User talk:Thorwald/Archive 1

Uilpata
Hi, Thorwald! I replaced Mount Uilpata with Mount Dzhimara, as the former is in fact the second highest point. If you have coordinates for Dzhimara, please feel free to add them. Thanks!--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 22:21, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi, Ezhiki. Sorry about that. I was wrong about Uilpata. I do not have the coordinates of Dzhimara, however, if I ever come across them I shall add them here. Thorwald 02:21, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Google worth

 * 03:58, 17 Nov 2004 m Sergey Brin (Changed "$6 billion" to "USD 6 billion (10^9)")
 * 03:57, 17 Nov 2004 m Larry Page (Changed "$6 billion" to "USD 6 billion (10^9)")

Why did you change this? I think when $ is written on its own it is pretty clearly USD, especially when in an article about people who own a US company. Is the added 10^9 to help distinguish between the American billion and British? Again it is clear from the context how much is meant.


 * I agree it does look a little "bulky" and maybe an over-kill in trying to use npov and to internationalise the content. The 10^9 is to distinguish between the United States "billion" and British usage. Feel free to revert it back to how it was before. I just wish the United States would join the rest of the world in order to standardise things.

Maxwell relations
Hello - I want to make some massive changes in the Maxwell relations page but I want to run it by you first, since you have worked on that page a lot. The Maxwell relationships are just the four equations numbered 1-4 that are now in the page. The other differential equations are not. I would like to rewrite the page to include just those four. The other differential equations deserve a separate page, that we could call perhaps "Thermodynamic equations". Paul Reiser 02:44, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Paul: Hello. Thank you for the questions and your interest in this article. When I took Physical Chemistry, my professor taught us that there were six Maxwell relationships. We even had to prove each of them as a homework problem (I have provided two of these proofs). I am completely open to any changes. However, I would like to keep the proofs in the article. We could put the other differential equations under a new article. Thorwald 05:25, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

According to my tome "Thermodynamics" by Randall and Lewis, Maxwells relations are derived from the differential definitions of thermodynamic potentials of which there are four main ones. (see thermodynamic potentials.) There may be others that could be defined, (see http://web.mit.edu/chemistry/alberty/part6.html) which would give rise to more Maxwell type relations, but the two proofs that you have are definitely not of this type. I really think that, since they are not Maxwell relations, they should be included in the new page, rather than the Maxwell relation page. Paul Reiser 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:A-B-Z-DNA Side View.png
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 * Thanks for the note. I created both images in the Z-DNA article. I have fully released them into the public domain. Thorwald 16:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I really like these images. At the moment I'm working on the main DNA page. I was wondering, for referencing, which PDB files did you use for these images? Thanks again for the great illustration! TimVickers 21:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks. I made these two images several years ago and I don't remember just now the PDB codes. They were made in Linux using the software from CCP4. I will look through my data and see if I can't find the PDB codes for you. --Thorwald 22:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If it jogs your memory, the PDB page on DNA has several examples. Might you have used these? TimVickers 17:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Phylogenetics software
FYI, I noticed your list of computational phylogenetics software, which was pretty but redundant with the existing list phylogenetics software. So I swiped your formatting for the existing list and converted computational phylogenetics software to a redirect. Any objections? (Also, it's great to see more computational biology people around!) Opabinia regalis 08:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi. I actually didn't realise there was that other article. It is nice having your list, as it has more entries. However, the reason I chose the title, "Computational Phylogentics Software" was that there seems to already be a trend for using this as a naming convention (e.g. Sequence alignment software). I actually prefer your title, as "computational ... software" seems somewhat redundant. Whatever we, and the Wikipedia community, choose is fine with me as long as we are consistent with it. (note: Yes. There are too few of us computational biologists. We should start our own sub-community, e.g. "Category:Wikipedians_who_are_computational_biologists".) --Thorwald 20:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there hasn't been much activity in this area besides us, so I guess for these purposes we are "the community" :) Keeping the parallelism with sequence alignment software sounds to me like a need for the improvement of phylogenetics, which is not so great at the moment.
 * Since I recently became more actively involved with Wikiproject Molecular and Cellular Biology, I had vague ideas about spawning a daughter project on computational biology, but I didn't think there'd be enough people participating to make it a worthwhile fork. (Maybe we do need a userbox to help collect us.) Opabinia regalis 03:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

This month's WP:MCB Article Improvement Drive article
– ClockworkSoul 21:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Computational phylogenetics peer review
Since you seem to be familiar with the subject, I wanted to let you know I've requested a peer review of the computational phylogenetics article here due to concerns about its accessibility or lack thereof. Any thoughts you have on the subject or edits to the article would be appreciated. Thanks! Opabinia regalis 04:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

