User talk:Threedeezeens

The sexual politics of meat
Your article makes no effort to show the notability of the book. It's abundantly clear that the author finds it notable but we need reliable, verifiable, independent sources to show the book's notability. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I should also point out that you're writing an encyclopedia article, not a term-paper. I'd expect it to start something like
 * The Sexual Politics of Meat is a 1990 book by Carol J. Adams about...
 * If you go to Special:Preferences and, under Gadgets, turn on ProveIt, you'll get access to a tool which will help you properly form your references from a web link or ISBN number. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 19:57, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding some more sources. However - ecolitbooks.com is a blog, which is not a reliable source, and bloomsbury.com is the book's publisher which is not an independent source. Cabayi (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Help
Hey can someone helpme edit this page? I'm new to Wiki-editing and it still doesn't quite make sense to me - PLZ keep this page up because its for my midterm. Threedeezeens (talk) 21:15, 16 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Nobody has suggested deleting the page but it still needs improvement. On the technical side you seem to be doing fine. Picking a subject and then finding there are insufficient sources to support the article is a common problem for Wiki Edu contributors. The article is sufficiently robust that it's unlikely to be subject to a speedy deletion. That means you'll have at least a week's advance notice of any deletion proposal. Pleading that it's for your midterm won't make a difference, the community is concerned with building an encyclopedia, not running a school.
 * I have however nominated the image of the book's cover for deletion as a copyright violation. WikiCommons will only accept images which are free of any copyright restrictions. Once it's been deleted there (not before, or with a different title if you really can't wait) you should load it on this wiki (not commons) with a claim of "fair use" (see WP:FURE). Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Legacypac (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Notes on book
Hi - I received a notification that your article was moved to the draftspace. I have some notes for you:


 * Wikipedia almost never lists out a book's chapters. The only time they do that is when the chapters are of some particular importance - in other words, the chapters have a lot of coverage that focuses on them specifically. Instead of listing out the chapters, you should instead write a summary of the book itself. You could separate the summary into the different major sections, if you like, but there's no need to go chapter by chapter. It should be a very general overview that touches on the very major highlights.


 * Some of the lead could be moved into a section that goes over the development of the book itself - the lead should generally be on the shorter side unless the article itself is particularly long.


 * With sourcing, make sure that your sourcing is independent and reliable. Notability is not inherited by the author being a notable person - what you need to show is where other people, unaffiliated with Adams, have written about the book in academic texts, journal articles, newspapers, or the like. The best place for this sourcing is going to be your school's databases, since a lot of the coverage is most likely going to be in the academic and scholarly spheres. What you want are things like this. You can use primary sources to back up basic details, but they can't show notability.


 * Avoid original research, which is research and conclusions you come up with that aren't explicitly stated in your sources. The section you have on "The Absent Referent" is an example of original research for a few reasons. The first is that you highlighted it above other things that may be mentioned in the book. Someone could argue that other points in the book are of greater or equal importance and should be highlighted before this one, as this was chosen due to your own preference and giving the term its own section gives it undue weight above others. (It's not that I don't think that it isn't worth highlighting, just that these are common arguments with articles.) The second is that you follow the definition of this term with this:
 * Carol J. Adams argues that women and animals are connected by this principal - a tool used by the Patriarchy to maintain control over it's subjects. By this definition, Veganism like Feminism is a movement that directly opposes the violent nature of Male-domination. Creating a silence around the oppression of marginalized beings and turning them into objects helps to render the practice normal.
 * This is unsourced, so it would be seen as original research. It's not that it's necessarily wrong, just that you need to make sure that you source it so that incoming people know that it isn't your own interpretation on this book and term. Basically, what you need here is just more sourcing so that it's clear that it's not original research and that these are claims and arguments Adams explicitly makes in the book - or ones made by authorities who are writing about the work in reliable sources.

Offhand this really is an interesting book - I've not read it, but I'm familiar with the ideas in it and it's surprising that this book didn't already have an article. I don't think that you'll have much trouble finding sourcing, offhand. This was a very good choice for an article topic - let me know if you need/want any help! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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