User talk:Theroadislong/Archive 73

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pickupp
Can u advise us on how to get the page published?
 * No I cannot, you are being paid, whilst I am a volunteer, try some research into company notability. Theroadislong (talk) 09:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Naosaku Takahashi
Hi Theroadislong,

Unfortunatory, limited to Japanese sources. I added three independent sources. Among them, one is from Japanese Wikipedia. I know it's not usually understood "unliliable," but the articles note is remarkable to show Takahashi's notablity in Japanese social work. Therefore I forced to put it as an independent source. Thank you very much for your review.

Best regards, IyataYada
 * Japanese sources are fine, but Wikipedia can absolutely NOT be used as a source. Theroadislong (talk) 16:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Knowable Magazine
It seems like we have reviewed at the same time. Would you like me to revert the move? – robertsky (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No of course not! We are all working to the same goal. Cheers. I just felt it had some rather promotional content but nothing that can't be sorted. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:KOKOKO!
Hello Theroadislong, I've made some changes to my draft and I would like to ask if it now falls under NBAND. I'd say non-trivial articles on the subject of the article from NPR, Billboard, Radio France Internationale, and Time Magazine count to pass NBAND. Thank you, Roniius  talk to me 17:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

AfC Drive
 Hello Theroadislong:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a  month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Awards will be given out for all reviewers participating in the drive in the form of barnstars at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help! Curbon7 (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just sending this cause I noticed you weren't signed up on the drive page. Curbon7 (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for that, I guess the hundred or so I did in the last few days don't count! Theroadislong (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * "Reviews only count after you sign up using the button above. Exception: because the drive pages were created late, if you sign up in the first week of the drive, all of your reviews since 8:00 pm, 30 June 2021, last Wednesday (6 days ago) (UTC−4) will count." From the drive page.
 * I think this means the reviews you've done so far count. Curbon7 (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this means the reviews you've done so far count. Curbon7 (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

RD Sharma is best seller in India
Hi,

RD Sharma is best seller in mathematics textbook category in India since last twenty years. He is most popular name and have been covered by leading news outlets. There are numerous whole article on him so we can not say it is just a passing mention. In case of your doubt you can google.

Regards, Manish — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mannitish (talk • contribs) 17:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Jacqueline Bishop (artist) page
Thank you for approving the article.

There are actually TWO Jacqueline Bishops now on Wiki: both are artists, while one is an artist and a writer. I'm wondering if both could be just

"Jacqueline Bishop" (NO "artist" after the name)

and that there could be a DISAMBIGUITY page so the user can select which one they want.

I'm also working on a couple of DRAFT entries; I have one up for approval--another New Orleans person. Can you take a look: Draft:HowardPhilipsSmith. Also working on Draft:Henri Schindler but not ready yet for review. Need to clean up some others. I was sick and could not get to them.

Nilbogg (talk) 17:34, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive
 Hello :

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The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is currently a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

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Draft:Kamran M. Mirza
I understand how busy you must be. Following up on this page - hoping for a successful approval now. Fascin21 (talk) 02:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Question
Could you explain to me how Draft:The Titan Spectator is not notable? I have provided 5 secondary, significant, independent and reliable sources. These articles are not trivial mentions. I think this coverage meets the guidelines of WP:ORGDEPTH. I guess i'm just curious what more editors here expect to meet this? Alecpalm (talk) 22:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the draft as a whole is written by you so is not independent, Instagram is not a reliable source at all, neither are press releases we need more than merely local coverage and as you have a clear conflict of interest your draft will be very closely scrutinised. Theroadislong (talk) 07:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems that you moved it to main space here The Titan Spectator bypassing the afc process so it has now been nominated for deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 08:02, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 20:18:27, 7 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Chin3901
Chin3901 (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

IMDb is the only secondary source available for this show, if it isn't reliable, I will have to delete the article permanently.
 * Ok.I'm afraid that IMDb is never considered reliable here. Theroadislong (talk) 20:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Why? Chin3901 (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Because it is user generated see here . Theroadislong (talk) 08:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Are you reviewing my Dr. Elizabeth "Betty" Hayes article?
I see that you've at least opened my article, which I stupidly titled "Dr. Ellizabeth 'Betty' Hayes" (two Ls in Elizabeth) as I submitted it to Articles for Creation. Some questions:

a) Do you plan to review it soon? I was alarmed after I pressed the submit button and saw that wait times are as much as four months. Also, I just noticed that when my first article was approved four years ago, Wiki wrote me indicating that I don't have to submit further articles to Articles for Creation. Since you've probably got lots on your plate already—I see the tremendous number of articles you've reviewed—would you consider sending it back to me and telling me how to post it without review? Of course, I'd love to have your feedback, but if it's not necessary, I'm wasting your valuable time.

b) Also I need to know how to fix the name of the page, which I suppose should be just Dr. Elizabeth Hayes (one l, no "Betty") to match my text. I'd appreciate your thoughts on that unless you think I should post my question on the help page.

c) I have a photo, which I believe is now free. (It's a high-res scan from a 75-year-old magazine named Salute, which changed hands decades ago. The current publisher of Salute said his company does not hold the copyright for anything published in a 1946 issue.) I need to make my case that it's copyright-free. Should I ask the help people about this?

