User talk:Thumperward/Archive 72

&ndash or - in season artilces
I may be in the wrong here but until yesterday when i was creating season articles i always used &ndash to separate the scores in the results sections. We use it in the names of season articles as we'll. Ive been advised this is wrong and we should be just using a straight –. I thought maybe i was wrong so went looking and loads of others use them as well such as 2011–12 Arsenal F.C. season, 2011–12 Watford F.C. season in England and all the ones in Scotland currently do. Could you explain to me why we use them in titles of the articles and if we should be using for scores or if the non coded - is fine. Also if using a space between the numbers and the - is ok as the scores look better laid out with a space when changed to a straight –. If you look at 1879–80 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season without the space it looks odd. I know we haven't got on in the past but i would really appreciate your advice. Edinburgh  Wanderer  16:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can answer anyway but i have read DASH again and it talks about using the markup code, i cant see where it says you cant use &ndash but given you are more of a tech you may no why. It also appears to say spaces are fine. Edinburgh  Wanderer  17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * There is no functional difference between using – and –, so it doesn't matter which you use. I use a script called Advisor.js which I can use to convert the HTML entity into the Unicode character with one click while editing. As for scores, the dash should be unspaced. And these should all be en dashes and not just hyphens (though people make far more of a fuss about that than it really warrants). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh just another of my melodramas got in one of my usual idiotic situations which i need to stop. A couple of users have been changing things on the season articles citing the mos policies which is fine as most were dates and style issues. But they were changing it from &ndash to a keystroke en dash. In one of my disussions they quoted its two pixels longer. In a way i don't have a problem with it, but i don't like the idea that there isn't actually any reason for them doing so.  Now having read DASH i cant see any reason why they need to remove them and change to a keystroke. I tend to follow other users to learn whilst editing which is why i have always used &ndash. In regards to the space i take it is a mos issue. Ill remember that for future. Thanks for your help. Edinburgh   Wanderer  20:16, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * On another note was there ever any discussion about a Mos for club season articles. The layout and style is so different on many articles. Edinburgh  Wanderer  20:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone's working on one, but you're more then welcome to give it a go. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * it could be worth whilst. I'm not sure how much support there would be. I'll maybe work on it in the summer when all the seasons are over and I get a bit of time back. Thanks  Edinburgh   Wanderer  11:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

re: Template:Football squad player/role/DC
Hi Chris, i saw you commented on said TFD, so i was wondering if you could help me. That template and its siblings are used in the player stats section of the 2011–12 Oxford United F.C. season page, and i was wondering if you knew how i could remove them from the table, as they appear to be built into the EFS template used. Thanks. Eddie6705 (talk) 20:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, appreciate it. Eddie6705 (talk) 00:17, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Wraps infobox
You might find Wraps infobox useful. It currently adds a category; we could make that switchable. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it maybe a better idea to add this functionality to tdeprecated? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Would you?
Since Ten Pound Hammer is, for whatever reason, is unable to show an interest, would you take a look at the discussion here? Aditya (talk • contribs) 04:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox consolidation
We have a volunteer with three templates on offer; care to take it on? (also gonna ask Gadget850). Alarbus (talk) 06:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * User talk:Alarbus

TfD comment
Hi Chris. I don't understand the comment you made here. Are you able to clarify it for me? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 23:13, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oops. Slight typo ("current news"), now corrected. Does that make it easier to parse? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, much. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 02:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Track listing template
When you've a minute, could you take a look at this please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Not really much to go on there. Fancy knocking up a proof of concept? Even if a template isn't adopted (there's been a general move away from One True Tracklist Format to standard wikitables of late), some sample code would provide best practice for marking up tracklist tables. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I noticed that move, while its cool from a software PoV, it is a barrier to entry I think. Rich Farmbrough, 12:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC).

