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Topic ban ed17
It may not be as controversial, but the China floods went up fairly quickly, though the article was ok for a disaster at that point, the comments "503 words is enough to post this important news" suggest less interest in ITN posting norms than on expedient posting. --107.77.236.91 (talk) 13:27, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting that you chose to log out, IP. 503 words was after an expansion by Cyclonebiskit, so I believed it was long enough to be featured in the template. Anyway, I'm not here for this—Thryduulf, I'm headed offline for a multiple-hour drive to a celebration I've promised to attend, as I alluded to the AN discussion. Please forgive me for not responding to points raised in a timely manner. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 13:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * feel free to make comments (for, against or neutral) in the AN discussion. I'm not going to respond in detail here to avoid fragmenting the discussion (which would benefit nobody).
 * Nobody is required to be on Wikipedia every day, and I've got no reason not to assume good faith that you will respond when you can. Enjoy your celebration. 13:48, 16 July 2016 (UTC). subtract 160 and resign to fix the ping Thryduulf (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * , it needs to be a new post - modifying an existing post won't notify. So, my edit will notify where yours didn't. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

MP talk
Re your advice to "use WP:ERRORS for this sort of update as it will get updated quicker" – to be more candid, I've found that sometimes efforts to improve things there are dismissed, even ridiculed, as "not an error" and deleted. Today, for example, I noiticed that the composer Max Reger is was highlighted in both TFA and in the leading DYK item directly below it. But I didn't feel like going to WP:ERRORS with this observation due to past negative experiences there. Sca (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably wise as it's not an error. You'll see the same again soon when Pokemon Go features in ITN and DYK.  Again, there are no guidelines or policies that seem to be violated here, particularly as there is little collaboration between the various MP sections. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted. Sca (talk) 17:33, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

ITN/DC RFC
Thanks for sticking with this mess. Cheers. --107.77.233.165 (talk) 19:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If there is one thing that really annoys me it's things idling out and getting left unresolved rather than a decision being made one way or the other. It was probably the most frustrating thing from my time on arbcom! Thryduulf (talk) 20:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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Incomplete RFD closure
You closed Eπανάσταση (Mixed Latin/Greek letters) as move without redirect, but two of the mixed-script redirects still exist ( and ). Gorobay (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up - I did move them to all single script tiles but it seems that the option to not leave a redirect behind didn't work for those two cases (most likely as I forgot to uncheck the box). I've deleted them both now. Thryduulf (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * These redirects are proving peskier than I thought. I think four of them will need to be moved again (also without leaving redirects):
 * Κόμμα των Nεοφιλελευθέρων (N is Latin) -> Κόμμα των Νεοφιλελευθέρων
 * Νίκανδρος ο Kολοφώνιος (K is Latin, missing diacritic on o) -> Νίκανδρος ὁ Κολοφώνιος
 * Οἰδίπoυς τύραννoς (both o's are Latin) -> Οἰδίπους τύραννος
 * Кapaдарья (apa is Latin) -> Карадарья
 * I've used http://unicode.scarfboy.com/ to check that. Thanks! Uanfala (talk) 20:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I've done those. Hopefully that's it all sorted now! Thryduulf (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Default to keep
Thryduulf, thank you so much for dealing with the very bottom of the RfD backlog!