Busypencil (talk) 17:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Howard Philips Smith
I deleted the external links from the main text on the Draft:Howard Philips Smith page. This makes perfect sense to me; not sure why I plugged those in!!! Let me know what else might need correcting, and I thank you for your patience.

Nilbogg (talk) 23:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Help in improving Abdul Hakeem Azhari
Dear, i have improved this Draft:Abdul_Hakeem_Azhari and request you to edit/remove/trim it to make it fit for the main space. If it is fine in present form please approve it.ScholarM (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Oghalé Alex Ogbaudu
Hey! How are you doing? I just wanted to drop a message to get a few insights in regards to the draft on Oghalé. I came across the draft while editing other articles this morning. I saw that Oghalé had specified the conflict of interest so I decided to take a look. I was able to verify the sources and that they were credible. The National Portrait Gallery is a prestigious honour here in the UK. I checked for all the things that were listed as potential issues and addressed them. One of the most recent comments for the draft being declined mentioned that two of the sources were written by Oghalé himself. But I opened those sources and one of the states that it is written by the Editorial Director of the magazine Stephanie Wade. The other is directly from the National Portrait Gallery website and was written by Exhibition Director, Andy Horn. The tone of the writing in the draft is consistent with not only the other articles that are published here on Wikipedia, but also matches the tone of what is written in the articles. Here is an example (Nadine Ijewere). That article which is published in a similar fashion has even fewer sources.

I do not mean to come off as rude and I hope I have not done so priorly. I just wanted to ask you some of these questions and see if I could get your insight and perhaps re-review of the draft.

Thank you for your time!
 * Tone is still unacceptable and he still fails WP:NARTIST, also see other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 11:31, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Norton page
Hi — I was just looking at the Draft:Www.norton.com/setup in AfC, trying to figure out whether I need to reject it first or if I can request speedy without doing so. Then I saw that you rejected it already. Can I ask, is that enough to get it deleted, or does it need to go through some sort of deletion process also? (Sorry if this is silly noob question.) Thanks, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * PS: Oh okay, I guess that answers my question. :) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it could have been tagged for speedy first, it was such blatant advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 15:45, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Neeru Malik
hey, thank you Theroadislong for reviewing the article. Actually, I myself didn't find much about her. The article was created by some other user in a very wrong manner and i just improved the artile in order to help him because I cannot decline the article myself. Divineplus (talk) 16:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC).

About: Draft:Ali mansour (Actor)
hello,

Why you only look to YouTube, IMDb and Google search! There are other 8 reliable sources have article in en.wikipedia.--197.48.65.162 (talk) 16:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There are also many press releases which are not reliable sources. It would help if you removed the unreliable sources, so we can see the wood for the trees. Theroadislong (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Theroadislong: Done, I have remove the unreliable sources. Thank you. -197.48.65.162 (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll leave it for another reviewer to take a look. Theroadislong (talk) 17:10, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Theroadislong:I hope you can help and not leave it :( -197.48.65.162 (talk) 17:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Creation of "Mindsponge"
Hi Theroadislong,

I just resubmitted the entry "Mindsponge", and it was declined because of "unsourced content". Could you please specify which content is "unsourced"? I think there might be some misunderstanding.

Thank you! Han — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nmhhg8 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The extremely large section titled "Main components" has zero sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment! Actually, the content in the section titled "Main components" was retrieved from the 4th reference, which I cited in the picture's caption. I noticed that when I added the reference which has already existed, the draft still displays the reference as a new one. Therefore, I did not add any new references. I'm not used to Wikipedia editing. Could you please guide me on how to improve the paper?

Thank you!

Haessle Draft Discussion
Hello!

Thanks for taking the time to look at the draft and reviewing it. I was just curious as to what more could be done to get the draft approved. I could debate that he goes under the following:

"1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors."

He is recognized by his peers Arman and Venet in the draft and is recognized by art critics I mentioned as well and known in multiple countries which I believe is enough. I have seen other artists on wikipedia who have less references but somehow end up getting approved so I'm just a little confused. Thank you again for any feedback. OneEyedWolf (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andre_Gaines
Hello Theroadislong,

I have resubmitted my article for Andre Gaines. Kindly view it and let me know if any changes are required. I also want to share that I certainly by mistake clicked on this user article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ImanSalvador/sandbox and submitted it by mistake and now it is coming in my contribution. I was just searching for help in Live chat and suddenly saw this article link was shared by someone. Once I clicked on it I went on submitting this article I thought it was for Andre Gaines and submitted it.

The only article which I want to publish is "Andre Gaines"

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by RepulsiveRow82 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Replying kindly for Wikipedia page Roman Perez- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Perez

I represent Mr. Perez, and have been working on his article page here on Wikipedia for 1-2 years now.

I received the notification that all of the hard work put into this might finally go to waste.

