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May 2013
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William and Mary
Hallo, in stub-sorting I've just come across William and Mary and your edit.

A few points: Happy Editing! Pam D  22:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Any stub tag should go right at the end of the article, after all navboxes etc - see WP:ORDER
 * I don't think this article actually is a stub
 * Your edit summary was "Stubify", but although it's not listed in WP:GLOSSARY, WP:STUBIFY leads to a paragraph about turning an article into a stub, and that's what I've always understood the term to mean (I might add it now to the Glossary). Your edit summary could have been "tag as stub" or something like that. Or just "stub".


 * I've always disagreed with putting stub tags at the very bottom, but never had the energy to propose changing the guideline. An article a scant couple of paragraphs long on an important part of English history is certainly a stub in my mind, though it may be that it overlaps with other history articles (and if so should be expanded from them). From a CS background, creating a placeholder (or, to the same effect, replacing something with a placeholder) would be to "stub it out"; I've been using "stubify" to mean "placing a stub tag" for years, and never thought that it was official jargon. I certainly wasn't aware of the popular use of "stubify" with that meaning. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Draft topic ban Jax
I would like to see you comments and additions to User:The Banner/Workpage28, the draft for a topic ban proposal regarding Jax 0677. Hope to hear soon. The Banner talk 12:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks sensible. I'm not sure you need to do the whole signing statement thing again after the RfC, though: I'd just put it on ANI and notify those involved in the discussion. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 13:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

template help with Infobox disease/sandbox2?
Hello, you helped us way back when with GNF Protein box, and I remember being blown away by your template wizardry. If you have a moment, would you mind lending a hand on Infobox disease/sandbox2? I'd like to make the "Phenotypes" section a show/hide element. Even better if you could show the top 5 by default, and have the rest of the list viewable on user click. I have a test case using the sandbox template at User:ProteinBoxBot/Phase_3. I made an attempt to change the table class, but with no luck. Any insights would be welcome! (I should also add that we know that this is a very crude prototype at the moment, both in terms of the code and the display. Right now we are just scoping out the data to be included in an expanded template, but making sure we can do this show/hide thing is important for us if we want to consider adding the "phenotype" data at all.)  Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 18:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, User:Frietjes got it! Cheers, Andrew Su (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox valley
Hi there, I seem to remember that you are the infobox wizard. Could I ask you to take a quick look at Val Nure and tell me why I don't get a little red zit on the location map (presumably the result of user error, but I can't see where)? If anyone has time to waste, some slightly fuller documentation for that infobox might be helpful. Many thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to specify the map name without the "location map.svg" part. Otherwise, the location map templates that infobox valley calls doesn't believe it's really a map and won't accept coordinates (only absolute positioning). I've fixed the article. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:25, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Weird. Thank you very much. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposal: topic ban for Jax 0677 regarding templates
FYI: the proposal is filed here The Banner talk 15:46, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Embedding for sidebar
see template talk:Sidebar, and I think we should consider removing the extra bold tags from around the title when yes in infobox. this will fix the double bolding problem, and I can remove that warning from the documentation. the worst thing that could happen is that some embedded headings become unbolded, which would could be easily fixed by adding the bolding directly to the tranclusion (see this thread). Frietjes (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

James Rodriguez (footballer)
The only thing I saw that wasn't 'neutral' was how the opening referred to his 'amazing' playmaking skills. Then, all of the praises that was 'questionable' was referenced in a link (or more than just one link) given by his entire 'talents'. They all reflected to how he's been praised by figures and coaches as well as football experts. Now if you believed that there's a specific part that is 'questionable', then please refer it because everything seems to related to how he's been praised respectively by actual figures/experts.

Ring spinning
Could you answer the question on Talk:Ring spinning? I am perplexed. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 11:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:34, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Foreign hostages in ...
any idea what to do with the html tables in Foreign hostages in Afghanistan and Foreign hostages in Iraq? Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * They add so little value beyond regular TOCs that I doubt it'd be missed. These are legacies from the years before we more or less eliminated custome TOCs. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Removal of block notices by Wtshymanski
The user Wtshymanski has removed several block notices, possibly with the intention of avoiding scrutiny based on past actions. Since you added the most recent one (and I'm not sure how to respond) I thought that you should know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.2.46 (talk) 18:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Editors can remove block notices from their own talk pages whenever they wish. Find something better to do with your time, please. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC "Mega Drive" versus "Genesis"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sega_Genesis#RFC:_.22Sega_Mega_Drive.22_or_.22Sega_Genesis.22_as_the_article_title.3F

Might be of interest to you. --85.211.130.47 (talk) 19:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Sightings (band)
Back in September 2011 you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Your help requested at WP:Split
Greetings.

