User talk:Thnidu


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File:Wikipedia W favicon on white background.png, with a solid white background instead of the transparent background of the official version. I use it for the Wikipedia shortcut on my desktop, as it's much easier to see than the standard one on transparent background. Available on Commons for anyone to use.

Not under any copyright, but note potential trademark limitations.

My involvements

 * WP:Meetup/Philadelphia
 * WP:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism
 * WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors
 * User:Thnidu/GOCE
 * Requests
 * Backlog elimination drives
 * June 2019 blitz
 * September 2016 blitz
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MEMOS TO SELF

 * 1) ✅ Learn about AWB.
 * 2) Broad Universe Wikipedia Project
 * 3) Articles with the copy edit tag on are different from requests. You did the right thing by removing the tag, and nothing else needs doing. By the way, requests are sections within WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, not subpages of it, so a search like that would never work. You can see all requests (as opposed to tagged articles) by going to WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and doing a text search. Hope this helps. --Stfg (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2014 (UTC) (source)
 * 4) Tools
 * 5) * WikiBlame – searches for given text in versions of article
 * 6) * Soxred93's Article Blamer – similar to WikiBlame, identifies revisions that added given text
 * 7) * User:AmiDaniel/WhodunitQuery – Windows application that identifies the edit and user who added a specific word or phrase

Archive
I've moved most old sections of my Talk page to User talk:Thnidu/Archive. 130424. 140202. 141128. 150222.

GOCE July 2013 barnstar

 * Oo! Oo! My first! I'm so excited! :-D No irony, no sarcasm here: I really am pleased. Thank you. --Thnidu (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Neat page bookmarks

 * List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events

Earthsea
Thanks for recent work at Earthsea and Ursula K. Le Guin.

FYI, my today revision --as of 22:00 UTC-- of the fantasy series article Earthsea is scrutable if you break the history in two after my first two edits. In particular, section 4 history is inscrutable as a whole, because of spacing changes. While I skimmed some of the sources in refs 7-18, I didn't do much for the article but expand them. More attention to content is needed, perhaps best after improvement of the two film adaptation articles. --P64 (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)


 * My word! Thank you! — Thoughts, some less useful than others.
 * Hmm... We don't have a template for "creative franchise", and in any case the multiple switches for sections that do or don't apply in different cases would be mind-boggling.
 * (Definitely less useful) You changed "catalogd" to the American spelling "cataloged", but has the British spelling "dramatiation".  I'm not saying to change it back, but how far is local-variety-of-English consistency supposed to go?
 * Consistency in variety of English should be imposed at the article level. The same goes for the format of dates and the possibly distinct format of retrieved/archived dates. So a section on British adaptation(s) of a work, within an article where American English and date format are generally used, should use American dramatization and, say, premiered May 29. --P64 (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * .... No more for now. I probably won't be able to do more on this till late next week. --Thnidu (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Happy International Translation Day
Not a barnstar, but a token of my appreciation nonetheless. Happy International Translation Day (September 30)!

Link to Sandra Boynton's cartoon in Klingon for International Translation Day

Best, Doreva Dorevabelfiore (talk) 20:28, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

"Translationese" template
Thnidu, I re-posted a proposal for a "translationese" template at the Village Pump Proposals section. I mentioned your name and gave the example you had quoted previously. As you may remember I proposed such a template a month ago, but the proposal was archived after a tepid reaction saying that such templates already existed in the form of the templates Cleanup translation and Rough translation. In my new post I tried to explain why those were not actually filling the need. -Wwallacee (talk) 09:08, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thnidu, thanks for your comments on the Village Pump a few weeks ago about Translationese. Unfortunately I had to put down Wikipedia for a few weeks there and I didn't get to push the discussion further. I myself don't know how to create a template, but I think a link to that Village Pump discussion could be helpful (for example in the Talk pages of culprit articles) if you want to keep this issue alive. The link is here. - Wwallacee (talk) 09:28, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

A page you started (Filiative nomen) has been reviewed!
Thanks for creating Filiative nomen, Thnidu!

