User talk:Thryduulf/archive11

Well-wishing
Hey Thryduulf, haven't seen you around in a little while. Hope things are going well for you in meatspace. I can't speak for everyone, but you are missed when you're away. Your efforts and insights are always appreciated. BigNate37(T) 22:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Foreign language redirects
Your name just keeps coming up! The Д. Ловато RfD got me thinking about why this isn't a CSD criterion if consensus is so clearly against these redirects. Well I found a February 2011 CSD discussion on Deletion of foreign redirects and your thoughts on the matter effectively ended the discussion. I wanted to ask you in particular about one thing you said: "…a significant number of people object to their deletion…" Do you think there's still a consensus to keep this sort of redirect? I mean I certainly understand your rational argument for not deleting them, but the impression that the Ловато RfD gave me makes me wonder whether the community at large feels differently. BigNate37(T) 19:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is still a consensus to keep many redirects that are harmless, but redirects from languages not associated with the article subject are not part of that consensus. However, I don't think that these would make a good speedy deletion criterion because of the difficulty of determining precisely what "not associated" means. Consensus is clear that where there is a connection, the redirect should be kept (e.g. &rarr; Nagano, Nagano).
 * The Д. Ловато case seems clear cut but it is not always so, nor is it always obvious immediately whether there is a connection or not. For example, does a first generation Serbian American have a connection with the Serbian language? Should Nambawan bigfala emi blong Misis Kwin redirect to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh? (it's his name in Bislama, an official language of Vanuatu and thus the Yaohnanen tribe, who worship him as a divine being (see Prince Philip Movement - none of this is in his main article, so would not be apparent to someone doing a quick check for the validity of a speedy nomination). For that matter, should there be a redirect from the name of Elizabeth II in the official languages of all the countries she is head of state of?
 * To put it slightly differently, there is a consensus that redirects from unconnected foreign languages should be deleted, but there is no clear consensus about what constitutes "unconnected". Also, even when there is unambiguously no connection, I don't really see that foreign language redirects need to be speedily deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 22:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are good points. It wasn't obvious to me how broad the spectrum of connections is between article subjects and any given language—I thought it was much more black-and-white. It seems to me that's the biggest reason that there's no definitive codification of consensus on the matter. Of course you're right about the lack of justification for a speedy criterion, as well. I think that's principally a matter of the infrequency of foreign-language redirects and the relatively low time cost of considering them, though. BigNate37(T) 22:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The Amazing Race Asia 5
Could you at least delete the hoax material from the page history?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 10:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If the hoax material had been added as a section in an existing article, it would just be reverted or removed without deleting old revisions, and if the page had started as an article which was boldy redirected (see also WP:ATD-R) without objection the page history would not be deleted as a matter of course. Accordingly I don't see the benefit in doing otherwise in this case. If you want the history deleted, even if the redirect is kept, then make the case for doing this in the RfD and it will be done if the closing administrator (who wont be me) judges there to be consensus for the action. I can't recall the specific case off the top of my head, but there is precedent for keeping a redirect but deleting the history behind it (I have a vague recollection the BLP or legal issues might have been involved). Thryduulf (talk) 10:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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RfD
Your categorisation of what is, or isn't, a rationale for deletion relies too heavily on policy, I think. (especially because any rationale for deletion can be supported by policy). Indeed, even the guideline is wishy-washy (you might want to delete if ...) - not at the "compelling reasons to delete are, and here's why". The last bit is key - the guideline doesn't provide a reason why you'd want to delete in those cases, so it's up to the nominator to. If they fail to, there's no rationale for deletion. Merely being listed as a reason you might want to doesn't provide a rationale for deletion (beyond "I want to!", perhaps). In comparison, WP:GNG says why we should delete articles that fail GNG (mostly, they're unverifiable, and there's no hope of making them remotely NPOV).

The - uhm - the very short of it is that presumably, you disagreeing with me in the discussions promotes fuller discussion and is thus probably an asset to RfD, and thus reasonably worth your time. If you think you're going to convince me that your overall position is right, and my overall position is wrong, and I just don't understand something - you're wasting your time. I understand the position you're taking, but I reject it as wrong. Saying "This redirect should be deleted because the term doesn't appear in the article" is no more a rationale for deletion than "This redirect should be deleted because cheese is delicious" is a rationale for deletion. Both are just non-sequitars. Either way is fine by me, depends on what your motivations are, I guess. Wily D 10:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll give some thought to phrasing in a way that more explicitly critical of the nomination statement, rather than nominator, anyhow. Wily D  13:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Cambridge fresher's fair
Hello Thryduulf,

I've bid a stall on behalf of the Cambridge University Wikipedia Society at the Cambridge University fresher's fair, 2-3 October. If you are around, it would be great if you can come and help by staffing the stall for a few hours!

