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Am just about to join you re: logging off. Am trying to work on page numbers (newspapers) and changing refs to harv on Como--think my patience for this detail work is just about at an end for tonight. :-) We hope (talk) 00:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Surprised
I am surprised that as an experience user you are edit waring on 2016 in British television rather than using the talk page. MilborneOne (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm quite surprised to be accused of edit warring, particularly as I haven't broken the three revert rule and don't intend to do so. But I really don't get what your issue is with this topic. If you go through the pages relating to events in British television you'd probably find several similar events reported. Maybe there's a case for a wider discussion on what we should and shouldn't include in these pages, but since few other people seem to be that interested in keeping them properly referenced and up to date, for several years now the decision on what to include has largely fallen to my discretion. Feel free to contribute if you wish, and to help tidy these pages up. To be honest, some help would be very welcome. This is Paul (talk) 16:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I was expecting a discussion when your addition was challenged rather than just add it again, the onus is to gain a consensus to add it. I can appreciate the issues if nobody else supports your efforts, not having read all the in British Television articles but this just seemed to be of no particular note outside of the tabloids in 2016. MilborneOne (talk) 16:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll open the discussion first next time, although I did take care to reference it from a quality source. There's a lot of tabloid stuff I do see during my research that I wouldn't include, such as this. This is Paul (talk) 16:43, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks, I'll take a look, and would be happy to do what I can to help. This is Paul (talk) 22:50, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

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Murder of Celine Figard
Hello, please could you explain why you change "Céline Marie Therese Figard" to "Celine Marie Therese Figard" in the infobox and lead? The source I provided shows a diacritic above the first "e". Plus, on Celine Dion's article, for example, there is a diacritic above the first "e" in the infobox and lead.

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 * Replied on your talk page, since I posted before this message. This is Paul (talk) 18:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Last Whites of the East End
Hi This is Paul, it's been a while since we collaborated on those programmes about the last election.

I've made an outline for a documentary on tonight which is getting a lot of media attention, in case you are interested.

The reception is a bit one-sided right now because it is quite hard to be a critic on a programme which hasn't aired yet.

I put in the external links some articles from level-headed newspapers which can be analysed for content.

Granted by the morning there will be much more content on this programme, from any part of the political spectrum, whether level-headed or vitriolic. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes I feel there could be quite a bit of controversy over this programme, especially as we're fast approaching the referendum, so probably lots of column inches about it will follow in the coming days. I think you've done a good job with what's available, and it looks reasonably good so far. This is Paul (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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Who Pays The Ferryman?
Dear Paul, if the format of the title is bad, please fix it rather than just reverting. You are much more experienced than I at these things. I spent a considerable while looking for an old program and old actor (which turned out to be Who Pays The Ferryman? and Neil McCarthy) and started with "197x in British TV". When I found him and it, I went back to 1977 and found it not there. I was only trying to be helpful in adding it. Regards, 90.255.27.73 (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2016 (UTC) (Andy Steward).
 * ✅. What I think went wrong is you copied and pasted the page title from the URL (hence the appearance of %3F) rather than from the page heading. For future reference, if you add titles like example A rather than example B it should be ok. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Example A: Who Pays the Ferryman? (1977)
 * Example B: Who Pays the Ferryman? (1977)

Thank You, Paul, for the edit and also TFI90.255.27.73 (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2016 (UTC) (Andy)

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To do list for 6 June 2016
Reflinks not working at present. Need to process the following pages to which have added bare urls:


 * 2016 in British television
 * Matthew Scott (police commissioner)

✅ on 10 June.

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Kathryn Holloway
Kathryn Holloway is a disambiguation. The Kathryn Holloway (police commissioner) article needs to be created. Bleaney (talk) 22:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll do it just now. This is Paul (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

To do list for 7 June 2016
Created basic stubs for the following officeholders, but sources are needed:


 * Jason Ablewhite
 * John-Paul Campion
 * Hardyal Dhindsa
 * Lorne Green
 * Alison Hernandez
 * Roger Hirst
 * Kathryn Holloway (police commissioner)
 * Keith Hunter (police commissioner)
 * Marc Jones (police commissioner)
 * David Keane (police commissioner)
 * Michael Lane (police commissioner)

✅ on 8 June.