You accepted his page and now are asking for it to be deleted.

Roman is a public figure. He is verified on social media, and has all the credentials to be here on Wikipedia.

The guidelines for Notability sports person specifically says- American Basketball Association which is the ABA. Perez has played with 3 teams (bronx holy flames, team innovation and the harlem underdogs from 2013-19. Unfortunately those franchises have folded so their websites are not up for me to add on Wikipedia.

He also entered the nba draft in 2009 https://www.eurobasket.com/player/Roman-Perez/APBL/New-York-Black-Eagles/187107

Please take into consideration that he is notable. He has many articles on google and deserves a chance to be here.

I really appreciate your time and effort.

Regardless of the outcome,

Thank You,

Steve Warner — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevewarner23 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You will need to make your case at Articles for deletion/Roman Perez, not here. Being verified on social media and having articles on Google is irrelevant, he needs to pass WP:NBASKETBALL. Theroadislong (talk) 06:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Unacceptable draft becomes instant article
Draft:Gopinath Ravi was multiply declined and a discussion took place with the creator here, whereupon, this morning, they pasted the draft material into an eponymous article, which awaits review. Given this history, I'd like to try a speedy deletion. I've never done this before, and am not sure whether lack of notability is a sufficient criterion for speedying. Would PROD be more appropriate? What do you recommend here?--Quisqualis (talk) 02:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Re Gopinath Ravi The next step would be to take it to WP:AFD. It has an assertion of notability so speedy would be declined. Theroadislong (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Afripedia and Afripedia Project are different topics
Hi Theroadislong,

Thanks so much for looking into the draft article I've submitted; Afripedia.

You have rejected the draft article and suggested I merge it with an already existing article: Afripedia Project. However, the subject of the article Afripedia I submitted and the already existing article Afripedia Project are not the same.

The already existing article Afripedia Project is an initiative organised by Wikimédia France, Institut Français, and the Agence universitaire de la Francophonie and "aims to expand offline Wikipedia access in French-speaking Africa, and encourage Africans to contribute to Wikipedia".

The Afripedia article I have suggested is a completely other initiative, a documentary series, as well as a platform that aims to bridge the gap of employment of diverse talents in creative industries across the globe. It is also run by different people and it is an active project, 2010-now, unlike the Afripedia Project.

Please see this discussion page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Afripedia_Project

To clarify this ambiguousness, I have inserted the form indicating that the page should not be confused with Afripedia project.

I have resubmitted the article, please see if that solves the issue raised.

Many thanks,

User YNovakovic
 * I have removed my decline and comment, the draft itself appears to be about two separate topics which is also confusing! Theroadislong (talk) 08:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Krilo Shipping Company
Hi Theroadislong, thank you for you review of Articles for creation: Krilo Shipping Company. I created the wiki article to connect it via languages. The original wiki article is on Croatian language.

The submission was declined as it appeared to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Im reaching out to ask for your help on how to create articles on other languages and that they dont appear like an advertisement.

Thanks BryanTheCorrector (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Croatian Wikipedia has very different guidelines for articles. Here, we need a summary of what reliable independent sources say about a topic Draft:Krilo Shipping Company has no independent sources see WP:NCORP for the criteria it needs to pass. Theroadislong (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

draft:Holy Coves
Hi, Thankyou for your comment, I have read through WP:NBAND already and looked on other band pages on wikipedia, some of them seem to have less than what I have referenced on my draft for Holy Coves page. So I feel at a loss as to why I newspaper articles, magazine articles, BBC radio plays aren't enough. Thankyou FlowerMoon593 (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * See other poor quality articles exist for that argument. Theroadislong (talk) 09:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Crikey! Thank you!! Theroadislong (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:59:48, 12 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman
Hi Theroadislong, Hope you are doing good, you have recently left a review on my submission User:Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman/MTFX Group, I am trying my best to write it in a neutral tone and make it as simple as possible, I have followed my competitors on wiki e.g Knightbridgefx, they pretty much talk about the same thing but they are approved, can you help me please point a few lines which look like an advertisement so I can reassess my paragraphs it will greatly help me. Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman (talk) 07:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman (talk) 07:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Each and every sentence of your draft contains promotional puffery, "leading provider", "receivable solutions", " largest and most respected", " amazing people and great technology.", "solutions span multiple industries" etc etc, See WP:SOLUTIONS and please note that other poor articles existing is not a good argument. Theroadislong (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hamutal Slovin
Hello, I do not understand your reason for the decline... Slovin is a proffesor and I placed many links. Would you please be kind enough to better explain and review this issue? Li-reg (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Knitting Accessories
Hi,

