User talk:Thunderbird2013

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Happy editing! Blythwood (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Crimson (typeface)


The article Crimson (typeface) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "It exists, but there is no significant coverage in independent, reliable sources."

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Nomination of Crimson (typeface) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Crimson (typeface) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Thoughts
Hi, thanks for all your edits on typography and font topics! I've seen some of your edits have been edited and removed and can imagine that's really frustrating. Wikipedia has strong policies that material added to Wikipedia should come out of reliable sources, both to document that something is true and that it's a notable topic enough for an article. Obviously, that last point can be frustrating-here's this font, you can download it and see it's a real thing, it's used on a lot of websites, isn't that enough for it to get an article? But it's necessary for something on Wikipedia to have coverage from reliable sources.

I've been trying to look after the Wikipedia articles on fonts for a while now. My suggestion is that it's good to read up on the history of typography from the great authors and experts who have written about it like James Mosley, John A. Lane, Harry Carter, Justin Howes, John Dreyfus, Paul Shaw, Sébastien Morlighem and Hendrik Vervliet, the back issues of the journals Matrix and Fine Print or the Slinn/Carter/Southall history of Monotype. For me, the real breakthrough in my knowledge of font design was when I went into libraries and started reading books from these great authors, few of whose works are available freely on the Internet. It gave me a whole new set of ideas on things that I immediately felt needed to be included on Wikipedia and broadened my knowledge in a way reading what's on the internet couldn't.

If you're interested in typography and have thoughts Wikipedia isn't the right space to publish, I really recommend establishing a blog-I'd certainly read it! (There's Typographica, but its main publication is its annual review of new fonts and Font Review Journal seems to have stopped running new content, and Type Mag runs relatively few articles.) Publishing new things is great, and although I'm not sure Wikipedia can take everything I can tell you're interested in, getting it on the Internet would be awesome. Blythwood (talk) 06:01, 7 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Blythwood, just want to say thank you for your suggestions and comments. I understand and respect the policies on Wikipedia, so I am not really complaining about the proposed deletion and/or edits to the contents that I added. Thunderbird2013 (talk) 13:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

IPA font support
Hi. Perhaps my fonts are out of date. Could you set ⟨t̬͜ꞎʚ͋̍ʨ̼̻̚˧˥˨꜒꜕꜔⟩ into Arial, TNR and Noto Sans, and send me a screenshot? I just tried Noto Sans again, and it failed. — kwami (talk) 23:10, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Typeface dates
Thanks for your edits. In my experience it's totally pointless to give specific dates for a lot of typefaces in the metal type era. Sources are astonishingly inconsistent about exact release dates. I've seen both 1922 and 1923 for Monotype Garamond, and both 1958 and 1961 for Simoncini Garamond. My feeling is people have been bamboozled by the fact that metal types had long design timeframes-it could be a very long time between the making of the drawings and the issuing of the type or the publication of the glossy specimen. It isn't worth having them in the headings. Blythwood (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi Blythwood, I think it is at least somewhat more logical to sort the revivals by chronological order.
 * Currently the subsections are sorted neither by chronological nor alphabetic order. All we need to do is to move Adobe Garamond and Garamond Premier after Berthold Garamond, really.
 * I don't have strong opinion on whether the exact dates are included. Thunderbird2013 (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fine with me! Blythwood (talk) 21:50, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Just seen your edits to Plantin. It is known that Plantin didn't have the complete Granjon type-his inventories of what types he had still survive and it's not on the list. Explained in Vervliet Palaeotypography, page 226. It probably arrived there in the 1730s. Again, this is why it's so valuable to read the most serious sources.
 * With "inspired", what Tracy and Moran felt was that Monotype were interested by the release of this typeface called "Plantin", and it may have prompted them to research the types in the Plantin-Moretus Museum. It seems like a huge coincidence that two types named "Plantin" suddenly came out in quick succession. Blythwood (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks.
 * I found it confusing that the writing (before my first edit today) seemed to imply that the design of Plantin was inspired by Shanks' "Plantin Old Style", but free feel to change my new wording.
 * The intention of my edits today was mostly to reorganise the section so that it reads better (also to distinguish Christophe Plantin and Plantin the typeface). Thunderbird2013 (talk) 19:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Great! I've rewritten it to clarify and I hope tightened up the sourcing positions. Blythwood (talk) 16:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

"Optical" sizes
One for your "to do" / "watch out for" list.

It would be good to add a line that gives the etymology of the word "optical" in the context of fonts. If you happen upon a source in your reading. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Helvetica World
Hi, thanks for the comment! I agree with you on balance, looking on MyFonts Helvetica World seems more likely to be based on Helvetica than Neue Helvetica looking at the shape of the 'R' and the obliques especially. (Can't remember if I put it there, but the idea could have been to put it in chronological order-I don't have a release date for Helvetica World but MyFonts says "about the turn of the millennium"; Gornitsky says 2002 but I can't confirm this.) Unfortunately, there's little coverage of the language variants known to me besides Helena Lekka's thesis, which covers Greek a bit. Blythwood (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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