Concerning Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_July_6 though, I don't think anybody wanted to keep the redirects except for jeopardise and jeopardize, so "default to keep" probably isn't the appropriate outcome for the rest of them? Deryck C. 11:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, nobody did want those kept as is, but the opinions and arguments were split about equally between retargetting to the disambig, soft redirecting to Wiktionary and deleting them and none of those courses of action had more consensus than either of the others. Defaulting to keep pleases nobody, but I'm not sure what other options are available beyond supervoting or picking one at random? Thryduulf (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess I'd try to find the most plausible outcome - what you'd call "supervoting" I call "closer's discretion" . But I guess the "no consensus, do nothing for now" close doesn't preclude individual editors from changing them. Thanks for the explanation. Deryck C. 15:45, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel
I am not understanding this close merge (but keep for now) did you mean keep but open to merge later? In other words anyone can merge this? I am not seeing a consensus for merge, I see no consensus any merge should require further discussion. Valoem  talk  contrib  16:56, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a very clear consensus to merge the two articles (regardless of the bolded word, most people supported merging now or later), at least until it needs to be split out for WP:SIZE reasons. Currently it is borderline whether merging would cause WP:SIZE issues and it is likely that recent developments will lead to more information being added to Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel, meaning it would be merged then split again very soon after (wasting everybody's time). If in a couple of weeks there have been no significant changes to either article then it can be merged based on the consensus in the AfD, however if there has been significant expansion or the amount of duplicated material reduces then a new consensus to merge will need to happen.
 * To put it another way, there is consensus that Lahouaiej-Bouhlel is not notable independent of the attacks in Nice, but whether there is enough written about him in that context to justify a spinout article for length reasons is borderline. Thryduulf (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I still see no consensus as a better close, those have also highlighted WP:PERP as a reason for inclusion per, "the victim of the crime is a renowned national or international figure, including, but not limited to, politicians or celebrities" and CRM#2 "the motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy—such that it is a well-documented historic event. Generally, historic significance is indicated by sustained coverage of the event in reliable secondary sources which persists beyond contemporaneous news coverage and devotes significant attention to the individual's role", also other editors pointed out WP:SPINOUT citing extended coverage. The strongest argument against is WP:TOOSOON since AfD is not a vote but based on guideline based rationale. I am not seeing consensus on this one. Since it hasn't been merged DRV seems unusual I would recommend changing to no consensus or keep (but possible merge later). The general issue is that I do not know what is going to happen with the reasoning you left. If someone bold merges can an editor bold unmerge? I just think its is going to complicate things going forward. Valoem  talk  contrib  18:08, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There was definitely a consensus to merge based on the number and strength of all the arguments made. Yes it could be boldly merged based on the result of the AfD and it could just as validly then be boldly unmerged because of WP:SIZE. I don't understand why this is either unclear or a problem. Thryduulf (talk) 18:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Closes are suppose to prevent edit wars and bring closure to a discussion, there is a huge gray area with these people as to whether or not they should be covered separately, on one hand they pass WP:GNG in terms of sources, on the other hand some do not want Wikipedia to give undue weight to a criminal. This close could lead to edit warring I think further discussion should be required for a merge hence no consensus. Valoem  talk  contrib  19:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There was a clear consensus that the subject was not notable enough for a standalone article for any reason other than article size. Article size is not static and so needs to be judged based on the amount of information in both articles at the given time. If there was less it would be a clear merge, if there was more it would be a clear keep split but only on size reasons - at the moment it's very borderline, but there is never any justification for edit warring. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Terrorist from Nice
Even though in my opinion the article should be redirected, I need to say that you did a very good job closing this AfD, you carefully studied all the comments and analyzed those policy related... Unlike Breivik, the terrorist is dead, so it's much less likely that we'll have more coverage on him, as you pointed out only about his possible association with terrorist groups, but as far as I know the police has confirmed that he acted alone. So, should I re-propose the article if the status quo remain unchanged in two months or so? Regards, Alex Vs6507 20:00, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If in a couple of months you still think it should be merged then start a requested merge discussion not an AfD. There is unlikely I think to be consensus just to redirect without merging. Thryduulf (talk) 20:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Where do I start a merge discussion? Didn't know of that... Vs6507 23:03, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * See Requested moves (WP:RM) which should tell you everything you need to know. Thryduulf (talk) 23:18, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Merges are WP:NOTRM; that suggests Proposed mergers (WP:PM), but I think that Merging (WP:MERGE) is better. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Redrose64, of course merges and moves are not the same thing! Thryduulf (talk) 09:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Brotha (Angie Stone song)
Hello Thryduulf,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Brotha (Angie Stone song) for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. ubiquity (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I fixed that for you, as it was clear to anyone who could be bothered to look at the history before tagging what Thyduulf was trying to do. Jeni  ( talk ) 16:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Jeni. Ubiquity it is important to look at the page history and use common sense before nominating pages for deletion (speedy or otherwise). Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC) fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * won't have notified . I really must . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:00, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

I also saw what you were trying to do Thyduulf. But, with you having accomplished that, I thought the redirect seemed very unlikely -- why would someone type in "Brotha (Angie Stone song)" looking for "Brotha"? -- so instead of fixing the redirect, I asked for it to be deleted. I actually considered changing the article to a redirect, and then asking for deletion of the redirect as implausible, but that seemed silly. Now I see maybe I should have. While I'm glad that Jeni also had the common sense to see what you were trying to do, I regret that he was not able to so divine what I was trying to do, and felt the need to call me out about it. ubiquity (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The redirect exists because I moved the page from that title (see the history) as I feel that that is the primary topic for "Brotha". The article was created at that title (which is standard naming scheme when there are multiple songs with the same name) almost certainly because Brotha was in use as a redirect to Sibling - really not useful. Redirects from moves are normally kept for several reasons including preserving edit history and maintaining incoming links, bookmarks, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 00:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I have now tagged the above redirect with R from unnecessary disambiguation and created another such redirect from Brotha (song), which was linked from User:Tassedethe/dabs/songs. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

$27 RfD closing, likely typo
Hi. I amended your closing of the RfD about $27, changing 27$ to $27, as it looks like a obvious typo (and slightly confusing that the closing reads that a red link was kept :-) Please check the diff. I hope it is better now. - Nabla (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That's almost certainly a case of thinking "27 dollars" and typing what I'm thinking literally rather than correctly! Thryduulf (talk) 00:13, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

