User talk:Thisthat2011/Archive 1

Great Work!!

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I saw your recent contributions and think you are doing a great work. However, some of your edits have been out of context and may be seen as POV pushing. I would recommend you discuss with other editors on talkpage of the article if required and place references in context. I have placed a welcome link on your talkpage. Move it to the top of talkpage as it might be useful.Contact me if you need help and keep up the good work.--UplinkAnsh (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thisthat2011 (talk) 22:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

April 2011
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Please give link to referred topic for better understanding. Thanks. Thisthat2011 (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * . Do not try to disparage the background of others.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:18, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

If you are referring to "narendra modi's mother tongue" topic then I dont consider that as personal attack. That Narendra Modi is Gujarati and talks in Gujarati is a fact as true as daylight. It just means that the user has not understood that the language is called Gujarati is all. It is acknowledged the fact that the user has another mother tongue which can be as good and culturally rich. In no sense it is disparaging.
 * It is still a personal attack. Instead of saying something like that, please explain to the user exactly what he/she said wrong, and cite your sources.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok done.

Your recent edits
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Jasper Deng (talk) 23:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * Could you specify please where I have indulged in Edit war? In two topics [Slavery] and [Alexander the great] the edits were hardly from one line or more. When edits were reverted, it was decided later that a consensus is needed and no edits are done after that. And how long could a block without notice last, considering it looks imminent? Please note that most of my edits are in talk pages and not at all currently on Wikipedia pages and still I am getting this message. Thisthat2011 (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Slavery.Jasper Deng (talk) 19:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I was not familiar with edit behavior, and it has ended up with just one out of 4 edits though I was also not too familiar with source differentiation etc. Though after that has been made clear, I have not made any edits except in talk pages.Thisthat2011 (talk) 20:23, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This warning is old. It was because of Slavery.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:32, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Copy/paste from the internet
Please see WP:COPYRIGHT and do avoid copy/pasting large blocks of text from copyrighted sources. Thank you. Materialscientist (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * ok Thisthat2011 (talk) 08:37, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Tibet. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. HXL's Roundtable  and  Record  12:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Could you point to which edits this information message refers to please? Thisthat2011 (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study
Welcome to Wikipedia. I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes. cooldenny (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ok done. Thisthat2011 (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Hinduism
The issue is not the information, but the source. Wikipedia's reliable sourcing guidelines (link to them here) do not allow user-generated sources (such as wikidot websites), nor do they allow self-published sources (such as tripod pages). I recommend looking on Google Books for a source (just make sure the publisher is not a pay-to-print publisher like Lulu.com). None of the sources in the Christianity article are from self-published sources. As you see here, I removed a spam link that would count as a self-published source if it was used as a source in the article). The authors of that article's sources had to get approval from someone else to get those books published.  Self-published does not mean that the author is a Hindu, Christian, or whatever.  Self-published means the author published by himself, and had noone to make sure he was publishing good material.  I highly recommend studying the reliable sourcing guidelines for more information. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess this is a good source here. If this can be considered as one, do let me know please so I can make changes.Thisthat2011 (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is a good source. The book comes from a company that specializes in academic works, so the author's work would have been scrutinized. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Notice
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Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
Please note that it is not appropriate to change disputed sections without consensus. Please continue in discussion at the talk page.  Yes Michael? •Talk 17:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ok.Thisthat2011 (talk) 17:35, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Sanskrit Wikipedia
You seem to be quite knowledgeable in Sanskrit. Have you considered contributing to the Sanskrit Wikipedia? Regards,  Yes Michael? •Talk 14:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to. I will see what I can do about it.सततम् कर्यम् समकर कर्म I असक्तॊ ही अकरण कर्म 14:46, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We need knowledgeable editors like you. Hope to see you there!  Yes Michael? •Talk 16:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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 * ok thanks.असक्ताह सततम्, कार्यम् कर्म समाच्रर | असक्तॊ ही अचरण कर्म 12:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit war? or removal of sourced content?
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. You have been continuing to add personal commentary in various articles and/or sourcing dubious content to unreliable sources, please refrain from doing that. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You are accusing me of something for which there is a sourced content. You are removing the sourced content and then accusing me of "adding personal commentary" though not a single word of the content is my own. Please desist from deleting referenced content and then accusing. It is vandalism and there is a topic in discussion board Talk:Christianity_in_India here as well. Please mention your concerns on the discussion board...असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 07:37, 29 April 2011 (UTC).

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Babri mosque. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Christianity in India. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively. In particular, the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.


 * This goes the same for you. My content addition are well sourced. I am fine for going to noticeboard but don't deleted well-sourced content without discussion board. The links addresses tell a lot about what is mentioned in the words. I would like to escalate this for matter which is indeed well sourced. I have also mentioned where to discuss this on discussion page...असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 07:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The links that you add do not qualify as WP:RS and the content you keep adding is your personal commentary. You are welcome to take it to any noticeboard you wish. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * How is this my personal commentary. Tell me which words. How are the links for Ashrams maintained by Christians themselves are my commentary?..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 07:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Your signature
Hello. I saw your posts at ANI and noticed that your signature does not contain any links. Per policy, you need to include a link in your signature back to your user page, usertalk page, or contributions. Please see this or contact me for assistance. Thanks —DoRD (talk) 11:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * check.असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 12:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Additionally, your sig consists of yellow text (difficult to see on a white background), and no Latin (English) alphabet letters, making it hard for someone looking at your sig to figure out that it's you. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it thanks..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 06:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Ganges
did you know what you just did there. i believe you owe an apology to Pfly. --CarTick (talk) 11:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * ok. I never know things can go out of way so suddenly. I actually put my understanding before apology, hope it helps...असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 11:50, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you look at this ? I suggest you watch that page.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 12:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

April 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Banking in Switzerland do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. OSbornarfcontribs. 17:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Some links.
Temple architechture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_temple_architecture

List of noticeboards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_noticeboards..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 21:38, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh for consensus
Hi, it seems that discussion for Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh is not going anywhere, not because of consensus, but because of no consensus is claimed, in spite of 3 different users saying so. The reasons are given and are finally replies are a new question: Extending Biographies of living people to organisations? ..., I think you have answered your own question! ... For other organisations, go to the respective page/talk page... and so on; In spite of giving reasons. So I would like to know where are the ironclad rules for first line of an organization? Where is the rule that usual principles can not be extended to first line of an organization? I would request to set a standard for organizations and as such. Also I would like to know what to do in cases where in the name of consensus, no effort is made to form a consensus but all efforts are made just to claim no consensus, a similar behavior is noticed here also. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:India#No_consensus_in_the_secondary_and_tertiary_sources_for_India_also_Bharat.

.असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 21:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC) :: Can someone give a list of things to do for this matter to request an arbitration please? Thanks..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 06:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi thisthat2011. I'm a clerk for the Arbitration Committee and have moved your post here as it was in the wrong place.
 * ArbCom doesn't get involved in content disputes, and this appears to be a content dispute. You've got several options but you need to only use one at a time. If you think that this is primarily a BLP issue, you can go to the WP:BLPN and raise your concerns there. If you think it is a sourcing issue, we have WP:RSN. It occurs to me that there may be NPOV problems and we have WP:NPOVN for discussing those.
 * We also have dispute resolution venues WP:DR.
 * Another suggestion would be to raise a request for comment on the issue - see WP:RFC concerning where text should be placed.
 * It's up to you to decide what you want to do. Dougweller (talk) 09:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. 08:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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Warning
Following my request on your talk page about disruption by continual repeating your comments, you have continued to repeat the comments so unless it concerns a request for comment then to keep repeating your comment will be considered disruptive and you may have your editing rights restricted. MilborneOne (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Despite my request not to keep repeating your points at Talk:India you have repeated them again today. Although we assume good faith your continually making the same points is clearly disruptive, it may be worth reading the Request for comment page for instructions if you wish to gain further views on the subject, but to keep repeating your comments will be seen as being disruptive and you may have your editing rights restricted. MilborneOne (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * As far as name Bharat is considered, I have pointed out with reasons from my side, instead of opposing it again and again unreasonably, and therefore not disruptive according to me. Though, I can see that apparently no weight is been given here for reasons.
 * As I have pointed out on your page, the repetition is because of repeated assertions from other users. As it is, it is a talk page, not main page India. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  Humour Thisthat2011  21:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I can understand your frustration, you have a point to make and nobody is saying that you cant have a view and make suggestions to improve the article. The request to include Bharat in the lead has not been supported by a number of editors, although other editors have supported it. The default for the article is to stay the same unless you can gain a consensus on the talk page. It is not for other editors to show why it should change but for you to raise points why it should. The problem with repeating the points is that the opinion of the other editors on the talk page is not changed by repeating it, which is why it is seen as disruptive. Editors then get frustrated and it can lead to bad behaviour by other editors which we really dont want. My suggestion is that you will not get support on the talk page no matter what you say but as I am sure you believe you have a valid suggestion then it is better to get other editors involved to see if a wider audience supports your views. The best method is to create a request for comment, you can follow the instructions on the Requests for comment page, it also suggested an automated page to make it easier at RfC posting tool. What then happens is that other editors/users see the notice for comments and some of them will not have visited the India page before so will read your suggestion with no preset ideas and give an opinion one way or another. As it is a bit of a stalemate on the talk page so this will get others involved and allow you to get more comments. I appreciate that I dont agree with your suggestion but that doesnt mean you dont have the right to gain more views, if you have any questions then please ask on this page and I will try and help. MilborneOne (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for being harsh
Hello, I'm sorry if I've been harsh at Talk:India. I had been aware of some conflict over there but had been ignoring it until seeing the "request for comments". My comments over there are meant in the best of faith and encouragement. Also, I just saw on your main user page, "Susu - hope it increases their numbers and reduced pollution, fishing and division into isolated groups because of barrages." That is a sentiment I can wholeheartedly agree with, and was pleased to see. You call the dolphins "Susu"? We don't have dolphins where I live, but there are some Orcas, which are somewhat similar and hugely impressive. There are a huge number of dams where I live, to the great detriment of the aquatic species, mostly salmon. It's a perennial issue here. While I mourn the devastation of the salmon and the natural rivers, I am also pleased that my electricity comes from hydropower rather than coal or nuclear plants. I realize that the Indian barrages are not usually major hydroelectric producers, and if they are harmful to the dolphins that is a shame. Dolphins are so much more intelligent and conscious than salmon! Anyway, just wanted to post here to let you know I don't meant to be overly harsh over at Talk:India--more just trying to be helpful. Pfly (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Susu' is kind of phonetic. The dolphin comes up to water surface every 30 minutes for breathing and generates such a sound, the locals therefore refer to it so.
 * Onomatopoeia is probably a better term than phonetic. Cool! Pfly (talk) 12:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What I do understand is that the dolphins live in fresh water, therefore their presence/site is appreciated. The dolphins are therefore somewhat indicative of pure water flow hence some symbolism is involved. As the dams reduce the flow of water and decrease passive capacity of water to take pollution away to the sea, not to mention cut away path of migrations etc. As it is, every time there are talks of building hydro power plants on Ganga, there is this issue of migratory species being affected. There is a lot of money involved and so the issue effectively also is delicately poised against dwindling population of the dolphins. As social mammal(social animal have much better chance of surviving in society and comparatively little chance alone), there are a lot of efforts made to increase their numbers; but as mentioned there are some natural issues(low birth rate) and some man made(catching for oil etc., barrages) that are coming in the way big time. As it is, dolphins are extremely friendly and intelligent, though Ganga dolphin has diminished eye sight(as eyesight is not needed in muddy waters), has evolved to live entirely on sound reflections(echo) & does not respond to sight of tourists etc. I appreciate your concern about the dolphins.
 * On a side note, I was wondering if a dam could be constructed a little away from water flow so that the normal flow is not obstructed, etc. but that is just me talking loud.
 * I do envy you your dolphins. We have similar issues here, but focused on salmon. Salmon are a hugely important historical thing here, but if it was dolphins I imagine there would be little opposition to all-out preservation efforts. I have a hard time imaging fresh water dolphins, as I've never seen any. The closest I've come is the salt water orcas around here, which are clearly quite different.
 * Well, I guess Ganga dolphins have evolved in such manner. In India, dolphin preservation would indeed be slow. It is a rare species and it is sadly not able to stand up in these times. ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  Humour Thisthat2011  12:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, it looks like you are fluent to some degree in Sanskrit. That is one of the few connections I have with India. A good friend of mine in college took courses in Sanskrit, and through her I acquired a great appreciation, and gained a huge fascination with the language. If you are fluent in it, or at least can read it, I envy you. Pfly (talk) 11:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not too fluent in Sanskrit, but Sanskrit is easy because it is phonetic. In India, people learn Hindi and therefore know how to read Sanskrit words as Hindi and Sanskrit follow the same script. Also, most of the languages in India, including Sanskrit, are all phonetic - so you write what you speak which helps a lot in education. The communication becomes then mostly about ideas and not pronunciations(the entire pronunciations of Sanskrit can be explained as combination of parts in brief, for example Sanskrit section). I am no scholar in Sanskrit at all, but it grammar is very logical, and so people tend to understand the structure well. A lot of Hindu literature is written in Sanskrit, and other Indian languages.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This makes me think of the place of Latin among European languages. Latin is likewise phonetic, at leat in its classical form. For those who know French, Spanish, and especially Italian, Latin is not too hard to decipher. I've often heard Latin and Sanskrit compared, but wow it is hard for a European-American to learn Sanskrit! The alphabet/syllabarary (whatever it ought to be called) is hard enough! The main thing I recall being hard for my friend to learn about Sanskrit was the ligatures. ...good night. Pfly (talk) 12:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * To learn Sanskrit, one has to understand phonetic groups. For example - ta tha da dha na - these five consonants are spoken in mutually similar phonetic manner and therefore grouped together; or another example - pa pha ba bha ma - these five consonants are grouped together similarly. In all there are 7 such consonant groups, and 14 vowels - each with individual phonetic. That's a good start!<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing
Just a note, that asking other users on talk pages to participate in a discussion such as you did here is frowned upon, and can often be seen as WP:CANVASSING. If you do feel the need to notify other editors about the conversation, it is best to say you have done so on the talkpage where the conversation is happening. Cheers, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess thats called Consensus, with different facets like Consensus building and blocking etc. (See also  See also).
 * Note the part there Soliciting opinions, which is not WP:CANVASSING. Everyone does some WP:CANVASSING to an extent, for example  by user MikeLynch; and I don't see anyone warning that guy now, can you?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  16:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am sorry; how does that particular edit count as canvassing? Please explain your allegation; or else read WP:CANVAS properly.  Yes Michael? •Talk 16:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the message. Instead of requesting comments, the message from your side just says 'this does not look peoper :)'. Now that is not too neutral, is it?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe that NPOV is not applicable to talk page comments.  Yes Michael? •Talk 17:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not know regarding which part of WP:CANVAS you accuse me of violation, please avoid making unsubstantiated allegations in the future. Thank you.  Yes Michael? •Talk 17:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * How is this not canvassing? And if it is, what is the big deal?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  19:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I am asking you how that comes under WP:CANVAS. Quote the relevant section from WP:CANVAS.  Yes Michael? •Talk 07:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Inappropriate notification - in perticular "Campaigning: Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner" considering these edit.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:26, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was not asking him to participate in any discussion. Period. It was just an informal note from my side. Anyway, I'm no longer interested in defending myself, since I gain nothing from convincing you that I was right. Have a good day.  Yes Michael? •Talk 07:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Likewise. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:36, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I know soliciting opinions is not canvassing, which is why I told you that to tell people you were soliciting you should note that on the talk page. I have no idea what Mike Lynch has done, I only noticed you, so I informed you of the policy. That was not a warning, it was a goodfaith offering of advise. If you don't take it, that's your problem. Don't treat wikipedia like a WP:BATTLEGROUND, it is not. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Frankly, it is yet to be a favorable message in case you wonder if these edits could generate a favorable response or not, for what I have seen it may or may not. The message I have put requests comments and does not say what to tell in the discussion, etc.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Copypaste and likely copyvio
You have copied and pasted substantial portions of the article Maratha War of Independence from the (Hindu nationalist) web site voi.org. I have tagged the article with a copypaste template, which means that what you have done might be a violation of copyright laws and, therefore, against Wikipedia policy. If you have done the same on other Wikipedia pages, please voluntarily revert your edits and begin afresh by paraphrasing the content in accordance with Wikipedia rules. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  09:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, the source links are given in the reference section of the page. more about the author here from a blog on Wall Street Journal, as he is a blogger of some repute I take. Though it is not from a book so I have removed anything other than chronological aspect.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म..  <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  04:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Referencing does not greatly affect Copyvio. You can never copy the text from another source, as that would be plagiarism. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 05:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The text was correctly removed. Thisthat, please see WP:COPYPASTE which gives guidance on copying text from one website and pasting it into Wikipedia. Referencing the information doesn't alleviate copyright problems. If you have any questions, let me know.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

India i.e Bharat
Hi ThisThat! I have seen your posts on the talk page of the article on India and really appreciate the fact the you are trying to contribute seriously. However, it seems that the discussion has become a bit dragging of late. A look at the discussion gives me an impression that there's, at this point at least, not much support for the changes that you are proposing in the naming. I would like to therefore request you that you step back for a while and contribute to other articles. May be you can revisit this after a considerable time has elapsed and gauge the opinion pattern then. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 09:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope as a responsible admin, you have also warned others who just maintain that 'Bharat is not an English name of India' and keep disrupting the discussion even when the discussion itself if going on, thus starting and ending with the same assumptions without considering the entire discussion in between.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:05, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Warning
Just to repeat the warnings that you have had already for disruptive behaviour, it was suggested that you try a request for comment. It is clear from the comments that nobody supports a change to the lead so it is really time to leave this alone. Shovon76 makes a good suggestion that you use your enthusiasm and knowledge and concentrate on other subjects. If you keep repeating the same comments again and again we may not have any choice but to stop you editing for a while as it is clearly disruptive to the project. I would rather that you do other work but note after all the warnings that you have had here and on the Talk:India page you may not get another warning. Please consider. MilborneOne (talk) 11:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope as a responsible admin, you have also warned others who just maintain that 'Bharat is not an English name of India' and keep disrupting the discussion repetitively -and therefore inviting repeated rebuttals - even when the discussion itself is going on, thus starting and ending with the same assumptions without considering the entire discussion in between.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Shiva
"Wikipedia policy (WP:IG) discourages galleries of random images of the article subject". -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the gallery here is well-marked with information and links to pages needed. If some images look out of the labels, please point out which ones.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  16:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "Images are typically interspersed individually throughout an article near the relevant text (see WP:MOSIMAGES). However, the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject. Images in a gallery should be suitably captioned to explain their relevance both to the article subject and to the theme of the gallery, and the gallery should be appropriately titled (unless the theme of the gallery is clear from the context of the article). Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made."
 * We already have individual images of Gangadhara, with Parvati, Ardhanarishvara, as Yogishvara. There are several other aspects of Shiva (at least 108 iconographical ones in South India); all of which can not be listed and/or illustrated in the article, only some prominent depictions are enough.
 * "Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the above paragraph or moved to Wikimedia Commons." -- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Well the thing is that it is a bit untidy to present all pictures in articles, where there may not be sufficient place and it would clutter the page presentation. I assumed that a well-labeled gallery could put more pics just so as to reinforce meaning, generality and give some specific information per picture - thereby balancing general v/s specific difference to an extent.
 * As it is, I agree that it is not possible to present all forms but just a few. Though that should not prevent from making a good start and hopefully the gallery will become more exhaustive.
 * My 2 paise.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  21:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Ya. It is fine to create gallery on commons and link it from the wikipedia temple. Galleries can be used in wikipedia but they should be small and used to illustrate specific features of the subject. Multiple galleries in each relevant section can be used in Hindu temple architecture to illustrate specific features of Hindu temple architecture, but a huge gallery at the end has no meaning. See Taj Mahal where the policy of gallery is followed in spirit IMO. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:28, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

