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Hi I changed the indentation style here because it changed after my comment, sorry. IRWolfie- (talk) 12:54, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No worries. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Page move - Part 2
I have done as you requested and brought forth the proposition (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_moves/Technical_requests). Could you at least be so kind and tell me after a glance if i posted it in the correct place? I have also left a message in the article's talkpage.

Happy week - --AL (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The page says to use the template, but you're probably okay. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:76.16.72.26
Your little friend didn't get the hint. I've also left a note. Not in hurry to take action, but wanted to ping you on it. Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 09:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * 48 hours off. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Melvins
I unprotected it ... that user has not returned since then. Daniel Case (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 06:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Your name has been brought up thread is User:JohnMannV. Blethering  Scot  23:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Templates Football team xxx
Hello. With regard to the thread WT:FOOTY, the problem appears to be that Football team 1, Football team 2 and Football team player were redirected to football squad start, football squad player and again football squad player, a couple of months ago by yourself with edit summary "merge". I've no idea of the history of these redirects, but they do seem to have screwed up the various youth cup finals articles, Full Members Cup, 1988 Full Members Cup Final... Would undoing the redirections solve the problem, for now? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I've made a couple of quick edits to the associated templates which have solved the immediate breakage. If you see any more please let me know. Ideally football team 2 will got to TfD to get substituted and deleted, which should properly resolve this. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I remember it, Football team 2 used to put the second team's details in the right-hand half of the page, opposite the first team's details rather than below them, so would it be feasible to merge it into Fs mid with support for the team parameter, along the lines of what you did with Football team 1/Fs start? I'm not well up on template functions, so this may well not be a sensible idea. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, great catch. I've fixed this properly now, which gives the ideal result (templates merged, but with full functionality). Cheers for the pointer! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You might want to g7 this? Rich Farmbrough, 12:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC).


 * Wow, that's a blast from the past! Hmmm, though: isn't there still a valid use case for it? It's quite a bit more specific than undue and coatrack are. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Cleanup-reorganize message for David Weber
Greetings and felicitations. I see that you added a message to David Weber, but I am unclear as to why, as there is nothing in the layout (which is essentially the same as it was in February when you added the tag) that shouts "violation", and neither your edit comment nor the article Talk page gives a reason. Would you please be so kind as to elucidate?—DocWatson42 (talk) 21:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The article is nearly all jammed into one section, which has too many subheadings. As a biography, the article should focus on Weber himself and not just on a list of his works. Instead, the fragments of the article which actually discuss Weber's life are either placed in the lead section (which should really be a summary of the article's key points) or in scattered sentences in the "his works" section which is far too closely paraphrased from the sources (source 7 in particular is liberally copied from with the pronouns swapped out for the third person). It's not quite at the "full rewrite" stage (although the close paraphrasing must be eliminated), but the layout certainly needs to be heavily rethought. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you mind if I copied and pasted the above into the article's Talk page?—DocWatson42 (talk) 02:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Be my guest. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Right—done.—DocWatson42 (talk) 07:49, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Gone fishing
Please feel free to trout me for commenting on the matter at the article talkpage before blocking Meowy over at ANI. De728631 (talk) 22:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright, thanks. De728631 (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your support in my successful RfA. You might not remember, but you set me straight a while back that a comment in an XfD without a recommendation in bold is still a !vote.—Bagumba (talk) 00:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Congratulations. I'm sure you'll do great. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks...
We've disagreed in the past, but thanks for your statement on AN/I. Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

typo in sidebar
could you take care of this if it hasn't been resolved already? thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * this was fixed, thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

an infobox for football support clubs?
see Firma (supporter group) for example. I converted it to use infobox, but I am wondering if a frontend to say infobox organisation would also suffice. Frietjes (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd just use infobox organisation. There isn't really enough in the way of specific attributes to warrant a separate template here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Flag icons in infoboxes
Hi Thumperward,