ITN
Had to undo your edit as you broke the template, but I'm on mobile so can't fix it. You removed one too many commenting marks. Stephen 10:09, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Whoops, thank you for catching that and the clear note about what mistake I'd made. I've now fixed it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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Unclearness of your statement (Afd close)
Sir/madam Thryduulf, On 24July2016,12:06 you closed the deletion debate concerning article ‘Reactions to the 2016 Nice attack’ with a “result” that I don’t quite understand (and I noticed your advice to someone on 27July that he might specify such problems on your personal Talk page or (your advice on 28July) turn to ‘Wiki:Deletion review’). That ‘result’ you stated consists of an enumeration of three actions:
 * 1) Merge back the subarticle to the main article '2016 Nice attack';
 * 2) Include a small sample (of international comments) in the main article;
 * 3) Add all international comments to Wikiquote.
 * Is that enumeration of three actions to be read as a ‘and-and’ enumeration—meaning you want all those three actions to be taken—or to be read as ‘or-or’—meaning you want one of those actions to be taken?
 * If it is ‘or-or’: who is (allowed) to make the choice between the three?
 * If it is ‘and-and’: wouldn’t action (1) and (2) be incompatible?
 * If anyone’s choice would fall on action (2) (the sample into the main article): which small sample is it that you want to be placed in the main article? Why do you want a small sample placed in the main article?
 * I see in that Afd debate 21 people (20 of them with serious motivation, mostly in their own words) voting/arguing for keeping the complete subarticle ‘Reactions to the 2016 Nice attack’ as it was, while in total 40 people seriously voted and/or argued in the discussion: 12 for ‘delete’; 6 for ‘trim and merge’ (N.B.: it’s unclear which problem five of them try to solve with trim+merge, as they don’t mention any concrete problem. The sixth voter for ‘trim+merge’ gives a clear argument but that seems more to plead for ‘delete’) ; 2 for ‘keep or merge’ — making those 20 (plus 2 keep/merge?) the majority. Why don’t you acknowledge that in your conclusion? Could you reconsider your closing conclusion, taking into account the expressed and argued wish of the majority of those that have discussed that Afd nomination? --Corriebertus (talk) 21:05, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There are two separate issues here. The first is what do I mean by my closing statement, and the second is whether my conclusion was correct.
 * For the first issue, the first two of your bullets are the same action - there was consensus in the discussion to merge a small sample of the international comments into the main article. Which ones to keep is something that needs to be discussed by the editors of the article, I don't have an opinion and even if I did it would not be appropriate for me to express it while speaking in an administrative capacity. If there was a consensus in the AfD discussion about which ones to merge I could report that, but there was very little discussion about specific quotes so there was no consensus for or against the inclusion or exclusion of any individual reaction. The third of your bullets is a recommended action, again based on the consensus of comments in the AfD. I believe the quotes have all been copied/moved, but I haven't checked in detail.
 * Regarding the second issue, I am getting the impression that you are misunderstanding what AfD is - AFD is not a vote. The outcome of a discussion is not determined by the number of bolded recommendation any option gets but by assessing the relative weight of the arguments presented by those who have commented. I explained my reasoning in detail in my closing statement but you have not mentioned that at all. You are free to take the close to DRV if you still think I've made a mistake. Thryduulf (talk) 22:39, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * @ Thryduulf: Merging is not sampling. Merging in Wiki (action 1) means: restructuring two existing articles into one remaining article. Sampling (action 2) would be in your conclusion(24Jul2016,12:06): taking elements from article ‘Reactions to the 2016 Nice attack’ and place them in article ‘2016 Nice attack’ (while leaving the two separate articles in existence). Clearly these actions (1) and (2) are not identical. But if one first merges the two articles (= action 1), there will exist no old article ‘Reactions’ any longer from which one can take samples to put anywhere else. And if one first takes samples from article ‘Reactions’ into article ‘Nice attack’ (= action 2) and afterward merges the two articles into one article (= action 1), one might as well have skipped that sampling action (action 2). So, what was it that you concluded to on 24July: action (1) as I described it here above on 3 September, or action (2), or both? --Corriebertus (talk) 15:44, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The consensus in the discussion was as I clearly stated: Merge, including in the merged article a selection of the reactions. The details are to be worked out by the editors of the articles and if you are disagreeing with how this is done then you need to do this on the talk page of the destination article. As AfD closed I have no say in what gets merged, my job was simply to read all the comments in the article and determine the consensus of those comments. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

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Ordinary people from ordinary state comprehensives (like the one that I went to) can rise (almost) to the top. See Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, particularly ref. 4. What the article doesn't say is that Zoë is married to Dennis Skinner, son of Dennis Skinner; and she is the elder daughter of Angela Billingham. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Wrong deletion of art. ‘International comments on the 2016 Nice attack’
On 8Sep2016,14:45, you have deleted article ‘International comments on the 2016 Nice attack’ which had been created that day as subarticle to 2016 Nice attack. At 14:48 you also removed the link in ‘2016 Nice attack’ to that deleted article. In both edits your edit summary was almost identical, saying: ‘International comments on the 2016 Nice attack’ was a “recreation of a page/article that was deleted per/after deletion discussion Articles for deletion/Reactions to the 2016 Nice attack”.

That is not true. No page has been deleted per/after (as consequence of) that AfD discussion. I therefore suggest, you now revert those two of your edits of 14:45 and 14:48 on 8Sep, giving back to Wikipedia the information in that deleted article that many Wikipedians have worked on and apparently consider Wiki-worthy.