RSS Image
Hi, about the image you put back, you might want to have a look at the discussion on Talk:Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh. Although there is no policy barring you from putting back the image, you might want to have a look at the discussion.  Lynch 7  11:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks! <font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Mundeswari Temple
Why not! Can you manage to get some pictures so that the same can be uploaded and used in the infobox.-- Nvvchar . 23:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC) There is a reference under see also which gives pictures loaded on Piccassa album by Asit Sinha. Can you request him to release these pictures under free license by changing the license tag? Without good pictures the article will not draw attention of people.-- Nvvchar . 01:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks!<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  13:49, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have rearranged the text and reordered the references as per the prescribed format. Picasso pictorial url is shifted to external links and referencing each Picasso picture to the main text is not allowed in the text part. Please ensure that in your future articles the reference format is strictly followed or otherwise the article would be rejected on the DYK. Also, use this format  for referencing of google books. Can you think of an interesting hook which is duly referenced for nomination on the DYK? If you can manage a picture with free license attribution, it will add to the get up of the article. Also, pl record your observations on my talk page.-- Nvvchar . 01:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Will surely do. Thank you very much for your efforts and for clarity.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, I have got following message from --Arun Sinha, whom I contacted:
 * Message
 * Dear Sir,
 * Thank you for your interest in my web album. None of the images are too personal and can be used under free license as per policy on Wikipedia. However source of these pictures should be displayed.
 * Thanks
 * (End of message)
 * Now how do I include images from the album here, though I wouldn't like to consider images that have personalities and instead have the topic at hand well considered.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As now posted, they cannot be transferred to Wikicommons. Request him to change the license tag on his pictures to free use tag as per Wikicommons requirements. He can do this by clicking on the edit symbol on his pictures license tag (Rights Reserved). It should be only an Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported, 2.5 Generic, 2.0 Generic and 1.0 Generic license. If not he should send an email with url address authorizing you to upload to Wikicommons his pictures without any license issues.-- Nvvchar . 13:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * An unregistered user has posted an img in the info box, which looks nice now. I have nominated the article on DYK of 3rd June. If you want a different hook text you may add it now. I hope on these lines you would be able to post more DYKs in the future on iNdian subjects of your interest. Cheers -- Nvvchar . 13:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thats great! I have contacted Mr. Arun Sinha by mail, expecting a reply in some time as per his convenience. By the way, what is a 'hook'? Is is something that attracts and catches attention?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  13:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, please read the details given at the top of DYK suggestions page and also instructions and strict rules on how to suggest a hook. Follow the procedure followed by others who have posted DYKs. With time you will be an expert.-- Nvvchar . 02:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Your first DYK is through and should appear on the main page in the next few days. Cheers.-- Nvvchar . 12:47, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Jaya He!
 * Thank you very much for all the clarity provided. You could have added it as your own DYK but for your large hearted efforts are indeed inspiring.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  14:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Your first DYK will appear on main space on 14th at 13.30 as a lead with the img. Congrats.-- Nvvchar . 15:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Ramlila_ground_protests
Please stop disruptive editing.Provide summary of every edit you make.Additionally try to do all edits in one go rather than several edits(if possible).You can use preview feature.Thanks.--abhishek (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I am done thanks.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  09:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Criticism in World Vision
Somebody has deleted a part of criticism put in by you in the article World Vision without explanation. I'm not familiar with that incident in India so I can not judge here and did not revert. --MTYM (talk) 05:35, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:31, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

India page
Someone unreasonably removed the map of the Mauryan Empire on India article/ history section. (69.115.82.63 (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC))
 * ok, thanks.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mundeshwari Temple
Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a LOT!<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You cannot add to the DYK Que page. It is done only by the administrator after it is approved on the suggestion page by reviewers. You have to first add your article on the suggestion page under the date that you have created the article. It should be fully referenced, evry paragraph and also figures. The text for the hook in the article should also be definitely referenced in the main text only or otherwise it would be rejected. The length of the text should be more than 1600 ch without references, headings and Infobox. If an Infobox is added, it;'/ will add to the value of the article. Use minimum of images and be brief in writing the text for the same. Instructions for posting on the page are given at the head of the Suggestion Page. Please read it carefully before posting. Aslo read rules for DYK.-- Nvvchar . 02:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Please...
Thought you might be interested... p. williams is a non RS for an article on Hinduism. His field is buddhism. he has not written any peer reviewed book on Hinduism which has been published by a university press. Actually, he has not even written any books on Hinduism, as such, he is a non RS for the article. Hinduism is not his field. It is not his field of expertise. In this situation, how can he be construed to be an RS on Hinduism. The book on "buddhist thought" is also totally off-topic for the article. It is about Buddhism, not about Hinduism. as such, the book is also non-RS. Looking into WP:RS and WP:V, it would be easy to show two dozen different reasons why this citation is worthless. But, these two points would be sufficient to nuke the p.w. citation. it is likely that "brainy" christian POV eds who are only around to create mischief will refuse to accept these points. In that situation, don't argue with them and post the question "Is p.w. an RS for some point related to Hinduism" on WP:RSN. You should get the desired answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.57.226 (talk) 16:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying. Thanks for the info.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Notification of WP:AN/EW report
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Edit warring
Hello, please stop edit warring, and just talk it over with the other editor on the talk page. Both of you are in the wrong, and you really need to just stop editing the page. Even if the other person keeps adding it in, ignore it - if there is consensus to remove then it will be removed, and no harm is done by leaving it there for an hour. Thanks, Ajraddatz (Talk) 19:32, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for notifying me.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  19:39, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Maratha War of Independence
Hi,

Your edits to the above page have been revision deleted (selectively deleted) which is why you can't view them in the history. This action was carried out by MLauba, an administrator (per criteria 1 of the revision delete policy). I reverted your additions to the page as copyright violations as they appeared to be copy and pasted from Voice of India pdf's as I detailed on the talk page, which I see you have read as you replied there. I apologise for not notifying you of my revert of your edits on your talk page as that is something I normally do and I must have overlooked it.

I assume you are following the procedure here to gain permission to use this text in this article. If you get permission to use the text then the deleted edits can be restored so there will be no need to re-type them. (Please note this won't help with any POV concerns other editors may have raised.) Hope this helps, regards, <font color="blue" face="arial narrow">ascidian  | <font color="green" face="arial narrow">talk-to-me  05:41, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Oil mafia of Maharashtra
Hello! Your submission of Oil mafia of Maharashtra at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 20:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied at TTDYK, hook still needs improvement. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; talk 19:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Wikireader41 (talk) 15:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard
There is currently a discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboardThigle (talk) 03:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * A brief review of your edits show ownership issues, edit-warring, issues with canvassing, and a massive misunderstanding of reliable sourcing. Added together, this is becoming significantly disruptive.  I really recommend that you begin to edit in a far more collegial and non-tendentious manner. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 11:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


 * ThisThat2011, I noticed at the DRN that some users were unduly talking against you only because they did not seem to know about Thigle's editing habits. He is shouting all the time and even brags about it and his sense of sourcing policy is zero. And he is also adamantly unwilling to move forward from zero. I recommend that you delete most of the content of this talk page. There's nothing which stops you from doing that.-117.198.54.181 (talk) 02:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest Thisthat2011 not do as the IP says; of course, there is nothing stopping you from doing that. But then, users doing so (esp removing warnings, notices etc) are not held in high regard. Of course, nothing can be deleted permanently; it is always stored in the history.  Lynch 7  05:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is anyone bothered about what stays on my talk page? Look at the timestamp, a snake indeed that bites!<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  08:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Copy-editors
Hi, you might be interested in this page, which is a bit old and probably needs improvement. Tony  (talk)  15:14, 23 June 2011 (UTC) PS and I've read the thread above: please calm down and trust BWilkins and other admins. Tony  (talk)  15:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011
Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. ''I've just seen your edits to multiple articles and you keep adding text directly copied from the source. It appears that you've been alerted to this before too. '' &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you please elaborate why I am notified just now about "http://toolserver.org/~dcoetzee/contributionsurveyor/survey.php" page just now?
 * I could have used the tool myself.
 * I would like this tool to be prominently displayed for new editors so that it does not become an issue at all later for periodic reporting etc.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

