User talk:Thruxton/archive 7

Here's a template version of your banner
(The file name is Template:On OOMandM).

You can prepend it to (the beginning of) talk pages using WP:AWB.

Do you have AWB yet? And do you know how to use it?

The Transhumanist 23:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: I changed the name of the outline, in case you were wondering who did it. ;)

Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling
I've done some work on it. It needs an annotation after each em-dash, and it needs the topics that are listed under "other" to be placed in the outline somewhere.

There are still motorcycle topics on Wikipedia that are not included. We need to hunt them down. Articles in lists (such as motorcycle manufacturers) don't need to be listed individually in the outline.

The Transhumanist 02:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

BSA Thunderbolt
Hi Thruxton, i have a photo of my BSA Thunderbolt and thought it might be useful to have it as the image for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_Thunderbolt entry. I've been trying to upload it but been having trouble so i uploaded it to the wikimedia site if you'd like to use it. Its at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BSA_Thunderbolt.jpg

Codes84 (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Codes84
 * Thanks for the photo I've put it on the article Thruxton (talk) 22:32, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope that neither of you mind but I've taken the liberty of cropping and tweaking the picture to show the bike off a bit better. Lovely bike b.t.w.! --Biker Biker (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for BSA A65 Star
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for McEvoy Motorcycles
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Keep up the good motorcycle work. ww2censor (talk) 15:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of BSA A65 Rocket
Hello! Your submission of BSA A65 Rocket at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! EdChem (talk) 06:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC) EdChem (talk) 06:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Follow up... I have made some ref corrections and MoS tweaks for you (please have a look, for future reference). Unfortunately, I can't fix reference 2, which is:  Only you can tell whether this means page 46 or page 160, and thus make the correction.  Good news is, we are almost there.  EdChem (talk) 10:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks I got mixed up with the different books it is page 160 have put it right now Thruxton (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem - I have approved the DYK nom. :)  EdChem (talk) 10:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have also tweaked the hook to:


 * ... that the 1964 BSA A65 Rocket motorcycle had a top speed of 108 mph and was sold as the fastest being produced by BSA?
 * The fastest BSA does not make literal sense as BSA is a company, not a motorbike. "... fastest BSA motorcycle in production" or something similar would also be ok.  Thoughts?  EdChem (talk) 11:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes of course - it was supposed to have the word motorcycle - it has now thanks Thruxton (talk) 11:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for BSA A65 Rocket
Orlady (talk) 06:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sherril Huff
Please note that if you oppose the deletion of a page marked for proposed deletion, all you need to do is remove the tag from the page. There is no need to create an unnecessary AfD page just to oppose a proposed deletion, as you did with Articles for deletion/Sherril Huff. I have copied your comment to the talk page and nominated the AfD discussion for speedy deletion. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination for BSA Empire Star
Hello! Your submission of BSA Empire Star at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 28bytes (talk) 13:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bert Perrigo
The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space
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Outline of kayaking and canoeing
Hi. It looks good. Just a quick reminder that you need to mention it in the edit summary, if you copy large portions of text from other articles (per WP:COPYWITHIN). I've done so here. Thanks. :) -- Quiddity (talk) 18:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks will do - it's not very well written anyway so am planning to revise the two paras from the original articles Thruxton (talk) 19:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice job so far. The Transhumanist  00:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Digging tools
These tools help a great deal when you are trying to uncover everything Wikipedia has on subjects:


 * Grep — search pages titles using regexps.
 * CatScan — powerful search using categories, included templates, etc.

The main navigation footer template for a subject is often a treasure trove of links. Like this one:

I look forward to seeing the outline once you've completed it. It is well on the way to being well developed. Here is an example:


 * Outline of forestry

Have fun! The Transhumanist 00:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for BSA Empire Star
The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Citations, etc.
You are welcome.

In answer to your question, I don't bother with citations much - and focus most of my energies on building the outlines. Besides, the articles I've been copying the annotations from should already include citations, and when the text I select for an annotation has citations, I copy those over as well.

Via "click through" to the main article on each listed topic, the reader should have access to all the citations available on any given topic.

But, just like articles, the more citations the better - they strengthen the integrity of the information provided and offer the reader further research options. So, when I run across a citation in the encyclopedia that fits something in an outline, I insert it in the outline. But usually, the citation supports a descriptive statement, and I wind up using both!

I hope these tips help.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 23:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Outline development tip: pictures
I prefer to get pictures that are not displayed on the main article (or in the case of a double-subject title, the main articles), because providing different pics makes the outlines more interesting. The contents of an outline doesn't simply rehash the main article, and neither should its pictures.

At the bottom of every outline is a sisterlinks box, with a link to Wikimedia Commons. That website often has better pictures than those displayed in the main article.

Another good source for pics is the lesser trafficked articles on the subject.

While selecting pics, keep in mind that the more stunning the photographs, the better.