I'm a newbie, and I'm wise enough to say so, so pardon me if I'm doing things the "wrong" way or seem to be out of place. I'm trying to learn all I can and practice techniques in my own userspace before attempting to do things in the "real world" and inadvertently causing a big stir, as newbies are wont to do. :-)

It seems like you were a major contributor to Template:Split from a couple years ago. So it seems to me like you may be an excellent person to have in the discussion we're having on how to properly split an article, and then properly updating WP:SPLIT to reflect what we've learned. I think I'm not the only one who's a bit confused about how this template is to be used and what the final result should look like.

I'm actually an old computer geek, myself, and pretty good at writing documentation, so I can certainly help there ... but where we're weak is understanding specifically what the template is calling for.

I'll also be inviting contributors of Template:Split to to our discussion, so we can have a full understanding and agreement on this.

Thanks in advance for your help and comments!

Djdubay (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Tagging Fly tying for Galleries ??
Chris, I see where you tagged Fly tying for excessive use of galleries. However, I can find no Galleries in the article. Indeed there are numerous images in the article, mostly in tables associated with specific aspects of fly tying. Are you objecting to the number of images, the use of the tables or both? The layout can certainly be improved upon, but I don't think "excessive use of galleries" gets to the issues. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


 * The two huge tables toward the end need completely re-thought. I'm not even sure that the content is particularly appropriate, particularly the instructions in the first one. If you want to reword the tag, move it down the article, or better yet fix the problem then be my guest: it's on my todo list. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

infobox awards
apparently, infobox awards is being used as a method for gluing together multiple image templates (see, for example, Ninian Park and Cathays Park). a check of what links to that template indicates that less than half are actually correct uses. perhaps a solution would be to make able to render more than one row? I have seen photomontage, but I'm not sure that is the solution for this particular problem. Frietjes (talk) 23:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot I created that template. I have been using quote box as it is much more versatile. --  Gadget850talk 00:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Urgh. My preferred approach here is the delete key. There's no reason we can't point at these images elsewhere instead of polluting our markup with wads of presentational tables and divs. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I will put it on my clean up list and then send it to TfD after converting the obvious ones. Frietjes (talk) 18:43, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn. I saw the section heading, and thought I was about to get a shiny new barnstar. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:42, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * if you want an award, help with [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cherrybrook_Kitchen&diff=562032735&oldid=459260660 this cleanup]. just check [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AInfobox%2Fdoc&namespace=0 this list] and replace as many as possible with proper infoboxes. Frietjes (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for educating
me about the word cromulent here. Could not find it in the Cambridge and Oxford dictionaries on my bookshelf. Had too google it. Needless to say, that is pretty impressive. Sorry for taking your time, but I had to inform you :) Anir1uph &#124; talk &#124; contrib 17:58, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It once had an article of its own here, believe it or not. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Haha! Nice :) Anir1uph &#124; talk &#124; contrib 20:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Geobox
The talk page for Geobox seems under-watched. Could you please take a look at Template talk:Geobox? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:34, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Animal transportation
Hi, just to let you know that as you contributed to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Anthony Seldon/Box of seals, there is a related discussion going on at Articles for deletion/Animal transportation which you may be interested in. Thank you! Seal Boxer (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Testcases
I thought you might like Testcase table (see a demonstration at Template:Infobox NCAA team season/testcases). I was always annoyed with creating side-by-side testcases, since you had to copy the input twice. This is no longer necessary with Lua. being able to iterate over the args, without knowing the names, is extremely useful. Frietjes (talk) 22:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, misclick
Hi, Thumperward. I thanked you for this edit, and I feel the need to tell you that that was a misclick. I meant to thank somebody totally different (User:Drmies). Bishonen &#124; talk 20:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC).


