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Flat Holm
Hi Tony, Thanks for the message. I'm glad you are working on Flat Holm & will help where I can. For referencing (& it is definitely best to do it as you go along) see Citing sources. As far as using your own leaflets etc - if they are "published" & from a WP:RS then it should be a problem but watch out for WP:COI. Using a variety of sources is always best. As far as the long road to FA is concerned, it can be a difficult, but enjoyable, journey. The first target is WPGA so look at the criteria there. Also look at similar areas - Lindy comes to mind & lean from the work of others. The shortest time I've seen it done was about 2 months & that was with an experienced team of editors.&mdash; Rod talk 16:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Your sandbox seems fine but try to do it as text rather than a list. The ref seems to be formatted OK but you need to add at the bottom to make it display properly (this is already in the Flat Holm article. Watch out for statements such as "would have been familiar.." unless there is some documentary evidence to back it up. You don't need |upright| in the caption formatting.&mdash; Rod talk 16:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Tony, saw your note on Rod's talk page and thought I would take a look. I think the lighthouse section could be expanded and a better photo added. There is scope for a section on Geology (part of the Mendip, Brean Down, Steep Holm chain???). Other topics you might include or work in somewhere are buildings on the island, agricultural use, population over time, public access to the island. As for references, try searching http://books.google.com/ or see if you can find what is available at the relevant Records Office or public libraries. Original sources are always best when available. Good luck!Derek Andrews (talk) 11:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Derek thanks for looking at article I've taken your advice not sure how much more to expand it - I've got loads of pics of lighthouse do you think it would be over OK to have s 'gallery' with some interior shots or is that too much? Tony (talk) 04:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is coming on well. As far as how much to add - more is generally better as long as it can be supported by refs etc. A few comments based on the "current state" - The lede needs to be expanded to summarise the whole article. The bit about lead mine in history could go as now covered in geology (but move the ref). Several items in the history of the lighthouse need refs. stuff on the battery needs refs. Geography needs refs for measurements. Refs are needed for GCR & SSSI (but English Nature web site is currently down). Flora really needs to be prose rather than list. I would also add something about who can visit & how. Once all that is done you could put it up for GA. As far as a benchmark goes - look at Lundy which is currently GA. The other place to look (& ? join/ask for help) is WP:UKGEO look at the listed articles which are FA or GA. I'm flying out of the country in a few hours so will not be around to help for 8 days, but good luck with developing it.&mdash; Rod talk 20:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Tony, thank you for your thank you, you have written a good article. I'm rather afraid all I am any good at is spotting errors in other articles.  I could never write a piece from scratch for all the tea in china!  Good Luck. MikeF9 (talk) 21:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Your merge of Kayak fishing
Hi TR001, and welcome to Wikipedia. Before you merge articles, like Kayak fishing, you should check the recent edit history for the article to see if other people have shown a recent interest in the same article. It is not usually a good idea to just merge an article somewhere else without regard to what has gone before. Also, moves like this are usually discussed first on the article talk page, and not proceeded with until some consensus has been reached (if none else responds, you may take that as consensus). However in the case of merges, there is an established special procedure of first using these merge templates.