AfD discussion Articles for deletion/Reactions to the 2016 Nice attack did not result in a consensus for deletion, and no administrator at the moment of closing the AfD has decided/stated that it did. Consequently that AfD did also not lead to any article’s deletion. The admin on 24Jul2016,12:06 conluded/decided to a consensus for a merge. Consequently, article ‘Reactions…’ has been merged with article ‘Nice attack’ on 8Sep,11:51. Then, as quite usual and good Wiki practice, the old page of ‘Reactions…’ was turned into a REDIRECT to ‘Nice attack’. The resulting merged page ‘Nice attack’ was then 130,000 bytes long and was split up using a subarticle, which is quite usual and good Wiki practice. That subarticle was International comments on the 2016 Nice attack (which you with aforementioned untrue motivation have deleted on 8Sept2016 at 14:45). --Corriebertus (talk) 12:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I was the administrator who closed the AfD discussion, so I am well aware of the situation. The new article created was nothing more than a collection of quotes, with less context than the article taken to AFD. The consensus in the AfD discussion was abundantly clear that a collection of quotes was not suitable as an article and that any sub-article from the main one about international reactions must be prose-based not quote-based. You may create International comments on the 2016 Nice attack as a redirect to the main article if you wish. If you want to further contest the deletion of the article that was there, you can do so at Deletion review as I believe my actions were correct. Thryduulf (talk) 13:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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 * Just curious, and I'm not saying he should be unbanned, but lets say that he does stay away for 1 year. Where is he supposed to appeal his ban?  As far as I can tell regarding his most recent "violation", he doesn't seem to have any venue to request an unban without violating his ban.  That seems like a catch-22.  -- Jayron 32 17:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Just like anyone else whose talk page access is disabled, they can appeal using UTRS. Thryduulf (talk) 18:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Is UTRS still active? If so, then mea culpa, and sure, he can send a request through there.  Whether or not its true, he has said that his requests to UTRS have been ignored and he's received no response via that venue.  He could be lying, of course.  -- Jayron 32 18:16, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have UTRS access, so cannot confirm whether he has been ignored there or not. However, if a person has had a frivolous or clearly premature appeal to arbcom or functionaries rejected it is not unusual for further such appeals to be ignored - probable in the case of multiple premature appeals having been rejected. This is intended to discourage people becoming time sinks. I will post a note on CC's talk page making this point. Thryduulf (talk) 18:23, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

block subcommittee?
is there a record of this appeal? I went to BASC and it says it's inactive and there isn't much edit history. 96.232.177.125 (talk) 19:49, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Appeals to BASC were conducted entirely by email, as the users who were appealing were banned from editing. Without any detail about what you want to know about the appeal, and no background as to who you are and why you are asking, I'm unwilling to comment further at this time. Thryduulf (talk) 19:53, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for List of athletes at the 2016 Summer Olympics with a prior doping offence
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Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
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A new user right for New Page Patrollers
Hi.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

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Please comment on Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016
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Help with getting Draft:Thomas Hanna into the mainspace
I create a draft for an article for Thomas Hanna. Among other things he was a professor and director at an university. The article has references to an orbituary of him that appeared in a peer-reviewed journal that describes his life. It has also a reference to an article in an domain specific encyclopedia that describes his person. An editor claims I provide no sources to establish his notability, likely because Thomas Hanna held non-mainstream ideas.

Can you look into the issue and tell me what I need to do, to have the article moved to mainspace? ChristianKl (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Darkfrog24
I am concerned that Darkfrog24 seems to have emailed Asterixf2 (and, possible others in the same situation) apparently for no reason other than the fact that Asterixf2 was recently topic banned from witchcraft articles. I still have a lot of hope that Asterixf2 will get over his recent problems and return to productive editing, but he really needs to start editing productively in other areas, not get into off-wiki discussions about how unfair topic bans are with Darkfrog24. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure why you're telling me this? I regard Darkfrog24 as little more than a timesink and I've backed off from dealing with him as I don't think I can any longer be impartial, and I don't recall having any interaction with Asterixf2? Thryduulf (talk) 08:27, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah. My error. I thought you were actively involved with managing Darkfrog24-realed issues. Please disregard everything I wrote above, and feel free to collapse. archive, or delete this section. --Guy Macon (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Why is Welkom to my house an implausible redirect to the Flo Rida song
Hi. I have noticed you recently deleted Welkom to my house as an implausible redirect to the Flo Rida song My House. Even though the song mentions the word "Welcome" and not "Welkom" and has zero connection with the South African and Dutch/Afrikaans word for welcome, it is still a plausible redirect because if you go on Google search Canada the first thing that pops up when you search Welkom is not the major South African city but Welkom to my house referring to the Flo Rida song. Same thing on Google search U.S.A. Welkom to my house will most likely continue forever to be the first thing that pops when searching Welkom as the song is now over 3 years old. On Youtube Canada Welkom to my house comes in second when searching UK. On Google UK and South Africa the city is the first thing that pops up when searching Welkom, however Welkom to my house is still a thing pops up if you make a deeper search. I will recreate the redirect for now. If you still think that it is an implausible redirect you are more than welcome to nominate the redirect for deletion through a discussion of various Wikipedians and users that can vote in favour of keeping or deleting. But do not speedy dlete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Red Icarus of Jakarta (talk • contribs) 22:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas
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National Inventory of Architectural Heritage
Hi Thryduulf, I noticed this request from 8 May 2015. I missed that article as well and have now created some start-level text. Suggestions etc. are welcome. Regards and all the best for the new year, AFBorchert (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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Next...
What I had time to do is at User:Thryduulf/a_new_page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC).