 * Fair enough. It's the first I've even seen this "thanking" system. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Ga.legis
just when I thought I had seen it all, we now have. Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Infobox wrapper templates
I have created Category:Infobox wrapper templates. Please feel free to make use of it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ  21  17:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Neuroleadership
Hi. I was looking through the History of the "Neuroleadership" page. It looks to me that you proposed it for deletion last year. It then looks like the proposal for deletion was closed by a non-administrator. Am I reading this history correctly? Thanks,Lapabc (talk) 06:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Neuroleadership for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Neuroleadership is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Neuroleadership until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Lapabc (talk) 07:07, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to make Infobox scientist a module of Infobox person
Please see Template talk:Infobox scientist. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Food desert
Regarding the copyvio you previously removed from Food desert, were you able to confirm that it was not backwards copyvio? As far as I can tell, the content was first added to Wikipedia in December 2010. Unfortunately, the Internet Archive does not appear to have crawled successorganics.com during that time.  Based on the page data, I think it wasn't uploaded to successorganics until March 2011.  It was also contained within a folder titled "wp-content", which I think is short for "WikiPedia-content", and all of the links were internal to Wikipedia. I think we are dealing with backwards copyvio, so I will restore that version for now. Viriditas (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "wp-content" is a base directory in WordPress. You're entitled to go and politely ask the people who run that website (which certainly doesn't appear to be a content parasite) if that material was innocently lifted from Wikipedia, but the original content dump here raises so many red flags that it's truly difficult for me to believe that an experienced editor would simply undo a rationalised copyvio blanking in advance of discussing it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 08:30, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the correction in regards to the "wp-content" directory. However, the date of the directory indicates it was added three months after Wikipedia hosted it.  I can also prove it.   There are minor differences indicating that the older version on Wikipedia had the original content. For example, the original lead sentence uploaded to Wikipedia was sourced to "Ford", but that reference was removed on the successorganics website when they uploaded it.  Most noticeably, the original version did not contain the note "see DataHaven document, below" as that note was added later to refer to an external link on Wikipedia.  I'm sorry, but I think the evidence is very clear that this was copied from Wikipedia.  Why would this website refer to a link that only appears in an external link section on Wikipedia? Honestly, this appears open and shut. Viriditas (talk) 11:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Very well. It's maybe worth checking the rest of that site's content to check if anything else closely matches our content, in that case. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Science
by removing the width parameter, the [show]/[hide] links now overlap the "Philosophy and history of science" text for the last title label. I can generate a screen shot if necessary. Frietjes (talk) 19:35, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Rolled back for now. I'll have a closer look when I get the chance. Thanks! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Modules in Infobox officeholder
Please see Template talk:Infobox officeholder where your expertise would be appreciated. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

OOo/AOO
I've left a pile of dangling references on AOO, but have to nick out the door now. Nice one on kicking this off - David Gerard (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No worries. I'm probably going to be busy myself today, but better to have started than to have left it any longer. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 10:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Infobox and refs
As you may have noticed I am struggling with explaining the new census information at Template:Infobox Scottish island. The new data referenced at Template:NRS1C includes this: "In addition to the islands listed in this table, the following islands are included in the NRS statistical geography for inhabited islands but had no usual residents at the time of either the 2001 or 2011 censuses:..." The islands concerned are detailed at WikiProject Scottish Islands/Populated Islands. The amended wording in the infobox covers this issue but my concern is that a reviewer at GA/FA is going to say that this is all very well, but its not referenced directly in the article and depends on a reference at a different page. I amended the sandbox to include a hard coded reference, which seemed to work except for the automatic "Cite error:" message at the foot of the page, but I was reluctant to include in the main infobox in case it started mangling things. Any advice gratefully received. Ben  Mac  Dui  08:36, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Lead image size
Hi. here you let me know that the guidelines allow up to 400px for lead images. Where do the guidelines say this? Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I wish I could point you at something right now, but I can't seem to find it. Knowing the MOS it's been changed ten times since I dropped that note. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, well. Thanks anyways! Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Tabs template question
Hello Chris, I am looking to set up nested tabs, that is when you click on a tab on the the page tabs template, the new page has a second set of tabs right below it that joins into the box created by the page tabs template.

Seeing is better: WikiProject Food and drink/Templates

When You click on "Templates" on the main tab, I would like to have a new set of tabs to appear on the page below and have the line connect into the box created to the main Page tabs template. The second row also needs to default to the first page.

Up for the challenge? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 17:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey: sorry, completely dropped the ball on this one. I take it you've gotten everything working okay? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really, I just doubled up the templates. It is rather cludgey and doesn't look right. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Gladiator
Template:Infobox Gladiator has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Magioladitis (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Location map all
any idea why we need this template? seems like location map+/location map~ is far less complex and allows for an infinite number of markers? Frietjes (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Didn't take much more than a glance at the author to come to agreement with you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 16:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Sven
You seriously did not realize that was ? That IP should have been immediately blocked, not coddled. You got suckered by this troll, I know. Do not be derelict in your duty. Doc  talk  18:59, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow. This was from months ago. And I've a history with Sven that you've not investigated. One day day you'll grow bored of drama, hopefully. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The drama continues. All tagged up. Doc   talk  20:33, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Well, you seem to have this firmly under control. Good work, or something. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 11:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Wtshymanski
I hate to bother you, but it's happening again. :( --Guy Macon (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Precious again
  lack of barnstars

Thank you for quality gnomish work on templates, including moves, for your better "purpose here as collecting trophies", and for recognizing , - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2012 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 289th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)