Some examples of outlines with good picture support include:
 * Outline of forestry
 * Outline of Iceland
 * Outline of France
 * Outline of Vatican City
 * Outline of Japan
 * Outline of Thailand
 * Outline of Taiwan
 * Outline of Gibraltar
 * Outline of architecture

I hope this tip helps.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 00:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: Another tip: to quickly browse all the outlines in the example list above, try Linky.
 * Thanks for these tips - you have some good suggestions for editors who want to develop Outlines, so it would be useful if you put them together into a Help file? (I tried searching for one but couldn't find it) I agree about the images - I've got loads of kayaking pictures so its just a matter of finding time to upload them.  (The kayaker on the Helford river is me, by the way - at dawn, wondering how long it would take to kayak to Falmouth...) Cheers Thruxton (talk) 13:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Good job getting that image
I wanted to stop and say good job for getting the image of Ms. Huff on here. Well done. --Kumioko (talk) 19:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks its a good pic and they were really helpful - just shows it is worth asking and we get to promote Wikipedia positively at the same time. Got to wait for the OTRS team to do their bit now... Cheers Thruxton (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Request: a little each log-on

 * Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling
 * Outline of canoeing and kayaking

If each of us does an edit or three to each of these outlines each time we log on they'll be completed fairly soon, and painlessly.

Then they'll be great examples of sports outlines that other sports WikiProjects can use as models for outlines on their respective sports.

I look forward to seeing your expert touch on these (by comparison, I know next to nothing about them).

Thank you.

Have fun.

Sincerely, The Transhumanist 23:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Outline of canoeing and kayaking
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wasp Motorcycles
Hello! Your submission of Wasp Motorcycles at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I think I'll have to admit defeat on this one. I have been in touc with the company by email but they haven't replied yet, so it will be too late for DYK - and someone has AfD'd the article now but thanks anyway Thruxton (talk) 19:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Lesley-Ann Brandt
Hi, I just approved your hook at DYK. According to the DYK rules, you need to cite every line in the charts. I was able to do all the films; could you add references for the two music videos? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ thanks for your help with this Thruxton (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Wasp Motorcycles for deletion
A discussion has begun about whether the article Wasp Motorcycles, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Wasp Motorcycles until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. SmartSE (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lesley-Ann Brandt
Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Wasp - good reference for you
Going to bed, but you might find this useful. I'll pickup the article tomorrow. --Biker Biker (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Also this. --Biker Biker (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * And this --Biker Biker (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a lovely snippet. --Biker Biker (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ...and I'm up early thanks for these I think you've helped save the article! Thruxton (talk) 06:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I've restored your DYK nomination since the AfD nomination has been withdrawn. 28bytes (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wasp Motorcycles
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

TUSC token cf687f0e7ea2efc0ad03d32671ec0f80
I am now the owner of a TUSC account! Thruxton (talk) 08:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Motueka River
Hello! Your submission of Motueka River at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 20:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Motueka River
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Antonio Te Maioha
I would appreciate your comment about that nomination at T:TDYK. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I have replied at at T:TDYK that I am in favour of Alt 3 - 'publicly promotes is much better than 'interested'. Thank you for alerting me to this debate, as it was a lot of work to get the photo cleared by OTRS so I would like to see it reach a wider audience than just fans of the TV series Thruxton (talk) 14:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Antonio Te Maioha
Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frantisek Janecek
Hello! Your submission of Frantisek Janecek at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Interior (Talk) 10:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frantisek Janecek
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

ZAP ALIAS Updated information
Greetings,

I saw that you have been editing a considerable large amount of articles on Bikes, I would like to "beg for your help" in one of the articles where I am trying to update with the consistent data available within different references about the 3 wheeled ZAP Alias.(not sure if these is in anyway of your interest, but I have to give it a try).

I do believe that a fresh pair of eyes will always be an asset to an ongoing project, and since I am currently accused of COI, in this message is a copy of my last contribution made at (Revision as of 08:03, 13 December 2010), which was deleted at (Revision as of 08:08, 13 December 2010).

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZAP_Alias&diff=402109086&oldid=401619154

Any inputs and suggestions on the link I have copied will be of great help.

Regards from Beijing,

114.243.123.66 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.243.123.66 (talk) 09:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the history of ZAP Alias and ZAP (motor company) and you will see a series of edits by IP contributors, all of which have been badly referenced. Generally these are reprints of the company's own press releases and strive to show the company in a good light. My suspicion, given that the parent company is based in Beijing where these edits are coming from, is that all these edits are by the same person and that this person (who shows all the symptoms of being a single purpose account) is employed by the company - hence my COI observation. My recommendation to this person would be to a) come clean and b) register an account and c) you read both Citing sources and WP:RS so that you understand how to insert proper references rather than bare URLs and also learn what a reliable source looks like. However, I'm glad you have brought this to Thruxton because I have an immense amount of respect for his work in Wikipedia and he may offer a fresh and different perspective to this, which I would welcome. --Biker Biker (talk) 11:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Biker Biker, I'm glad to see a balanced interest on this issue from you. I'm new to Wikipedia(editing) that is why I am sure I'll make mistakes. If I do something wrong, please let me know and give me as much information as possible so that I can make sure that not to make the same mistake again.