The fair will run, roughly, from 9am to 7pm on the 2nd, and 9am to 4pm on the 3rd; details are yet to be confirmed. You certainly won't be expected to stay the whole day unless you really want to! It'll be a sign-up stall for the campus Wikipedia Society, and we'll give out Wikimedia freebies at the event to promote awareness for Wikipedia-editing and Wikimedia UK.

Please contact me if you're interested in helping, even if it's just a few hours. Thanks! (You're receiving this message because you've signed up for a recent Cambridge meetup - apologies if you aren't around anymore) Deryck C. 22:33, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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"Defer" looks too much like "delete"
In a deletion discussion you voted "defer". At first I thought you voted "delete", and if there had been more votes, instead of just yours, I likely would have keep thinking you voted "delete". In the future I recommend using another wording that doesn't look so much like "delete", e.g. "no action". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 19:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. I'll try and remember it for the future. Thryduulf (talk) 20:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to ask permission
You don't need to ask permission at RFD to ad R from typo an obvious typo redirect, you're free to add it yourself. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 11:41, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I just realized I posted on you're talk page three times. I'm not staking you, it's just a quiescence. I guess we've both been at RFD allot lately. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 11:58, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry! RfD is where I spend most of my wiki time, it's unusual when consecutive messages on here aren't related to RfD or RfC bot! Thryduulf (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

New gadget
Do you see my request?--Vivaelcelta {discusión &middot; &#32; contributions} 18:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

What you do think my gadget? Please give your opinion here.--Vivaelcelta {discusión &middot; &#32; contributions} 18:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move for Ireland

 * (Discuss) Should Republic of Ireland be moved to Ireland? Kauffner (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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October Metro
I'm sorry I missed September but I was rather busy. Enjoy. Simply south...... wearing fish for just 6 years 23:12, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Possible misunderstanding about disambiguation links
Hi. I was curious about the reverts you made to three articles recently: this edit to the City Liner article, this edit to the Cityliner article, and this edit to the City Line article. In each case, you quote "WP:INTDABLINK". The problem I see is that the guideline mentioned there about "creating links to disambiguation pages" applies to regular wikilinks within articles, and not in disambiguation pages as we are dealing with here. I can't see why intentionally add a piped link to a redirect makes any sense in the three cases here. If you look at the "User Guidelines" section at WP:DABLINKS, however, it does explicitly say that piping should not be used to change the title of disambiguation entry links. Isn't this what you did in your recent edits? I'm not an expert on the intricacies of disambiguation pages, so hopefully you can correct me if I am reading things wrong, but as I understand the guidelines, the linking method currently used is incorrect and unnecessary. I hope you can clear any confusion on my part. Thanks. --DAJF (talk) 10:36, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * My understanding (and I don't profess to be an expert) is that the point of intentional dab links is to separate out those links that need disambiguating from those that don't.
 * For example, looking at which articles link to the Mercury disambiguation page there are presently about 23 entries (excluding redirect pages), but 5 of them link via Mercury (disambiguation) showing that only 18 need disambiguation. There is no facility in whatlinkshere to determine whether the link comes from a hatnote or body text, nor for determining how many times a page links to the given target. It's not uncommon for a page to have a link to a dab page from a hatnote and also to entries on that dab page in the body, obviously the hatnote should point to the dab page but the body shouldn't. Direct links and links via redirect pages do show up separately on whatlinks here (e.g. see Talk:City Line at Special:Whatlinkshere/City Line.


 * Regarding piping of links on dab pages. The point of that is so as not to obscure the title of the destination page, see for a good reason to avoid that. What I did was display the title of the page they'd end up on, rather than the title of the redirect. This is subtly different, but thinking about it now I can see both good and bad points to doing it! If you have a strong opinion and/or want to discuss it further, it'll probably be better to do so somewhere more central than my talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation perhaps?) to get more input. Leave me a link here if you do start such a discussion.