Greeting of the day

Can you please help me out with my article? where I am doing mistakes? How to get my article live.
 * Your draft is not written like an an encyclopedia article, some topics are just not suitable, sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 12:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Amazing guidance you provided
Thank you so much for providing amazing guidance, I will make sure to follow your guidelines. one more question I have if you can spare some time for me I am a new user learning wiki I have requested to include a space for the company in the template Template talk:Exchange rate but I don't know how to proceed further, the company genuinely provide live rates with 5 decimal point, can you guide me how I can elaborate it as I have already declared disclosures in my talk page.
 * I know nothing about the financial details of your business, and I don't understand why Wikipedia would need a template for the MTFX Group when we don't have an article for them? Theroadislong (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

random unsigned comment
Respect for emerging and upcoming artists with experience that's already documented. Bless.
 * I guess this random unsigned comment refers to your autobiography here Draft:Kacper Hadzicki which fails WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 16:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Mithila University
Mithila University was ancient educational institution in India. It is mentioned in the below link. Importance of the history of this ancient university is same as Nalanda, Vikramshila and Takshashila. But exact article 'Mithila University' has been yet not created in Wikipedia. The link, I am sharing now is government document. Please go through the link and help in publishing it as main article. https://state.bihar.gov.in/lrc/Content.html?links&page=Darbhanga Sntshkumar750 (talk) 15:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The link merely confirms that the university exists, but Wikipedia requires there to be in-depth coverage of the institution in independent reliable sources, and that is what we base articles on. Please also read other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 15:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My JSTOR doesn't have access to that article so I can't see what can be salvaged. But Sntshkumar750, here is the thing--your draft is faulty in a whole kind of ways. PLEASE go see what accepted articles on universities look like and emulate that. And some of it is very basic. What does "Notable texts" mean? And why don't you mention what time period and geographical area we're talking about? Drmies (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nor does mine, ; but under the blue notice that tells me that there's another red one that says "Read online: 100 articles remaining this month", so I did. The crucial sentence is on page 163, and reads ""the whole of Mithila converted into a great university, where the pupils from all over north-eastern India began to come and acquire knowledge". I can see no way of reading that other than as a metaphor (well, OK, a metaphor with a generous dressing of hyperbole). It relates to early mediaeval times, btw – Adi Shankara is mentioned in the previous sentence. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Draft page on Centre for Product Design and Manufacturing at IISc
Hi Theroadislong,

I tried to improve the sources present in the draft page "Centre for Product Design and Manufacturing". Regarding the comment promotional: I think it is now less promotional and better cited than the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Laboratory_of_Electronics_at_MIT

I do want to change the name of this page to "Centre for Product Design and Manufacturing at IISc"

Like to get your thought.

Thanks.
 * Can't see much improvement, the "Vision and Mission" is of zero interest to Wikipedia and is entirely promotional. AS for Research Laboratory of Electronics at MIT that is also entirely promotional and unsourced and I have tagged it for speedy deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 08:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I mostly agree to the point that the "Vision and Mission" section of the page is too generic. It could be deleted. I decided not to do it myself anymore, as it is now a case of conflict of interest. Thanks. Biswas a (talk)

Research Laboratory of Electronics at MIT
I have just accepted your speedy deletion nomination. It's mind boggling that the article has persisted in such blatantly promotional form for almost 14 years without anyone doing anything about it. Also, for over eight years it has been tagged as promotional, which is, I think, a fairly good illustration of how much good those tags achieve. JBW (talk) 09:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes it was rather surprising and of course other users then use it as an example to create other promotional unsourced content! Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 09:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this unbiased review and prompt action. I support it from my side. We need to broaden the scope of such unbiased review on Wikipedia. Biswas a (talk)

Draft:Adolf Shapiro ‎
Hi.

Could you please clarify/elaborate which minimum requirements for inline citations are not met?

The article contains no direct quotations, no challenged statements or statements tagged with "need citation", no statements that are likely to be challenged, and no contentious material.

Nevertheless, article already contains 19 inline citations from 7 sources.

Finally, the article is a English language version (direct translation) of already existing foreign language Wikipedia page.

Could you please clarify which statements need citations or which citation requirements are not satisfied.

Thank you in advance.
 * Well, for example there are eleven awards which have no source, all substantive facts require a citation. Theroadislong (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Adolf Shapiro
Hmmm... here is today's wikipedia featured article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Palacio

It has awards without inline citations (in the Awards and Honors section) as well as Bibliography section without inline citations on any of the books, as well as other substantive facts without citation.

more importantly however none of these are included in wikipedia's "minimum standard for inline citations" which you cite. Nothing in here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation#When_you_must_use_inline_citations says "all substantive facts". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzik01 (talk • contribs)
 * that was the picture of the day, not the featured article. Link. --- Possibly &#9742; 18:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP states “any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation; material not meeting this standard may be removed.” and other poor quality articles exist is not a good argument. Your draft had 11 awards with no sources, R. J. Palacio has only one unsourced award. Theroadislong (talk) 19:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Adolf Shapiro ‎
That sounds fair, if any of these awards are challenged - you may remove them.

The existence of"poor quality" articles is a good argument that articles aren't supposed to be perfect, articles merely need to meet minimum requirements.

