been explained, they did NOT completely revert your edits as you suggest, and you continue to attack them, please comment on content not users. Theroadislong (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

How to view my draft
Hi there,

I created a draft article a while back about this company called Vuulr and I wanted to see how it would fare in case it might get banned or whatnot. However, I can't seem to find any trace of the article and I'm not sure how long it might, or if there's anything even being done with regards to approving the draft so I have no idea where to go from here. Is there anything I can do?

Willistzx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willistzx (talk • contribs) 01:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You can find it here User:Willistzx/sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 07:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ha Li Fa
Hi, Thank you so much for your hard work on reviewing the wikipedia, I am very new to this which hope can feature the ASEAN companies or corporation which didn't cover much by Wikipedia, and this is one first try on this, which i think still far away to learn off. I am not paid by anyone for this article, but rather because I am close to one of my friend who work from there and get to have a video interview on their overall business, to have better understanding on my writing. Thank you so much and looking forward your guidance along the way when I am trying. Randall River (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

article Rejection
Hello, why have you rejected my well written and informative article, pls tell me
 * Draft:Delphnews Media was rejected because it gave no indication whatsoever of being a notable topic. Theroadislong (talk) 14:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Regarding my recent article on Prime Minister Special Schoalrship scheme
Good Evening Sir, I have written everything in my own words, please let me know which thing is creating copyright infringement now. There is no article on this topic yet and it's a very great scholarship for Jammu and Kashmir students by the central government. Please help me with this sir as I am new to Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipmsss (talk • contribs) 17:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It was taggged for deletion as a copyright violation of this  but I see that actually is not all copied from there, it would still have been declined however because it is just an advert and does not cite independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Some help with that user
Hello Theroadislong, I guess you remember Legione-Romana. This user is doing an impressive amount of disruptive edits, it is difficult to keep track of all the little edits that he is doing, but most are harmful. The user is removing everything he does not agree with (especially if it links the Aromanians with Romania in any kind) even if they are sourced statements. Do you know what I can do to deal with this user? Is a report valid on this case? Super  Ψ   Dro  12:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

With reference to my article on our scholarship PMSSS( Prime Minister's Special Scholarship Scheme). Sir i have now again requested to change the username hope it will help now to understand me
With reference to the comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Theroadislong#I_am_a_student_Nikhil_Kotwal_and_is_not_a_paid_employer._This_is_a_government_scholarship_and_i_am_studying_under_this_scholarship._I_have_also_requested_to_change_my_username

With reference to your reply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wikipmsss Sir I have again requested to change my username to my full name, I have included my middle name also. Hope this will not cause any misjudge as I have already explained that I was trying to spread the information about this scholarship and not an advert. Please help me with publishing the article through your source.

I will be very thankful to you Nikhil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipmsss (talk • contribs) 13:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you...however "trying to spread the information about this scholarship" is actually advertising. On Wikipedia we only report on what independent reliable sources say about a subject. Theroadislong (talk) 14:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

My edits & Super Dromaeosaurus
As for your notice left on my talk page regarding my edits, I have provided explanations about the sources that have been removed as outdated or irrelevant to the subject. By not specifying the problematic edits but reverting all of them and bringing back the preexisting version, which by the way in its vast majority constitutes unsourced information, I think that the respective pages can not be improved. A second issue. Since we are here and I see that the user Super Dromaeosaurus is asking you for some help in order to deal with me, I take the opportunity to ask you for some help and deal with them too. Yesterday you penalised me for commenting on the user and not on the content. The respective user who is an experienced one immediately after the recent incident that happened between me and him has accused me of having issues with Romania. Therefore, I report him for a personal attack on me. Also, they are sustaining that I have been doing disruptive editing. That is false. The vast majority of my edits are additional to the existing ones, that can be checked in the history of the pages, mainly I have added information not removed. the respective user is relating my edits to anti-Romanian activity simply because they do not want the respective sources to be removed. They do not comment on my explanations but just simply revert my edits. Since the policy of Wikipedia states that the edits should be based on valid and relevant sources, could you clarify why my edits are considered disruptive and theirs not as such. They are doing the same. I would like to report them for the same issue. Last but not least, could you please have a look at my and their talk page because I would like to report them for abusive behaviour too for penalising me for disruptive editing. RegardsLegione-Romana (talk) 14:24, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:BRD you were bold, you were reverted a number of times, so now it is time to discuss the issues on the article talk page rather than attack other users and edit war for your preferred version. Theroadislong (talk) 14:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Orgill
Hi there! I personally have a COI on this topic, but I have been advising the editor who submitted Draft:Orgill on how to better meet Wikipedia's notability criteria and improve sourcing. Since you originally reviewed this draft almost a year now, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at the new, fully-rewritten version he has submitted today. I also advised the editor how to properly disclose his COI on his user page. I think the article is more more neutral in tone now, with the main assertions of notability right at the top, and all the assertions cited to independent secondary sources instead of press releases. I'd really appreciate if you took a look! Dominic·t 18:27, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Advice needed on your comment
Hi, I read quite a lot of stuff on Wikipedia and tried to follow the same pattern. Also, this draft might look like an essay, I have incorporated lots of references which to me means there is proof or science behind what I am including in the draft. I have tried to revise the draft a few times and I have followed the rules of Wikipedia right from choosing a topic to how it has to be written. So, I would like to know how does Wikipedia distinguishes between an essay and a scientific document (containing information about current research) with references? This would help me to understand how I am supposed to extensively re-write this draft.