CCI Notice
Hello, Thisthat2011. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Contributor copyright investigations concerning your contributions in relation to Wikipedia's copyrights policy. The listing can be found here. For some suggestions on responding, please see Responding to a CCI case. Thank you. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Stop
Stop reinserting the copyvios again and again over multiple articles. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  10:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reworded the whole paragraphs so as to explain meaning but not contents. Therefore these are not copyvios at all. Example: [1], etc. These are reverted without even looking at them.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sure he did look at them. I would have reverted also, the material is still substantially the same. See Close paraphrasing. If you don't stop I'll have to block you for copyright violations. Dougweller (talk) 10:35, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I am not sure how do I contribute to this other than rewording the whole substance, which is what I understand as not amounting to copyright violation.
 * Let me know how I can contribute, for everything I am doing is reverted in a way it is not even observable. For example, the B.B.C. controversies page, I can not link the edits I did since its history for the said pages is not even visible. In such a case, it is difficult even to understand how my edits today, i.e. rephrasing etc. and removing anything that looks like copyvio and thus contributing to is anything else. Please let me know how to go about it.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * ThisThat2011, many editors (even experienced ones) have difficulty understanding what is copyvio, and how close paraphrasing is also a copyvio. That close paraphrasing constitutes a copyvio is correct and it is a serious problem for Wikipedia. Please do not reinsert anything unless you are sure that it is not a copyvio. I am the IP and have decided to register now. Let those edits be reverted. There is no harm in having them reverted. Actually it is necessary and opposing it is of no use. It will only complicate matters further. Even if you think something is important, and needs to be stated in the article, it needs to be reworded substantially or completely. Before reinserting anything, please wait for some time so that you can get a hang of it. Trying to rush things is not good.-MangoWong (talk) 12:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You have had sufficient warnings not to restore copyvios, and yet you are doing just that, again, now on Kashmir. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The matter was deleted, after copyvio edits and has nothing to do with copyvio.
 * The material is not of my own writing, and both copies of the same were deleted instead of keeping one. Hence I have restored one copy. It has nothing to do with copyvio.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011
 * Seriously, if you don't understand why copyvios are removed and shouldn't be restored, you shouldn't be editing here. It doesn't matter if you wrote the original text or someone else wrote it, you can not restore such content. Please stop this. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * SpacemanSpiff, it is obvious that ThisThat2011 does not understand what is a copyvio. Instead of asking him to stop editing, the difficulty can be solved by explaining what is a copyvio. Earlier on, he had asked for an explanation as to where he is wrong so that he could avoid repeating the mistake. The issue has not been explained adequately to him. Please let me try to explain my understanding of what is a copyvio. ThisThat2011, the problem is not that you are not using your own wording. The problem is that you are not using your own wording. When you use a source, you can only use them to gather some information. But you cannot use their wording. You must restate the same thing in your own, completely new words, to avoid doing a copyvio. You are not doing that and that is the problem.--MangoWong (talk) 13:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow, I signed into Wikipedia in April. This is the first time someone is explaining this with some clarity, after hundreds of edits.
 * Thank you very much. Amongst very many people on Wikipedia, you are amongst the rare few who just don't give warnings on user pages, open up issues on various complaint pages and move on without clarifying; but actually go on to explain the correct manner with clarity.
 * I wish such a behavior is replicated by others(a list can be prepared from my talk-page itself), who waste their and others' time to just throw warnings and start a demeaning discussion, and presented to newbies on signing up. I am sure it will quicken content add on Wikipedia and avoid unnecessary behaviors and time wastes.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  14:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I like MangoWong's approach. This sort of an approach is much needed on India related articles where the article quality is not that great. Keep up the good work ThisThat2011. Just ask questions at the various boards/forums when you have any doubts. WT:IN is one forum you can use for India related questions. Flexing administrative muscles does not help the encyclopedia. Zuggernaut (talk) 16:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, the problem is that not too many users seem to understand this point (about copyvio). The ones who do, seem to assume that others already know this. This is why they ignore explaining it. Communicating through the net, as we do, can often lead to miscommunication. I know numerous users who are willing to explain things. So, ignoring to explain is generally simply due to a failure to gauge the situation. It should not be taken otherwise.--MangoWong (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That may be true with some editors who have never had a menu of links in a Welcome notice, or had warnings with links to very clear, polite policy statements that very clearly state what is and what is not a copyright violation. However, I would put down quite a few dollars that even when provided those links, Thisthat2011 has never once followed the link to understand.  This project can only push so much information/policy ... the editor is absolutely required to pull a little information every now and then.  When you signed up, you agreed to it. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 16:42, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Now that it is decided already, I would rather not reply on it lest there is some chance of a few dollars moving here and there.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Mundeshwari Temple
The most of the images in this article are from https://picasaweb.google.com/arusinha/Mundeshwari, where the author Arun Sinha has it under the license "All rights reserved" making it unsuitable for Wikicommons and Wikipedia usage. Do you have any proof that Arun Sinha has released it under Attribution 2.5 Generic   (CC BY 2.5)? Does he realize that the license is NOT restricted to Wikicommons? Please use Requesting copyright permission to get proper permission from Arun Sinha. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 13:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I have done correspondence with the said person.
 * I was given rights to upload it which I have put as comments when I uploaded the images, such that there are no issues with copyright by the said person i.e. Arun Sinha.
 * I have mentioned it here &  here.

<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  14:18, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Please follow the procedure detailed at User_talk:Fæ to resolve the issues of the images. If that's done we don't have to worry about the images at least, but if not, they will have to be deleted too. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Your addition to Kashmiri Pandit has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Sitush (talk) 17:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are these [| edits] referred to here?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Romila Thapar
Please respond to the query on the talk page of this article before making major edits. Thank you. --Saddhiyama (talk) 23:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am not sure that you would appreciate any response, Saddhiyama. TT is becoming increasingly tendentious. Suggest that you just follow the consensus and save yourself some time. - Sitush (talk)


 * I don't know how to react to someone commenting on users giving unsolicited advice, just shows how crude someone can be! This behavior is not welcome.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  14:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 * I have replied on my talk. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 15:35, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for clarifying.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
--Marc Kupper&#124;talk 08:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added another reply. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Kurmis sources
Hi the sources that you have just added to the History section at Kurmi need page numbers. No-one can verify the statements easily without those. Also, you may want to read WP:REFPUNCT. Sorry about the earlier revert: I'm struggling with some sockpuppets at the moment and got my articles confused. - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Which sources need page numbers? I have given sources that will lead to the matter under consideration directly which can be viewed on the internet. No need to give page numbers.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  20:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources
I have gone through the list of reliable sources, and I don't see any grounds on which Joshua Project can be termed as an unreliable source. I need more reasons and specific details as to why this source is not reliable. Please provide. (07:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomPaul67 (talk • contribs)


 * I don't know how it is.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I have provided the list of endorsements this project has got. Apart from this, this project is affiliated with major world renowned missions. Now I don't see any reasons why not to believe this source. I am being proved to prove the validity of a source. This is beyond me. How can I prove that I myself am a reliable source? Can you do so for your self. Can you prove that you are who you are? How? If everyone else seems to believe (just remember that these are authorities on this topic) that a particular source is valid, then it has to be valid. This is like asking me to prove that Sun rises from the East. Well it does. It's there for everyone to see. I am getting tired by this circular argumentation that I have to prove the authenticity of my sources. TomPaul67 (talk) 08:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your constructive feedback. TomPaul67 (talk) 08:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, I would like to question the authenticity of the material that has been posted on Wiki about Kurmis. I can see numerous sources that seem to declare that Kurmis are Kshtriyas, then how come what a handful of sources say is believed. Not the other way round. Furthermore, if the term Shudras is debatable and is being contested, then why can't we remove this term till the dispute is resolved.

It has been nice interacting with folks on Wiki, and now I think my argumentation has improved a lot. TomPaul67 (talk) 08:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are many other websites, many from Kurmis too that says a lot. Yet it is unsure how reliable these websites are.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  08:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

General warning regarding disruption
I would advise you to consider User_talk:Thisthat2011 as you are well into the same "repetitive comment" territory at Talk:Kurmi and it is becoming a dreadful waste of everyone's time. It is disruptive, you are being tendentious and you could be blocked. Drop the bone, please. - Sitush (talk) 19:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please avoid making unsubstituted synthesis of "swaying" authorities is not recognition logic and then put warnings on others pages.
 * What I have mentioned and explained is very clear, so is your synthesis too.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  19:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Disruptive editing at Kurmi - 2nd warning
Please stop your disruptive editing on Talk:Kurmi, as you were warned earlier today and, for other articles, at least twice in the past couple of months. It is too much. This is your second warning. Persist in this tendentiousness and you could find yourself blocked from editing.

If you are still unhappy with what has been said on that talk page then you will have to adopt an alternative process for resolution, as referred to in the link given above. - Sitush (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on WT:India. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Sitush (talk) 20:47, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Your accusation of tag teaming is wrong and is uncivil. Please retract that comment. See WP:Tag team. - Sitush (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I am assuming good faith. Don't worry. Demanding reliable secondary sources and standards is not demeaning to others and does not mean I am assuming bad faith.
 * Where did I accuse anyone of tag-teaming? Please point out before assuming anything and everything.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  20:50, 12 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Why are you removing edits on your page off my replies here?<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:07, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Your unhelpful stance
Since you have refused to actually read what I say, or to read the actual sources, I'm not going to communicate with you until the issue at Kurmi is straightened out, either by your actually reading sources, or by getting some neutral person onto the page to explain to you what you're doing wrong, as it appears the copious descriptions of your issues on your Talk page have yet to make an impression on you. You are taking up far too much of my (and others') time at Kurmi. MatthewVanitas