foobar
Acording to http://alternativeto.net/software/foobar2000/ foobar200 has only 8 likes less than iTunes but 209 more then WinAmp.--92.198.37.119 (talk) 10:18, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * So more people voted for it on some website I've never heard of? That's not a compelling claim to notability. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * According to Alexa it is visited ten times more then osalt.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alternativeto.net http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/osalt.com --93.233.36.192 (talk) 21:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's visited ten times more often than some other website I've never heard of? This too lacks a little something as a claim to fame. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * then name me an side you use to find out which programs are similar to an specific program. --93.193.45.209 (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not how it works. Notability is not about votes on some website. It's about critical analysis from third-party sources known to be reliable (which excludes user-generated content like votes). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok than read various c't artikels http://www.heise.de/download/foobar2000-artikel.html or http://www.heise.de/ct/meldung/Audio-Player-foobar2000-erreicht-Version-1-0-900948.html --92.198.37.119 (talk) 10:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * While those are very short articles, they're at least a step in the right direction. What has to happen here is for these sources to be added to the article. The notability tag is largely about ensuring that the article adequately argues why the subject is notable. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Computer programming tag
Hello,

There are three tags about ch computing programming article. It has been a while. Can you help take a look and see if they can be removed now? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.79.249 (talk) 01:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Since it was tagged, the Ch (computer programming) article has not changed that much. The overall structure is the same. However, I'll try to give it another look over. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Female adult bio listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Female adult bio. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Female adult bio redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Magioladitis (talk) 21:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Apple Time Capsule
Hi! What's needing copy-editing in this article? I'm having difficulty spotting much on a first skim-through... Allens (talk &#124; contribs) 12:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It jumps about all over the place; the history of the series is repeated twice; the lead isn't a sufficient overview of the key points; there are some basic errors like one overly-long and wrongly-capitalised section heading. Nothing major, but it definitely needs a bit of a copyedit. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Fabrice Muamba
There is currently an inappropriate comment on Muamba's talkpage, I could remove it myself but I'd rather have it deleted i.e. (made inaccessabily through edit history). &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 10:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Dash
Block me or stop making unfounded accusations. He and his mate started this by coming to me not me to them. Duck and others started this today not me. I felt this was over I'd spoken to Jenks to learn more about it. I've read the policy. Now me changing his edits back to the code and leaving all the positive edits isn't edit warring. If others also feel a they want the code or there is no harm in using it then he does in no way need to make these edits. The policy highlights using the code it barely mention not using it. Now I'm happy to go about my own business but you choose to make this all about me. There are others not happy so why did you decide it's all my fault. I'm really sick of all this crap. Policy is there for a reason if there is one thing I will fight against is someone telling me the policy sates you shouldnt use the code like he did when it can be used. I had asked he leave then alone for the time being to allow them to be fixed but he clearly ignored that. Edinburgh  Wanderer  15:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The degree to which you are not listening is frightening. I'd advise you to start doing so, as I suspect that the degree to which you are given the benefit of the doubt is diminishing. I won't be the one to block you in any case, but this constant battleground mentality is certainly heading that way. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:55, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Block me, take to RFCU. I will do the same about you in that case. Your pointedness towards editors experienced and new is not in anyway befitting of an admin intact arbcom may be interested given there warning re civility relating to you. The facts are I'm not in the wrong. You and others have said that the policy allows both so how am i in the wrong. I never brought this to disussion other editors who agreed did. That whole thread shows consensus for the codes use and those who don't said there is no policy allowing you to only use a keystroke. Edinburgh   Wanderer  18:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A perfect example of your inability or unwillingness to digest the responses given you in good faith. We're done here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No we are not your are the worst admin i have ever come across. Arbcom should have taken your tools away. You go and start that RFCU I've got plenty of stuff for yours. Your uncivil to loads of users. You started this today by turning it against me when actually i never started that thread. Plenty agreed. I'm really wanting you to take this further. Edinburgh  Wanderer  18:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sigh. "We're done here" is a (semi-)polite way for a user to indicate that he is no longer interested in continuing a discussion on his talk page. I would advise you to respect that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Guys, come on, let's relax a bit, no need for Arbcom etc right now. I am always (oddly) surprised by the amount of energy expended over a discussion about en-dashes.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Sock
Hi Chris sorry to bother you,

since the amount of feedback is incredibly (but not surprisingly!) low, from several quadrants, can you please have a look at this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Aciyokrocky)? The new account, User:Steadyfingers, is now engaged in an edit war with me at Luis Enrique Martínez García (also one of AciyokRocky's favorites), inserting copyrighted pics, reverting correct stuff in box (youth, B clubs) and "gluing" all sentences in storyline (sometyhing Rocky also did).