Also need to run the following through Reflinks once it is up and running again (expected on or after 10 June):


 * Stephen Mold

✅ on 10 June.

For now though, it's late and sleep beckons. This is Paul (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of John-Paul Campion


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To do list for 8 June 2016
The following articles now need to be run through Reflinks

✅ on 10 June.
 * Jason Ablewhite
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 * Alison Hernandez
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To do list for 9 June 2016
The following pages need to be run through Reflinks once it is up and running again:

✅ on 10 June.
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Adele
Rather than resorting to threats, it would be helpful to address the issue. Like how edits are ignoring Adele's own self-identification as British and reliable sources such as the BBC, The Guardian and the Telegraph. Which you requested to back up the edit of Adele being British. Erzan (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


 * At first the edit was archived as British. Secondly the edit from English to British was undone by yourself on the grounds of lacking credible sources. Strange since the youtube video was accepted before, by yourself from reading the archives. Thirdly such sources were given and now the disagreement is on the lack of consensus, which has only occurred as a result of your edits. Can you see how it appears the source of disagreement from my perspective appears to have changed? Will the fact that Adele self identifies on video and from various credible sources as British be addressed? thank you. Erzan (talk) 17:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * When someone from the UK self refers themselves as British, English, Welsh or so on. The rule is to respect their self-identification. I can get outside opinion if needed, but we can just save time. Erzan (talk) 03:08, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You do need to gain consensus, particularly as you have a history of tendency towards tendentious editing. This is Paul (talk) 10:41, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Reflinks
Please be careful with your scripts, the reflinks script keep undoing Thank you,   Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 22:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's strange. I think it must be doing that because Member of Parliament (UK) is a redirect. If so then the software needs to be tweaked. Having said that, either takes you to the same place. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not about ending up at the same place, it's about not using a redirect when it's not needed. Please repair the links before saving a "reflinks" edit, or contact the author of the script and have it fixed. Cheers,  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 23:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll contact them by all means, but am wondering why you haven't done it. You obviously spotted it earlier. This is Paul (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * can I draw your attention to this post which basically reaffirms my original thoughts. I've mentioned the issue to, who will hopefully have a solution, but in the meantime I guess this is something we'll just have to live with, unless you can suggest an alternative gadget that doesn't tweak the redirects. This is Paul (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Recent undo
Sorry, that edit summary was part mistake. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:39, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries, though I've always been under the impression we should source direct quotes with a reference straight after the quote, especially with something like this. Although the quote is definitely included in the RTÉ News article (I've just double checked to be sure), I've copied the Guardian ref from the end of the line, so hopefully that will be fine. This is Paul (talk) 13:48, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine, thanks. There's a lot of media quoting only part of it, which I could have sworn was also the case with RTE when I looked at it, but obviously not. Anyway reference = good, reference clutter = not so good. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:55, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. I did hear on a radio news bulletin earlier that magistrates asked him to repeat the phrase, which he did so, although the only source I can find making reference to it so far is The Daily Express, so probably not one we want to use. This is Paul (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If you're interested, about half way down. -- zzuuzz (talk) 14:24, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll have a look at adding it. This is Paul (talk) 14:28, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Kezia Dugdale
Hi Paul

I was doing a batch of ref-organising edits to Kezia Dugdale when I had an edit conflict with a edit by you.

Your change seemed minor compared with my bigger one, so I saved my edit, overwriting yours ... thinking that I would go back and reinstate your change.

However, when I checked I saw that what your edit had actually done was the change the title of a referencced article: Scottish Labour agree to swathe of party reforms – and new leader will be announced on August 15th. You changed that to "will be announced on 15 August".

Wikipedia's style guides doesn't apply to quoted text, which should not be changed in this way. The original should be reproduced verbatim, regardless of any stylistic flaws in the original.

It apears that you may be using some sort of script. If so, please can you stop using it to alter quoted text? Thanks, -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:54, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The one I noticed, and wanted it to change was "Dugdale was a keynote speaker at the May 14th, 2016 Progress' Annual Conference", but I will confess I didn't spot the in-headline date, or that it had been changed. My bad. This is Paul (talk) 17:59, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Maybe slow down a bit with the script? That sort of error is hard to spot and fix afterwards. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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An automated thank you wouldn't be enough
So here's a written thank you for including the new article in the 2016 events list. It is very much appreciated. -- PatientZero talk  17:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Chime in on this RfC?
Hi. Would you be willing to weigh in on this RfC regarding genres at Axis: Bold as Love? There's been little input, and the RfC's been relisted a few times to encourage more discussion. Dan56 (talk) 18:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy to take a look, but the link you posted generates a 404 Error. This is Paul (talk) 18:23, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Sockpuppets?
Hi User:This is Paul. I am not sure we have ever interacted. Did you realise we have apparently been accused of being sockpuppets of one another? Check it out at my talk page. --John (talk) 14:49, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

To do list for 25 June 2016
Reflinks is down again; run the following through it once it is repaired:


 * 25 (Adele album)

✅ on 26 June.

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Most Pathetic Subscription Award
The Most Pathetic Subscription Award must go to the Irish Medical Times for something that occurred to me this evening. While looking for updated information on junior health minister Helen McEntee just now, I found this article in Google News and clicked on it. Up came a dialog box asking me if I was a medical professional. When I truthfully answered no, the dialog box briefly disappeared before returning with the following message: "This site contains information, news and advice for healthcare professionals. You have informed us that you are not a healthcare professional and therefore we are unable to provide you with access to this site." The dialog box could not be removed, and reloading the page didn't reset the question, but I then loaded the article from a different browser. Answering yes to the question made the dialog box disappear, and there was nothing else. No request to pay a subscription fee, or even to register. Just something I thought others might wish to know. This is Paul (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
The comment that you have left me is utterly bizzare. You can hardly provide a source for something that she has not said - and that is my point: Ruth Smeeth has still not addressed the substance of the speaker's allegation, which is that she collaborated with the Daily Telegraph. Perhaps you would care to add a sentence showing that she HAS responded to the speaker's claim and to add a link to your source? I look forward to seeing it. The article, as it stands, with your undoing my edit leaves the matter of the allegation raised entirely unresolved for readers. Simply saying that she complained that the allegation was anti-semitic says nothing about whether she did or did not collaborate with a mainstream, conservative newspaper and what her response is. She has not answered the allegation and that is what is pointed out. Can you please provide a source link showing that she has? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 16:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What a jerk. This is Paul (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
You keep-on undoing my edits, using the excuse that my information is unsourced. I have included my source in my edit, and here it is for your own reference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/sanity-shami-chakrabarti-ruth-smeeth-affair/. "Ms Smeeth’s statement contains one stark dishonesty. She puts “media conspiracy” in inverted commas, when Mr Wadsworth did not use the phrase, or even either of those two words separately. Ms Smeeth appears to have deliberately misrepresented what Mr Wadsworth said, which I presume she checked"

Craig Murray is a former senior British diplomat, ambassador and media commentator. My source is cited and it is sound. You seem absolutely determined to control the dialogue on a contetious issue.but you have no valid reason for undoing my edit which points-out a factualy inaccuracy in Ruth Smeeth's statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 18:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
Craig Murray's statement that the speaker did not use the term "media conspiracy" is factually correct and the blog article includes a link to the video of the speaker, Marc Wadsworth, making his comments. Are you arguing that his statement "She puts “media conspiracy” in inverted commas, when Mr Wadsworth did not use the phrase, or even either of those two words separately. Ms Smeeth appears to have deliberately misrepresented what Mr Wadsworth said, which I presume she checked" is incorrect? Can you cite a source showing Marc Wadsworth mentioning a "media conspiracy"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 18:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If you want this information to be added then the onus is on you to find it, and to do so from a reliable source. On your talk page I have already mentioned some examples of the sources we would require. If none of them mention this then neither do we. This is Paul (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
I have referred the matter of your repeated reversion of my edits to Admin, including for violation of 3RR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 19:29, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh...Nice... :) This is Paul (talk) 19:33, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Ruth Smeeth page
My source is the video of the episode that is posted on the website of The Independent, as I have noted in my post to admin. That is a sufficiently credible source to be cited on Wikipedia. I was prepared to accept that your intitial deletion might have been due to your questioning the source, but that is clearly not the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.139.7.160 (talk) 23:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