 * I hope that clears things up, but do say if it doesn't. Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, that does sort of make sense now. Thanks for taking the time to explain the reasoning. --DAJF (talk) 23:59, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

RfD req.
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Help with Demon Stone redirects
Hi there. You commented on my List of Demon Stone characters RfD yesterday. I understand that deleting the history of that article is incorrect, but my concern is that there is a cluster of useless and redundant redirects now: There was a lot of confusing moving and redirecting done about six years ago with the titles, with the bottom two articles ending up pointing at the top one. Nothing is linked to any of the articles now. Are the last two good candidates for deletion? Or what about moving the article with the history to one of the other two titles as a more likely search term and then deleting the top article? Three orphan redirects seems excessive to me, and I'm trying to get an idea of what the limit is on search term style redirects. The original game's article title is Forgotten Realms: Demon Stone for reference. Thanks. —Torchiest talkedits 17:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * (links to redirect)
 * (links to redirect)
 * (links to redirect)
 * There is no limit on the number of redirects to an article - anything that is a likely search term makes a good redirect, and my initial impression is that all of those are going to be searched for, and being an orphan is irrelevant to this. Whatlinkshere can only show links from within the English Wikipedia, any title that exists also has the potential to be linked to from elsewhere on the internet, stored in bookmarks, cited in books, etc. We have no way of knowing what and where these links are, only estimate the likelihood of their existence based on the length of time it has existed, particularly the length of time that the article was at that title, traffic volumes and the usefulness of the title as a search term. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for the information! —Torchiest talkedits 18:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Interaction bans
Hi. Um, Malleus and I have had no interaction aside one brief one 3-4 months ago. If he needs so many interaction bans with so many others, perhaps the best thing to do is ban him outright? The arbitration committee is trying to reign in the excesses Malleus has presented the community...if the community fails to handle it themselves as they have. Your suggestions took a lot of time to write up, but it seems like an awful lot of compromise and accomodations for one editor.--MONGO 20:07, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is not so much MF, but the heat that surrounds everything he does - the comments both of you made on that page regarding the other did nothing but generate more heat. If you don't interact with him then you will not be inconvenienced by any interaction ban. Thryduulf (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Problem is, you might as well extend interaction bans between him and at least a dozen more editors....maybe 2 dozen. Why does the website have to make such an adjustment? In a perfect world, Malleus would comply with our policies and stop insulting other editors...I would much prefer to have a good partnership with him, and even some occasionally strong but polite disagreements with him...but myself and a long list of others (many of which simply cannot stand to chime in now as they have given up hope, or are disgusted by the drama) have found him uncompromising and unwilling to adhere to our policies.--MONGO 21:22, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The idea behind giving him mentors (I debated using the term "moderators" but chose mentors to fit in with previous arbcom resolutions) is that it allows his language to be tempered by others if he doesn't do it himself. It's not intended as a long-term solution, but as a way to reduce all the heat so that we can find the long-term way forward without drama. We should make the effort because outside of the civility drama he is a bloody good contributor. The problem is that he uses robust language, and doesn't respond well to the way he is being used by some as the poster child for all that is evil in the eyes of those who want a new civility policy (rightly or wrongly, but it has become an obsession with some), which spills over into his interactions with other editors who criticise him, his words or his actions, causing more heat and fanning the flames. The mentors would act as a buffer between him and critics, and between him and those trying to use him for their own ends (hence allowing the mentors to put interaction bans on those who bait him). A big reason for making interaction bans mutual is that I believe that one-sided bans rarely work (they unfortunately seem to encourage baiting and sniping in many cases) - this is not restricted to just MF's case but more widely as well. Thryduulf (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have said elsewhere that I have previously gone out of my way to avoid Malleus...the word of note there is avoid. I have avoided him to help the website maintain a harmonious editing environment. But when I see him cussing, name calling, insulting, barking threats and using intimidation tactics like some school bully, I get disgusted. I'm middle aged and have been on the website as MONGO since 2005...I shouldn't have to tip-toe around him on pages I have had watchlisted for eons. This is my website too and I'm not the one calling other editors twats, cunts, assholes and making threats...he is. I deeply respect your contributions and your ability to AGF regarding Malleus...but I simply cannot do so...I wish I could, but I cannot.--MONGO 22:26, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment
I think your detailed and well thought-through proposal is very sensible. I would support it there, but that forum is meant to be "not a discussion". Thank you for trying to find a middle way. If only this, or something similar, had been suggested by someone 24 hours ago - it is unfortunate that some ArbCom members seem to have rather shot themselves in the foot over this (and with a boomerang, apparently... quite a neat trick.) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

huh?
On one hand, I don't care about an interaction restriction, because (afaik) I've not intereacted with mf prior to him attacking me at the arb page.

On the other hand, I did nothing wrong there, and stayed WP:CIVIL.

(And to be honest, what I initially said, was little different than what many of MF's supporters said.)

So I'm curious why you suggest I should be sanctioned? - jc37 16:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The impression I got from the interaction between you and MF on that page, and others comments on that interaction, was that it was not producing anything other than heat. The idea is to remove all sources of heat from the issue with significant restrictions that would be harsh, see also my comments to Mongo above. Thryduulf (talk) 18:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * By your suggestion, all an editor needs do to get someone an interaction restriction is to attack them? Sounds like penalising the victim.
 * But I respect your intent - "let's see what we can do to reduce this rise of emotions".
 * Anyway, it looks like the arbs have been busy today, and we may see a different result than what was looking inevitable yesterday. - jc37 18:41, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Kaliningrad Oblast
Kaliningrad Oblast was played in the main section of the expansive grid. Are we allowed to repeat words from the main in the branches? I was going to remove it but thought I'd check first. Hiding T 15:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it isn't defined in the rules of the game. The smaller grids are consistently described as branches however, and Wikipedia talk:Department of Fun/Word Association says that branches are independent as far as repeating words are concerned, at least for the main game, so I think that my unintentional repetition is allowable here. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No probs! Hiding T 17:08, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Matt Hunter
You didn't create this article (can't tell who did because the history is messed up) but you were one of the early contributors.



The article Matt Hunter has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * fails notability. Article has not had any significant edits since it was created more than one year ago, and has been tagged for notability for most of that time. Only claims to notability are a video contest win almost a decade ago and two web=posted videos.

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A barnstar for you!
In the face of the irrational panic, something important seems to have been overlooked by most of them in that having an open category system is potentially far more damaging than a single list which is under scrutiny on watchlists, even protected. Anybody can slop the category on any biography they don't like, and many of course are off the wiki radar and might go undetected for a long time. Far worse is the unsourced material about pedophiles in numerous articles. In fact I'd go as far to say that it would actually be less damaging to have a single sourced list and greatly minimizes the possibly of long standing real damaging vandalism. The list existed for nearly a month without a single act of vandalism. I think the categories should be deleted and all entries placed on a sourced list. That this could have been overlooked by the endorsers reveals flaws in logic.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  19:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Information
I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My 76 Strat (talk) 11:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Mid Dec Metro
Sorry this edition is so late. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 11:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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"in"
Since this closed keep (which makes no sense to me), I feel that I must ask: How does:
 * Non-free fair use in help anyone, since
 * Non-free fair use is the base template?

Of what possible use is the word "in"? "In" what? "In" where? "In" whom? Nothing, nowhere, and nobody, in order. The word "in" refers to nothing, and means nothing; therefore it has no place in the redirect. Winding up a bit, why is this "in" business being perpetuated? Why was it ever added? Please, no snark. I want a serious explanation, or I want it gone.--Lexein (talk) 13:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I don't understand why you've asked me to explain the closure rather than the person who closed it, but to attempt to answer your questions, I didn't create it so I can't say for certain why it was added. However, the word "in" does make sense when you read the title as "non-free, fair use in [article]". Given that a key part of the NFCC is that fair use material must be associated with, and have a rationale for, a specific article, it is not possible for media to be generically fair use, I presume the template was named to stress this. The template is used on many pages, and people are familiar with it so keeping it benefits the encyclopaedia by enabling them to correctly tag their uploads easily - a Very Good Thing. Finally, you don't get to demand things are deleted - the consensus was that keeping the redirect is better for the encyclopaedia than deleting it, and so it will remain until consensus changes. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Selby Wall redirect
Thanks for your re-explanation of why it was pointing where it was and why it should point to where it's now pointing. Please accept the following:


 * Thank you! Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review discussion
I've responded to your comment about the Robotic Richard Simmons. I'm concerned that you've substantially misrepresented what the nominator wrote, and I'd appreciate it if you would take a second look. Best, Mackensen (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
I would like to extend a thank you, as well as a Happy New year, for sorting everything out for WP:TUF. I like how it turned out that the person nominating it ,for whatever their reason was, turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to the essay. Cheers. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 07:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Jan Metro
Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 20:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

File:Brandi Chastain 1999.jpg
When you said at the FfD for this file that "reproductions of the cover (including the headline, etc) are being offered for sale" (I assume Sports Illustrated), did you just mean it was for sale directly by SI (a la here) or by third-parties? VernoWhitney (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The Sports Illustrated site is the one I found when searching for which image was used on the cover. I have no idea whether it is also offered for sale by others or not - I didn't know it made difference (does it?). Thryduulf (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't actually know that it matters if others are offering it for sale or not -- I think I was mostly just trying to find out if I had missed something regarding that particular image. Since it's being offered for sale by the copyright holder at all then using it would require sourced critical commentary about the image/cover itself, which may be possible but it's a higher hurdle than if it wasn't for sale. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly there would need to be commentary about the cover, but not necessarily for the image that forms part of it. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Very nice
Thanks for saying in no uncertain terms that you think I am "nobody" around here. It's one thing to disagree with the point someone makes. It's entirely another to personalise things like that. Guettarda (talk) 00:03, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry if I've offended you, but please could you link to where I made the comment so that I may review the wording I used. Thryduulf (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I've now worked out that it is at Articles for deletion/Mont. (I will reply there), but for future reference some context is always helpful when leaving these sorts of messages. Thryduulf (talk) 00:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Simple English proposal at the Pump
Hello,

As one of the participants in the original Village Pump RFC about getting the Simple Wiki to the top of the Languages, you are invited to participate in the reopened discussion of the same. Your feedback will be appreciated.

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about the confusion with the misplaced RfD nomination. That was a Twinkle glitch of some sort, but I must confess I have absolutely no idea how it happened. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there. When you made this comment at ANI, I was unable to comment because of a pending libel matter exacerbated by Flyer22 which has since been oversighted. Would you be willing to take another look now that I am able to comment? These editors have abused AN/I process before in attempts to censor the medical and legal consensus at hebephilia and similar controversial topics. They know that getting in at AN/I before their victims can defend themselves means a lot of editors will make a decision before all the information is presented. A number of people have revised their opinions once they had more information. Thanks! Jokestress (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * And I've commented that you had plenty of time to respond there at WP:ANI; I even told you while I was reverting you that I would be reporting you at WP:ANI if you reverted again. You decided to lay low while the WP:ANI matter was going on. It is not like I knew that you would take so long to reply. And I have not, nor have the editors associated with me that you hate, "abused AN/I process before in attempts to censor the medical and legal consensus at hebephilia and similar controversial topics." You also should not make it seem as though several or even a few editors have changed their positions regarding this matter once you responded/explained your version of events; that is not the case, at least not at WP:ANI. And I appreciate Thryduulf standing by his. Flyer22 (talk) 21:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

If you two wish to continue this discussion, please use a venue other than my talk page. Further messages not directed at me may be reverted without further comment. Thryduulf (talk) 21:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Statement by Thryduulf
Hey Thryduulf. I noticed that your statement is 710 words long, but only a maximun of 500 words are permitted in a statement for a case request (including responses). Therefore, I'd like to request you to reduce your statement to meet the 500-word limit before an arbitrator or one of the clerks (including me) reduce it by ourselves (which might remove information you may consider important).

From the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ  21  23:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 November 25
Good job closing this off; I'm more than happy with your decision. We've a few handfuls of (IMHO) horribly over-redirected-to titles - I'll figure out a better way to present them to XfD before presenting them. - TB (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Reference Desk
Hi,

Regarding this redirect: This was quite a while ago now, but originally I created the Wikipedia Reference Desk article, asserting its notability based on a scholarly article about it. This caused an immediate nomination for deletion, prompting a flurry of discussion on the AFD page from the WP:RD regulars. The consensus seemed to be to redirect to the Wikipedia article, but since WP:RD is on en, I personally thought that the proper redirect was to a section about the Reference Desk that should be in the English Wikipedia article.