As the previous account, Fingers also does not talk to anyone nor does he write a summary, so i'm through with this individual in terms of interaction, with him it's "rollback", "rollback", "rollback". However, i know it's not correct to edit war, thus i request your intervention.

Don't know why am i busting my derriere this way only for him to get a new account after (if) this one is closed, but hating my guts forever for reporting him in the process. Attentively, ty very much in advance --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Indeed sorry. I turned to User:GiantSnowman, who also left me hanging, the SPI continues to say nothing. Ok, nevermind, i still have rollback and edit war (article's on my watchlist, only problem is it's the only one from his "contributions"). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Please have a look at this "contribution" at Raúl González, removed everything in box regarding B and C clubs, without one word (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ra%C3%BAl_Gonz%C3%A1lez&diff=484593379&oldid=484590913). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Table of contents
Hi Chris, I want to try to make a template for a toc that is partly vertical and partly horizontal. I wanted to copy part of it from Template:Horizontal TOC, but I can't see where the actual code is. Can you direct me to it?

What I'm trying to create is a template for White House Farm murders (and similar articles with long tocs), where we would have something like:


 * 1 The Bambers
 * 1.1 Nevill and June Bamber; 1.2 Sheila Caffell; 1.3 Jeremy Bamber; 1.4 Extended family
 * 2 The murder weapon
 * 3 White House Farm, 7 August 1985
 * 3.1 Sheila's visit; 3.2 Telephone calls

Or:


 * 1 The Bambers (1.1 Nevill and June Bamber; 1.2 Sheila Caffell; 1.3 Jeremy Bamber; 1.4 Extended family)
 * 2 The murder weapon
 * 3 White House Farm, 7 August 1985 (3.1 Sheila's visit; 3.2 Telephone calls)

Both the vertical and horizontal tocs look a bit confusing when the tocs are long. See that article here with a horizontal toc, and here with a vertical one.

Any pointers would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Have a look at my vector.css for a first effort: put that in your CSS and combine it with TOC limit on the article. If you like the effect, we can see about how to deploy it properly. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks! SlimVirgin (talk) 03:31, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