 * MatthewVanitas, although I do not claim to be neutral, I wonder if you have any real familiarity with this subject. The article is asserting that Kurmis are a Shudra jati in India. Fact is, nobody in India is a Shudra. Do you know that it is illegal in India to describe anyone as a "Shudra"? That "Shudra" has become a taboo word in India? If Kurmis are a "Shudra" jati in India, show me one Kurmi who claims to be a "Shudra" or one Indian who asserts that Kurmis are "Shudras". Maybe the rest of the world thinks that Kurmis are Shudras, but not Indians. As far as India and Indians are concerned, nobody is a Shudra.-MangoWong (talk) 01:39, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * @MatthewVanitas I am yet to get a reply from you about your assertions of 'swaying' authority logic(this edit), which is just an assumption from your part. Please explain it before considering others as disruptive.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:Police Reforms
Hi I think topic like police reforms is not much of academic value or interesting as such for encyclopedic reference. But if you really want to do something about it on wikipedia, you can create and section about reforms in this page Law enforcement in India or at Indian Police Service. Hope this helps! regards-- <FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">Suyog</FONT> <FONT FACE="Old English Text MT" COLOR="#FF6600">talk to me!</FONT>  03:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Dougweller
I have mentioned you in a discussion at User talk:Dougweller's page.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Laguna Copperplate Inscription
Can you script Laguna Copperplate Inscription in Devnagari?Yogesh Khandke (talk) 09:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding User talk:Sitush
Hello Thisthat2011, please note that your behaviour on 's talk page borders on a legal threat. I know you've not threatened to take action, but your action might have the very same chilling effect an over legal threat might have. Please, abide by Wikipedia's policies regarding neutrality and, above all, verifiability, remembering that Indian statutes do not apply to Wikipedia, since its servers are located in the US and that it would be really hard to try and prosecute someone living abroad in an Indian Court. That said, also please do not post on someone's talk page when asked not to. Please note that, as far as I'm concerned, this is your final warning regarding your disruptive editing. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you reviewed the Kurmi talk page?-MangoWong (talk) 12:26, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I really should not get involved here but I would like to offer an apology for my tone towards TT2011 on my talk page yesterday. I saw a legal threat and then TT2011 scrambled around to get out of a hole. This pattern of behaviour is something that I have previously called "sly" - he did a similar thing on the India project talk page not long before, saying one thing and then coming back to sort of retract it. It is planting an idea in the heads of other people & then using a get-out clause. Nonetheless, I regret some my tone in my responses to him on my talk page regarding the apparent threat, although not elsewhere. Sorry.
 * I would still rather that TT2011 kept away from it unless there is a procedural point to be made. I shall be glad to do the same in reverse. - Sitush (talk) 12:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, lets cut this routine of 'legal threat' off. The statements 'edits bordered on legal threat' and 'Indian laws don't apply to Wikipedia' are contradictory. As also I have clarified the matter was about legalities in India, not a threat.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  16:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sly? You think trying to blackball other eds when you have a dispute, thereby avoiding to discuss the issue itself is "not sly"?-MangoWong (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Nobody is "blackballing" anyone, there are very serious and legitimate concerns about TT2011's pattern of editing; a glance at his page shows how disruptive he's been over just three months. Sitush is clearly not trying to "avoid" the issue, as you can clearly see at Talk:Kurmi. TT2011 has barreled into the discussion there, and caused a massive dragged-out argument almost entirely redundant to the already massive discussion page, and if you read carefully you'll note that a goodly chunk of our posts are "TT2011, did you actually read" over and over again, because he simply keeps posting while ignoring people's attempts to discuss things with him. He refuses to collaborate, and tirelessly sprawls repetitive and circular complaints across dozens of pages. That is why people are displeased with TT, not because of "disagreement". MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * @MatthewVanitas go away from my page please excuse my page off your attention. You appear to be unbalanced and want to make suggestive judgements/consider/no-consider decisions from reliable sources. This behavior is not seen by even the authors of those sources themselves.
 * So get off my page. You are not welcome. Your views are not welcome.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:24, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Humour please strike out your go away to Matthew, though it has your name it, you don't own it, my humble request to you, you needn't reply perceived meanness with meanness. This is how you strike out, I am sharing it with you as I had once forgotten how to.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please read Salvio's comment above - "please do not post on someone's talk page when asked not to".
 * It is indeed awkward for me to find that someone who calls Hindu Jatis as Shudra comes to my talk and gives tough talk against me without even acknowledging that Shudra can be derogatory, as pointed out explicitly, & so are his edits. I don't want such a person talking on my page.
 * As far as my not owning it is considered, I can not help it. The dude will keep writing on my talk page regardless, which I think is fine. Nothing wrong in it.
 * I am not mean, I can not welcome such views.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I do not want MatthewVanitas & Sitush to be banned etc. it is not an option for me, if it is for them.
 * I think by now, it is good enough to acknowledge that there is systemic bias and there is no point keep on banning multitude of users when there is a systemic bias. No one is perfect, not even historians.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Everyone please calm down a bit and take a break. There is no hurry. Wikipedia is not going anywhere-MangoWong (talk) 16:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Regardless of whatever Salvio may say, it is wrong to give anyone a "go away". Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with what others say, fellow eds should be treated with a fair degree of respect. I know Sitush has given ThisThat2011 a "go away". But both "go away"s are equally wrong. I hope this "go away" thing will be discontinued.
 * MatthewVanitas, reviewing the Kurmi talk page, the one thing which I found to be repetative there wased after ed objecting to the use of the word "Shudra". Another repetative thing was that you and Sitush were rejecting all objections. Please begin to consider the possibility that others may have a valid point.-MangoWong (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Savio is an admin, he has the power to block.Yogesh Khandke (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I know Salvio is an admin. I stand by my comment that it is wrong to say "go away", regardless of his power to block.-MangoWong (talk) 05:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Repeatedly posting on someone else's talk page after being asked not to can be construed as WP:HARASSMENT. Granted, if you post a message on Sitush's talk page, I'm not going to block you, unless there is a pattern of behaviour which may justify a claim of harassment. In general, to comply with a request to avoid posting on someone else's talk page is a matter of courtesy. The real point of my message, however, was that you should strive to avoid every action that might have a chilling effect on your fellow users, because Wikipedia works by consensus and every practice which may interfere with it, if repeated, can be grounds for a block; you were not technically making legal threats, which I recognised from the very beginning, but that doesn't mean that your actions did not possibly have such chilling effect. Salvio  Let's talk about it! 15:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted no more than twice after Sitush asked me to.
 * As about chilling effect, I understand what do you want to convey. Though I would like to inquire about any knowledge of this 'chilling' effect about deprecated word like 'nigreo' on page like African American, and whether anyone opposing it is 'chilled' by any mention of laws of USA. I understand that Wikipedia adheres to laws of USA, and therefore the matter is systemic.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  16:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There are contradictions here. @Savio should see that he enforces standards across, not just to one side. It is effectively taking sides. Otherwise, if Savio is correct, I have cancelled lines anyway and given my views.
 * I hope Savio clarifies his stand too, on why he has not given such warning to User:Sitush, in case I was given a 'final warning' for commenting on a page when asked not to. I would rather have this cleared up today then let users like Sitush/MV getting penalized fairly, or letting off the hook unfairly, by the same standards tomorrow, making this look like a systemic bias.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * My perception of the issue is that Sitush and MatthewVanitas are stubbornly and unfairly insisting on continuing to use the word "Shudra". By their lack of discretion and stubborn behavior, they are leading this project, (not themselves), into unnecessary trouble. The "go away" thing is a side issue and should be dropped as such.-MangoWong (talk) 07:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am fine with the idea if its dropped across.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  08:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A few notes: 1) Wikipedia strives for articles that are written neutrally, and make the most use of WP:CONSENSUS. 2) You are totally within your right to ask someone to "go away" from your talkpage - it's not considered polite, and they do not have to 100% listen to that request, but you can ask that.  3) To call them "unbalanced" would, however, be a violation of WP:NPA.  4) Discussions on specific topics should be located on the talkpage of the article itself so that multiple people can comment, thus leading to consensus.  Don't go making wide sweeping changes ... this project is a marathon and not a sprint. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 16:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you also put this discussion on User:Sitush page? It is only a suggestion, not a request, just pointing out something similar.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:12, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll save someone some work. No need to put it on my page. I have been following it. I stand by what I did and why I did it, which was a consequence of a legal threat. It was seen by admins etc. However, I did apologise, without being prompted, some time ago for the tone in which I did it. I shall now retire once more. - Sitush (talk) 17:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Saving work of someone who could say something unconvinient is convenient. I am fine with it. I guess some people are paranoid about warnings, but I may be biased.
 * There is a violation of some standard, technically so, because of a perceived 'legal threat' as pointed out again, which is not technically a legal threat, is amusing to me. Something similar happened on my page, i.e. warning of ban etc. but when I said get off my page to MV, I cancelled it out later too. Being polite is not someone's exclusive ownership and everyone's ownership.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's move on and improve the encyclopedia then, shall we :-) ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 17:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Zuggernaut (talk) 13:33, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. - moved from WP:AN per request of Fowler&fowler. - Sitush (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
Why have you replace a perfectly good set of sources with, among other things, an encyclopedia? We do not use encyclopedias unless absolutely necessary because they are tertiary sources. - Sitush (talk) 15:49, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you taken part in the discussion or you are just 'following me' by your own standards? Drop the bone when even the other guy User:MikeLynch has not said anything about it. Please discuss it out atleast on the talk page.<font color="#FF9933"> ..ईती ईती नॆती नॆती.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe Sitush was talking about the specific edit you did, and the sources you added, and not specifically regarding any discussion.  Lynch 7  17:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Replied on talk page new section.<font color="#FF9933"> ..ईती ईती नॆती नॆती.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

ANI
You have been mentioned at WP:ANI in connection with a complaint initiated by. Not a direct mention, but attention has been drawn to some threads in which you have had a substantial involvement. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Please stop introducing comments which are irrelevant to whatever article it is that you are contributing to. You have been asked time and again to keep some sort of focus and you are consistently refusing to do so.'' Sitush (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC) Retracted: a gross misunderstanding of your point on my part. I apologise. - Sitush (talk) 11:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I have not investigated anyone's comments and please pardon me if I am being condescending, however, i do not approve of one issue being taken into several forums, particularly into places which are meant for some other purposes. Doing so does not seem to achieve any purpose. I repeat again that this is not a qualification of anyone's comments because I have not even investigated the issue. This is only my general view and applicable to myself, as much as anyone else.-MangoWong (talk) 03:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I do understand it. That is why requested comments in neutral manner. There are some issues where I can be called biased for pointing out systemic bias.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:01, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Yadav are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Replied here.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  18:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I have left a message for you at the Kurmi talk page. And I am getting worried that my preceding comment may have been unjustified. Please feel free to delete it if you want. You may also delete any or all posts which I ever put up here. I won't mind.:)-MangoWong (talk) 09:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ok, I replied.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  09:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, any idea why archive bot does not work on my page? I would like to copy paste the whole thing, warnings and all, to a single archive.