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The traffic on ANI, unrelated to our stuff, is sufficiently heavy that it's drowning out everything else I'm interested in, particularly when I view it on an iPad. I'm therefore going to unwatch it. If you add anything further I would appreciate it if you'd ping me. Gravuritas (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC) Gravuritas (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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 * Helen McEntee

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Murder of Celine Figard
Hi, This is Paul. I remember your edit summary for the removal of Figard's full name and birth date,. Do you remember the name of the source or anything? Maybe I could look for it in the Wayback Machine. Cheers! Linguist 111 Please reply on the current talk page and ping me by typing    before your message as a courtesy 14:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Sadly I can't remember where it was. I do remember finding a name though, and a date of birth, but it was a few years ago now. Maybe the French version of the GRO might have something we can use. This is Paul (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Found this and this. The second one has questionable reliability to me, though.  Linguist 111  Please reply on the current talk page and ping me by typing    before your message as a courtesy 14:57, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The second one seems to be from a Wiki, but I'm wondering if that's the one I found back in 2012. I probably decided not to cite it as I was putting the article forward for GAN, although I had no reason to think the birth date and middle names were wrong so included them. At least we can add a date of birth from the death registration. The middle names are less important. This is Paul (talk) 15:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If you go to this site and type "Figard" in the search box, there is a record that matches those above, and comes with a birth place. I don't know how we can cite it though, because it has no URL. Linguist 111  Please reply on the current talk page and ping me by typing    before your message as a courtesy 15:18, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Must admit I'm not sure about that one. This is Paul (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

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Amusing errors worth noting
I wanted to template this with Not a ballot because of the number of new and/or occasional editors posting on the page, but ended up posting it here instead, at a completely unrelated AFD from 2008. So what happened? I can only think I started to type Nationalisation of British railways controversies, and placed too much faith in predictive search. Where's my brain? I must have left it hanging on a hook somewhere. This is Paul (talk) 18:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2016
Hello This is Paul,

Could you let me know what you felt was unreliable about my sources?

They included: The BBC The Financial Times YouGov CorbynFacts and The Huffington Post

For example, the statement that Labour supporters voted 65% for Remain is found in the YouGov article, which has been quoted widely throughout the media, so if there were a source you would prefer me to quote, please let me know!

Another example, data was provided by the financial times on how each constituency voted, you can check by clicking the link.

I have read through the citation page, and could only see information on how to cite, nothing suggesting that my sources were unrelaiable. Perhaps you took a problem with my use of automatically generated citations?

If you could enlighten me as to why you thought these are unreliable sources, or perhaps, if I have mis-cited these sources you could explain how I have done so, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, djdan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djdan4961 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Most of the sources were fine, but I think the use of Corbynfacts should probably be avoided, since it appears to be a pro-Corbyn site designed to argue his stance. I reverted the earlier edit in which you described the events preceding the leadership election as an attempted political coup, which is not really neutral language and should not be in the article. I'm not sure how helpful it actually is to highlight the percentage of people who voted for and against Brexit in each of the candidates' constituencies. Whoever wins the contest would be arguing on a national platform anyway, so the only figures that really matter are those relating to the UK as a whole, or at regional level. Having said that, some of the information added is useful, so if you wanted to start a discussion on the talk page we could gauge the opinion of others and filter out all the unnecessary stuff. This is Paul (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Abuse and intimidation section of Scottish Independence Referendum
Hi This is Paul.

OK, I will remove the Daily Mail source from that section and use other sources. Please do not simply remove the section, however. I think it adds to the article, and has been removed by several people already who have simply added that 'the referendum was mostly peaceful' (without citing any sources). I am getting the feeling that this being removed because it is something people don't want to hear, rather than for any reasons of its factual inaccuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.147.171.189 (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Issue 18, June–July 2016 by, Ocaasi, Samwalton9, UY Scuti, and Sadads

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 * New donations - Edinburgh University Press, American Psychological Association, Nomos (a German-language database), and more!
 * Spotlight: GLAM and Wikidata
 * TWL attends and presents at International Federation of Library Associations conference, meets with Association of Research Libraries
 * OCLC wins grant to train librarians on Wikimedia contribution