Tried to compare ZAP Alias wikipedia article data and all the available updates from which I find in a daily bases, and do think that Biker Biker, a Senior Wikipedia User, have been a bit overzealous undoing my contribution registered at (08:03, 13 December 2010), which was undone by (08:08, 13 December 2010). It seems that about half the time, the article could/should be undone hands down (nonsense, advert, copyright violation, etc) but the other half I have a hard time to agree with your repeated contributions to the ZAP Alias article (saw your historial on it). Of those editions, many just need a rewrite (of a very small article) or someone to actually take the time and check for references on the notability of a subject.

Expecting that two, three or more set of eyes and fresh brains will allow this situation to reach a milder stage in which we all can find feasible and very much justified dichotomies to put into debate. In my opinion my last edition shouldn't be one of them.

My suggestion to Biker Biker is to PLEASE review the update I did and PLEASE do compare to what you decided to add on your subsequent 4 contribution.

Thank you all for your time, effort and Thruxton's "TALK SPACE", your fresh perspective will be incredibly more than welcome.

I do not own a bike but I do sense that there is something within this article that does not make any justice to the vehicle information currently available.

Regards from Beijing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.243.123.66 (talk) 12:50, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

To: THRUXTON Hello, Thank you very much for your intervention, not sure how far it went but I do can confirm that it was effective. I have just left an invite at my new friend and mentor Biker Biker on the next article I will also be trying to update, hope you do find time sometime to join in.

Respectfull regards from Beijing. ''Greetings Biker Biker,

I humbly want to ask for your expertise on this article currently published at the Automotive X Prize link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_X_Prize

Hope you do can find some time to help building consistent and relevant information.

Kind regards from Beijing.''

DYK for Royal Enfield Fury
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the new DYK! Just saw it on the main page. Brianhe (talk) 04:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I set myself a challenge of getting 100 DYK's by the end of 2010 to promote British bikes. I got a bit sidetracked but done it at last! Thruxton (talk) 12:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I have a question for you
I need a chart listing the hits on every outline listed on Portal:Contents/Outlines, and the total views for all the outlines.

What's the fastest way to build such a chart?

How many people use these pages?!!!!

The Transhumanist 02:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

This is urgent. I can't think of words to express just how urgent this is. The Transhumanist 01:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

František Janeček
Your original article was redirected from its listing without diacritical marks to the Czech version. Either version will pull up the article. You get two bites at the apple (lol).

My experience has been that English language publishers cannot deal with diacritical marks, so they Anglicize names. In such cases, I insert the diacritics as soon as I can find them elsewhere in WP.

Georgejdorner (talk) 17:35, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks - please can you help get a CC picture of him from one of the Czech sites? (There are some good ones around but I can't speak Czech) Thruxton (talk) 21:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
The Transhumanist 04:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You are invited...
...to join the WikiProject Outline of Knowledge.

I hope to see you there. The Transhumanist 04:24, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the barnstar. That meant a lot to me. It feels good to be appreciated. The Transhumanist 19:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the outlines wikiproject!
Thruxton, thank you for joining up. I look forward to working with you.

There are two main thrusts right now. Refining existing outlines and building new ones. The area currently under construction is culture, with development presently focused on sports. Here's what we have in this vein so far:


 * Outline of culture
 * Outline of sports
 * Outline of basketball
 * Outline of canoeing and kayaking
 * Outline of cricket
 * Outline of motorcycles and motorcycling
 * Outline of running
 * Outline of tennis

The current strategy is to complete these to as high of quality as we can, and then present them as examples to the WikiProjects of the sports that are missing, starting with the most major sports among those.

The above outlines go a step further than most of our outlines, by including descriptive annotations which assist in topic identification and selection. These assist in rapidly familiarizing the reader with the subject, and in choosing where to browse the subject further.

For these outlines to reach the high level of quality that we are shooting for, it is crucial that the missing topics, links, and annotations be added in. The finishing touch is then pictures.

Then we can move forward with an effective recruiting drive for the building of outlines of the remaining sports, starting with the most major:


 * Outline of American football
 * Outline of association football (soccer)
 * Outline of baseball
 * Outline of golf
 * Outline of ice hockey
 * Outline of rugby

And perhaps expand the Outline of bicycles to the Outline of bicycles and cycling.

Keep in mind that discussions concerning the nature and future direction of the project occur occasionally, and to help the team keep up with these please report them and post links to them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outline of knowledge as you find them. Visit that page often to check out what's going on.

This is a large project with a huge scope, so there's lots to be done and lots going on behind the scenes. I've run out of time now, but will bring you up to speed as I find more time. In the meantime, I hope the above material is enough to keep you occupied. :)

I look forward to working with you!

If you have any questions, any questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask. I will help in any way that I can. The Transhumanist 19:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC)