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Is that better?Thewikibeagles (talk) 04:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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 * I have enjoyed the wit of the name "Wikibeagles" from its first appearance, and found edits made under that name to be admirable in their style, verve and accuracy, like "fenbeagle".   But  maybe the final "s" seems like a defiance of the customs and usages of this multi-open access website, discomfiting to sticklers for club rules. Figuratively, the notion of a pack of hounds properly trained to scent and chase hares under a Master  may delight, but could be distasteful to persons who are squeamish about  blood sports. Qexigator (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your very kind comment, Qexigator. Much appreciated. And also for your thoughtfulness about the concept of the wikibeagles. The beagle is indeed a pack animal, most to be admired when going about its proper business through the countryside with its pack. But your point about those for whom bloodsports are objectionable is thoughtful. Do you think we should change our name to "the wikibeagle"? We can still have many thoughts, we suppose, even if we become One. Or should we find another name do you think? Thewikibeagles (talk) 04:19, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * In view of the quotes below, perhaps letting the singular stand for all would suffice: compare with clan name usage such as "The Macleod of that Ilk" (Clan MacLeod), but note - and "When one uses ilk, as in the phrase men of his ilk, one is using a word with an ancient pedigree even though the sense of ilk, 'kind or sort', is quite recent, having been first recorded at the end of the 18th century. This sense grew out of an older use of ilk in the phrase of that ilk, meaning "of the same place, territorial designation, or name." This phrase was used chiefly in names of landed families, Guthrie of that ilk meaning "Guthrie of Guthrie." "Same" is the fundamental meaning of the word. The ancestors of ilk, Old English ilca and Middle English ilke, were common words, usually appearing with such words as the or that, but the word hardly survived the Middle Ages in those uses."


 * A Wikipedia search yields:


 * Beagles have a great sense of smell and tracking instinct that sees them employed as detection dogs for prohibited agricultural imports and foodstuffs in quarantine around the world. Beagles are intelligent, and popular pets because of their size, even temper, and lack of inherited health problems....Snoopy of the comic strip Peanuts has been promoted as "the world's most famous beagle". ("In earlier strips it is not clear to whom Snoopy belongs.")
 * The Talbot (dog) was a white hunting dog which is now extinct because of its lack of purpose and need for constant care, but it has been credited with being an ancestor of the modern beagle and bloodhound. The term talbot is used in heraldry to refer to a good-mannered hunting dog.
 * The North Country Beagle, Northern Hound or Northern Beagle was a breed of dog that existed in Britain probably until early in the 19th century. The exact date of its extinction is not known; it is likely that it was gradually interbred with other breeds, particularly the modern Beagle, until the genuine North Country Beagle bloodline ceased to exist.
 * The Southern Hound was a breed of dog that existed in Britain probably until sometime in the 19th century. The exact date of its extinction is not known; it is likely that it was gradually interbred with other breeds until the genuine Southern Hound bloodline ceased to exist. The origins of the Southern Hound are equally unclear. Most writers suggest that it is derived from the Talbot, which was a predominantly white, slow, deep-throated, scent hound, also of uncertain origin, though it is sometimes claimed that it came from Normandy. It is suggested that at some point the Talbot was crossed with Greyhounds to give them an extra turn of speed.However, in The Dog published in 1852, William Youatt states that the Southern Hound may have existed in Britain since ancient times rather than being brought from France by the Normans.
 * The Harrier (dog) is cheerful, sweet-tempered, tolerant of people, and it is excellent with children. This pack dog is good with other dogs, but should be supervised with non-canine pets unless it is raised with them from puppyhood. It prefers life in a pack with people, dogs, or both. This active dog likes to go exploring, sniffing, and trailing, so be sure to keep it on a leash or in a safe enclosed area. Some Harriers like to bay....The Harrier is the most commonly used hound by hunts in Ireland....This breed of dog is recognized in 1885 by the American Kennel Club and is classified in the Hound Group.
 * Cheers! Qexigator (talk) 08:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Often the practice is that should a beagle grow too large, i.e. over 17" at the withers, it is dismissed from the beagle pack and sent to a harrier pack. A harrier is really just a large beagle, in between the 23" foxhound and the larger of the two beagle groups, 15" vs. 13". The American foxhound is larger at 25" and rangier than the English foxhound. I am glad to find someone on wikipedia who is sympathetic to these wonderful animals. My feeling though is that the Talbot should not be classified as a beagle. How foolish of the UK Mars team to name their craft Beagle II. I could have told them it would take off an never be seen again. They should have kept it on a short leash, or called it Dachshund perhaps. Thewikibeagles (talk) 10:31, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Not only that, but also "TheGleneagles" (Îlot-Trafalgar-Gleneagles, Montreal) = singular. Qexigator (talk) 13:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

PoF: German critique of a commentator
I have only noticed today that Sergei O. Prokofieff has this external link. Perhaps the PoF aticle should have it too? It is a published review of Prokofieff's book on PoF. Adding it as an external link could be an improvement to the PoF article, not only as a reasoned critique but also for the information it gives (in a tertiary way), such as the correspondence with Rosa Mayreder. At one point the reviewer seems to be saying that anthroposophy cannot be unlocked with The Philosophy of Freedom if the latter has not been sufficiently understood. But I have to rely on Google translation, which in parts is incomprehensible. The review mentions what are seen as shortcomings in Prokofieff's work, particularly that he has not studied philosophy systematically, but it also brings a reader's attention to Prokofieff's merits, as a reasoned discussion should, and a critical reader can also see for him/her -self what may be shortcomings in the reviewer's position.

Actually, this is one reason for mentioning Steiner's own words about ToK as foundation and justification, in the 1924 edition; and to get a yet more rounded picture a reader could consider another commentary such as Bondarev's, published with the Graham B. Rickett translation, in the book 'Rudolf Steiner's Philosophie der Freiheit as the Foundation of the Logic of Beholding [ISBN 978-1-105-05765-6]. per Bondarev (Foreword): 'Initially, Rudolf Steiner developed his epistemological ideas on the basis of his research into the world-view of Goethe. But he soon formulated his own basic principles, too, which were completely new for traditional science. ...Rudolf Steiner devoted much attention to working out the principles of evolutionism in knowledge. As his starting-point he chose Goethe’s doctrine of metamorphosis. Thanks to the new methodology, this was extended to include the spheres of soul-spiritual processes, of metahistory and the entire process of cosmic development. On a strict, systematic basis Rudolf Steiner introduced into his science and its methodology an element that has tremendously enriching value for knowledge, namely, esotericism, by which is meant the experience of knowledge of the laws of the existence of supersensible worlds.'

Also noted, that Google search presents downloads of Bondarev's work at (and a link for the complete, original Russian edition). There may not be many English-language readers of the PoF article who would be willing or able to follow through with Bondarev as further reading, but there may be a few and it does some good to let inquirers know that it is there for them if they choose. While Russia is the homeland and Russian the mother-tongue of both the older man, Bondarev, and the younger, S.O.Prokofiieff, it may be surmised that their apparent differences are not due only to their works being translated into German for critical German readers, but it may be less easy to see how far apart they are in their presentation of Steiner's works. Are they more complementary than they would admit? Qexigator (talk) 17:40, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

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Would it not be better to give in English, with source, adding the German if necessary? --Qexigator (talk) 19:03, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

How do you mean, Q? (Are you from Q-branch, by the way?) Thewikibeagles (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You will now have seen. Q?Yes or No: ,. You may guess it but I could not possibly comment. Qexigator (talk) 07:23, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment. Thewikibeagles (talk) 23:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

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Removal of content from The Philosophy of Freedom
Did you mean to remove much of the section describing the second half of the book? HGilbert (talk) 22:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

No, I didn't. I must look! Help!Thewikibeagles (talk) 19:37, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Joking apart, the series of your later edits from here to here makes it impracticable to help otherwise than by proposing that you go back to the status quo ante and proceed again to make the revisions intended. Qexigator (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Everything looks OK somehow. I had inadvertently deleted most of the material under "Exercising Freedom", but it seems to have come back. I am happy with the material before, if everyone else is. I plan to go ahead in "Understanding Freedom" with Chh. 6 and 7. I am uneasy about "Understanding" vs. "Exercising" freedom, because Part II is about understanding freedom ("The Idea of Freedom") and Part I really isn't about freedom specifically but about thinking, perception and knowledge, i.e. epistemology. Then in Part II comes the application of the epistemology, but the epistemology is about knowledge and the rest, not about freedom, except as a preparation and preliminary. "Theory of Knowledge" and "Theory and Practice of Freedom" would be more accurate, but too clunky. Any ideas? Thewikibeagles (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You may know that Rita Stebbing's version (1963) gives: first part "The Knowledge of Freedom", second part "The Reality of Freedom". Qexigator (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

HGilbert, I see now that you managed to restore the deleted material without taking away the additions to the "Understanding Freedom" discussion. Thank you. Thewikibeagles (talk) 15:13, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Trimming?
Thanks for your engagement with the Philosophy of Freedom article. Do you feel, as I do, that the sections on its content are in danger of getting a little too long for the casual reader, and that it's also difficult to discern the structure within these long sections? I wonder if we can't trim and edit for clarity and brevity...and perhaps add some subheadings. What do you think? HGilbert (talk) 01:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree completely with your observations. My plan was to get the elements of the piece firmly in place, and then to start to get some cutting and editing going from all sides. I do think the narrative arc isn't there at the moment, and for the average reader the thing is too dense, although I suppose it must be said that for the average reader the PoF does appear dense. I haven't ever felt that; quite the reverse. It's nothing like Kant. So once I have got to the end of Part I I will take up your suggestion and start slimming the thing down, and I'll welcome any assistance with that - not an easy thing, I think. I do very much appreciate the spirit of your remarks. Thewikibeagles (talk) 16:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Another plan. Would you like to zip through Part I "Knowledge of Freedom" on your own without interference and see if you can get it into a trimmer state with a smoother flow, and then I'll do an edit, and we could follow the same procedure with anyone else who feels as we do, as Qexigator may, for example? Thewikibeagles (talk) 16:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Oh dear! What is wrong? Thewikibeagles (talk) 18:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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There is now an article on Jonathan Westphal, but see my comment 'I don't know who Thewikibeagles is but I have seen a name at metadata linked bove,' and my comment back in July 2012 on  Speedy deletion. Qexigator (talk) 09:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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I am so very sorry Kinetic37. It was a mistake. The Beagle article is a model of a wikipedia article on an important and interesting subject. I am horrified to have damaged it, and thank you for restoring it. Kind regards, the wikibeagles.
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Qexigator, you are very droll. It's a county cricket tie, not a college tie, though. Thewikibeagles (talk) 02:30, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The article would gain added depth if JW, as a member or player, is entitled to wear it, and  including this would endear him to cricket-lovers everywhere. Qexigator (talk) 11:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

If you know, could the image caption include "wearing.....college necktie"? Qexigator (talk) 08:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

+ or may be: "Jonathan as railway travelling bloke, not to be confused with The Sentimental Bloke from Oz"? Qexigator (talk) 09:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC). ..

You mean like Schiller plus le Carre? That's about right!Thewikibeagles (talk) 02:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Droller and droller! Qexigator (talk) 11:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I should be "The Naive and Sentimental Beagles"?


 * Er... that "I" could be interpreted by a simpleton as a naive and sentimental self-outing, while others would suppose that a philosopher such as JW would be well able to distinguish the "I" from the "I-ness" of the "I", illustrated with reference to Goethe's theory of colour. But the image cipher was first added on 10 June by Thewikibeagles, and there is nothing else that Qexigator sees to verify the image as one of JW, apart from lookalike images at the Amherst College and Hampshire College links. The article image shows spectacles of another style, and the cap may fit but could be concealing baldness, unlike the uncovered images from those other two sources. According to the principle "assume good faith", and noting, the possibility of hoax or prank is not to be entertained. Yet close inspection shows that the image has a message to convey: the peak of the cap at first directs the glance to the piercing gaze of a pair of eyes, each in its own frame, and then the glance moves upward to the message in the frame above the empty seat -- "IN FEAR...BRING OUT THE BOLD", as in JWT Singapore, which returns the glance to the smiling teeth. Smiley! and there we have it, as in works of fiction: a lad from Oz or in the novels of the 2011 winner of the Goethe Medal. An in depth multiple rebus, perhaps. Qexigator (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Do you mean the comment about Crowley? Thewikibeagles (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ahem! Thewikibeagles (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Rudolf Steiner's works
See Reliable sources/Noticeboard. tgeorgescu (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: John O. Lyle (March 27)
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March 2024
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 * Thanks Leonix. I was getting ready to edit the page. In its time Aims of Industry was important, so I thought I would give it a go. Thewikibeagles (talk) 11:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Aims for Industry moved to draftspace
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 * Thx for the help. I hadn't quite worked out how to make a draft! Thewikibeagles (talk) 11:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: John O. Lyle (April 9)
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