One more vote for the coordinator of the Molecular and Cellular Biology Wikiproject
Since two of the three editors nominated for Coordinator of the MCB Wikiproject declined their nominations, one more vote has been posted: should the remaining nominee, ClockworkSoul, be named as the coordinator, or should nominations be reopened? Every opinion counts, so please vote! – ClockworkSoul 17:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

This month's winner is proteasome!
– ClockworkSoul 22:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

A-, B- and Z-DNA Structures
What was the source for your A-, B- and Z-DNA structures? I would like to make an version with a white background... - Zephyris Talk 00:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This month's winner is RNA interference!
– ClockworkSoul 14:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

RMSD article
I've disambiguated it to Root mean square deviation (bioinformatics)&mdash;RMSD really is used in many disciplines besides Bioinformatics... I've listed a few applications on root mean square deviation. DanielPenfield 22:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The Arusha Project
Until there is an article to disambiguate to, there shouldn't be an entry on the dab page for The Arusha Project - which is why I placed a redlink there. For details, see WP:MOSDAB. Which would you prefer - a redlink or nothing? Josh Parris #: 03:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have taken care of it. I wanted the link to remain there until I had time to start the article (which I have just done). I disagree with the MOSDAB policy . . . we need "placeholders" until full articles can be created. --Thorwald 04:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Native disorder in protein structures
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This month's MCB Collaboration of the Month article is Peripheral membrane protein!
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Radio.blog.club
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 * Please see Articles for deletion/Radio.blog.Club. We have already considered this before. The vote was to keep this article.--Thorwald 23:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Google maps
I removed the external linkage to Google Maps in the body of Plymouth, Montserrat. I would suggest looking over Category:Coordinates templates and readding the geo info in an external links section. See Ogle County Courthouse for an example of usage on that particular place (though that specific template may not be right for the Plymouth article. IvoShandor 11:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Saskatchewan population growth
Your graph has a rather odd y axis labelling scheme. Is there a specific reason for going into IT exponential notation on a general public site like Wikipedia? Not just 1.2&times;106 but IT "E" notation of which many are not familiar! I'd probably switch units to thousands, or stick to normal figures and use separators ("1 200 000" or "1,200,200") for clarity. — Ghiraddje 00:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I have uploaded a replacement plot. Thorwald 01:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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 * Says who? If the bot is not smart enough to figure out that album covers are fair use, then the bot needs more work before it can or should be put into action. --Thorwald 06:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The bot is working fine. You need to be fixed. Read over Non-free content and Fair use rationale guideline. If the non-free media that you upload does not contain a rationale for its use in each article it is used on, then it will be deleted. Non-free album cover states that the image is copyright to someone other than yourself. It does not say why it can be used in the article you put it in. A fair use rationale will.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 06:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. Fine. I shall explicitly add "this image is under fair use" to any album covers I upload. By the way, no need to resort to ad hominem attacks (i.e., "You need to be fixed"; see Staying cool when the editing gets hot). Not something I'd expect from an admin. I still think the bot needs to do a better job. This is a democracy, isn't it? --Thorwald 07:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That is not sufficient. The template states that it is fair use. A fair use rationale states why the English Wikipedia can use it under fair use. Look at Image:Statesman.png for a fair use rationale. Look at Image:Pikachu.png for several fair use rationales. Look at Image:Power Rangers - The Official Single.jpg for a fair use rationale for an album cover. All of these are permissible. Just typing "this image is under fair use" is not permissible. I'm sorry to be the bad cop, but you needed to be informed and hard.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude. I know the what the law states on fair use. I have been using this clause professionally since May 2000. Really. You need to chill a bit here. There is no need and no excuse for your "you needed to be informed and hard". That is just silly! These may be the "decisions" of a select few "admins", but it does not reflect the general will of the community (to which Wikipedia belongs! Remember that!). --Thorwald 07:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * These are decisions by the Wikimedia Foundation itself. We are being stricter than what US Fair Use law permits.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy— Ryūlóng ( 竜龍 ) 07:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Modeling point processes in R
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external links in the body of articles
See:
 * "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an 'External links' section at the end and/or in the appropriate location within an infobox or navbox." External links

and
 * "If an article has external links, the standard format is to place them in a bulleted list under a primary heading at the end of the article. External links should identify the link and briefly summarize the website's contents and why the website is relevant to the article." External links

also WP:NOTLINK, articles are not lists of external links.