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Steven Brust - Cracks and Shards
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate use of a wikipedia talk page or not, but are you the guy who used to run that site? Is it still hosted anywhere? Is there a better way to get in touch with you than through this page? Phyrkrakr (talk) 16:56, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , yes, no, and yes. 2) It was lost when my ISP was bought by another one. I've been gathering bits of it out of archives and my own files but have never found the spoons, time, and concentration to re-create it. 3) Via gmail with my name as given on my user page, minus the spaces. Thnidu (talk) 20:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

June 2018: Archiving talk page items
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whom
Hi, I noticed you made this edit a few years ago. I feel like I've seen the word whom appear increasingly more in articles over the years (even when not following a preposition, though this is not an example of that), and have been trying to figure out if it's just my growing (not that I ever didn't dislike it) hatred for the word making (due to almost entirely being used to be "correct" and as a status symbol when what is correct is what people actually use, making every sentence that I see it in feel irritatingly formal and snobbish) it bother me more, or if it's been increasingly added to pages as "corrections" to older versions. Anyway, I was wondering if there is any Wikipedia guideline on whether whom should be used, if you think whom has increased its appearance due to changes to older sentences that didn't use it or if it's just me being weird, and what would happen if I started removing instances of whom (especially those not following a preposition, where the use is even more unnatural to modern English speakers), theoretically (would I just be undone?), to make articles sound less snobbish, and if you have any defense of whom that could make me start liking its presence on articles more. Dayshade (talk) 16:15, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be so late with this reply. I'm really not sure. I think the Teahouse (abbreviated link: WP:TH) would be the right place to ask, or at least to start asking. (But see below.*)
 * I'm a linguist, retired, and I have a very good sense of English grammar. I made the edit you refer to because the page said
 * ...spoken as a native language by about 66,000 people, 45,000 of which reside on the Faroe Islands and 21,000 in other areas, mainly Denmark.
 * But "which" is for things, not people. The relative pronoun for persons is "who", objective case "whom", possessive "whose" (sometimes also used for possessive of things: "a country whose people enjoy...").
 * What you say about "whom" fading away in general usage as the object of a verb matches my perceptions. I'd venture a guess that that's due in part to the limited number of prepositions, as opposed to the essentially limitless vocabulary of verbs: people continually see and maybe hear "to whom", "for whom" (± "the bell tolls"), "from whom", "with whom", and so on, establishing these short, distinctive sequences as units in their minds, perhaps idioms. (Compare: what word do you expect after "As far __" at the beginning of a sentence? Yup, those three words are part of an idiomatic expression, all right.) But neither you nor I are familiar with all the range of styles and dialects of English.
 * * It seems that I'm giving you an answer after all. I urge you not to go around changing "whom" to "who" as the object of a verb. Both are correct— one in traditional and formal grammar, one in colloquial use, and Wikipedia has plenty of room for different styles of writing. For that matter, are you sure that direct-object "who" is falling out of use outside the US?
 * And I believe this official policy, a decision of the Arbitration Committee, has a direct bearing on your question:
 * Optional styles. When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. For example, with respect to British spelling as opposed to American spelling it would be acceptable to change from American spelling to British spelling if the article concerned a British subject. Revert warring over optional styles is unacceptable; if the article is colour rather than color, it would be wrong to switch simply to change styles as both are acceptable.
 * Passed 12 to 0 (with 1 abstention) at 16:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC).
