User talk:Thewholetruthisbest

October 2016
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at John Podesta, you will be blocked from editing privileges. Quis separabit? 17:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

John Podesta
The section added to this page under the heading Supporting Progressive Catholicism all relates to a single 4-sentence email that Podesta wrote in 2012, released via Wikileaks recently. The article has been improved since its original posting. It still contains two very slanted "attack quotes" that make assertions in no way supported by the email. The relevant portion of Podesta’s 2012 email in its entirety said: "We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a moment like this.  But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now.  Likewise Catholics United.  Like most Spring movements, I think this one will have to be from the bottom up."

The quote from Eternal Word Television Network anchor Raymond Arroyo claims “It makes it seem like you're creating organizations to change the core beliefs of the church,” he said. “For someone to come and say, 'I have a political organization to change your church to complete my political agenda or advance my agenda', I don't know how anybody could embrace that.” This is not only an unsubstantiated assertion but is at odds with Podesta's email itself, which nowhere mentions changing the "core beliefs of the church" not a" political organization," nor a political agenda. The other quote, from Anne Hendershott, says the email vindicated the position of "orthodox Catholic writers including myself" who oppose the Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United, which she called "fake Catholic groups."[43] By this, she seems to mean that they don't adhere to the same view of Catholic doctrine that she does. Catholics for the Common Good was created by Catholics, is run by Catholics, and is made up of Catholics which makes it a Catholic group. See its website, which notes that it was the number 1 quoted Catholic organization during Pope Francis's visit to the US. Judging from Catholics United's Wikipedia page, it too appears to be a genuine Catholic organization, albeit one that disagrees with Professor Hendershott. Neither of these disparaging, unsupported quotes belong in Wikipedia. I deleted them for that reason, but they have been restored, and I received a warning that I was vandalizing Wikipedia and would be denied further editing privileges if I persisted.

This 4-sentence email receives more space than Podesta's 8 years, several of them as Chief of Staff, during the Wm J. Clinton Administration, and his eight years founding and leading the Center for American Progress combined. I defer to more experienced editors to decide whether his email, though seized on by a political campaign to support a claim that the other campaign is anti-Catholic, justifies any space at all in a Wikipedia biography of someone who, whether one likes him or not, has been involved in so many noteworthy events.

One further suggestion: The article currently cites, as its source for information about the email, a Washington Post article that also contained inaccuracies. Like many of the citations that other editors have now wisely deleted from the article, that seems intentional.Why not cite instead directly to the Wikileaks page: https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/6293  I would make the change myself, but given the threatening response to my last edit, it seems better to make the change here.

Thewholetruthisbest (talk) 01:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)


 * If two editors cannot agree - then you need to look at Dispute resolution Ron h jones (Talk) 01:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

November 2016
Hello, I'm Donner60. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Robert Creamer (political consultant) seemed less than neutral to me, so I removed it for now. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2016 (UTC)