Anyway, I have reverted your edits - that article you merged is also of interest to Wikiproject:Fisheries and Fishing, and it cannot serve its purpose there if it is merged into another article the way you have done. Keep trucking on! --Geronimo20 (talk) 09:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - It's the first time I've done it so I read the guide and it said to read the discussion, (which I did) and 'be bold' so I did.  I would appreciate your advice on how to treat the merged content on Sea Fishing in Sea_kayak as it is an increasingly important aspect of the sport. I obviously don't want to duplicate but just putting a link back to your article would look a bit thin?  Tony (talk) 13:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * If you look at the kayak article, you can see how they have done the same thing with sea kayaks. It is an established practice to split significant sections, when appropriate, to their own articles. The guidelines are here. If the article that has been split off has a well written lede (opening section), then the lede should be pretty much all you need. In this case kayak fishing doesn't have an adequate lede yet. The summary you have put in seems fine. All that is missing is the link to kayak fishing. You do this by adding "" at the top of the section. --Geronimo20 (talk) 02:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That's useful advice - I agree it works better. I will see if I can expand Kayak fishing Tony (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Disappearing gun
Hi - thanks for adding information to Wikipedia - however, you took 90% of this straight out of the source, making it a form of copyright violation. I have rewritten and condensed the information to make it legally usable on Wikipedia. Please refrain from copy-past edits, we don't want lawsuits against Wikipedia. Cheers. Ingolfson (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I've been wondering if I did this correctly so your example is very useful. If the owner of the source has given me permission to use their written work how should I indicate this please?  Tony (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * To do this correctly is actually relatively complicated. You could request the permission, then send the email or document giving it to be stored on Wikipedia via the OTRS system (which is a sort of clearinghouse for such permissions - though the main use is for the use of image files etc... on Wikimedia Commons). The other option is to get the other party to display a license/comment on their source material (i.e. in such a case on their webpage) stating that they release the material under GFDL or public domain. In most cases, it is easier, with text/information, to simply rephrase it (but it should be more than superficial changes - I tend to rewrite it from scratch instead of changing words only, which is a dubious way of doing it). Note that limited amounts of material, such as direct verbatim quotes or very short sections, can be copied as long as the source is clearly indicated. Cheers. Ingolfson (talk) 08:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Improving Cardiff articles
Hi Tony,

I have noticed your edits recently, and I only want to encourage you to make more, but there are a few things in Wikipedia which have to be done and other things that are convention. I found that the best place to start is to look at the featured articles, as these articles have already been examined for every possible error. Although I have County Hall on my "To Do List", please go ahead with any edits you like, but please give as many references as possible citing all sources of information. All images must also have similar references, such as the exact web page that you copied an image...The best places for images (apart from your own) are http://www.geograph.org.uk/ and http://flickr.com/, but you can only use the images on the Creative Commons Attribution License and Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. All other licences you cannot use on Wikipedia. If you have received an image from someone like a friend or work colleague etc., you must always check that it is acceptable to Wikipedia to use on the website before you proceed. If you have any problems please contact any administrator, they are always very helpful. All the best. Seth Whales (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Cardiff Bay Wetlands Reserve
Hi Tony,

To be honest if information is in the public domain, like information on the BBC website, then this is acceptable as a reference; neutral point of view (NPOV) is a corner stone of Wikipedia. General criticism of an organisation or idea (with appropriate external references) is acceptable...see Criticism of Wikipedia, Criticism of Christianity, Criticism of atheism, Criticism of Microsoft, Criticism of the BBC...etc. etc. The same applies to CHA or any other organisation. Wikipedia is not a mouth piece for any organisation; they would have their own website for that.

