User talk:Thewinchester/Archives/2007/August

Ellis D Fogg
Hi. I notice that you have reverted the article on Ellis D Fogg to a version prior to the speedy delete of a few days ago. I don't understand your edit summary and so don't know what I have done wrong. I have put a lot of work into this article and would like to sort it out if you can help me. Thanks Tallum 08:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And Roger Gyles and Frank Hinder. What is CSD Tallum 08:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppet allegations
Please see Administrators%27_noticeboard. We have more than just an "allegation." Andre (talk) 04:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Rebecca says "I don't see any other possible conclusion but that Zivko85 is a sockpuppet of Orderinchaos." What else could that mean? Andre (talk) 05:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Also: Andre (talk) 05:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Westfield Manukau City
Well, you're partly correct, so I won't argue with you. I didn't "attempt" to add five (or four?) more articles to this AFD. That was my intent the entire time. I hadn't reached step III of the AFD listing process where I listed it on the the articles for deletion page with. Apparently, someone saw the AFD tag on one the articles and gave his two cents. So, your assessment is accurate, but not entirely... either way, I won't fight what you did. Jauerback 13:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox template
I just created an infobox for infobox hotel based on the one on infobox shopping mall. However, I added the field 'star_class' and cannot get it to display. Could you explain to me what I have done wrong, or what I have failed to do, please. Many thanks in advance. Ohconfucius 04:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Bundoora / Chidiac
Hi Winchester, thanks for your comments. I'm quite sure the youtube links add credibility to the chidiac article, and other adds from such credible places (Channel 10, The Age, Herald Sun) are coming over the next few months. Please note that in the article, subject himself ordered removal of all information about his historic achievements, and may take time to post some of the most notable articles back up. There are a number of checkable sources referenced in the reference section. You can call them or look them up - if you have $4.40 you can retrieve it from "The Age" as well. Subject is retired, only person who stands to gain from this addition is myself! Thank you very much for your comments but I would prefer help in the article. I am a bundoora resident and chidiac's achievements over here are very well known - could you please highlight where it is illegal to re-direct link to a user article? ta.--T3Smile 14:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. Can you source "XP a Windows of Opportunity" headline article from the Age, September 2001?  That article describes Chidiacs "DOS Encoder" working concept (lightly, but justifies the gates gig and MPEG-1 research).  I only have scans of such articles.  Any other thoughts to make this something to go into namespace (even a stub) would clear my plate somewhat to work on other things in wikipedia, such as my ancestry of Bundoora.  Thoughts?
 * Hi Winchester, thanks for the time you spent in your chidiac comment in my discussion page. I am in the midst of a re-think as my lecturer raised a question - is Anthony Chidiac an "Entrepeneur" (Successul one at that by way of pioneering technology changing society's way of representing arts) or a Technology Pioneer?  More articles are being linked to bio as I re-visit and others do too, but, as you said, needs to be "watertight" and its likely I have to re-think the entire article itself. I have no idea what "factiva" is but I am ASSuming that it wont describe/detail any media reports that were removed by notable media sources following the PR persons exercise to erase - following something controversial that emerged out of a Mexican news article with links to Carlos Slim Helu.  Wouldn't mind your point of view from out West as a revisit and an angle for inclusion of the article.  I'm of the opinion that this guy is into something that will make notability without question but in the interim...I have a paper to finish.  Thanks in advance.  T. --T3Smile 11:10, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Requests for adminship/Elonka 2
Thank you for taking the time to participate at the discussion in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project. I listened carefully to all concerns, and will do my best to incorporate all of the constructive advice that I received, into my future actions on Wikipedia. If you can think of any other ways that I can further improve, please let me know. Best wishes, Elonka 04:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Talkpage
I did not revert his talk page i left a question ExtraDry 06:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also please dont leave false templates i have not done any vandalism to any area of wikipedia. ExtraDry 06:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to look more carefully

"Revision as of 06:13, 5 August 2007 (edit) (undo) ExtraDry (Talk | contribs)"

"Where is the intimidating comment that you said i left? ExtraDry 06:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)" ExtraDry 06:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're going to lie like that, then please make a better job of it.   This diff proves you wrong, and the warning was entirely justified. You've been cautioned appropriatly, and further actions will result in referrals to administrators for action (and hopefully to find out exactly who you are a sockpuppet of, because I have my sneaking suspisions). Thewinchester (talk) 06:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

How about this view? Do you see it now? And please tell me who do you think i'm a sock of? ExtraDry 06:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ExtraDry isn't so much a sockpuppet as a reincarnation of DXRAW. Archifile 06:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

NPA
It's neither appropriate nor necessary to accuse other WP eds. of lying. Just Say something like, it doesnt seem that way, please check the diff again. I recognize the degree you were provoked, but I can hardly blame the other ed. from reverting a comment like that on his talk page. DGG (talk) 07:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:CIVIL Sammy lightfoot 11:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you think?
Came across it while doing disambig/redirect work - Freemans. Notable or not? Orderinchaos 05:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Would be very worthwhile getting Moondyne's feedback as well IMO (and checking over the WP:WA talk page for anyone who commented on the govt agency talk about 2-3 months ago in the archives). Orderinchaos 05:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Butting in, the template looks good. Great work. &mdash;Moondyne 09:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems to work now. I see you'd already fixed the agency exec, the characters just turned out to be the | was straight after the comment and not on the next line so wasn't getting parsed right. Orderinchaos 02:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Was just a syntactic issue - the code | for "then" was missing (i.e. MediaWiki is going "if ____ ... so what?") Orderinchaos 03:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion
For future dealings, please note that the criteria for speedy deletion includes the phrase "where there is no neutral version in the history to revert to." My user page had such a version, you could have reverted back to that version instead of using the speedy deletion template. I would have had no problem, this is wikipedia. Needless to say the issue has been fixed by me. Your good buddy Sammy lightfoot 04:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Benevolent Society
Hi

You tagged the article on the Benevolent Society to say (a) it needed references, and (b) it needs a cleanup. I've done the first (apologies for not putting them there before) but I'm not sure what else it needs. Any suggestions?

