User talk:Thumper2

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From Bessie to Brazil
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If I have copied from anywhere it is from the Susannah McCorkle CD of "From Bessie to Brazil"" (which I have). Anyone putting CD details onto Wikipedia must copy them from somewhere, they don't just make them up out of the blue.  The 'links' and the layout of the total page are not from anywhere, they have all been created by me (and checked)Thumper2 (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

New articles on jazz albums
Welcome to Wikipedia. You've been creating some good articles on jazz albums, even if they are, at this point, little more than track and personnel listings. (You've done them very carefully, creating correct Wikilinks where needed, so thumbs up to you!) They will probably all have to be tagged eventually as "stubs", but there's nothing wrong with that. Articles have to begin someplace. It's about time somebody added these. Of course, I'm a little biased here, as June Christy and Susannah McCorkle are two of my favorite vocalists. :-) Oh, and as for that copyvio tag by a bot on From Bessie to Brazil, of course that was a bit ridiculous. As you apparently know, copying track listings does not qualify as plagiarism. WP:Plagiarism clearly exempts: "simple, non-creative lists of information, such as a list of song titles on an album". Keep up the good work! --Alan W (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (As I write these words, I've got June Christy's Day Dreams in the CD player; clearly our musical tastes overlap. You reminded me that I haven't listened to that one in a while. :-) It's good that you came along to help add articles on significant jazz albums. I occasionally still do a little in this area, but in recent years I've been focusing on other, primarily literary, interests, so I don't have the time. (If only I could clone a twin of myself.)


 * Yes, I've made it obvious here that Shelly Manne is a particular favorite of mine. (Great story about him and that card.) I don't play any musical instrument myself, but for whatever reason, at least in the jazz realm, I've taken a special interest in drumming; I love Buddy Rich too, taken on his own terms, but my personal inclination is toward the kind of thing Shelly did. Your writing and some things you've said suggest you're British (correct me if I'm wrong). My own view is that Americans have not generally appreciated how great some British jazz musicians are or were. About a year ago I discovered Ray Noble (I mean really discovered him), and I'm astonished at some of the things he did; the man was a genius. And until his recent passing, I used to listen to Humphrey Lyttelton's program on BBC (the beauty of computers and the Internet!).


 * I've added, somewhat randomly, stub template tags to some of your recently created articles. Please remember to include those in the future if you create any more articles like this (and I hope you do!). Though as I said I don't have as much time as I would like to work on music articles these days, please feel free to ask any questions. I've been on Wikipedia for almost seven years now (hard to believe), so my perspective might help. Regards, Alan W (talk) 18:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Ironic, since I mentioned that I've been around here for seven years, that I just realized that I have been adding stub tags incorrectly. Oops! They should be after the categories (as indicated in WP:Stub, which explains why). Never too late to learn, I guess. Also (and this I have been doing), there should be two blank lines before the stub tag, so it shows up as separated from the article text. I just added the tag to Cool Christy with these guidelines in mind, and I will change others (eventually; I'll start on one or two more now). Regards, Alan W (talk) 00:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

More June Christy
Hi Thumper! Great to see more June Christy albums added. I would like to make a few observations, though, about a few things that do need to be corrected (I have already made the corrections in some cases). First, as you may or may not have noticed, I have changed The Song is June to The Song Is June. The album page will have to be moved to the latter name (I will remind myself how to do this, but by the time I get to it you might have done it already). In titles, including album titles, certain internal small words are lowercase, but not all of them. Verbs should be capitalized no matter how many letters in the word. Thus, Is not is. This is explained in excruciating detail in WP:Manual of Style (music).

Also, the description of the album should be a standard, complete English sentence, not just something in parentheses (or round brackets or whatever they are called in Britain; again, I am assuming that that is where you are from :-). I will change some as I get to them if you haven't already. There is also something about this on a WP page, but I have now forgotten where.

Finally, your input is requested for Do Re Mi. I have made a long comment on the talk page there, so I won't repeat here what I said there.

I can really appreciate (and I hope others do as well) all the care you have taken with creating proper Wikilinks and that kind of thing. There are just a few more details needing attention. Any questions, please ask. Regards, Alan W (talk) 21:54, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thumper! I see you have reverted my edits. Please read my comments and the WP:MOS page before you start an edit war! Uppercase is the WP style for titles in this case. Thanks, Alan W (talk) 21:57, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Alan W I don't mind one little bit you changing The Song is June! to The Song Is June! on the June Christy page - but you need also to change every associated entry for each track link as well and also the new link page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thumper2 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 25 December 2010


 * Fair enough. I saw that and would have done it immediately, but I held back as a courtesy to you, not knowing what else you might have been editing at the time on those pages. I'll start looking into making everything consistent now. Alan W (talk) 22:44, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Wasn't as much of a pain as I expected. The instructions, links of links, automatic redirect, etc., make it easier than this operation otherwise would have been. Regards, Alan W (talk) 23:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Love Lost (Four Freshmen album)


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Nomination of Love Lost (Four Freshmen album) for deletion
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Thumper2, I have fixed the problems. Maybe what I did will give you some ideas about how to avoid these problems in the future. I agree with you about the Sex Pistols and that kind of thing; but that won't stop others from getting on your case if, in these short articles on albums, you don't throw in a little something to indicate notability, with a source or two as necessary. Regards, Alan W (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

You're Doing Great!
Hi Thumper. I can understand why you might feel a bit discouraged now. There are too many overeager administrators and others who are too quick to jump on people for the slightest straying from what they see as absolute requirements. They are forgetting that they were once newbies here themselves. Everybody has to start someplace, nobody knows all the requirements the first day. And there can be honest differences of opinion, too, but there are good and bad ways to discuss things and work out differences. Considering you're pretty new here, I'd say you're doing great. I especially like the very careful way you create Wikilinks and make sure that there is only one instance of each per page. Not everyone does that correctly right away or even bothers to do it at all.

Rome wasn't built in a day. By all means, take a break from the insanity. Wikipedia has driven me up the wall many a time over the past few years. But I have stuck with it because I love finding things out, putting it all together, and sharing the knowledge with others. And keep in mind that nobody can do it all the right way the first time around. You shouldn't be expected to. Things can be corrected. That's one of the beauties of Wikipedia. I have been at it for seven years now, and I keep learning new things every day. And if I see I made a mistake, I can go back and fix it.

So, yes, take a break. But I urge you to come back. Your contributions are valuable. Every little bit helps. And there are no rules as to how much you have to do or how fast you have to work. I work very, very slowly, and some articles have taken me literally many years to get to the point where I'm satisfied with them. And there is no rule that says you have to write long articles. Many there should be a bit more in some of them than you have started out with (a couple of references here and there, for example). But some people do nothing more than create "stubs", and that's a valuable contribution too. It's up to you. And of course so is staying or leaving; but I hope you won't go away altogether. Feel free to ask questions, etc.

And Happy New Year! --Alan W (talk) 07:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of First Affair/Voices in Fun


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