I have not reverted your edit, as I have assumed you have made the changes in good faith but please always aim for a neutral point of view even if you are employed by that organisation, it is difficult, but that is what Wikipedia strives for...Best wishes. Seth Whales (talk) 09:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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British bikes
Good work on the British bike category. I have had a go at the Triumph Thunderbird article. I put some specs in the infobox that don't appear for some reason. Rocket III eh? I am desperate for a T160 and have been for years! Cheers Nimbus (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'm no expert on infoboxes but if you look at the Template:Infobox Motorcycle a lot of the useful things aren't included but I've been adding them anyway and hope that someone can extend the template.  What do you think about splitting off stubs for the different Thunderbirds? Tony (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a tricky one splitting them. I personally regard anything made by the modern Triumph company as completely different and separate and have even suggested splitting the Triumph Motorcycles main article which was not popular. It's born out by the separate owner's clubs. I like some of the modern Triumphs so I am not biased particularly (looked after a Trophy 900 for a friend, great bike). There is plenty written on the Meriden bikes but maybe not so much on the Hinckley models. There is a 'Hinckley' section in both the Bonneville and Trident articles as well. I think what we have at the moment is a compromise that we could live with until a Hinckley enthusiast/expert comes along and expands/splits the articles. In the case of the Tbird it could be difficult to find much on the TR65 (I do have some info) and could see future arguments to merge new articles back!! Happens all the time in the aircraft project. I did not look at the infobox template yet (would not know what to do anyway!). I think the infobox should be fairly short and we could devise a 'specs' table similar to the one in Yamaha RD500LC and other articles. We have an ongoing problem in the aircraft project where the glider infobox is longer than the page! This silly situation has come about because the project could not agree over adding just two glider specific values in the standard aircraft 'specs' table. A funny bunch. Cheers Nimbus (talk) 22:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Dear TR001, thank you for creating "Category:British Motorcycles". Your list of articles on individual models is new and could be useful. However, your list of manufacturers seems to duplicate the existing "Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom". Do you think you should merge or rationalize the two categories? Best wishes, Motacilla (talk) 21:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I've linked up to "Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom" and the various lists of models so that it's easier to update the links to individual bike artilces. Thanks Tony (talk) 05:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Motorcycling Wikiproject
Welcome to the Motorcycling WikiProject. Hopefully you have a good time, start many new articles and can contribute lots to the existing ones as we need that. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 19:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Flat Holm GA nom
Tony, I think you should be the one to nominate Flat Holm for GA as it was your push which brought it up to the current standard - but if you want me to do it just give me a shout.&mdash; Rod talk 20:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Classic Bike redirect
Sorry about that. I saw the two articles with identical content and similar names, and I assumed you weren't up on the concept of redirects and took it upon myself to do it myself. It seems as if you had the same idea. Whoops. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 17:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Cotton - CCM - Armstrong - Rotax Info
Stuff I collected but did not use.

Classic Racer, Issue 121, (North West 200) "Call of the roads", part three, by Nigel C. pp26-32 Publisher: Gerard Kane ISSN 1470-4463

''With British motorcycle fans in a state of depression, the result from Oulton Park came not only as a shock but a fabulous surprise. Derek Huxley, a little-known national rider, local to the Cheshire circuit, had pushed world champion Kork Ballington and his invincible Kawasaki to the race of his life. what's more Huxley had done it on, of all things, a Cotton.'The new machine, built in Bolton, sported a 250cc Rotax V-Twin two stroke, which was the equal of the world's best and between them they set and broke the lap record several times. Suddenly, the racing world was on fire and everyone wanted a Cotton. For whatever reason, that one-off V twin remained just that, not making it into production until later years when it formed the basis for Aprilia's successful Grand Prix effort. Instead, Rotax built an in-line twin', very much on the lines of the Kawasaki and Cotton's order book read like a who's who of British quarter-litre racing.''

The 1980 NW200 saw the new Cottons fill the rostrum with Steve Cull, Tony Rutter and Chas Mortimer taking the places. It wasn't entirely good news, however, for the Armoy Armada's Merv Robinson was killed when his Yamaha seized. Coincidentally, Robinson had been granted the same racing number as Frank Kennedy who died from injuries sustained in a crash the previous year. The Armoy Armada met once more following Robinson's death and the decision was made to wind up the club.

The final race of the 1980 meeting was the superbike event and the record books show it was the first and only appearance of 19 year-old Keith Huewen. He mastered the TZ750 and the roads to just pip like mounted John Newbold.

A year later the Cotton was now under the Armstrong CCM badge and Steve Tonkin was the man to beat, though no one did and he romped the 250 cc race from Pete Wild and Steve Cull. The 350 cc race was another of North West legend, with Donny Robinson and Connor McGinn swapping the lead at almost every corner throughout the whole race. They were both credited with fastest lap at 116.9I mph but it was Robinson who got the verdict on the line by just 0.2secs.