Now that a year or so has gone by, I'd say the redirect you have implemented (to WP:RD) seems OK to me, until the Reference Desk qualifies for notability and gets an article written about it. Comet Tuttle (talk) 07:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 22:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

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2 easy RfD closures
Any interest? ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 00:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Danke. ~ Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 01:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Simply south...... eating shoes for just 7 years 20:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

File:Class390-loweredpanto.jpg
I should have thought to ask here first rather than going to WT:UKRAIL, but... where is this? -mattbuck (Talk) 12:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Liverpool Lime Street, based on a photo I took 2 minutes later definitely being there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:12, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Redirects for Deletion query
Hiya, would just like to request further discussion regarding WP:RFD for Mojo. I'm still learning :D All the best Charon123able (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Review your close for Articles for deletion/Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel
Choosing "where" to merge the information really doesn't matter considering literally all of this information is already in the four other articles specified. The page is just a copy of all that information. If you feel the consensus was that the article should merged into another one, then just deleting it would carry out the consensus considering there's no extra information to add to any of the other articles. Feed  back   ☎ 20:14, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No it wouldn't as some of the merge opinions said that the information should be merged from those other articles to the one that was nominated for deletion so deletion would be prejudicing that, particularly as there was not a consensus for deletion. It is also not clear whether information in those other articles had come from the nominated one, if it has then deletion would violate the attribution requirement of the license. Thryduulf (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry for the lack of attribution
Sorry for the lack of attribution --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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Shiny!
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Request
I need Transcendence (film) redirect to be deleted. It already exists and since there's no other film with this title, there doesn't need to be this overthrowing redirect.Rusted AutoParts 03:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Deleted page listed at Redirects for discussion?
I had a history in this? Could you be more clear? Hasteur (talk) 16:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You either edited Template:Deleted page at some point or commented in the RfD about the original target Template:Deletedpage. It seems I didn't save the edit I made to the current discussion explaining the notifications. Sorry. Thryduulf (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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Template deletion
I assumed this was a routine maintenance thing, so I didn't give it any more thought than that. I think I'll steer clear of templates (:  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  07:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

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Your comment at Arbcom clarification
You wrote, "My understanding is that the straw poll was just to establish the current state of play - i.e. whether there was sufficient in principle support for allowing TimidGuy back with conditions...." Note that my ban was vacated by the Arbitration Committee. The discussion is related to the indefinite ban of Will Beback. Perhaps just a typo. TimidGuy (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thinko rather than typo, but my apologies nevertheless. Thryduulf (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Thinko," hadn't heard that before. : ) TimidGuy (talk) 15:25, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Move proposal close
Hi Thryduulf. While I totally agree with you that alt proposal 3 on the talk page at 2013 Cleveland, Ohio, missing trio should be snow-closed - in fact, I'm the one who requested it - you and anyone else who has participated in any of the current proposals, including myself, cannot and must not be the one to do it. Therefore, it's been reverted. The close needs to be done by someone uninvolved; an editor who has not !voted or materially participated in any of the proposals. But I wouldn't worry, alt proposal 3 is effectively dead and hopefully we'll get the article title issue resolved soon. Thanks for your good intentions. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 18:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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Albert.philander (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2013 (UTC) hii angelo i want to talk to you about the article wedlock(band) which u deleted

Two weeks
Even though I was unable to post for two week, please don't think I missed those posts where you blamed me for your failure to post an obvious story in a timely manner. Whether you're prepared to repeat them now remains to be seen. I continued to browse in that time, noticing the lack of consequences for HiLo despite him repeatedly misquoting you, or the lack of actoin against anyone who simply continued to do what others at ANI correctly recognised as basic trolling rather than informed opposition. I also noticed that the only people who complained about the story once it went up, were the same people who you claimed all had valid points to make in opposing it. Points that didn't refer to a single source, and in many cases, showed complete and utter ignorance of the entire sport/country they were commenting on. Given how close you characterised the debate as being, that's very odd, don't you think? Still, all my fault eh. Mind, not editting for two weeks at least meant I could fully take in the continued coverage the story got, which you may or may not have noticed, wasn't even overshadowed by David Beckham's own retirement news a week later. Gruesome Foursome (talk) 11:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the message was meant for ThaddeusB, who was the closer of the ITN section. I have absolutely no idea how it came to you, I thought I had clicked on his talk page from the archive ANI post which he started on me, but maybe I got distracted and then ended up on a page where you had posted and not looked closely enough at your user link before clicking it instead. So again, apologies for the undoubted confusion this caused (I even started to reply to you criticising you for not remembering wht happened until I caught on). Good luck with the internet access. Gruesome Foursome (talk) 12:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

ITN credit
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