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2012

This is the archive of my conversations that occurred from January to December 2012.

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Ponce Sports
Could you add citations to your recently added statistics for Leones de Ponce championships? I somewhat remember in the early 70s the Leones de Ponce baseball team had several repeat wins. Thanks. Mercy11 (talk) 00:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's from the BSN official website (see here) Thief12 (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, but where do the baseball entries come from? I somewhat remember in the early 70s the Leones de Ponce baseball team had several repeat wins. Mercy11 (talk) 01:11, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Ashley Spurlin


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 * Unfortunately, winning a bronze star does not make one notable on Wikipedia. Being a contestant (ie, not the winner) of a reality show is also not notable.

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 * I was right in the middle of a huge edit. I already deleted the tag and added an explanation on the article's talk page. Hope that works. Thief12 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Ashley Spurlin
I have been seeing you create other top shot participants. If memory serves, they either won the competition or were possibly notable by other means. Mr. Spurlin's article is the first that I personally don't think is notable. Could you find some other reliable references about him? I'm tempted to take it to AfD and see what others think, but will hold off for more references. Bgwhite (talk) 21:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I really thought his military career would make the article notable enough. Hehe, go figure. Like you say, you can put it on AfD to see what everyone else thinks, while I look for other sources to see if I can expand it further. Thanks! Thief12 (talk) 22:45, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Per Military nobility guidelines, he has to receive the Medal of Honor or multiple Distinguished Service Cross medals. A bronze star is around 9th and last on the list of valor medals. Unfortunately, I've deleted multiple people because of this.   Deleting a bronze medal winner while a singer who had a #50 hit does not seem right.  A quick look at Ryan Cleckner seems to have the same problems as Spurlin. Bgwhite (talk) 07:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's ok. I initially thought that Spurlin's military actions were notable enough for Wikipedia. As for Cleckner, I thought that his involvement with several veteran foundations mentioned in Wikipedia would make him notable enough. Like with Spurlin, I'll keep on looking for ways to improve or expand the article. Thief12 (talk) 02:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Please don't add Amazon links to articles as you did at Hiding Place (Selah album). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ichthus: January 2012
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CCM performers
Maybe you would be interested in the discussion going on here: User talk:Boguslavmandzyuk. I'm getting the impression that the people I am talking to contest the notability of CCM performers and Christian music is not important enough to for any of it's less famous performers to be covered here on wikipedia. Personally, I thought I had cleary established the notability of Allan Hall of Selah), but my claims are being flat-out rejected without any consideration and reasons to say why they are wrong, the sources I provide (which are considered valid in every single article, excpet when it comes to Mr. Hall apparently) are being said to have no value, amidst offensive claims that "The Dove awards are pretty much meaningless". --BoguSlav 04:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * And Amazon links are not reliable sources to establish notability. Everybody knows that. Drmies (talk) 04:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bogu! Thanks for bringing the discussion to my attention. As you can see, I contributed with what I could, which unfortunately isn't much. Although I agree that the claim about the Dove Awards being "meaningless" was ludicrous and out of place, as I've read further about Hall, I have to say that I can't find any significant individual notability to his career to warrant his own article, at least according to the Wikipedia standards. Plus, links to the Amazon sales pages of his only solo album aren't good enough. I suggest you look for magazine interviews or articles where his songwriting/producing career is highlighted, particularly outside of Selah. Use this link as a starting point for his contributions and work with other artists, and we'll see where we get from there. Thief12 (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Sorry I haven't responded for so long. I've been pretty busy in real life this past month.
 * Yes. I realize that I amazon might not be the best link now, as I've looked in to Amazon more (I've never tried to sell anything on there before).
 * In this case, it is pretty clear for me that these two users simply have a problem the notablity of Christian music in general. WP:BIO simply states that "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." I've provided quite a few good secondary sources, and they keep demanding more. I've also shown him to be notable separate from Selah as a WP:MUSICBIO, as a WP:COMPOSER, and as a producer with good sources. This looks like their attempt to limit the amount of articles on Christian musicians on wikipedia (WP:POINT). I would appreciate if you helped in the discussion here: Talk: Allan Hall (musician). Cheers :) --BoguSlav 02:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Marko Cheseto


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 * Fails WP:NTRACK as he never competed at the international level. Also, this is a case of WP:ONEEVENT... he wasn't notable before having his feet amputated and the reliable refs are only about this event.

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Silver medal
Thanks for writing Jaime Espinal's bio-the athlete that Puerto Rico had forgotten. I just edited to add the Silver. Pr4ever (talk) 19:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks to you too. I continued to edit the article in a more concise manner, and added an infobox. Thief12 (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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29th House of Representatives of Puerto Rico
Can you please help with 29th House of Representatives of Puerto Rico? &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure! I'll try to get something done tonight or tomorrow. Thief12 (talk) 01:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Party leaders of the Legislative Assembly of Puerto Rico
Please have a look at:


 * Assistant party leaders of the Senate of Puerto Rico
 * Party leaders of the House of Representatives of Puerto Rico
 * Assistant party leaders of the House of Representatives of Puerto Rico

They were all based on your article, Party leaders of the Senate of Puerto Rico.

By the way, the party leaders are not always two. The law states all inscribed parties must be represented. When Víctor García San Inocencio was a Representative he was automatically the House Minority Leader for the PIP. Maria de Lourdes was not because the PIP was not recognized as a party after she was elected because they didn't get enough votes to be reinscribed.

&mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 04:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right. Thanks for the heads-up. I'll check those articles later. Thief12 (talk) 04:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Be careful about posting the ones that got elected as incumbent. Remember, they have not been sworn in yet and there's a lot of stuff going on right now. I would advise that we wait until January 2, 2013, then we can safely state who's who. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 23:08, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Secretary and Serjeant-at-Arms Senate and House
I forgot to mention these too:
 * Secretary of the Senate of Puerto Rico
 * Serjeant-at-Arms of the Senate of Puerto Rico
 * Secretary of the House of Representatives of Puerto Rico
 * Serjeant-at-Arms of the House of Representatives of Puerto Rico

Check them out when you have a chance.

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Recurring collaborators bit
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What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammyjankis88 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback: Carmen Yulín article name
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Articles for Puerto Rico Representatives
Could you give a hand on creating the articles for the Template:29th House of Representatives of Puerto Rico members? It seems you are more well versed in legislative matters and these public servants have a higher priority than former senators. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 01:17, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Damn, good job man. That was quick. Thanks a ton. &mdash;Ahnoneemoos (talk) 03:58, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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User box
You may want to add this one to your user boxes: You deserve it. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:10, 28 December 2012 (UTC)