There was another noticeable change in the superbike race when Joey Dunlop made his home debut as a works Honda rider on the mighty 1123 cc four-stroke. It was fairytale stuff as all the rivals retired, 'Marshall, Newbold, Grant, George, Williams etc, Dunlop pressed on and eked out such a lead he had time to stop to see if his old sponsor John Rea needed a lift back to the paddock!

Charlie Williams needed all his experience and more besides to win the 500 cc race as his Yamaha was some 15 mph down on the Suzukis of Steve Parrish and George Fogarty, who passed him on the final straight, leaving him no option but to perform a heart-stopping outbraking manoeuvre at Metropole corner to regain the lead and the take the win. The race was again marred by tragedy as John Newbold crashed fatally at Juniper Hill, just metres away from the scene of Herron's crash. It was a moving sight as 80,000 people went silent when the news was broken over the PA.

Graham Wood (TZ-750) was just so close in the superbike race, leading in his debut race he overshot at Metropole Corner letting Roger Marshall (Suzuki) through. Marshall seemed to have the race in the bag but Ron Haslam (Honda) pulled out of his slipstream to pinch it at the line by a couple of feet. Tony Rutter took his ninth North West win in the 350cc race and Stu Avant broke the lap record twice in his efforts to stay ahead of debutee Norman Brown, (both Suzuki), He won by 0.8 secs.

Haslam and Marshall withdrew from the title race leaving Mick Grant (Suzuki) and Joey Dunlop (Honda) to slug it out - and slug it out they did, the mighty four-strokes both leading on the final lap with Grant taking victory by just 0.4 secs.

No sponsor meant potentially no races for 1983 until Dacia Cars stepped in at the 11th hour (what ever happened to Dacia? - Ed). The meeting suffered nevertheless from heavy rain and the absence of both Grant, out with a wrist injury and Marshall, bed ridden with a mystery bug.

However, it was the first time the public saw the new RS500 and RVF Honda, both ridden by Joey Dunlop. Dunlop won the 500 cc race and remains the last man to do so as the class was dropped the following year. He also took the main event on the new V4.

The rains played a big part in 1981, too, both Grant and Marshall crashing out of the superbike race, leaving the way clear for Dunlop to inherit the win.

''Young hot-shot Scot Niall Mackenzie made his presence felt, taking the 350 cc Armstrong to a runner spot behind Kevin Mitchell's Yamaha, after having led the race comfortably before the Armstrong faltered temporarily. The Rotax engine showed it still had pace in the 250 cc class when Andy Watts, Brian Reid and Graeme McGregor made it an EMC 1-2-3.''

A year later, Dunlop set the 250 cc pace on the Honda with Watts (EMC) and Mackenzie (Armstrong) just a couple of seconds adrift. Marshall's luck changed in the superbike race when having all but given up on catching Rob McEinea (Skoal Bandit Suzuki), the leader's bike stuck in gear and Marshall, Woods (Yamaha), and Grant (Suzuki) went through.


 * Armstrong England, Armstrong manufacturing bought Cotton in 1980. In 1984 Armstrong bought the rights from the bankrupt Italian SMW company to build the SMW Tornado. The Armstrong MT 500 is used by the English, Canadian and Jordanian armies. 506cc Rotax engines http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/porsche/651/history.html

Seasalt (talk) 06:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Kaye Don
Thanks for Kaye Don. I've been feeling the gap for a while (I've been active myself with some 1930s motor racing pages), but didn't have any source material to start it myself. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Andy - I found detials while I was researching Ambassador Motorcycles but still can't track down a free photo so it would be great if you can find one Tony (talk) 11:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Penarth and area photographs
Thanks for the kind words Tony, I am a lot happier with the Penarth entry now, it was pretty dire when I first picked it up back in March. Your offer of photographs is much appreciated, but please don't go out of your way. If however you are passing one day and have the box brownie in your pocket I would love some or any of the following:


 * Penarth town centre roundabout, with the clock and shops in the background
 * The Italian Gardens on the seafront
 * Penarth yacht club and lifeboat station
 * Stanwell School (any shots at all) with or without schoolkids in uniform
 * Westbourne House School, with or without kids
 * Paget rooms
 * Washington Buildings (the old cinema)
 * All Saints Church
 * Glamorganshire Golf Club
 * Dinas Powys village centre and the Twyn
 * Dinas Powys castle
 * Barry Island Pleasure Park, general views or rides like the Log Flume
 * Penarth Rugby club stand, clubhouse and the athletic field
 * Lavernoch Church, the Marconi Hut and Lavernock Fort
 * Anything from Cogan - school, Hebron Church, Coronation club, general street shots, street corners where shops once were, rooftops view from Redlands Heights
 * Lisvane village shots, anything except the church which is already there, a view down from the Graig
 * Sully Island from the Captain's Wife car park with the tide in
 * Cosmeston medieval village
 * Cosmeston Lakes visitor centre

On a general note I am fascinated by everyday photos from the 1900s and 1930s. The photographers then didn't know they were recording stuff that would one day vanish. If we don't record everyday stuff now and put it into the record there will be nothing of today for our grandchildren to 'Ooh' and 'Ah' over in a hundred years time and say how quaint and old fashioned it all looks.... the shop fronts, the cars, the clothes, the buildings, etc. If you can load them up to www.geograph.org.uk with creative commons licences and let me know where to look, I would be eternally grateful. Big Ade 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Ade I'll take the camera next time I go to Penarth and see what I can do. Some of them I know well but I've never been to Dinas Powys castle so that will be interesting. I agree about the stuff that vanishes - I keep missing the chance in Cardiff as things disappear so fast! Just had a look at Geograph - do you think it's better to put things there than on Wiki Commons?  I've been working to get Flat Holm to GA and learnt a lot about refs.  The Penarth article has some sections without any, such as 'wartime' but otherwise is heading for GA status, which would be good. Tony (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intrude on the conversation but I still have this talk page on my watchlist... If you do put them on geograph undeer CC you can also upload them to wikicommons & use the template image-number to save adding all the details again.&mdash; Rod talk 20:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rod I was wondering what was best as I've not used Geograph. What's your view on some of the cuts recomended on Flat Holm please? Tony (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it has "too much information" & that Malleous has responded. There are still a few areas where the reviewer has asked for citations & if you could provide these I think that should do the job.&mdash; Rod talk 20:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tony, I had already spotted the pics and started inserting them into articles. Cracking photos btw and it looked like a perfect day for it 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Great new pics, I have already uploaded several to Penarth, Cogan, Vale of Glamorgan and Stanwell School. Have you had a chance to look at the sandbox at User:21stCenturyGreenstuff/Radyr yet? Add away freely, it needs to have its size doubled from what is there now, but never mind if that is impossible 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 16:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take some more when I can - Radyr article is coming along nicely I've just added refs to the sports section.  One thing I found when improving the Flat Holm site is that its best to use the Cite button on the toolbar for web refs as it auto inserts the access date and has spaces for more info such as ref name and title.  Some of the refs on Penarth are 404 so I'll have a look at them if its a wet weekend... Thanks Tony (talk) 20:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Flat Holm Final GA passage
Hi Tony. I've done quite a deal of work on the Flat Holm article to get it to GA status, and I think it's just about there. There's only a single tag left in the article. Once that's fixed, I think it'll be set. Best, epicAdam (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Great editing you have really brought it all together - and I've just added the missing ref so nearly there Thanks Tony (talk) 06:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on all your hard work in getting Flat Holm to GA. Now if you wanted to think about FA.....&mdash; Rod talk 20:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your help and advice I've really appreciated it. It was a steep learning curve but I've enjoyed it. The next challenge is my 'village' of Radyr (which had no refs or pictures last week) If you have a spare moment perhaps you could take a look at it?  I've discovered a unique plant and a Norman motte so far - and a Knight from the Battle of Bosworth...  Cheers Tony (talk) 17:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, just had a look at the Radyr page...it needs pulling to pieces and putting back together again. You could get away with it at Flat Holm because there is no guidance on writing about an island, but Radyr is a settlement and the current order of paragraphs does not conform with WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements and would need a hell of a rewrite to conform. Before you do too much work on the detailed content let me have a go at a restructure similar to the one I did on Penarth and Spilsby in Lincolnshire. I will get stuck in at the weekend 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 18:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That would be really useful as it was your work on Penarth that inspired me to look at the Radyr article. I'll keep on doing research but will hold off until the structure is right Thanks Tony (talk) 07:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, the Radyr sandbox page is here User:21stCenturyGreenstuff/Radyr. If we do all our development work here, when it is finished and polished we can transfer the finished article across to the pukka Radyr page all in one hit. That way it will qualify as a "Did you know" page and we can feature the Radyr Hawkweed as the DYK topic. Bookmark the sandbox and fiddle away to your heart's content in there 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 12:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarendon motorcycles?
Replied here, but can't find anything. Cheers ww2censor (talk) 15:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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TR001/archive
It appears that you have accidentally created your talk page archive on mainspace. I've moved it to User talk:TR001/archive 1. I moved it first to your user space and then found out that it should be on your talk space. Sorry about that mix up. Anyway, when you next archive your page, please be sure to put it under User talk:TR001. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 19:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - its the first time I've archived so wasn't sure how to do it Tony (talk) 19:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! I've added an archive box to your userpage to provide a convenient link to you and others to access your talk page archive. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 04:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Again!
This time you did put "User" in the title so you were trying! I have moved User.TR001/British Bike Manufacturer to User:TR001/British Bike Manufacturer &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - its getting dark early in Cardiff and with my failing eyesight I mistook a : for a . Tony (talk) 18:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