So sorry to bother you, I was discussing with Drmies about Eurovision and Junior Eurovision articles, in particular the infoboxes used on the annual contest articles. Drmies informed me that the line on Template:Infobox Eurovision for host broadcaster shouldn't have a flag icon per MOS:FLAG, and has removed the Dutch flag from JESC 2012 article for now. My concern is that there are 58 Eurovision, 9 more Junior Eurovision, and 1 ABU Song Festival articles which all have the host broadcaster's national flag icon next to them. Drmies recommended I speak with you to see if we (as in Project Eurovision) should be removing these icons immediately? I look forward to your response in due course. Much regards,  Wesley  Mouse  18:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * As Drmies says, the use of flags in this situation is discouraged, so ideally they should be removed. My participation in this template has only extended to cleaning up the internal code: there is certainly room for further improvement. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply back. Just to clarify, the flag icons should be removed from the 'host broadcaster' fields only?  They are perfectly fine to show list of debut, withdrawn, returning countries ,as well as winning country in the same info box?  And if/when I start to remove the flags from host broadcaster, I'm assuming it would be safe to write "removing icon per MOS:FLAG" in the edit summary.   Wesley   Mouse  19:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * It is never required to use flags to represent nationality: it is merely permitted where the entity thus tag is established as representing the nation in question. Personally I'd remove all of them. However, this is likely to be opposed by at least some other editors, whereas the removal of flags from the broadcaster field should not be at all controversial. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean about some editors opposing the removal of flags. I have witnessed a few overly heated debates on the project talk page about these.  The majority of members where in high support of flags in infoboxes to show debut countries etc.  But nobody mentioned their usage for broadcasters.  Saying that though, ESC 2012 gained GA status using the current format of flag icons for broadcaster.  So it does leave things up in the air somewhat.  I have reopened a discussion again at WT:ESC to see what people think.  Feel free to add some experienced insight over there, see if we can get people to see sense.   Wesley   Mouse  19:34, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Update - a member of Project Eurovision has stated that "Eurovision is an 'international competition', and WP:INFOBOXFLAG says: 'Examples of acceptable exceptions would be ... infoboxes that include international competitions'". Would this be the loop-hole that makes it acceptable? Also I've found a possible compromise on this too, by removing the flag icons off some articles and replacing them with the full title of the host broadcaster; which to me personally seems more logical to hold the full title rather than a flag. The flags alone are most often depicted in the contest logo.  Wesley  Mouse  23:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * While the competition is international, the broadcaster is not the contestant: the musical act is the contestant. That implies that the musical act may be permitted to have a flag, but the broadcaster may not. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Firma
Explain you why you want to revert and where is the porblem? I dont understand why you want this?--Nado158 (talk) 14:55, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * In infoboxes, we do not use  or inline captions. Instead, we use   and the   attribute. You have twice reverted editors who fixed this for you: please do not do it again. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:58, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox for by-elections
We're discussing what infobox to use for by-elections. Further input would be welcome. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Replied over there. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:58, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Neopaganism-sidebar
Hello. You recently edited Template:Neopaganism-sidebar. I feel that one of your changes may have warranted discussion before implementation. I posted such on the talk page. — Sowlos (talk) 14:31, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Replied over there. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your prompt reply. — Sowlos (talk) 05:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * the discussion has continued at Template talk:Neopaganism-sidebar, it would be great if you could comment on the various compromise solutions, and latest sequence of edits. Frietjes (talk) 22:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you - again - for your input. The issue was starting to get a little out of hand. It looks like it may now be resolved. — Sowlos (talk) 11:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox bus
I just closed this discussion. It would be great if you could work with others (e.g., OSX) to make sure no information is lost, and the merger goes smoothly. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 17:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Work's already done in the sandbox. :) Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

infobox
Hi, before you make changes to infobox automobile, be careful what you are changing, the last change reduced the image size just been fixed in the last weeks. -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 17:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * This change actually broke image sizing in existing templates for the somewhat dubious gain of deliberately oversizing images. I don't see where it was even discussed. It was entirely unhelpful for you to revert over such a minor issue anyway. If you're not capable of fixing the problem yourself, then in future consider letting editors who are know in advance rather than simply dismissing their work. Sigh. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Before accusing of others for someone other mistakes, would be be good not to teach others, there was reasons for opposing this merging. If you cant make it work dont blame others. If I would been supporting the whole merging idea, I would probably fixed that, but before you make your changes, could you check it goes right, it affect so many pages thx. There is also other things wrong now, see talk page -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 17:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's trivial to make it work. That's why it would have been better to drop me a note before reverting. Anyway, it's fixed now, thanks to Plastikspork. If you have any other issues then please feel free to raise them and I'll try to fix them as quickly as I can. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I know its trivial, but the idea of Wikipedia editing is that you try look what you are editing, maybe check the code (whats been happened lately) before and look the result afterwards. This is important especially these kind of templates used this many articles. you cant just close your eyes and hope everything goes ok -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 18:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No offence, but I've got enough experience of templatespace (over 12,000 edits) to know all this already. The tradeoff between some minor image size issue and the complete breakage of numerous transcluded articles strongly falls on the side of the latter. If you're looking for an apology, then I'm sorry for the disruption I caused. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:13, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I added back the upright stuff for now, but I agree that it seems unnecessary. We can tackle that later.  There was a small typo in the label numbering that I fixed.  Other than that, it looks fine as far as I can tell.  Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  17:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Why
Why did u make this change? Pass a Method  talk  22:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Massive simplification of the code base. If you're here to complain about the loss of the pretty colours, see the template talk page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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voidd
the purpose of voidd is to provide an alternative method for tracking template parameter usage. in most cases, it would be only temporary, until things are cleaned up. it's faster than creating a tracking category, then deleting the tracking category when the clean up is finished, since you don't actually need to create a template/category for it to work. basically you add something like, then track transclusions of the template "track uses of foo parameter". of course, one could use a category here instead, but this is a different method. I temporarily substituted the two major uses of this template (template:infobox basketball biography and Template:Infobox Rugby Union biography), and then cleaned up what was left. I could live without it, since the substituted version is just as concise (but less obvious). this particular tracking method is handy since it's quick and doesn't require creating tracking categories. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Came glasswork
Hi, I see that you did some clean-up / editing work on Lead came and copper foil glasswork and tagged it as needing to be rewritten so it doesn't sound like a "how to" piece and includes more citations. I've rewritten the article, and based upon comments on the talk page, renamed the article to Came glasswork, which of course is more inclusive. I've also revised the links in many articles to Came glasswork.

If you have a bit of time to stop by and take a look - any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Oh, by the way, I also expanded the Came article at the same time.--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Superb work: thanks so much! I'll try to do anything I can to further improve this in future. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! Thanks, Chris!--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Geobox
Please see Template talk:Geobox and Template talk:Geobox. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)