 * I will look into the archiving wikicode etc. and fix it for you. You can leave this to me. However, I think rather than archiving, it may be better to delete the present contents. You need not worry about the archiving bot. Please let me do it. I will do it by tomorrow probably.-MangoWong (talk) 10:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks a lot. I will see what all things can be deleted. Then may be these can be archived. Though, I would just like to have one page of archive with the index(in any way) mentioning the topics, etc.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I will fix the bot so that it will work automatically. It looks simple enough. And on the Kurmi talk page, you seem to have done the opposite of what I had in mind. Please consider refactoring your comments there. I have put in another comment.-MangoWong (talk) 10:13, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Please don't do that under any circumstances. Talking against admins in general does no seem wise to me.-MangoWong (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against admins though admins should know that Hindu Jati pages can include Hindu lagends, references to Hindu texts (direct/indirect) etc. Anyone who takes it so should not be just penalized for insistence of RS. Anyway, it is interesting to see where this is going, for I think it is going to take a long walk round the farthest corner and I am not talking about anyone in particular.<font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  17:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I have tried to replace the previous bot with another simpler bot. It will not work immediately. It works only at a set time every day. So, we will have to wait and see until tomorrow. If it does not work by tomorrow evening, I will try to fix it again. I think I am now beginning to see your issue with RS sourcing. Please do not talk about this issue at the ANI at all. The ANI is not the place to talk about it. Secondly, please do not talk about this issue at any other place or with any other person. Please bring it to my talk page. We will discuss it. It may take some days to complete the discussion. It is a simple sourcing issue and has nothing to do with any admins or the ANI. Please start a new thread at my talk page titled something like "Sourcing discussion" and write something in it. Then we will discuss it. What do you say?-117.198.51.146 (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will put a message when I have time though I do understand that ANI/AN won't care who says against admins.
 * Thanks for bot placing. I would like to tweak archive in certain way in what I have in my mind.<font color="#FF9933"> ..ईती ईती नॆती नॆती.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I suppose that should be easy enough. I suppose you would want to change the duration at which it archives threads. But I would suggest that waiting until tomorrow, to see if it works, might be a good idea?-MangoWong (talk) 16:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It worked, thanks.<font color="#FF9933">ईती ईतीUAनॆती नॆती <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Your signature is really long. Do you mind shortening it by about half or more? ta. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  18:33, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for suggestion. Its working quite well.<font color="#FF9933"> ..ईती ईती नॆती नॆती.. <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  14:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Better, thank you. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Topic ban
Hello Thisthat2011, with this edit, in enacting a consensus of the community reached at the Administrator's Noticeboard, which may be viewed at, I hereby inform you that you are banned from making any India-related edits across all namespaces for three weeks. I'm sorry. Salvio Let's talk about it! 09:32, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the mail. By what standards you are 'sorry'? I am full of enthusiasm with the ban, no doubts/questions. Though I would like to know if I could edit topics such as 'Hinduism', 'Shiva', etc. As such I would also inquire before editing whether I could edit on a page consideration of the ban for any such a page.<font color="#FF9933">ईती ईतीUAनॆती नॆती <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  09:54, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm sorry, because I don't like it when someone is imposed an editing restriction... That said, Hinduism and Shiva are included in this ban, as they are quite definitely India-related topics; that said, however, you're most welcome to inquire on my talk page whenever in doubt as to the extent of your restriction! Salvio  Let's talk about it! 10:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for reply.<font color="#FF9933">ईती ईतीUAनॆती नॆती <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  10:18, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Your return
Hello and welcome back to contributing here. It had been hoped by some who contributed at the recent ANI discussion that you would take the duration of the topic ban as an opportunity to become involved in areas of Wikipedia other than those related to India. It is clear that you chose not to do this, which is a course of action that is entirely within your rights but perhaps was not the cleverest of decisions.

Anyway, leaving that aside you have returned to contributing in the India-related sphere and are already displaying signs of tendentiousness. At Talk:2008 Mumbai attacks you have unnecessarily re-visited a discussion regarding the article title which had closed during your absence. Although much of your input is very garbled, your choice of words here could be construed as yet another personal attack. Especially, "Please keep your filth in your mind before vomiting it out. It stinks.". Please be careful because you will recall that the recent topic ban could be extended considerably, up to and including a total ban from English Wikipedia - WP:ROPE was mentioned and you should probably take heed of this. Best wishes. - Sitush (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * "you have unnecessarily re-visited a discussion regarding the article title which had closed during your absence."
 * Read the mail again. I have clarified why I have said so. It is not unnecessary, especially when the editor is asking arbitrary questions in my absence. You have disregarded that he had asked some jumbled up question in my absence and then you have concluded that my mail was unnecessary.
 * Why have you overlooked that he asked a very personal question in the first place? Please desist on presenting half-truths. If you want to discuss this, goto talk page, don't mess up people's talk pages, while you yourself are touchy about your own talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thisthat2011/Archive_1#Regarding_User_talk:Sitush.23Warning_on_term_Shudra_.26_repeated_insistance_on_keeping_it_on_prominant_places_in_articles_on_Hindu_communities.
 * Admins please come in and see what this guy is up to. How is this a personal attack?<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The discussion is ongoing at the talk page. The editor has asked a loaded question as if I support saffron terror directly. Why have you, or any other admin, not sent any message to him? Answer that on the talk page please.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  06:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, since it seems that you have not understood what I said, the reason why I said it here is because it is a warning of sorts. The correct place for warnings, be they by use of templates or otherwise, is the user's talk page. Your comment about filth/vomit/stinks seems excessive to me. There are other ways in which you could have worded your disagreement. Or you could have just ignored what you appear to think was baiting, which may have been a sensible option given the thin-ness of the ice upon which you are currently treading. I will say no more because this thread has been referred to Salvio & doubtless you'll get some input from them. If I am wrong then I am wrong and will apologise. - Sitush (talk) 07:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand that the user is experienced, though this time he has gone on an ego trip according to me. He has connected a few random things during an ongoing vote-discussion to make a point and pre-judged that a title including "terrorist" in title is non-neutral. I agree that it could be non-neutral as per his own understanding, but he should desist from assuming his views as already-divisive and then pre-judging others and connecting saffron attacks and then asking 'how do you feel', and then agains pre-judging my response, and so on. The user should take a chill pill and stop this pre-judging circus when in this 'community where I have to rebuild trust' it is the others like me who have to pay for his overt already-assumed-self-connectedness during an ongoing vote.
 * By the way, have you warned him for his ongoing personal attacks against me?<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

August 2011
Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Talk:2008 Mumbai attacks. Thank you. Cerejota (talk) 07:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please desist from personal attacks and then give advice on AGF. By the way, I assume good faith for everyone by default, FYI.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  07:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Lets stop the drama
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Cerejota (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I want to stop this roller too that has started in my absence.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  12:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Topic ban
Per the community discussion at WP:ANI, the following restriction on your edits is enacted; Black Kite (t) (c) 23:49, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are topic banned from all Indian, Religion, and Hinduism topics, broadly construed and interpreted in all namespaces, including but not limited to mentions of India or Hinduism in any article even if outside the topic area of India, Religion and Hinduism.
 * During this period, a volunteer editor or admin in good standing, with significant experience as an editor and in DR, will mentor and help the user work towards a better editing style, and a more collegial editing behavior. At this mentor's recommendation, and in consultation with the community, the topic ban period can be reduced or extended as seen fit.
 * Any violation of these sanctions can result in any uninvolved admin blocking the user indefinitely.
 * I have informed the volunteer mentors of this sanction. They are User:Nightscream, User:Ebe123, and User:KuduIO.
 * This sanction will expire on March 1, 2012 at 00.00UTC.
 * Thisthat: You should not take it too hard. Retiring or sitting out is not how you should react to it. Keep editing outside the topic ban. You should see ways to contest this decision, which is to put it simply: Wrong! 14.97.96.91 (talk) 07:49, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thisthat2011: This should have never, never, never have happened. Remember that many IPs all over India like the one above have been watching the developments quietly. You have many fans . Please do not retire or sit out or give up. Do not give up this user account. Keep editing in other areas. Read policies like wp:Topic ban, wp:Legal, wp:DRR, Arbitration and similar. You are the guv'nor! Indians, register your protest to the ban and support Thisthat2001 here! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.176.161.4 (talk) 09:00, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Everything happens for good. I am full of enthusiasm for this ban, no questions/doubts/etc. Don't worry, be happy! Remember <font color="#FF9933"> ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर | असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. .<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति  <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  15:33, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Thisthat. I check my watchlist at least a two or three times a day, so I should be able to answer your questions in a fairly timely manner, depending what other things I'm doing on a particular day.

As for how to be nice, well, you just do it. If you really need formalized or codified material on this, then I would suggest reading three pages: WP:Civility, WP:Assume Good Faith and WP:No Personal Attacks. Nightscream (talk) 15:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the mail.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  19:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:AN/I — <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;"> Kudu ~I/O~ 21:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

SuggestBot
Sorry about your topic ban. I saw a tool on MangoWong's talk page which might help you identify articles of interest but outside the area of your ban. It might be worth checking it out. Consider attending the WikiConference in Mumbai if you are in that neighborhood in November. AshLin, an outreach coordinator seems to be presenting a talk titled "Patriotism, Nationalism and Jingoism" which may be aimed at editors like you. Zuggernaut (talk) 05:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, will try but Wikipedia is not too high in real life concerns. Anyways, there is some advantage in being anonymous and not get personally involved. I will see what I can do and manage this.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  09:21, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Anna Hazare Award

 * Thanks for kind words. I guess the guy still did not get it, but I tried and so moving on, true about learning lessons and moving on leaving behind things like those. Busy these days, and not sure if I can involve myself too much into intricacies of WP:<various-strategies> etc.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  09:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Your message on my talk page
I'm completely lost now. Are you referring to my exchange with DavidA? Is Thisthat2011 an alternate account for him (i.e., are you one and the same?) What ban conditions are you referring to? Nightscream (talk) 17:44, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is about this edit on your talk page, though there are more comments from user Sitush so I don't know where the conversation stands, much like how unsure I am of the entire ban thing i.e. was I banned for message during a previous ban or for post-ban message to another user, how was it a consensus & so on. Please throw some light on where the discussion heading to at your page here, just want to be sure about not breaking the ban conditions before replying or continuing the discussion, which apparently is gone directionless. Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  20:50, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You were topic banned, per the discussion at WP:ANI, from contributing in matters relating to India or Hinduism, broadly construed. That included talk pages etc, not just articles. There is nothing to stop you contributing in other areas, and people had offered to mentor you in that respect. Those people could potentially influence the duration of your topic ban, which at present is indefinite. "Indefinite" does not mean "permanent" but is rather an open-ended thing: it can be reviewed if you show the community that you have the ability to contribute constructively and collegiately. I guess that this pretty much means that either you expand your horizons here in terms of subject matter etc, or else contribute nothing at all.
 * The consensus was determined at ANI & in my opinion you have absolutely no chance of challenging that without some sort of demonstration of improved ability. The topic ban had nothing to do with any one message but rather related to a general issue with your contributions. By definition, you could not have been banned for a "post-ban message to another user" - that makes no sense. - Sitush (talk) 21:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * How did the admin changed the ban to 'indefinite' and what prompted that? When I will have a lot of time, I will inquire with the admin.
 * About "The consensus was determined at ANI.." well that is I understand is per judgement of the admin though I was banned earlier for a week for the same so how was I banned again after 7 day ban, seems much more confusing now, just like this discussion between me and Nightscream here and at his page!<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  21:33, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, the ban is explained here. I think that you were blocked for a while before that, but you were certainly not topic banned. The ban is in place and you are not going to change it by continuing in this vein. In fact, if you do continue like this then someone may decide to escalate it so that you are permanently banned from contributing at all, on the grounds that you are persisting in your obtuse attitude and/or continuing to demonstrate a clear lack of competence. You have one way, and one way only, to resolve the issue ... and you have at least three people who were prepared to assist you. They can, of course, withdraw their offers at any time and you may want to bear that in mind: people only have a finite amount of patience. - Sitush (talk) 21:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I checked my page, here - link, it shows that perhaps the indefinite thing is not present and clearly states "This sanction will expire on March 1, 2012 at 00.00UTC.". Please avoid making personal assumptions before clarity when state that "topic ban, which at present is indefinite". This is why I am confused when you pointed out about indefinite topic ban and also put a message on the admin talk page when there is no indefinite ban. Now I am even more confused.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  22:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like Sitush erred above; your topic ban was enacted for one year, not indefinitely, as recorded in the archived section of ThisThat2011's talk page that you both linked to. This means that as of 1 April 2012, you may again edit articles related to India and Hinduism.  The change that Black Kite made was not to the topic ban itself, but to the sanctions that would apply if you violate the topic ban (which is an issue of admin discretion).  Should you violate the topic ban (that is, if you should make any edits, on any talk page, article page, Wikipedia space page, etc. related to India or Hinduism, broadly construed before 1 April 2012), then you can be blocked from Wikipedia entirely for any length of time, up to indefinitely. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:28, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did err. Sorry about that. I do feel that the point was to encourage you to contribute here in other spheres & learn from those contributions. Consequent upon that, if you were to resume with your past behaviour after the ban expires then there would not be a prolonged discussion regarding what to do next. You were given quite a lot of rope the first time round. - Sitush (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

However, I do have a followup question. Above, you say to Zuggernaut, "Anyways, there is some advantage in being anonymous and not get personally involved." Does that mean that you are editing Wikipedia anonymously (as an IP) on topics related to India or Hinduism? Qwyrxian (talk) 23:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * This is issue was referred to on Nightscream's talk page at the time. It received no response. - Sitush (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * If I am not incorrect, the discussion with Zuggernaut was not about 'editing Wikipedia anonymously (as an IP) on topics related to India or Hinduism'. Please understand the discussion was about, if I recollect well, in Mumbai Wikipedia conference.
 * So now I am even more confused how this topic, of 'editing Wikipedia anonymously (as an IP) on topics related to India or Hinduism', came into picture. The advantage per me of anonymity is, as I mentioned, I didn't want to get involved personally in the conference, as it is not a mandatory requirement.
 * To receive no response on Nightscream's talk page, it was not my response that was needed but his. Therefore I inquired if it is okay to respond there without violating ban condition. Even then there is this confusion.
 * I think I did 1 edit Wikipedia after the ban, on some fish topic. Though this is indeed strange that every time I inquire something, to my mentor not even editing and discussion, it gets confusing. I would rather sit out during the ban than do an uninformed edit that could violate the conditions. Earlier too, when I did make a single edit during a 7 day period, no one pointed it during the ban. So I would rather stay away and not get confused much and then err myself. As an editor during a ban, erring is much more punished rather than a senior editor or an admin erring during other's ban as confusion on part of senior editors or admins can be much more effectively than confusion of an editor. Per Sitush's words & letters - "and you are not going to change it by continuing in this vein. In fact, if you do continue like this then someone may decide to escalate it so that you are permanently banned from contributing at all, on the grounds that you are persisting in your obtuse attitude and/or continuing to demonstrate a clear lack of competence." - so how am I not collegiate and with obtuse attitude and am continuing here in a certain vein, of for that matter a lack of competence? I am not sure how these have come out of nowhere when I was discussing with mentor, not even editing.
 * I apologize for any confusion from my side and would like to know if it is possible to point out if I am violating any condition as soon as possible during a ban rather than at the end when a single violation could be sent to Wikipedia admin discussion boards for consensus on the violation as soon as the ban is over, as happened earlier.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 06:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, almost the worst thing you could do is not take up the mentorship offers. Find something to which you want to contribute and ask your mentors if it would be acceptable to do so. They could then keep an eye on your efforts and provide further guidance, if needed. Although there are exceptions, it seems fairly likely that you'll learn nothing by sitting out the ban and if you then return with a pattern of edits similar to those that caused it to be enacted in the first place then, sorry, but you are likely to end up back at ANI pretty quickly. Doing something in the interval would at least demonstrate a desire to work with the community. Do you contribute to any non-English Wikipedia's? I ask this not because it affects your ban but because I still suspect that English is not your first language and wonder if you might be more comfortable in one of those other environments.
 * Fish articles, by the way, seem fairly innocuous to me in terms of the ban. Provided that you are not going to be referring to India or, say, their position in relation to Hindu dietary norms. There are lots of articles on that subject, and on things such as gastropods, that really do need some expansion etc, & so they could provide you with a really useful area to add to the sum of Wikipedia's content. But I would still run it past your mentors first, just so that they are aware that you are getting involved again. - Sitush (talk) 08:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Your signature
Hello my friend. I think you accidentally made a signature that cannot be clicked. It makes it difficult for others. Many thanks. Have a lovely day. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Trying, donno how it changed. Gimme some time please.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011  22:31, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Never mind. I see that it's only unclickable on your page. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for pointing this out.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 06:10, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

About my Ban period
Hello,

Can any admin reply to my query that I have put forth on the page of admin Black Kite Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Black_Kite

No replies yet forthcoming.

"Is it expired already?

Last time I asked someone about my ban being over, I got no reply from the editor who banned.

I got to be more cautious this time around. That is why the query."

I would rather not err this time even if no reply is forthcoming from admin. Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 11:49, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi TT2011, appears to be semi-retired from Wikipedia. I fyou do not get an admin response to your request above in, say, the next 24 hours then it might be worthwhile inserting an  template here. The template adds you to a category that should hopefully bring someone over here before too much longer.
 * I've got to be honest and say that the fact you chose not to edit at all rather than to continue editing but in areas unaffected by your topic ban was probably not the wisest thing to do. People did try to explain this to you at the time. Of course, it is not wrong, but one of the big issues underlying your ban was a high degree of inexperience generally, not merely in contentious topic areas. Editing elsewhere would have gained you a fair bit of experience by now.
 * Anyway, it's good to know that you are still around etc and hopefully someone better placed than me will respond to your query soon. - Sitush (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have done an edit here or there, within restrictions of the ban. I already discussed it myself if I remember correctly, though I was last time banned not for editing outside the ban but putting a single comment, not edit on an actual page.
 * As also, it would weird for example, if someone restarts a vote after some arbitrary accusation say 'saffron terrorism' and not even get a warning. On the other hand reopening a vote after such weird accusation would definitely be shown standards. My experience or inexperience also includes all this.
 * Good to know that you are still around on Wikipedia, hopefully you have got a little more understanding on India related topics.
 * I have also put a message to this mentor for his views. Better to wait.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 16:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I cannot understand much of your comment - it is a bit garbled- but if you have a mentor and have been interacting with them during the last few months then, yes, they may be able to resolve this issue more quickly than by using the admin help template. - Sitush (talk) 16:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the sanction expired on 1 March. I would, however, be extremely cautious in making edits in the areas from which you were topic banned. Use the talk page if you think an edit might be contentious, and do not edit war in any way; otherwise the sanction may be reapplied. Black Kite (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes though is it possible to make an edit after presenting reliable secondary sources? Also, in talk page if other users edit without secondary sources where would I take it up?
 * Many times I have pointed it out but no admin does anything about it and then all I could do is put up an information message at other editor's talk page that is ignored.
 * Is there a way in which such standards are to be implemented uniformly?
 * Inviting mentor also here for his views. User_talk:Nightscream though I don't know how to automatically put a message from here to his user talk page so I will sent a message.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 10:26, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also about requesting secondary sources from others as a matter of concern too?<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 11:16, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Simply; if you think an edit in those areas is likely to be contentious, use the talkpage first. Black Kite (talk) 23:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, there are more questions I can put forth if convenient. For example are there steps to reopen a closed vote. Last time I got in an ugly discussion because someone talked something about saffron terrorism against my as an arguments for a vote to reopen a closed vote, but no one warned the user for anything, not even an information message. So it leaves to admins to point out steps to reopen a closed vote.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 08:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Ekal Vidyalaya
Also, why does your signature read नॆति नॆति with the short Prakritic 'e'? This is a Sanskrit term and should read नेति नेति since Sanskrit only has the long 'e'. Please correct it. Nmisra (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok I will shortly. Thanks for pointing out.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनॆति नॆति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 10:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Now your signature is even more incorrect, where did you get these spellings from? ईती ईती is wrong, it should be "इति इति". नेती नेती is also wrong, it should be "नेति नेति". Nmisra (talk) 14:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Checking sig again.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 19:24, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed that कार्य (Kāryaṃ) in "असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर" is wrong as well. The correct rendition is कार्यं (Kāryaṃ). You may refer any standard version of Gita 3.19. कर्म is in the accusative here and कार्य being the adjective of कर्म must be in the accusative as well, i.e. as कार्यं. Nmisra (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 09:29, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

DRN
Is your involvement with this really wise, given your recent history and the advice to stay away from contentious stuff? - Sitush (talk) 19:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you have missed that I am not mentioned as one participating in dispute. Please recheck and reply. Also I am not stating in any way that anyone participating in the discussion has extremely right wing Hindu or Christian sympathies. So in any case, I am only giving my views.
 * Also note, I have not done edits in contentious parts or after edits were reverted.
 * Also, your feedback on discussion, considering your experience on reliable sources, is welcome. In particular how reliable Christian Today or The Milli Gazette are, if at all.<font color="#FF9933">ईती ईतीUAनेती नेती <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 19:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2012 Contest
Hello friends, we are a number of editors from WikiProject India have got together to assess the many thousands of articles under the stewardship of the project, and we'd love to have you, a fellow member, join us. These articles require assessment, that is, the addition of a WikiProject template to the talk page of an article, assessing it for quality and importance and adding a few extra parameters to it.