portal-inline transclusion fixes
About a month ago we had a discussion on my talk page concerning changes you made to portal-inline where you removed the bullets from the template. Once we had cleared up our differences, you said, "I'm happy to fix the transclusions myself, which is what I was planning to do anyway." I was wondering, and several other editors have started wondering, when you were planning to fix the transclusions.  V C  14:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've been fixing them as I go. All of the templatespace transclusions have been updated, which covers the vast majority of transclusions. If you would care to enlighten me as to where "several other editors have started wondering, when you were planning to fix the transclusions" then that would help identify work still required. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The topic came up offhand on the talk page of the U.S. Roads Wikiproject and I decided to follow up. I did a survey and the only state whose road articles have portal lists that comprehensively need to be re-bulleted, as opposed to scattered articles, is Maryland. Several other states' highway articles were affected but most of the articles have been re-bulleted already. Since Maryland has almost 500 road articles, re-bulleting them manually would take quite a long time. Would you be able to go through the articles in the following categories and re-bullet the portal lists under See also? Categories are Category:State highways in Maryland, Category:U.S. Highways in Maryland, and Category:Interstate Highways in Maryland.  V C  01:49, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Could you delete Template:NASA?
Thnaks for bringing it up at WP:TFD. I went through and converted all transclusions of NASA on talk pages to Include-NASA on the corresponding articles. (I learned a lot about AWB in the process.) So, we can close out the TfD now, delete NASA and remove it from WP:TFD/H. —hike395 (talk) 15:05, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Awesome work. I've just moved include-NASA over it, so that we can use NASA for inline attribution in future. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Philcha's PC attacked
Hi, Thumperward, I need an admin. I'm using my wife's PC as my PC softare has been attacked. My PC had on "Portia fimbriata" (a spider), and a new image that I did not play there. When I moved to the new page, I had an image, e.g. Firefox can'd do it. I has no problem wife's PC usering opening and closing Firefo. --Philcha (talk) 02:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I'm having a little trouble figuring out what it is you're requesting. Could you explain what it is you'd like me to do? Thanks... Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I got it
Thank you for fixing up Template: The Fame! You can remove the deletion tag. It is now a legitamite template. Thanks! Plmnji (talk) 15:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Invisible tfd
Ahh, thank you very much for bringing this to my attention! I have turned a corner of my garage into one enormous man drawer, sadly. Cheers! ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * My pleasure. Mine too has outgrown its original drawer and now also inhabits a shoebox in the hall cupboard and a large blue box wedged forcibly under my PC. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Faculty (division) edit
Thumperward, on 2012-04-12T08:05:54 you deleted all of the text of Faculty (division) and replaced it with a "Short pages monitor" template. Did you do that on purpose? I'd have reverted it, but I see that you are an experienced editor and thought you might have had a good reason. There was no explanation in the edit summary or note in the talk pages. Please fix or add something to the talk page explaining your edit. Thank you. SchreiberBike (talk) 19:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I've actually replaced it with wi, which is a soft redirect to Wiktionary. The long comment that was added simply stops the page appearing on the short pages monitor (designed to detect page blanking vandalism and other non-articles). The reason I replaced the page with a soft redirect is because the "article" we had was simply a couple of unsourced paragraphs essentially giving a dictionary definition of the term. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that the article is less than optimal, but it seems to me to be more useful than a link to Wiktionary. The term “faculty” is commonly used in two very different ways and a clarifying link to either Faculty (academic staff) or Faculty (division) would help readers. A link to Wiktionary doesn’t clarify the usage. An alternative would be to change Faculty (division) to a redirect to College, which is roughly synonymous with the usage of “faculty” outside of North America. What do you think? SchreiberBike (talk) 19:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm happy with pointing either page at a better redirect. However, the terms do not warrant their own articles at this stage. Thanks for the discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Brazilian vandal
Hi there CHRIS,

as you may or may have not noticed (i assume you have, given you are a member of WP:FOOTY), i have decided to retire. Over the last few days, however (maybe it's me on a cold turkey fit), i have still performed the odd edit.

While doing so, i have discovered that the anon IP address of User:Bruno corinthiano has returned to action following his three-month ban (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/177.0.204.119), no summaries and removal of box stuff still abound, as expected. Why do i come to bother you (i think it is BOTHER, as the last three or four messages from you to me have received no feedback whatsoever, will not continue to apologize over and over again for something i have not done)? Because you blocked the account, and the person who blocked the IP, User:Fastily has been absent for several weeks now, i have already messaged this other admin, but not sure if/when they'll read it, only reason i wrote you.

Attentively, from Portugal, VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.65.54 (talk) 17:19, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll try to look into it, Vasco, but I can't make promises (hunting through vandalism is something I don't enjoy doing very much, which is one reason that I always tried to suggest that you use the main anti-vandalism channels like AIV / SPI rather than contacting individual admins: we burn out too, y'know). But I do hope you return one day: your contributions here will not be forgotten and you've done a tremendous amount of work in improving coverage in areas that the encyclopedia is crying out for contributors to. Take care. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks mate, and sorry for any misunderstanding :) --217.129.65.54 (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Something for you

 * Thanks. Hope I wasn't trodding on any toes, but I think the new markup is so much easier to understand and edit (not to mention consistent with modern practice) that it was a net benefit. There's still more to do: WPMILHIST Announcements really needs to start using  and normal bulleted lists rather than manual inline bullets, but I'll hopefully get to look at that later. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)