Secondly, I was suggested to merge my earlier draft with an already existing wiki page "Synthetic lethelity". I want to keep my page " Myc associated synthetic lethality" exclusive to include information just about synthetic lethality associated with MYC. In the future, I want to include more information and details related to MYC and not speak about synthetic lethality in general. My goal in making this page is that I want to give researchers working on MYC synthetic lethality very exclusive information about it at one place. So, I would request to consider this page seperately. Keeping this in mind can you give me some suggestions as to how I can modify my current draft to be accepted.

Thanks, Vidhula — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidhula A (talk • contribs) 05:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Theroadislong
So users who revert are by definition right and those who edit are wrong?! Very professional answer. Anyway, I am waiting for your answer on the issue of personal attack and on that of penalising me, both done by the respective user. Does he have the right to do so? RegardsLegione-Romana (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Legione-Romana
Which one is unsourced?Legione-Romana (talk) 20:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This one . Theroadislong (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The respective definition is wrong. They are recognised as Ethnic minority group. That is the official and juridical terminology. Look at the second one in Albania. that is the right termonology. Is the same status. I know very well the subject. Ethnic is the official term that separates the ethnicLegione-Romana (talk) 21:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC) minority from the Religious and Linguistic minority. There are three categories. Aromanians have had the official status of Linguistic minority long time before having the Ethnic one in both countries.Legione-Romana (talk) 21:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Annalie Forbes
I noticed that this draft you rejected is already has a redirect to one article in Wikipedia Binibining Pilipinas 2012.
 * That's entirely possible. Theroadislong (talk) 21:13, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

If the person is already has mentioned in Wikipedia and not as passing then at least we should consider him a notable.Humble84 (talk).
 * I'm sorry I don't follow your logic and I have no recollection of rejecting a draft about Annalie Forbes? Theroadislong (talk) 21:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello
I vaguely remember someone encouraging you to run for RFA & you politely declined, I don’t remember all the details but I think your reason was editing here somehow interfered with your real life. Tbh, I think editing here is somehow interfering with my real life also seeing as I have dedicated the last two years to focusing strictly on editing here, is there any advice you may have for me? Celestina007 (talk) 01:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I did feel before Christmas that Wikipedia was taking over my life, I have managed to control it by deleting my watchlist which was over 97,000 articles long, now when I wake up in the morning I don't spend the first two hours of the day trawling through it! Theroadislong (talk) 12:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * if I might butt in here, deleting or trimming the watchlist is very helpful. A big watchlist turns editors into workers, more or less. A tiny watchlist (mine is down to less than a couple hundred) means you have the time to enjoy editing.--- Possibly (talk) 19:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed mine is now down to around two hundred and mostly I add others only for one month and feel much happier editing here now. Theroadislong (talk) 19:09, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought mine was excessive at 75,289 pages but you had me beat! I need to uncheck the box that adds every page you edit to your Watchlist. Also, any pages you edit that are deleted should be automatically removed from ones Watchlist but I suppose I need to propose that at the Village Pump. Liz Read! Talk! 20:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually I notice that my watchlist has already crept up to 2,674 must keep it down! Theroadislong (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks, I probably should do just that, I’ve become to occupied with this collaborative project (nabbing UPE & whatnot) and of recent I can tell it’s beginning to interfere with my real life(which is almost non existent). At work, I’m senior management staff & at this level, I mostly supervise and not actually work per se so I have leeway to edit whilst at my work place, it isn’t affecting my productivity at work or anything like that but it is as though gradually I spend an inordinate amount of time here. Ive commenced the process of removing several articles from my watchlist. Thank you all for your input, thanks , and of course a big thank you to my AFC senior colleague T.R.I.L. Celestina007 (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sir my username is changed now, hope this will not make any confusion as my objective was to spread the awareness about the scholarship under which i am studying and doing any advert
With reference to my article on Prime Minister Special Scholarship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Prime_Minister%27s_Special_Scholarship_Scheme There was confusion with my previous username as I was wrongly judged with my article as an advert. I am not a paid employer, I am a student who is studying under this scholarship only I am new to Wikipedia Please help me in publishing my article and spread awareness through your medium. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikhil Singh Kotwal (talk • contribs) 16:40, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a venue for spreading awareness of your organisation, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