As of March 11, 2012, 07:00 UTC, WikiProject India has 95,998 articles under its stewardship. Of these 13,980 articles are completely unassessed (both for class and importance) and another 42,415 articles are unassessed for importance only. Accordingly, a Tag & Assess 2012 drive-cum-contest has begun from March 01, 2012 to last till May 31, 2012.

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Regarding reliable sources
That would seem to be something that could be gleaned by simply reading that discussion yourself. Since I'm not following that discussion, I have no way of discerning this. Sorry. Nightscream (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the tea!
I quite like tea actually. Very much appreciated.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:14, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Images
I would recommend you upload them to Wikimedia Commons, then they can be used in Wikipedia projects of all languages. Once you create an account on Commons, it is easy to upload using the upload form here. The step by step procedure is self-explanatory and also gives a link at the end of upload which you can use in a Wikipedia article. Pay attention to copyright status, if the image is copyrighted, you may need to use the OTRS system to show the proof that the owner of the copyright has decided to release under the Creative Commons or the GFDL License. Nmisra (talk) 23:36, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I am more interested in finding out where the sources of images could be, such as images that are in open domain and can be reused provided license is linked, etc. Right now I am voting against a ban on user, at this ANI thread [| here], see what your views as non-involved editor could be.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 06:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Flickr often contains licence-compliant images. Every photo there has a licence attached, so you just need to check that it is CC-BY-SA 2.0, CC-BY-SA 3.0 etc rather than, say, All rights reserved. Actually. I frequently see comments from people on Wikipedia where they have emailed the copyright holder of an image on Flickr and persuaded them to change their no-compliant licence so that we could use it! Old books can also be ok, eg: the John Horsfield article uses a beautiful botanical drawing from a nineteenth-century book. I used a screen capture utility to grab it. What sort of subjects are you trying to find images for? -


 * I would like to do this well first to understand how this works. However, there are enough topics on India related articles where images would make nice presentation, indeed at places I somehow feel that images are at times needed as complement to the substance under consideration - something along the lines of 'a picture can say a thousand words' etc. that can not be sometimes expressed exhaustively in words, & not just as added appendage.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 12:35, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012
This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Please provide references for the said attacks for clarity. It is a request.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 19:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have concluded from my side on the vote. I won't be adding anything there unless asked to explicitly.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 19:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Look, we've had interactions before, and I know you can be a valuable contributor and a perfectly reasonable person - I've been in perfectly civil discussions with you before. But you do have a habit of getting angrily personal when you get into disagreements, and you start throwing dirt at your opponents. Those diffs you provided had absolutely nothing to do with Abhijay's comments, and say absolutely nothing about when he might or might not have read the relevant links. If you have a disagreement with his opinion, you are welcome to voice that disagreement, but attacking his competence with allegations that he hasn't looked at it properly is only likely to rebound on you - it makes your argument look weaker, not stronger. I'm sure whoever evaluates the consensus will be aware of the relative involvement and experience of the contributors, and will take that into account. Anyway, I genuinely don't want you to find yourself in trouble, so I hope you'll consider my words. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I have WP:AGF by default. I clearly did not understand how the user could understand this discussion at all considering participants etc. I understand that it would be difficult to point out anything of that sort in a manner for which the new user, who is voting on a ban, may object to. Anyway, about throwing mud on others etc is somehow escapes me, especially when there are admins and senior editors involved. About being aggressive, I do not feel I have been aggressive and also I am not avoiding AGF. The whole vote discussion is divided between ANI, talk:India, coupled with the source discussion not getting completed on talk:India and absence of YK himself who is busy these days. Therefore even if I want to put in sourced material, it is likely to be be considered misplaced and then on perhaps tendentious. So I have stopped giving any opinion though I can not help but feel that YK's side is sparsely represented.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 20:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I understand you didn't mean an attack, and I'm sorry I overreacted a bit - I've struck the warning, above. I can also understand if you feel that YK is being under-represented. But I'm sure whoever judges the consensus (and it will have to be someone uninvolved) will balance things based on policy arguments and the apparent knowledge of the participants. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Recent edit in Adi Shankara!
In your recent edit. I suggest you to add all the Google Books links you have added with exact page link and not search link!--Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 21:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, could you point the difference please? My understanding is that exact page link is more convenient these days, for it allows clear inspection for editors and users.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 22:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, your understanding is correct! Exact page link is more better, but you have actually added search links. I feel, you have either searched in Google or Google Book search and then copied the link from search result page! But, that actually gives the search link page
 * To clarify more, when you visit this link you have added, you can easily see your search term in the search box!
 * So, I feel adding page link is better, though there is only some minor differences between these two! --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 22:10, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the info. I will see if I can change it correctly.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 22:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay! :-) And I also feel the mentioned Google Books reference is a weak one! What are you actually referring? You have referred page 13, I suggest to re-edit the reference and use Ref Book and add page numbers (13-15 most probably, I have just read those pages (but not very attentively).. let me know (in my talk page) if you think I can help! --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 22:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just a brief note: exact page links to GBooks do not always work and often change. GBooks does not present the same view worldwide and, for example, there is much that is not visible to me in the UK that is visible to people in the US ... and there is even more that is not visible to people in China and, say, Bahrain. Personally, I doubt the utility of them and certainly in the case of older books it is preferable to give a link to an alternate online source (eg: www.archive.org) if the document is available there. - Sitush (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a useful essay on GBooks issues. - Sitush (talk) 23:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 07:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * What is that link, could you point out that please?<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 18:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You won't get a reply because the message is automatically generated by a bot. If you want to stop the messages from appearing on this page then add somewhere (I would suggest adding it right at the top, but it makes no real difference). HTH. - Sitush (talk) 18:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have manually corrected the links anyway. The dab solver did not work perhaps because of some script issues.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 18:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Re: Gandhi Article
Hi Thisthat2011, I see that on the talk page of Mahatma Gandhi article you suggested that we should mention Gandhi's mother being in touch with her Jain guru, not sure if its is suitable for the article on Gandhi, I just wanted to know your thought. Also regarding the debate on the India page which seems to have died now, can you send me few potential material that can be helpful either via mail or the link on my talk page? I would like to read them before proposing anything. Thanks a lot --sarvajna (talk) 15:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It is only a suggestion. The content says that 'in touch with community leaders', which could mean that she was doing something for her community, etc which is at variance to what the source says.
 * What would you want to know that can be potentially helpful for India talk page discussion? Could you say what is meant by that?<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 18:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The sentence of 'in touch with community leader' was removed now there is only a mention that Gandhi's mother was a Jain, regarding the India talk page I would like to know if you have any other sources apart from what YK had given regarding the Aryan migration theory, it would be helpful to carry forward the debate. I have a strong feeling that at present its biased. Thanks --sarvajna (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Iramuthusamy
Please go ahead if you wish to guide the user in improving articles. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 16:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi
Why dont you update your gmail id so that people can get in touch with you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.232.136 (talk) 15:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. What would you like to discuss, please be specific about it point-by-point initially in message. Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 15:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, much appreciated! However, all the work of mentioning edits was done from yourself! I just pointed it out.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 07:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

June 2012
This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Your constant snide attacks on User:Sitush have to stop, do you understand? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * @Boing! said Zebedee


 * 1) . Which part of my comments not content specific? Is it about the question of whether Sitush is violating WP:AGF? It is a question, if he does not want to answer, you can not blame me. In fact, he has already answered by saying "Otherwise, I request yet again that you, TT2011, stop poking your nose in with unfounded accusations disguised as queries. Or, to use a colloquial expression, "put up or shut up" - which is quite personal and which appears to have been missed.
 * 2) . Where are my 'Your constant snide attacks on User:Sitush'? It is a direct accusation and you need to point it out please. I won't say 'put up or shut up' cause since you are an admin, you got to have reasons.
 * 3) . Is this not personal according to you? - 'Dealing with your machinations at article talk pages is bad enough, without having them spill over into my talk space.'


 * Please be clear on these.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 15:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My point is that you should stop popping up in disputes between Sitush and other people with your usual totally one-sided anti-Sitush bias, criticising only him and appearing as if you are stalking and/or harassing him. Sitush and Yogesh are grown up enough and know each other well enough by now to conduct their own disputes and to seek neutral help with resolution if they need it - so please stop trying to stir the shit on one side only. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have not yet noticed, you are yourself getting too personal to me here with rather accusative tone. 'so please stop trying to stir the shit on one side only.' - is not an answer to the question I have posed. Abusing does not justify nonsense from your side.
 * You are not welcome on my page, please avoid accusing repeatedly while ignoring similar behavior of yourself and Sitush.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 18:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you would care to pay attention, you will see that I am carefully staying away from the dispute between Sitush and Yogesh, precisely because I am too closely involved with them - and I am saying that you need to do the same. As for not being welcome on your talk page, I will be happy not to post here again, with the exception of any actual requirements related to any admin actions that may at certain times be appropriate. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * @Boing! said Zebedee: You consider thisthat2011's comments as personal attacks, would you kindly look at the section For adnmin Dougweller's attention, would it be possible for you to address the issues such as hounding and complete lack of civility and constant heckling without any provocation on the part of the concerned editor. Thanks in advance. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please ignore those which require Admin Dougweller's personal attention. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Yogesh. I'd like to be able to help, but I don't think I am sufficiently uninvolved with the two of you - I suggest you follow the steps at WP:DR if you cannot resolve your differences by discussion, and if necessary ask for someone who is unambiguously uninvolved to assist. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks nevertheless. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 03:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Everyone involved here please check Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 19:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

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Yogesh Khandke (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks.<font color="#FF9933">इति इतिUAनेति नेति <font color="#FF9933"> Humour Thisthat2011 15:57, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to the Project Talk Page
I have started a discussion on WP:India talk page with topic "Why self-identification for caste verification of a person?" here.

Sitush and some other members are saying that self-identification should be mandatory for caste verification of a person, while I am opposing this as it makes it impossible for names of famous people to be included in the List of XYZ caste.

So I request you to come with your views and participate in this discussion. JC Ramek (talk) 09:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of author Babasaheb Purandare at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard
There is a discussion at the RS Noticeboard as to whether Purandare qualifies as a WP:RS for the article Shivaji. Discussion posted here: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2012 (UTC)