P.D.: I was going to ask in the talk page of WP:EL, although I see that someone made already a similar question ;Wikipedia talk:External links/Archive 23 --Enric Naval (talk) 00:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * These "policies" are only suggestions, not hard rules. The guideline, "No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justifiable", is clear and this case is "justifiable". There are cases where it is appropriate to use external links inline (e.g., in a table). This article is certainly such a case. Until we write each of the associated articles, the external links should stay, as they help the user find the packages. This is the primary goal of Wikipedia: Helping users find the information they require. --Thorwald (talk) 00:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, helping people to find stuff that is outside of wikipedia is a violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The main goal is writing an encyclopedia (WP:ENC). Also, if you look at WP:REDLINK, leaving red links compels people to write those articles. Also, people might link at the "What links here" to see if a certain mane is being used often, or to find other articles pointing at the article they are creating so they can check them out, or to check if it's linked from many articles before nominating it for deletion as a measure of its "popularity". By using external links you are breaking all of that.


 * Leaving an external link will also not let you see when an article has been finally written. For example, I left a lot of wrong bluelinks like Desmond, which I should have changed to Desmond (software). However, I also made visible a few correct bluelinks: LAMMPS, Materials Studio, RasMol, which are now replaced by external links. --Enric Naval (talk) 01:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As I said before, these are guidelines, not rules. I don't care if it is a "violation" or not the goal of some people on Wikipedia to help people find stuff; it is my goal (and has been for the ~six years I have been active on Wikipedia). Anyway, my compromise can be seen on my last edit of the article (i.e., I moved the external links to a separate column). --Thorwald (talk) 02:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. That looks good enough to me, I was mostly interested in that the names were red links; I explained my reasons here to another editor (I reached a similar agreement with him about the links at List of nucleic acid simulation software but your version looks much better, I'll tell him about it). Again, thanks for understanding and for finding such a good solution. --Enric Naval (talk) 02:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the original version was better, but a separate column is also acceptable. But in this case column "Website" should not contain a "link", but a source name. And should not be empty cells, even where article on Wikipedia exist. Please look at my latest version of List of nucleic acid simulation software. (P99am (talk) 09:00, 3 April 2009 (UTC))

Perhaps the idea of a separate column is good enough if the work is done accurately. Look what happened now: To meet some formal rules are not sufficient reason to do such things. Those who want to improve the article should make a good job, but do not break the page. I therefore propose to revert to the original version - with external links. (P99am (talk) 14:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC))
 * We have a column with the same "link" statements.
 * Some of the blue links become incorrect.
 * Some names of programs black and some red, without any principle.
 * Half of the links had become red. This is too much. We must keep in mind that Wikipedia for the first time for users, and only secondarily is invitetion for the editors.


 * It is easy to criticize, but better to help fix things. You didn't give any specific examples to the new "problems" you find with my latest edit. What did you mean by "We have a column with the same 'link' statements"? Which of the blue links became "incorrect"? I fixed the names in black (you could have as well). We should rename the "links" to the names of the institutes the packages originated (like you did in List of nucleic acid simulation software). I actually now think the new version is better, as it retains the external links (for our users) and reminds the editors which articles need to be created (the red links). The new version should stay, but be improved. --Thorwald (talk) 21:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I fixed a few incorrect blue links at List of software for molecular mechanics modeling]List of software for molecular mechanics modeling. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Philomena, Duchess of Vendôme
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The Historian
You have added an infobox to the above article, citing "external parsers". Could you please explain what this means? Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 04:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * They are websites (e.g., dbpedia), RSS/Atom feeders/readers, bots, programs/software, etc. that rely on standards or guidelines set in Wikipedia for them to work properly. Every time these "standards" change (such as the removal of the infobox), the external parsers no longer work for the page in question. --Thorwald (talk) 04:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure why we are obliged to do things a certain way on Wikipedia for external programs. Infoboxes, in my opinion, are undesirable for a number of reasons. One of the most important is that they discourage new users from editing (see the usability study). When the first thing that editors see is a bunch of confusing code rather than the clearer text of the lead, they are highly discouraged from editing. What is gained in a novel article from the infobox does not outweigh this, in my opinion, since the infobox just repeats the information from the lead. Awadewit (talk) 17:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

BLAST
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 * Hi. Sorry about reverting you. I thought you were simply section blanking. I agree with you that the commercial links are unnecessary and I have just removed them. --Thorwald (talk) 12:14, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
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Your edit to History of supernova observation
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at History of supernova observation, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You have no right to do that, as I was just using the official templates. Go gripe with them about their use. --Thorwald (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I have reported this matter at Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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