 * Thank you, that's a useful start. Thryduulf (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Manning

 * FYI, Obama's comments on commutation led the PBS News Hour Jan. 18. Thanks. Sca (talk) 01:08, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I wish we had more closes like yours on ITN. A most excellent reading of consensus on the Chelsea Manning commutation (even though I voted "oppose").--WaltCip (talk) 13:03, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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A cookie for you!
Seconding this, not so much for the courage to close as for the genuinely NPOV and rational assessment of the arguments upon closure: something extremely rare these days (and ITN might magnify that rarity). I very rarely comment on ITN (usually only when I do perceive a distinct inability to apply equal standards to both sides, and when I feel a comment by me might possibly make a difference), and almost never on talk pages, but I did have to tell you directly that I truly respected your note as much as your action. In a time when increasing numbers of people confuse fact with personal opinion, you give me hope. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

broken link on user page
Just to let you know, you have a link at User:Chris McKenna (WMUK) to "userpage on the Wikimedia UK wiki" which points to an empty page with that title. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 22:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like KTC fixed it (with an appropriate edit summary)! Thanks Thryduulf (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * LOL, I've fixed it for him. -- KTC (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you! Thryduulf (talk) 14:39, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Non-existent WikiProjects
Hi, please see : it caused two redlinks. I expect that was a typo for  - but where are you getting the impression that  exists? It doesn't, but it comes up so often (in edits made by various other people) that I am certain that somewhere there is a list of WikiProject templates (perhaps a script) that is badly out of date. I need to find that list and fix it. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 14:01, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Music is something that I just expect to exist, and I am surprised that it doesn't (perhaps as a superproject of the songs, various genre, musical instrument, etc projects). I obviously can't speak for others, but my guess would be that they are thinking similarly to me. I don't use editing scripts/helpers (other than popups and hotcat) so that is not the source of the error, at least on this occasion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * has that it's . -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:05, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Roots music was a guess, since I didn't see anything better in WikiProject Music/Categories. the generic WikiProject Music was deleted since it's an umbrella project (see this discussion and the related TfD for the banner template).  please do feel free to replace Roots Music with something else, or just remove it since there are already enough banners on that talk page. Frietjes (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter - February 2017
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 * Pending changes/Request for Comment 2016 closed with no consensus for implementing Pending changes level 2 with new criteria for use.
 * Following an RfC, an activity requirement is now in place for bots and bot operators.

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 * Following the latest RfC concluding that Pending Changes 2 should not be used on the English Wikipedia, an RfC closed with consensus to remove the options for using it from the page protection interface, a change which has now been made. (T156448)
 * The Foundation has announced a new community health initiative to combat harassment. This should bring numerous improvements to tools for admins and CheckUsers in 2017.

Arbitration
 * The Arbitration Committee released a response to the Wikimedia Foundation's statement on paid editing and outing.

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RfC on "No paid editing for Admins" at WT:COI
I've relisted an RfC that was run at WT:Admin in Sept. 2015. It is at Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest as there are a number of similar proposals going on at the same place. Better to keep them together. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 04:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Azteca Deportes listed at Redirects for discussion
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Samsung Galaxy J1 mini Prime listed at Redirects for discussion
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Wrong heading
Yes, this was indeed an accidental wrong edit. And thanks for realizing it was just a hasty mistake. Sorry for any trouble I may have caused you.

And no problem on deleting the article, by the way! :-) --Uncle Ed (talk) 02:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I was really quite confused at first as I didn't remember making that change - especially as I haven't changed my mind that it's worth keeping, and when I do change my mind at RfD I tend to use strikeout. My next thought was maybe it was the disruptive user who got blocked earlier today, but it was too coherent for them. When I looked at the diff of the change though it all became clear :) Thryduulf (talk) 02:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Mireille Mathieu
Song for you! Mjroots (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Mention
Hi, Thryduulf - I received the following notice: ''Thryduulf‬ mentioned you on ‪Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard‬ in "‪Further clarification of arbitration motion regard...‬". A very good example of why you need to understand the sources you are looking at is this discussion about "High Speed Train" at Redrose64's talkpag...'' But when I tried to find it, my user name wasn't mentioned at all. If I have inadvertently gotten myself into trouble, please let me know. If the notification was a mistake, that's even better. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 21:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The notification was a mistake. I tried to ping HJ Mitchell but cocked up and transcluded his userpage instead (doh!) - on his userpage Harry displays a barnstar you awarded him, so it is almost certainly that which caused the notification to you (and thus likely to several other people too). Obviously I fixed that with my next edit, which is why your username doesn't appear in the text any more. Sorry for any inconvenience, heart murmurs, etc! Thryduulf (talk) 21:44, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I bought a defib 6 mos. after I started editing WP, taught my kids how to use it, and keep it close by just in case. I'm ready for just about anything. SMirC-super.svg <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 22:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I got the ping too and I suspect everyone referenced on Harry's talk page did as well. I don't get very many pings these days and when I saw the word "Arbitration" I was initially concerned on why my name need be said there these days. This was then followed by confusion when I realised my name actually wasn't brought-up at all but I eventually figured out what caused it. I'll give you credit for giving me a reason to make an edit! :P CT Cooper · &#32;talk 00:00, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2017
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 * AfDs that receive little participation should now be closed like an expired proposed deletion, following a deletion process RfC.
 * Defender, HakanIST, Matiia and Sjoerddebruin are our newest stewards, following the 2017 steward elections.
 * The 2017 appointees for the Ombudsman commission are Góngora, Krd, Lankiveil, Richwales and Vogone. They will serve for approximately 1 year.

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 * Cookie blocks should be deployed to the English Wikipedia soon. This will extend the current autoblock system by setting a cookie for each block, which will then autoblock the user after they switch accounts under a new IP.
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Your recent VPR closure
Hello Thryduulf, would you please review a post-close discussion that is now open at Village_pump_(proposals). Thank you, — xaosflux  Talk 14:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for your renaming suggestion
You suggested lowercasing an article a while back (see List of United States naval officer designators), and I have moved it on the basis of your suggestion and a suggestion in another section on its talk page. After nearly twelve years, I thought you might be pleased to see action taken. Happy editing! <font color="#C30">Chris <font color="#060">the speller <font color="#900">yack  04:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note! 12 years later can hardly be described as "speedy" but good things come to those who wait :) Thryduulf (talk) 09:10, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Srebrenica Massacre of Children 1993
I note that you deleted this redirect without repairing the incoming links, many of which are from widely used templates. I have fixed the templates, and will keep an eye on the "what link here" to see if any are from article text once the servers have caught up. I do think that in future it might be advisible to fix such links when you delete a redirect. DuncanHill (talk) 00:37, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2017).

Administrator changes
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 * Following a discussion on the backlog of unpatrolled files, consensus was found to create a new user right for autopatrolling file uploads. Implementation progress can be tracked on Phabricator.
 * The BLPPROD grandfather clause, which stated that unreferenced biographies of living persons were only eligible for proposed deletion if they were created after March 18, 2010, has been removed following an RfC.
 * An RfC has closed with consensus to allow proposed deletion of files. The implementation process is ongoing.
 * After an unsuccessful proposal to automatically grant IP block exemption, consensus was found to relax the criteria for granting the user right from needing it to wanting it.

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Replace links to "Wikipedia:Wikipedia:..." with "Wikipedia:..."
Per your participation in Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 20, you may be interested in a related request at Bot requests. Steel1943 (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Protection of Wikipedia:Harassment
You are heavily involved in that page, and since I am the obvious target of your page protection, and since we seem to have a clear history of opposing !votes on that page, and considering that your page protection immediately followed one of my opposes, I urge to reconsider your having protected that page. Really, you Oversighters have been throwing your weight around there enough as it is. As a class, you seem to be dominating that page, even without using admin tools to supervote. Geogene (talk) 21:47, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see The Wrong Version. I just saw that people were reverting each other rather than waiting for consensus to emerge from the ongoing discussions. I protected the page in the version I found it in, without regard for what that version was. Oversighters are not acting in a coordinated fashion on that page, but as we are the group of people who are in practice responsible for most of the implementation of the policy and see first hand the effects of harassment we tend to have views about it, but our !votes carry no more weight than any other user's. Thryduulf (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Then on what basis are you claiming that my edit "didn't have consensus" ? Who has opposed it? Geogene (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Mkdw reverted your edits on the basis that the part of the policy that it changed are currently being discussed on the talk page. Those discussions have not yet arrived at a consensus therefore no changes to that part of the policy have consensus, regardless of the change. This principle is not specific to this policy page - it applies to every page on Wikipedia but it is particularly important on policy pages. Thryduulf (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Shouldn't this have gone to Requests for Page Protection / Unprotection. I was going to go there before talking to you about it first. I'm concerned if the AN/I crowd is only going to look at your explanation before endorsing. That is inherently unfair. Geogene (talk) 01:48, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You cited administrative misconduct from both of us and demanded the decisions be overturned. AN/I is where grievances about other editors are sent. You've had your chance to make your case. The point was for other opinions on the matter to be heard which they have. If you want to retract your accusations or complaints, I would support an appeal to have the ANI withdrawn. <span style="color:black;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">Mkdw  <span style="color: #0B0080;text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px white, -4px -4px 15px white">talk 02:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You have won. But I will retract nothing. Geogene (talk) 02:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

This looks like you using your admin tools on a controversial page with which you are involved. It would probably be best for you to revert yourself and take this to WP:RPP. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Given that the protection has been endorsed at AN/I by everyone other than Geogene I see no reason to revert. I also think that protecting a page to ensure ongoing discussion continues to happen is not a failure to observe the spirit of WP:INVOLVED. Thryduulf (talk) 09:53, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Did not see the discussion at WP:ANI. Okay agree that is sufficient. Thanks Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 09:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Dear Sir. Thank you for your kind welcome. I have noticed that there has been repeated multiple targeted acts of vandalism by multiple users on a page that I contribute to: Ritam Chowdhury. Contribution of these users/vandals is limited to this page alone and are all acts of pure vandalism. Some accounts/IP addresses have been blocked. I assume same person as they are now using different IP addresses and their cell phones to make edits (can be easily done by going to a cafe or some other such public network) These users are 2001:630:212:de0:7813:a76e:24bd:115a

2001:630:212:de0:55a0:8fbb:e53:77a2

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2001:630:212:de0:bd3f:5083:e9b9:6296

2001:630:212:de0:ed37:5580:ae0f:2f0

2001:630:212:de0:5952:fcd3:e4b3:3c14

72.240.222.41

2001:630:212:de0:4d27:c4cb:7ee1:72af

2001:630:212:de0:74f9:fa4c:9074:39f5

Lolzzz 666

These are repeated targeted acts of vandalism directed at defaming and maligning the subject of the page. These acts are taking place on a daily basis and in fact multiple times a day. The pace of the vandalism is outstripping the rate of corrections. Please can you protect this page? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsmithcoops (talk • contribs) 02:54, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I suspect that Thryduulf is otherwise engaged at the moment. Have you tried filing a request at WP:RFPP? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 08:53, 18 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Probably. Since this is the first time I have experienced such malicious and directed vandalism on a page I edit, I wasnt sure. I had posted on the page you suggested. Thank you. I see now that the page has been given 1 week of protection. Thank you both for your help and efforts to reduce vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsmithcoops (talk • contribs) 11:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've only just seen this message, which is a good demonstration that it's almost always best to post requests like this on the general page rather than waiting for a specific user to be online. Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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Slow down
I know what you mean, but I have also gone through 5000 on list 11 today and my magic marker is at where it says "About 6000". However else are we going to clear them? Do you want to take a WP:X1 consession? Hmm? Most I actually keep and rcat. And still I have to throw some into RfD. We don't have an WP:X1 concession. I really don't want to flood RfD, but also while my engine is running let it run. I am on a different time zone from you, I imagine. it is midday for me so I am kinda on full pelt. I will slow down in an hour cos I have to get ready to look at this new house I want to buy. Let me go for an hour then I stop, OK. Si Trew (talk) 10:27, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * And We have had WP:BEFORE before. It is not my business to check external links and stuff if it is used in the wild. It is my business to make sure that internally, our encylpaedia makes sense. If it's not at the target, chuck it. I do actually do WP:BEFORE. Do I have to put before every nomination "I have done WP:BEFORE"? Hmmm? I don't see that on the RfD criteria at the top. You drafted them and I edited them. I can't see anywhere on those criteria it says WP:BEFORE. Si Trew (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * You can't have it both ways. Redirects don't have to be WP:RS. So why should I need to check WP:RS for them? You cannot have it both ways. Si Trew (talk) 10:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * What I am mostly doing is sifting and throwing out the most ridiculous eubot language creations, as a linguist, that just mean nothing at all without having to check RS just the words are ridiculous. That is why we get Ass fibre and stuff. Si Trew (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Stop taking the piss
I have bigger battles to fight right now than Wikipedia. But stop taking the piss. I will fight this one, first. In case it is of any interest to you, I just got a new house today that I fought for, with cash that I fought for. I can fight a jumped-up little shit at ANI like you any day. Just so you know my opinion of you. Then we're square. Si Trew (talk) 20:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It;s easy when you hide behind a screen. My name has won and lost me jobs by using my real name here. And you could not even fucking be bothered to get that right. What the fuck do you think that says about you/ ADMIN? FFFFFFF Si Trew (talk) 20:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologise for getting your name wrong. It was a simple and unintentional mixup between you username (unabbreviated camelcase) and display name (abbreviated title case(? I need to double check that)). I've been away from my computer for several hours so have only just seen your message. I'll see what I can do at AN/I without breaking anything. Thryduulf (talk) 21:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Stability
Hi. The page in question should not be a redirect, unless the content is properly merged somewhere. It's about how to end an edit war.

What I was saying there is that if each contributor feels that the article does in fact reflect his understanding, it's likely that he won't feel the need to revert or delete what the others have written. Of course this assumes that there's no actual desire to censor other viewpoints.

Here's a typical formulation:
 * "Only a handful of scientists disagree with the mainstream about global warming. Richard Lindzen of MIT is typical of those men who acknowledge the last 10 decades or so of modern warming is real, but refuse to endorse the idea that most of that warming is due to human activities such as carbon dioxide emissions."

I'd really like to see Stability fleshed out, so that those of us who despise edit wars and genuinely want neutral articles can see where and why others disagree - without anyone feeling they have to "win" by defeating or censoring others. If not a standalone page, at least a section in WP:NPOV. But not as a rule - more like a strategy - that's why I think it may need to be separate. --Uncle Ed (talk) 13:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Thryduulf/R to other wiki
This redirect was included on the bot report User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects/Userspace as a broken redirect needing administrator attention. If you leave it this way, the page will remain permanently on that report. Perhaps there is some other way that you can illustrate this problem? Because this way is not a very good idea. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no other way to demonstrate that redirects like that do not work other than to have a redirect demonstrating that it does not work. I'll talk to Anomie to see if there is a way to exclude it from the report. Thryduulf (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Please do this the correct way
Please add categories to templates only on the documentation page. See e.g. Template:Use British English. Debresser (talk) 20:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know that was the correct way. Thryduulf (talk) 21:15, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. Wish you pleasant editing. Debresser (talk) 21:23, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I see you've moved all the categorisation to the /doc pages but now only template:Use DMY dates is showing on the category page as a member? Is that just a cacheing issue or something? Thryduulf (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2017 (UTC). fix ping and sign again Thryduulf (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think so. You can make a null-edit to the template. That should fix the issue. Debresser (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If you add the cat to the doc page first, and then remove it from the template proper, there is no need for further action. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 23:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Smart. Thanks for that idea. Debresser (talk) 09:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2017
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2017). Administrator changes
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Oversight
So emailing people who haven't responded to email is the way to see if they will respond to email? I wanted to answer you in the thread, but don't trust admons not to block me now that you've closed the thread. Seriously, not bothering to respond to requests for Oversight is by far and away the best way of discouraging people from reporting. DuncanHill (talk) 11:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When you send an oversight request it creates an OTRS ticket, which people need to log in to OTRS to see. When you email functionaries-en your email is sent to the functionaries mailing list which goes straight to people's inboxes. No (non-spam) OTRS tickets are deliberately not responded to, and I don't know why yours wasn't, but most likely is that none of the oversight team happened to be online and available (I certainly wasn't all of sufficiently awake, online and available to deal with Wikipedia from before you sent the ticket until about 5 minutes before I saw the ANI thread). Simple tickets do tend to get dealt with first, and this one is not clear-cut - it requires reading the article, the linked news story and seeing if there is any background or additional context as the difference between what the cited source reports and what the diff added is not going to be a BLP violation in every instance. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Could that advice be added to the automated email acknowledging an Oversight request? People may not feel like hunting around for new email addresses when they've had no response. DuncanHill (talk) 12:14, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll flag that suggestion up to the functionaries list as it will need careful wording we will want to get right first time (and also I don't know off the top of my head how to do it). Thryduulf (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Please fix this
You screwed up this post, probably by editing through an edit conflict. You reinserted a misplaced sig that had been removed, and deleted a legitimate comment. Please be more careful. DuncanHill (talk) 12:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I got two edit conflicts when trying to add that comment. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It's best to abandon the edit and start again on ANI when you get an edit conflict. Has been a known problem for years. DuncanHill (talk) 12:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Swept under the rug
See? What did I tell you would happen. I have no faith in the system when it comes to dealing with admins who clearly should not be using the mop. --Tarage (talk) 17:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It largely ended the way it did because RexxS who started the thread (and would be made an admin in a heartbeat if he wanted it) didn't want to take it any further at the current time. If you want to see something more done then you are free to start an arbcom request (if you do, it's best to draft it somewhere and get all the diffs and links together and get it proof-read before going live with it). Thryduulf (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * If I had any faith at all that anything would come of it, I would. I don't. --Tarage (talk) 00:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)
The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Legobot (talk) 04:26, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Greetings
Hello Thryduulf, I hope this comment reaches you in happy times when also you are of good health. I wanted to let you know that I modified a comment from you where you unintentionally !voted twice on the same . I appreciate your understanding and hope you are not aggrieved by my bold action. Best regards.--John Cline (talk) 09:45, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem at all - the perils of editing while not yet fully awake! Thryduulf (talk) 10:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Fair use RFC ping
Hey Thryduulf. I wasn't aware (or I was too stupid/tired to read) that this RFC was a creation of an editor with whom I have an existing IBAN as a result of an Arbcom case. After I got your ping, I commented, then struck once I realised. My feelings are those that I wrote, but there's a significant chance now that one or more of the hawks will seek my permanent exclusion from Wikipedia for infringement of the IBAN. Just wanted to let you know that I appreciated being notified, and if I don't get to edit here again, my opinions remain the same, despite the strikeout. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah sorry, I didn't know about your iban. If anyone comes after you for a genuine error then please ping me and I will stand in your defence. Thryduulf (talk) 20:10, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for your kind response. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

File PROD
Hi. I saw that you used "di-disputed fair use rationale" on File:Robert miles photo.jpg. Just to let you that {{subst:proposed deletion}} now applies to files per RfC at WT:PROD, which is now archived. --George Ho (talk) 16:19, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Almost forgot. You may switch that template to PROD on the file if desired. George Ho (talk) 16:22, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Given that both have a 7-day waiting period, and a PROD may be removed without giving a reason but a disputed fair use rationale may not be until a third party has verified that there is a valid fair use claim, why would I want to prod an image I dispute the fair use rationale of? Thryduulf (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The File PROD was intended to clean out the backlogging of WP:FFD. Most PROD images get deleted anyways. More examples: . Search "File:" via browser's "find" tool for narrow search. Also, the removal of PROD would be intended to lead others into FFD, i.e. be more engaged into discussions about images, because FFD had very little participants until the PROD-ding on files was implemented. (More at WT:PROD and Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion/Archive 16.) Both templates have the same waiting period, which I addressed at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. However, I was told to treat those templates as separate entities until the usages are clarified. <P>About the "dfu" template, I don't intend to use it as it's too redundant to me. --George Ho (talk) 19:26, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Disputed fair use is a speedy deletion tag, not an FFD tag. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I know that. Nevertheless, I think "disputed fair use" is too subjective to be part of criteria for speedy deletion. Also, the template may have been either misused as "speedy deletion" tag or redundant. Does a third party know a lot about copyright and fair use? Also, is the third party aware that an image is used in more than one article? I changed the dfu template into FFD because I felt that more discussion/input is more necessary than waiting for the third party. Also, I removed one image from one of the pages and then removed the dfu template. In the case of the Robert Miles image, I wonder whether the template can be repeatedly removed but then reinserted over and over, leading to edit warring. I could be wrong about that usage, but it can happen to cases of other images. PROD prohibits edit warring due to the rule of using PROD no more than once. In other cases, PROD and "di-disputed fair use rationale" are similar to each other. BTW, another image and another image were PROD-ded but then de-PRODded and then taken to FFD. --George Ho (talk) 01:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Just for an update, the image was reinserted and then taken to FFD. --George Ho (talk) 04:21, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2017).

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