Cheers RayNorris 00:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

OK - many thanks - I'll get started on it. RayNorris 01:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Benevolent Society?! Is that Notable? I reckon they were up to something. Anyway... here is a part payment, for your work on the template: Thanks! Regards Fred ☻  12:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Shining beacon of Wikipedia light
I'd just like to thank thewinchester for his guidance since I've joined wikipedia. You taught me a lot of the basics (signing posts, wiki policy, how to revert etc.) and for that I thank you. We don't always agree, but you've been a big help. Your friend Sammy lightfoot 11:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree wholeheartedly Sammy, I find thewinchester to be an aggressive editor (see his block log) who likes to impose a bit of WP:OWN and often lacks good faith and willy nilly gives warnings rather than trying to engage in civil discussion. He also gets really annoyed when things don't go his way on Wikipedia. this may be interpreted as a personal attack but it's justified when you look at his behaviour. perhaps he is not a hothead in real life. 210.56.69.212 12:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I withdraw my earlier comment unreservedly as I now find myself in agreement with User:210.56.69.212 . You best pal Sammy lightfoot 04:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Elite Nine Australian Schools
Hi, this appears to me to be a poorly based, POV candidate for deletion - but I'm new to proposing articles for deletion and would appreciate your view Murtoa 12:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status
The Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to and/or  status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 17:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2008
Hey! I'm contacting all the members of wikiproject Perth because, I have put in an incomplete bid for Perth to hold Wikimania 2008. Please show your support by adding your name to the list and help contribute by improving our bid which is incomplete and located here - thanks Talk to symode09's or How's my driving? 18:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Reminder
Meetup/Perth/3 is next sunday 19th August, if you haven't already please sign on the meetup page if your coming, if your still unsure indicate anyway so I can confirm numbers with the venue thankyou Gnangarra 00:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Shopping center nomenclature
Please see Talk:Shopping mall for a discussion of what terminology to use in characterizing shopping malls of different sizes in the section "Classes of Malls." Your contributions would be greatly appreciated. Edison 03:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, if anyone has bothered to read the standards from ICSC, these only apply to classification of malls in the US, and there is a separate document for Pan-European malls. Outside of these areas, these standards are not designed to apply. Read WP:CSB Thewinchester (talk) 03:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So is there any chance you will be able to add the country-specific nomenclature and size or other criteria in the Shopping center article, based on the book sitting in a state library, or will it be necessary for an editor in the U.S. to try and borrow it through interlibrary loan to do the editing? Edison 05:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why did the above request lead you to complain on my discussion page that I was "not assuming good faith?" Please assume good faith yourself when another editor asks an appropriate question in a polite manner. Or were you referring to some other post???  You complained that I was trying to apply the wrong criteria to malls in a country, and you asserted that there was a reference work with the correct criteria, and I asked if you would be able to add the criteria to the relevant article. Where is there a "failure to assume good faith?" Why does that lead you to send me a much belated "Welcome to Wikipedia" which would have been more appropriate well over a year ago? Do you wish to contribute to improving the Shopping mall  article as part of the related project? If not I will try to obtain the cited book through interlibrary loan. Regards. Edison 05:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please address the above requests for assistance in improving the listing of criteria for classifying shopping centers in your country. Instead of doing so, you have repeatedly plastered my talk page with puzzling warnings and accusations of "not assuming good faith" and of being rude. Again, will you be able to access the 1982 book you described, and add the criteria to the article, or not? If I seemed rude or not to be assuming good faith, I humbly apologize. Perhaps you could point out for me what was rude ofr lacking in good faith, in order that I might avoid any repetition. Thanks you for your contributions, and I look forward to your reply. Edison 12:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My library says it would cost too much to get the book sent here to the US, even if the state library in Australia would loan it. I guess I will have to raise the question at the Shopping Center Project talk page and see if someone there would be able and willing to add the relevant iclassification standards to the Shopping Center article. Edison 16:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Chris G Bot
I'm not objecting to the existence of the bot - it does a good job - it's just the fact that it deletes my comments unnecessarily. BTW, is Chris G an alternate username of yours - why did you reply instead of him? JRG 11:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't assume bad faith; I know you're not a sockpuppet - you would know better than that to engage in that sort of thing. I was merely curious why you replied on his behalf, not being a moderator and all. JRG 06:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WestfieldNewZealand
I see you created the navbox for NZ. As you created a navbox I guess maybe you aren't the right person to talk to... can you convince people to put a default sort order on Westfield related pages so they are listed in categories by the suburb they are in or the name of the complex, rather than all being under W for Westfield? TIA,Garrie 01:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD nominations & WikiProject Australia
I noticed you removed a section related to PROD and WP:CSD deletion nominations from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia (diff reference). I've since on other pages only been adding a section related to WP:PROD. I sympathize with your not wanting interference with 'Chris G Bot'. Is there a way that PROD-nominations can be accommodated? --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 14:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Out Now Consulting
I am hoping you can help me, as I am watching the Out Now Consulting article you have been editing. The edits you made were some good, some bad IMHO. I see you are a more experienced editor than I am, so I was pleased to see you keep in those parts of the article you considered notable, something I was especially pleased about since you had been nominator and one previously pushing for the article's deletion in an earlier form. Following its recent re-creation by WP:DRV being based as it was on new material, I was a bit confused by some of the items you removed twice already that seemed to have been adjudged as being decisive in the DRV decision to re-create the article, especially this one where one of the leading advertising gurus in Australia relied on their advice, as well as this one - about the company setting up in Europe - that supports this one, which I know you have seen before. (The one in Dutch by the way comes from Adformatie which is the leading Dutch advertising industry equivalent of Advertising Age - a not insignificant national European reference periodical in the world of advertising.) I thought the fact that two significant WP:RS both saw fit within days to independently cover the setting up of the company's European office rendered the subject pretty notable based on my reading of WP policies and guidelines. These seemed to be important in the decision made by WP:DRV to re-create this article in WP mainspace. As for the comments you made in your most recent edit about 'information duplicated from infobox', that only really seems applicable in relation to their establishment date in Europe, so following your comment, I will take that out of a reinstatement of the other references. I remain most confused why articles about the company itself, and that were seen as establishing notability at WP:DRV, would be seen by you as being "cruft" to be removed from an article on the company - as I am afraid I am still not seeing it. JeffStryker 02:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You might perhaps also be somewhat reassured by page 26 of today's Wall Street Journal that says: "Out Now Consulting is an Amsterdam-based gay-marketing firm with offices world-wide." JeffStryker 11:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)