I will take your suggestions for article improvement under consideration, but in the meantime please cite direct violation of Wikipedia minimum requirements. Preferably, as a challenger, with corresponding burden of proof.
 * No, the existence of poor quality articles is because in the past Wikipedia was less strict about the quality and we haven't got around to improving them all or deleting them where required, please don't start a new thread for each reply and remember to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Theroadislong (talk) 20:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Adolf Shapiro ‎
Sorry, no idea how to continue existing thread.

In the meantime, if existence of "poor quality" articles is indeed a matter of oversight, please cite a your source. Again demonstrating clear violation of Wikipedia's minimum standards for inline citation would be acceptable.

In the mean time I am challenging your statement citing the above mentioned Wikipedia policies as proof ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation#When_you_must_use_inline_citations ). Article that satisfy minimum Wikipedia requirements are not disqualified for poor quality, in fact quality does not seem to be mentioned in the minimum requirements.

Feel free to judge the quality of the article, but please cite direct violation of Minimum Requirements - challenge a statement, cite a reason/source of the challenge.

Uzik01 (talk) 20:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Why don't you simply provide the sources for the awards. Theroadislong (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I am simply a translator for this article. I did pass your suggestions to the authors of the original article. I suspect though this because to the Russian speaking audience these awards ARE the references, or if you prefer - these are self-referenced. "Laureate of the International Stanislavsky Prize" isn't just an award - it's an offline reference as well. More importantly though because the idea isn't to create a perfect article, not even replicate/translate existing one. The idea is to create an article and improve it based on feedback and challenges of people actually familiar with Shapiro's work. Uzik01 (talk) 21:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Omari Salisbury
We must have been reviewing Omari Salisbury at the same time. I was about to accept the article when I noticed you'd declined it, so hope you don't mind the revert. There was also a big article in The Seattle Times' last month, which swung me in favour of accepting he had an enduring notability. Sionk (talk) 19:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Absolutely fine, good call. Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look!
Hi there. Thank you for your review of Deepstash. I did my best to write it as non-commercial and from as much of a neutral point of view as possible (just facts and neutral descriptions).

Can you please help with some advice/direction on rewriting it? What section is the worst offender, or what should I focus on? Would be highly appreciated. CristianM (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry no, you are being paid to edit I am a volunteer, I suggest you spend a few months familiarising yourself with how Wikipedia works before charging for your "expertise". Theroadislong (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand. Just wanted to state that I am not being paid to edit, but am the founder. I didn't hire anyone to write this. That's why I declared my conflict of interest and wanted someone else to have a look, since almost always, if you're involved, you can't have a NPOV. I changed the page and left details in the edit summary. Was wondering if you can take another look? CristianM (talk) 04:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

VALLON Sports Eyewear page review
Hi,

Do we require more citation/source material? Or is the issue the COI?

Thanks,
 * Who is "we" Wikipedia accounts are for single person use, sources need to be independent was presented by Vallon, This  is just an advert, this  is  a passing mention, sources need to be in-depth, independent and not press releases either.  Theroadislong (talk) 13:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

AfC review
Sorry, I wasnt aware you were also reviewing it. I usually refresh page in a different tab before reviewing, but i missed it this time. Thanks anyway. -- Gpkp  [ u • t • c ] 13:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not a problem, the result is the same decline. Theroadislong (talk) 13:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

The Death of Henry Jemmott
Thanks for your rejection! It's a super-useful lesson. I will have another go, but I can see why I didn't make the notability clearer and my references were poorly inserted. I also see that my sources need to do more than simply suggest a news story. I'm sorry I didn't reply to you earlier - I didn't actually realise I could! best SteveCree13
 * Your draft was declined not rejected, there is a subtle difference. Every possibility that it can be accepted in some form or another. Theroadislong (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Steve Volk notability
I think his writing experience with major publishers makes him qualified for a Wiki page.
 * No it doesn't I'm afraid... a topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 20:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft page in sandbox
Hi Theroadislong, I've been working on a new page but instead of going via AFC I thought I'd first create it in my sandbox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MaskedSinger/sandbox Do you mind taking a look at it and letting me know if it's good to go. Thank you kind sir. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Wondering if you saw it because you didn't reply. If you deliberately ignored it, is there a reason why? Should I approach a different editor about this? Only asked you as you seem to be the top editor when it comes to approving new pages. MaskedSinger (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * My focus is on WP:AFC but a quick look at your sandbox shows a rather promotional piece, and content like "His style icons include Steve McQueen, Fred Astaire, Humphrey Bogart, Gianni Agnelli, and Robert Redford in the Great Gatsby" doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, are you being paid to edit by any chance? Theroadislong (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not being paid to edit at all. Saw an article about him and was surprised there wasn't a page about him already. I'm glad I ran the page by you as it probably would have been rejected. I don't mean for it to be promotional at all. If the language needs to be toned down, I will do so. As for the bit about style icons, I thought it relevant given that's his field - no different to saying which artists influence and inspire a current one. Anyhow in terms of notability, do you think he's notable enough for a page? If so, I will work on toning down the language. Thanks for your help. MaskedSinger (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a reasonable amount of coverage of him so he likely passes WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok great. I will take another pass. Thank you MaskedSinger (talk) 16:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I updated it, deleted some stuff and toned down the language. I have to be honest - I was premature in contacting you. It wasn't ready as a draft. There was way too much fluff there and you were 100% right to call me to task for it. If someone asked me to look at their draft for a new page and it was this one, I can't imagine I would have been as understanding as you were. Anyhow, language such as Best Dressed, Most Powerful, is still there because this is what he was named and these help establish his notability. If you think it's ready, I should create it as an AFC? Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 09:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

My Wiki
Hi Thereoadislong,

I hope you are well.

Thank you so much for accepting my submission! Just wondering, are there any quick tips you can please give me to improve the grade of the page? That would be great. Thank you again!!

Best wishes,

Will
 * Forgive me for being pedantic but it is an article not a wiki. You could add categories which would help people find it, you might also want to change your user name, they are not intended to be used for commercial purposes. Theroadislong (talk) 13:28, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Projectivity (psyschological trait)
Hi, Thereoadislong.

Your criticism of the article is that it only contains one source. However, would that mean that a huge portion of all Wikipeida articles, including respected ones, are in need of deletion? (Example: The Thief's Journal). Considering the size of the Wikipedia article, and the fact that it's still being edited, it seems like one source is all that is necessary for the meantime.
 * Yes, clearly lots of articles slip through the net like The Thief's Journal) which would not pass WP:AFC now, your draft appears to draw on personal knowledge whereas it should report on what a variety of reliable sources have said about the topic. Theroadislong (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Why would you say investopedia “is not a reliable source” especially for the subject matter that was on my page. I do not believe this is a valid reason to reject an article.

Draft:Rahul sinha journalist
I hit edit and saw your thanks. I am too slow. :) - hako9 (talk) 07:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 09:27:22, 17 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Masterwork
Reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Masterwork#Your_submission_at_Articles_for_creation%3A_sandbox_%28July_16%29 Propose new entry on KARL FIORINI. This entry, including the latest revision, has been repeatedly rejected. I am at a loss to explain why. The stock rejection - "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article" - is frankly unacceptable. The facts about this person are brief and to the point, supported by references and bibliography. They speak for themselves: highly trained, long experienced, with a solid track record of performances, publications and recordings. Plus fifteen years working as a respected Artistic Director. I am familiar with several other entries pertaining to Maltese-born or Malta-based artists, whose merits are demonstrably less than Dr Fiorini's, as well as essentially locally focused rather than international. How can Karl Fiorini fail to qualify? No reasons are given. After over a year - with Wiki's critical reservations taken on board and implemented - I feel this matter of refusal now needs to be examined seriously, and if necessary taken to a higher level. Respectfully  Masterwork (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Masterwork (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In order to demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about him in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. This source doesn’t mention him and your other source is just a profile page. Please also see other poor quality articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 10:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Joseph Ribas (French author)
Hello,

I see that, in declining to accept the draft article "Draft:Joseph Ribas (French author)", you say that the submission's references "do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

Could you kindly confirm that, in reaching that decision, you took into account the "Note on sources" which I posted earlier at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Joseph_Ribas_(French_author)#Note_on_sources?

Alan Mattingly (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you have two independent sources, I think it's usually advised that three is the minimum. Theroadislong (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll hunt for some more independent sources. Meanwhile, can I take it that the fact that there are already articles on the same subject in French and Catalan doesn't count for much? (The French one in particular has much the same content and references as the draft English article.) Alan Mattingly (talk) 16:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes other countries Wikipedia have quite different inclusion criteria, so is not really an advantage. Theroadislong (talk) 18:27, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I'm redrafting the article, mainly by adding further references of the kind required. I'll resubmit the draft for assessment when it's ready.
 * With regard to your statement that "other countries Wikipedia have quite different inclusion criteria", I have a question on that, but I'll post that question separately below, as it is a different subject. Alan Mattingly (talk) 12:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Variability of inclusion criteria according to language
On 15 July 2021, you wrote (above, in 'Draft: Joseph Ribas (French author)'): "other countries Wikipedia have quite different inclusion criteria".

It seems surprising that the criteria for publication of Wikipedia articles can vary according to the language in which they are written. This appears to mean that users of Wikipedia in one language may be viewing articles which are of a quality inferior to that of corresponding articles in other languages.

Yet Wikipedia is obviously a global "brand". All articles, regardless of language, seem to have a common format and appearance, a common (globe-like) logo, and a common domain name (wikipedia.org). Users might therefore be forgiven for thinking that all articles, regardless of language, are included on the basis of common, global criteria.

I don't underestimate the scale of difficulty in securing agreement on, and then enforcing, a common, global set of inclusion criteria. But shouldn't the adoption of global criteria at least be an aim? Perhaps it is. But I've searched, and I haven't yet found a statement to that effect.

(None of the above is meant to imply criticism of the criteria that are used for inclusion of Wikipedia articles in English.)

Alan Mattingly (talk) 13:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You might get a more informed response at the WP:Teahouse.Theroadislong (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I can assure you that it is reliable, especially for the subject matter as they have a team of specialists in the field that write articles all the time.

Tommy Adkins author
Everything posted on Tommy Adkins author is true and very easy to check. Wikipedia is not interested in "truth" only what reliable sources say about a topic, your draft has zero sources and no indication of notability.Theroadislong (talk) 22:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

AfC re-reviews
Hey — I noticed you've reviewed a few of my recent AfC reviews, thanks for that! :) Can I just clarify, assuming (?) that 'Pass' means you agree with my review, then #134 on the list as it currently stands seems contradictory: I declined it, you said 'pass', followed by 'passes GNG'. Did you mean to disagree with my review (which is absolutely fine, of course, BTW!), or was the 'passes GNG' a slip of the keyboard? Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Slip of copy and pasting sorry! All corrected now. Theroadislong (talk) 09:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thought so, but just wanted to make sure. Ta, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:32, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Source
Hi Theroadislong, Why sources should be in respective native languages?Fade258 (talk) 11:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't understand what the question relates to specifically, sources can be in any language though. Theroadislong (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Uruz: Return of the Er Kishi
My draft keep declined can you add missed informations.ZeusAmmon1 (talk) 14:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)ZeusAmmon1
 * I suggest you find another topic to edit. Your draft shows no indication of being suitable for Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Tea Mariamidze
Hi, not sure if you've seen User_talk:Curb_Safe_Charmer. I have emailed paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org with the simplest, but compelling, off-wiki evidence that she's paid. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, a simple Google search shows exactly who they are. Theroadislong (talk) 11:03, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Hey there, tried deleting that page and don't know how to. I realized you couldn't post under an organization. That page is no longer in use. I am a volunteer with this portion of the oraganization.

Thanks,

Tommy Adkins author
Thanks for your time. It's still unclear to me what reliable sources are. Certainty Wikipedia should be considered, maybe not. I think it may be more of a flip of a coin thing or personal taste. Anyway thanks for the consideration..
 * See here WP:RS for what constitutes a reliable source, Wikipedia absolutely cannot be used as a source, it not a question of personal taste. Theroadislong (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Denise Hunter
Hi and thanks for your comment on my page for Denise Hunter. The article is currently under review. Are you the one reviewing it? That is, should I go ahead and edit or wait until the review is complete. Thanks! Writerspace (talk) 21:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I got your followup and see you are the one reviewing it. I'm happy to edit but may I ask for some clarification? On IMDB, she is one of only 2 writers listed for each of the 3 movies I list, so it's not like she's 3rd gaffer or something :) Should I not link to IMDB as a citation in that case? On the interviews, should all interview references be deleted or just the Q&A type?Writerspace (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Interviews and IMDb are not considered reliable sources so do not help in any way to establish any notability, IMDb links should be removed. Theroadislong (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You say on your talk page that "all of her personal history came from Denise herself." you need to make a full disclosure of your conflict of interest before you edit further. Theroadislong (talk) 21:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I manage Denise Hunter's website. Where/how should I disclose that information? Writerspace (talk) 21:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * On your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 21:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have edited the Writerspace user page to reflect payment by Denise HunterWriterspace (talk) 00:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

In response to your comment I have edited the Early Life (to add citations) and Personal sections (to remove information unrelated to her career)Writerspace (talk) 20:24, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:58:25, 21 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Martin karu
Martin karu (talk) 07:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You are joking aren’t you? “faced an Advanced Level examination in biological science”, “nominated as the captain of the school football team” none of this even begins to make him notable! Theroadislong (talk) 08:13, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Tommy Adkins author
Really you should check google, Amazon, all major book sellers Book a Million, Barns and Noble etc, The Library of Congress, The Panama City Florida New Harald, I could go on but it seems useless. You still won't say what a reliable source is. But I am a author with 12 books to my credit. Sold in England, Australia, Japan. It's all out there and easy to find if you look.2600:1700:2160:4A70:0:0:0:55E (talk) 14:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The sources you list above are not independent, Wikipedia requires sources to be in depth reliable and independent, click the blue links for more details. In order to demonstrate your notability, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about you in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. Your draft has zero sources so cannot be considered Theroadislong (talk) 16:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Westben
You added Undisclosed paid to this when it was a draft. I have accepted the draft and am wondering whether to remove the tag. Did you have any evidence that led you to suspect a paid editor? ~Kvng (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, I've removed the tag, I can't recall what led me to suspect paid editing now. Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Article Review Draft: Padma Rao Sundarji
Hi! The re-submission of my article Draft: Padma Rao Sundarji has been rejected again. The cited sources do not have passing mentions but is about the person herself. The sources are either the work of the person herself that are published by recognised publishing houses or are links to write ups about her by news agencies. A couple of links are also from the well known news channels who have published a small introduction about her as their employee. Anyway, I have again changed the write up now. I request you to review the same and I also request your expert help in pointing out exactly what else I should remove or change in this draft before I submit it again, so that it can get accepted and moved to the live section this time. Thanks in advanceShravanthiRK (talk) 07:59, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft was declined not rejected, YouTube links, articles by her or her publishers and news releases are not independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 08:20, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply, Theroadislong I stand corrected (declined, not rejected) :) I have now removed the sources of articles written by her as well as Youtube links (earlier, I assumed it is acceptable if it was from a verified youtube channel, as mentioned in the wiki guidelines). I have just retained one youtube link as of now, which happens to be an interview of hers by a news channel (the live help section volunteers said that was acceptable). However, if you suggest I remove that as well, I shall do so. Apart from that, does my article stand good enough now? Please help! Thank you again! :)
 * As per others comments you need to show she meets the notability standards. "She was a reporter and interviewed some notable personalities. She was removed from office and she contested it in a court and after multiple lawsuits won the case. Pretty run of the mill". Theroadislong (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I really need help on this one again, as I dont seem to understand! I request you to help me a little more in detail please. If the lawsuit is a typical run of the mill, I will remove the same from the write up, however, if I am not wrong, the person is worthy of Wiki inclusion for the internationally recognised journalism and books that she has authored and co-authored, right? ShravanthiRK (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * To show her notability, I would like to clarify if my understanding is correct:

The notability guidelines mention that the biography of any person who has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field. The book she has written covers the 30 year long civil war of Srilanka. I believe the book can be considered a primary source and maybe also counts as Reliable source as her book has been published by respected publishing houses as well? The links to the book reviews serve as secondary sources, if I am not wrong? As per my understanding of the wiki guidelines, for independent sources, we have News media articles about her which also mention her profession as a journalist. There are links to news channels who published her introduction on their website. I hope this is a valid source too? I am just trying to learn and ensure I do not go wrong again in my understanding. Requesting your expert advise & help please! Thank you!ShravanthiRK (talk) 10:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Her book is a primary source, news media "mentioning" her are not enough. Sources need to cover her in-depth, with signifcant coverage. Theroadislong (talk) 10:46, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Right! Noted! Thank you so much! ShravanthiRK (talk) 13:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 20:54:19, 21 July 2021 for assistance on DiscountMugs submission by GeorgeEisner
I was hoping to receive feedback and a review on my submission that went further in depth than, "this reads like an advertisement." Frankly, I find that assessment unfair and inaccurate. I spent many hours compiling third-party sources that provided credible information about the company that requested this work (DiscountMugs), and followed a nearly identical format to another company already published on Wikipedia (see below).

I would appreciate greater clarification on issues that need to be addressed than the general message I received. The Bensussen Deutsch & Associates page follows a nearly identical format and tone to the one I submitted on behalf of DiscountMugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bensussen_Deutsch_%26_Associates

Thank you for your assistance. GeorgeEisner (talk) 20:54, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * See other crap articles exist for that argument andnote that Bensussen Deutsch & Associates has been tagged for deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 21:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Really! That's interesting considering it wasn't tagged for deletion until I brought it to your attention!
 * Did you even read the page you linked? The precedent in usage section clearly states, "this essay is not a standard reply that can be hurled against anyone you disagree with who has made a reference to how something is done somewhere else." I asked for feedback and you linked a page you didn't even read—that explicitly tells you not to do that—and then tagged a page for deletion that previously had no problem existing on Wikipedia. GeorgeEisner (talk) 07:52, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've redacted the personal attacks by the paid editor. One would think a paid editor would have more respect for our volunteer page reviewers.   --- Possibly &#9742; 17:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Tommy Adkins author
References "or on line " Google Tommy Adkins author you will find more references than you need.2600:1700:2160:4A70:0:0:0:55E (talk) 17:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, Goodreads, Amazon, Everybody wiki, Worddisk, Facebook, eBay…absolutely nothing reliable or independent sorry. Theroadislong (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Bob Martino article
Good afternoon,

Thank you for reviewing my submission. I made an alteration to the sentence you left a comment on. Could you take another look please? My client is eager for this article to be published. Again, thank you for your time.
 * The draft is still stuffed with inappropriate unsourced promotional puffery, Wikipedia has no interest in what your "client" wants. Theroadislong (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Bob Martino article
You said the article contained "inappropriate unsourced promotional puffery." Could you please advise which sections in particular need help? Does it need a complete rewrite? Your comment was very broad.
 * “leadership experience in the greater Park City, Utah and Chattanooga regions, as well as California and Florida.” “Martino has developed and redeveloped office space, medical offices, multi-family housing and commercial space, as well as sports-related complexes for soccer and golf.” “He spent several years as a controller with Stouffer Foods prior to representing a national restaurant company as Chief Financial Officer. In the 1980s, he started companies relating to equipment financing, real estate financing and investment, as well as residential construction. A decade later, he began developing large scale communities and serving as a general contractor in road and utility construction. His professional portfolio has amounted to over $1 billion in real estate investment.’ for example is all unsourced trumpery. Theroadislong (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

template
I am a new user and I do not know this person, the template is incorrect - please do not keep putting it up
 * I have never suggested that you know this person? The COI template is there because there are multiple conflicted users editing the article. Theroadislong (talk) 09:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)