 * --Thnidu (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. In my dialect, the word "whom" is always avoided (unless someone is taught to and wants to use it), so that thing-person distinction has broken down, except somewhat in the subject case. So "of which" in that Faroese example sounds perfectly fine to me, but I can live with it staying if it sounds wrong (without being taught as wrong!) to a lot of folk. Similarly to yours, whose is extended to non-people. whom is sometimes heard after prepositions (but things like "to who" are more common) so I can also accept it as a natural form not caused by snobbery. I've spoken to a few English people and they seem to have a similar experience to me where whom is not used naturally but might be used by some after being taught (which is a concept that disgusts me). I'd not be surprised if it was naturally used from childhood in a few dialects, but this seems to be rare. I am inclined to agree with your suggestion, but many of the instances of whom are from "corrections" to older edits with who. How does the suggestion apply to reverting earlier edits where an instance of who was changed to an unnatural instance of whom? Take a look at this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romulan&diff=443014356&oldid=442346289 The form that most speakers would use was changed to the highly unnatural form of "whom they resemble and with whom they share a common ancestry." The idea of someone using without being taught to is honestly laughable to me, particularly because of the avoidance of ending a sentence with a preposition, a very common and natural tendency in English that is avoided in some "formal" writing for no valid reason. I reverted it, but now have been reverted by someone else who called my edit disruptive. Which perhaps isn't wrong, but suggests the original edit was more disruptive. Does the age of the edit to change the natural form to an unnatural one matter? Dayshade (talk) 14:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Have you ever considered coming to WisCon?
I've enjoyed your efforts to polish the Ursula LeGuin article over the years, and some of your other work as well; and suspect you might enjoy yourself a great deal. I'm delighted to say that I met and talked to Ursula at a couple of the three WisCons she attended over the years (once at her own expense[!]). -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:31, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your praise! I'd love to go to WisCon, but I'm retired and on a very limited income, and hence have cut down hard on my spending. :-(
 * Would that I had met her too! --Thnidu (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Any good fan-run SF convention is a marvelous occasion to meet and talk to the members of this strange sub-set of humanity we call science fiction fandom. WisCon, being WisCon, is probably the single best place in the world to meet feminist SF readers, critics, writers, editors and scholars from all over the planet. Japanese scholar who was also the first woman in Japan to do cosplay? Yup. The Tiptree Award, Broad Universe, the Carl Brandon Society? All came out of panel discussions at WisCon. Janitor working on his MLS in Library Science? Old regular, got his degree now, has had books published. Pioneers of GLBT SF publishing? See them regularly. Pagan priestess who works for a union? Long-time attendee. Dominatrices? I can name two or three who are regulars. Xena impersonator? Invited to stop by, had a hoot. Mixed-race feminist prison guard from Alabama? Comes whenever she can. Harvard grad student doing a study of fannish cultural history? Got her business card on my desk as I type this. Hippie preacher-turned-Quaker and union activist? Every year since WisCon II. Hugo winners? Everywhere from the huckster's room to the podium to the hospitality suite. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  21:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 7
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Gender binary, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Binary.

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 * For any human who may happen to read this note, that was deliberate. Here's the context:
 * Gender binary (also known as gender binarism, binarism, or ambiguously genderism) [...] is the classification of gender into two distinct, opposite forms of masculine and feminine, whether by social system or cultural belief.[A]


 * [A] In this context the word "binary" often functions as a noun, unlike most other uses of the word, where it is an adjective.


 * --Thnidu (talk) 05:37, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Fun tip
Regarding your arrows pointing right, or up, to the Babel boxes on your user page, depending if you're on mobile or not, you could try this:


 * Languages I've worked with in recent years* include Thai, Tagalog, Pashto, Tigrinya, Moroccan Berber, Yoruba, Bengali, Tamil, and Urdu. I also developed and maintained the LDC's Language Resource Wiki.
 * Languages I've worked with in recent years* include Thai, Tagalog, Pashto, Tigrinya, Moroccan Berber, Yoruba, Bengali, Tamil, and Urdu. I also developed and maintained the LDC's Language Resource Wiki.


 * * But do not speak or write; those are

Try viewing this both on mobile and on desktop view. Cheers! Mathglot (talk) 05:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Later today, when I'm more awake. Thnidu (talk) 10:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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