How will an important thing will become noticable unless it will not reach to the target audience.
with reference to your review on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Prime_Minister%27s_Special_Scholarship_Scheme If Wikipedia will not help to reach the information of such an important scholarship by government of India then who will help sir. I am not doing an advert for government, neither i am a government employer nor government will give me anything for this article. I am the beneficiary of this scholarship i have got many opportunities from this scholarship, its my duty to spread the awareness.

Hope you will understand sir, Please check the article once — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikhil Singh Kotwal (talk • contribs) 18:56, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * @Nikhil Singh Kotwal May I suggest you use social media?  Fiddle   Faddle  19:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has no interest in what you want to say about your scholarship scheme, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. Wikipedia is not the place to spread awareness about anything I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Ha Li Fa
Hi, over the weekend i have try to come out a more balance way of writing, please kindly help to check and review accordingly. Still way too much thing to learn on this. Hope you don't mind to teach. Best Regards. RandallRiver (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randall River (talk • contribs) 02:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Firstly you need to properly declare your conflict of interest. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes information that appears in independent reliable sources with significant coverage showing how a company meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Your draft does not do this. Theroadislong (talk) 06:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Eric Mickeler
Hello, what do you mean they contribute nothing to any notability? Can you please explain? I have plenty of articles that mention Mr. Mickeler's expertise in many events and in places he has advised with (Sotheby's, Christie's, etc..) I used the website www.thetisdinosaurs.com because it is the official website of the company that he currently advises within. I do not understand...Can you please explain why..? Because there is plenty of referencing mentioning him. And I have seen some other articles on Wikipedia that don't have that many references and are active articles. Thank you.
 * He works with that company so the source is not independent to establish notability you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about him in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Theroadislong (talk) 09:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Miloslav Sádlo
Hello, thanks for your message, but I do not what you mean when you say "please edit for neutral tone" - what for neutral tone? Khamlia Khamlia (talk) 11:43, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Terms like "top violist" "a good organizer and engaged in various functions" is not neutral tone. Theroadislong (talk) 12:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Request on 14:18:50, 5 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Rappidone
In respect of your recent review of Draft:Shab, you commented that YouTube “is rarely a reliable source for establishing notability” — a comment with which I would generally agree. However, the citations of YouTube were offered in support of the statements that this artist’s videos have registered over two million views: and I am unsure as to what source could be more credible or accurate than the playcounters on the respective YouTube webpages proffered. I understand that it may be difficult for new artists to achieve the notability requirements for approval of a Wikipedia listing. However, this new artist —- Shab —- has as of this week charted a second #2 hit on the MusicWeek singles charts (which is the analog to the Billboard music charts in the United States) with her two debut singles, an achievement sufficiently rare that industry observers struggle to identify the last occasion when an artist achieved Top Ten status with two initial singles. Moreover, roughly half of the the External Links associated with this submission that serve to document this artist’s biography are themselves news or music industry sources that are acknowledged by Wikipedia. Indeed, are we to suppose from this rejection that the Dallas Morning News, which as a newspaper has one of the 20 largest paid circulation in the United States, is insufficiently credible for notability purposes? in any case, I would LOVE to have clearer direction as to the changes that you deem necessary to have this article published. Rappidone (talk) 14:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * YouTube views no matter how many, do not contribute towards notability. Your draft is littered with external links which we don't use, you might be able to convert some to references however. See WP:SINGER for the criteria they need to pass. Theroadislong (talk) 14:31, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Submission declined
Hi, I published an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jisbar) a few months ago but it was declined. I made the modifications 2 months ago but my article isn't published yet. Can someone tells me when my article would be published or what can I do to publish it ? Thanks a lot.
 * Still not clear how they pass WP:NARTIST and the article needs to be re-written without the present tense. Theroadislong (talk) 08:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Pls Help for Page Draft:Sage Suede
Hi, I understand there are a lot of links, but other reviewers have not been kind at all in regards to the notoriety of this musician's page. Having multiple references doesn't make it less accurate, that just supports the facts. I removed the YouTube links so hopefully that helps, but the blog from The Gallery ATX is still notable because it is an art gallery and I have never heard of any musician ever having an art gallery exhibition for 3D music videos. That is a historic event.
 * The Draft:Sage Suede was rejected so will not considered further unless you can show that they pass WP:NMUSICIAN, the blog is a primary source so of no value at all for establishing notability, likewise press releases. Pick out the four best sources and post them on the draft talk page and I'll have a look. Theroadislong (talk) 16:59, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

--- Hi, I have many sources and removed that Sage Suede blog a few before receiving your feedback. Here are some of the best sources. There are a lot so I don't know where to begin.

I was thinking maybe it would be better to remove all the extra sources and just input a few. Could I do an appendix with the other links, in case other users want to extrapolate more details? I'm not sure how to do anything because I am new. It has been extremely frustrating working on this article for the past 2 days with constant rejection.

I believe that the magazine publication to more than 1.9 million at the largest gay publication in Asia (DNA Australia) is proof enough. This artist is from a small city of less than 1 million people, yet I have linked more than 7 UK publications and these other publications around the world. It seems nonsensical to deny that this artist has a presence when they have exceeded the reach of the population of their home town and are the most establish independent hip hop/edm musicians in their city.

- Andrews, Marc (1 December 2020). "DNA Feature of Sage Suede". DNA Magazine. Australia: DNA. - Honk Magazine (Houston) https://honkmagazine.com/premiere-texas-artist-sage-suede-releases-highly-anticipated-debut-album-titled-thicc-juicy-bass-and-visuals-for-featured-single-slappin-bass-harder/ - Out Front Magazine (Colorado) https://www.outfrontmagazine.com/a-chat-with-up-and-coming-musician-sage-suede/ss-9-07-20-508-1-1024x817/ - Big Celebrity Buzz (?) https://bigcelebritybuzz.com/2020/09/23/the-gallery-presents-sage-suede-thelonious-poon-live-on-twitch-9-25-20-8-pm-cst/ - Jimmy Stars World (Los Angeles/New York) https://www.jimmystarsworld.com/music/sage-suede-releases-highly-anticipated-new-album-thicc-juicy-bass-now-available-worldwide/ - Dance Hits UK https://dancehits.co.uk/album-of-the-week-thicc-juicy-bass-by-sage-suede/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilCrusie2 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't see any relevant content at outfrontmagazine.com, and two of the others are the same content, a press release. The fact that 1.9 million people read a magazine has no bearing on the artist's notability Theroadislong (talk) 07:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * and now because the content was blatantly promotional and not neutral tone it has been speedy deleted as unambiguous advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 09:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Submission declined
Thank you. Jisbar passed artist since he meets the following criteria : The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. on the page you sent me (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals). He did significant exhibitions, as in the Museum of History and Immigration (with the former president of France), collaborations with BMW, Armani... and also did the project First painting in Space (Tribute for Léonard da Vinci). Furthermore, there also exists an article about him on the French Wiki, (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jisbar), so he is recognized as an artist (https://jisbar.jimdofree.com/first-painting-in-space/).

For the passive tense, I did it.

Hope you will get me a chance to publish it.Thank you.
 * I don't quite see how they pass, WP:NARTIST, however somebody else will no doubt review it soon I expect, having an article on French Wikipedia is irrelevant as the guidelines are much stricter on English Wikipedia. The promotional tone could be removed ie. "luxurious shoe maker", "well known for", " famous Youtubeur Norman", "luxury shoe manufacturer", "which quickly becomes iconic" etc.etc. Theroadislong (talk) 10:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, this is in reference to my article - 'Vilokana - CoVid Search Engine'. For my edits, I am not getting paid anything directly or indirectly.

UXMedia (talk) 13:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Greetings,

Hope that you are well.

Can you please check the Martin Faulks article, I have 20 references there now and have removed Daily Mail, IMDB and the Sun as you have noted in the original submission.

This would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

I'm new user in Wikipedia enrolled in the course of Wikipedia in African librarian, I just tried to Improve Wikipedia articles : I got wrong process by mistake in my Sandboxes by mistake I moved my sandbox article in to help talk for more editing (but the article deleted I got the wrong process in editing my user name : Abdulla2021) I don't know if this against Wikipedia policy or not, please I need your help what I should to do to move my sandbox to the right place. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdulla2021 (talk • contribs) 07:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ambarish Bhattacharya
Hi,, I have written the article entirely based on WP:NPOV but why it is declined? I have already taken help from subject experts and admins. See User_talk:Titodutta. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 10:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Also can you highlight the MOS:PUFFERY terms if any added, so that I can remove or replace them. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 10:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Terms like “earned his name and fame” “garnered huge popularity” “already worked with eminent directors” “noteworthy releases” “his character Goja became a household name” are not neutral tone, we just need the dry facts. Theroadislong (talk) 10:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the issues now. Please help to review and move from draft. Thank you. Run n Fly (talk) 10:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Miloslav Sàdlo
Hi, I am author of article Miloslav Sàdlo and I turn me to you and wonder what you meant when you wrote to me "please edit for neutral tone" - I do not understand what means with neutral tone. In my opinion it is written in neutral tone. Or? Thanks in advance for explanation. Regards Khamlia Khamlia (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry, now I found your reply to my question, so I know now that you mean. OK, I will change it. I didn't know that it was not allowed, are a new contributor and there are so many thinks I not understand properly so ... Best regards Khamlia Khamlia (talk) 16:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft Re-Review / Should I Hang Tight?
HI, I hope all is well. Back in Jan/Feb, you and another editor offered advice for my draft about the company Positive Grid. I modified my COI statement, tweaked the copy to be more neutral, etc. and you had said I was OK to re-submit. I now see the other editor no longer reviews pages, so I'm not sure if I should simply hang tight until you're able to review it again, or if there's some other protocol you prefer I follow if your plate is overflowing. Please advise. Happy to switch gears or sit tight as appropriate. Thank you! Guitarfan21 (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)Guitarfan21
 * If I was to review it again I would still decline as blatant advertising. I will leave it for another reviewer to have a look. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Decline of Dafnonas
Hi, perhaps you made a mistake by declining this draft Draft:Dafnonas - the author @Heylol122 wrote on my talk page that there are two villages with this name in Greece. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that,I have changed the title and accepted the draft. Theroadislong (talk) 18:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

ERO Dominique Philbert graffiti artist
Thanks Thereoadislong, I have worked on that article several weeks and I'm about to give up. I think I will not be able to follow all the templates you gently sent me. Do you think that there could be an art lover, Wikipedia volunteer, that could help me, when finding the subject of my article enough relevant, and the information and references that I found interesting, for people knowledge of the Graffiti Art history and one of its protagonists? When you say that there is a lot work to do, can you please give me some ideas on what is not acceptable? thanks a lot MarinoTetide (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

about this brand
Hi Theroadislong,

I write you regarding Pipper Standard. I wanted to know why is this brand contrary to Wikipedia's purpose?

Thank you in advance

Marcosinsitus
 * I guess you are probably referring to Draft:Pipper Standard which has zero sources and no indication of passing WP:NCORP what is your relationship to the company and User:Cmwunderlich I wonder? Theroadislong (talk) 10:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

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Bremley Lyngdoh page AFC submission
Hi Theroadislong, I noticed that you reviewed my submitted page on Bremley Lyngdoh and denied it due to lack of significant coverage. I would like to draw your attention to the talk page of the draft where I mentioned additional references to establish the notability of the subject. I'm mentioning them here again: Joomag (Magazine), ChangeMakers (Magazine), United Nations, AlterNet, Grin News, eclectic NorthEast. Here are some recent coverages that discuss his work: East Mojo, |Shillong Times. Lyngdoh is an environmental economist and has been working towards reforestation projects around the globe alongside the likes of Arne Fjørtoft. I request you to kindly go through the page once again and then make your decision. Mr RD  03:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Sources and Trimming
I added the citations and trimmed the list. Thank you. Do I have to do something to remove the banner requesting citations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdlsee (talk • contribs) 18:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit. now what?
hi Theroadislong, I appreciate the helpful edit you made to Draft:Jan Rindfleisch. Kindly advise me as to next steps. I am a newish user and do not want to assume or work incorrectly. thank you. p.s. itisalsowinding — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxmarsh2021 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft Draft:Jan Rindfleisch is written in a rather promotional tone eg. "She supported many significant Bay Area artists", " laid the groundwork for an engaged and inclusive museum environment by continuously tapping the diverse local voices of Silicon Valley", "engaged in community activism by rethinking the way gallery and museum systems work", "Beyond the opportunities provided via the Euphrat Museum, Rindfleisch continues to engage in community building ", none of this is neutral tone. A number of the awards are unreferenced and some are not notable (no article). Theroadislong (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

farid valizadeh
Hello Thanks for your guidance If you can help shape the article ThankAvad4112 (talk) 11:25, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * They do not appear to pass WP:NACTOR so there is nothing I can do, they have not appeared in any notable films? (ie. films with Wikipedia articles about them.) Theroadislong (talk) 11:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

farid valizadeh
Art logo removed

ThankAvad4112 (talk) 11:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Maria Pry - review
Hello, I just read your message. Thank you for the feedback. You mentioned that the issue is the references. Is it a problem that the references are in Spanish? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulianaDaguano (talk • contribs) 18:05, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No, Spanish references are fine. Theroadislong (talk) 18:18, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Austen (musician)
Hey Admin,

I am not an expert, but her songs have been really hit in the Australia. She has done a national tour and a concert for commonwealths too. Her songs have been on #Top Charts as well. She has a few awards too. Is this not enough??? What do you think???

Thank you! Soundsfromwater (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Priority Tire
Hi Theroadislong

Can you please let me know why the page I have created was rejected? Priority Tire is an existing tire retailer on the East coast and I wished to create a page for it like the one Tire Rack has. Can you please help?

Thanks
 * Companies need to do far more than merely exist to warrant an article, they need to be notable and discussed in significant depth, in reliable sources, please also disclose any conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I've blocked the user above as an obvious sock of blocked account Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  05:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear colleague: I have revised the page for the Neurosurgical Atlas as you advised. I appreciate your re-review and acceptance when possible. Thank you for your comments

User:Sparklycryingbiscuit/sandbox
in my sandbox, i am making an article about a short movie. I have cited 2 cites for verification. One is IMDb and other is KZfaq.com. This short movie is also listed on IMDb top rated short indian films on 10th rank with an IMDb rating of 10. I think that because this movie is listed on IMDb top rated indian short films list, then it is a reliable source as this list is not user generated and neither IMDb ratings are user generated. Moreover i am declaring that i am not in anyway related to that movie.
 * IMDb is never a reliable source for anything on Wikipedia because it is user generated, KZfaq.com is a primary source so of no use for establishing any notability. Theroadislong (talk) 08:28, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

but that movie is listed on IMDb top rated indian short films with a rating of 10 and IMDb ratings and lists are not user generated.
 * I'm afraid that being listed anywhere on IMDb is irrelevant, there is zero indication that the film passes the criteria at Notability (films). Theroadislong (talk) 16:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Article, John Belham-Payne
Hi, Theroadislong. Thank you for your guidance on creating the Wikipedia page for John Belham-Payne. I think I understand how it should work now. I've done some substantial alterations.Can you look and see if its now suitable for submission please? Thanks Joolspayne (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Page submission
Hi, you had declined the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:MediaKind_Inc. Just wondering how page like this have been approved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synamedia It has got the same type of citations

Regards --Stevethomas4 (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * See other crap articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 08:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Understood. Are there any suggestions on what I should add to make it notable. have added patents now. --Stevethomas4 (talk) 08:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Patents confer zero notability and have you read WP:SOLUTIONS yet? re:"its solutions include Content Contribution and Distribution, Consumer Delivery and Consumer Experience." this is just promotional marketing. Theroadislong (talk) 09:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

== Production DesignSticks,stones,bones (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC) ==

We were in discussions last year about Production Designers having a page on Wikipedia. You insisted we shouldn't be given one whilst DOP, Editor etc are. Can you then explain to me then why, in this years Oscar nominations, 3 out of the 5 Production Designers have a link to their own page on Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Graham_Burt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Crowley

Whilst Peter Francis and Mark Ricker do not.

Sticks,stones,bones (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly, see other poor quality articles exist for that argument. Wikipedia summarises what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person, if you have the sources then Wikipedia can have an article about them. Theroadislong (talk) 09:28, 21 April 2021 (UTC)