British motorcycles (answer)
Hi TR001

What do you mean exactly with "referencing them to each other"? If you simply mean the establishment of the interwiki links, you have to know that nl:Categorie:Brits motorfietsmerk is the equivalent of Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom, which is not the same as the higher-in-rank Category:British motorcycles. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I've tried adding a en:Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom to the discussion page but don't know how best to cross reference the nl stubs to the more detailed versions I've created on the en wiki. Is there a simple way to convert en:Category:British motorcycles onto the nl wiki? Tony (talk) 13:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Interwiki links are always located in the left lower corner ("languages"). For example, if you look at Category:Motorcycle manufacturers of the United Kingdom, you will see that in addition to our English version, there are Italian and Dutch versions as well. Same for single motorcycle articles, of course. It is very simple to make such an interwiki link on the Dutch Wikipedia, for example.
 * You simply add (at the absolute bottom of the page):
 * in the article nl:ABC (Brooklands)
 * Or
 * in the article nl:Zenith (motorfiets)
 * You just have to be sure about the correct English title and, logically, about the fact that both articles handle about the same make. Two things left: What do you mean with "to convert onto the nl wiki"? And, have a look at nl:Brits historisch motorfietsmerk, a huge subcategory of nl:Categorie:Brits motorfietsmerk, which includes 762 (!) marques that do not exist anymore. We have a very good motorcycle specialist at nl: who made thousands of articles about in many cases extremely small, unknown and forgotten brands. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That makes sense - thanks for your help Tony (talk) 06:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I just fixed the link above, by the way. Belgian man (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Move?
Your edit summary on Chrystabel Leighton-Porter claimed that it was "moved from Christabel". No it was not - it was a copy&paste which concealed the article's edit history. If you want a new title, use the "move" tab! &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 23:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point glad one of us is paying attention Thruxton (talk) 07:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)