User talk:Thuringowacityrep/Archive 1

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 * There is a discussion on this subject at Talk:Townsville, Queensland WikiTownsvillian

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Thank you WikiTownsvillian 13:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Thuringowacityrep, thanks for the interesting edits today, I'd still be interested in your sources, looks like good info. I've been having a bit of a look round the city council websites for more info myself. Glad you didn’t give up, keep up the good work, you’ll have Thuringowa, Queensland up to scratch in no time. WikiTownsvillian 12:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks mate i was having a bad day when i said i would give up .... but i got a email the other day and it was full of good info about both Townsville and thuringowa plus i got a letter in the post today full of facts and history about both cities so i will go thought it all and fill in the gaps soon the big thing i want to get correct is when Thuringowa got its name i have info saying as early as 1819 but i will need to find out more about this ...if you see anything in your travels would you let me know please.....all my sources will be added in a area at the bottom of the article as soon as i have put in all my info thanks again


 * Hi Thuringowacityrep, glad you're having a good day today then, when working on a project to significantly update a article people seem to use the talk section of a article to get the wording right and then copy it over to the main article when it's completed and been there for a few days, eg. Talk:Cairns, Queensland


 * Also this is what I've been using for referencing (you'll need to copy these from the edit section):


 * Then at the end of the article insert:

References on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! -- Longhair\talk 03:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

thanks mate (Thuringowacityrep 06:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

Marfans Syndrome
thats better than what i wrote ...thanks mate looks good —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thuringowacityrep (talk • contribs) 11:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Thank you for highlighting that pneumothorax was missing on Marfan syndrome. Snowman 11:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

User page
It would be good if you wrote a little about yourself on your user page. It is not a home page, but it belongs to the wiki as general information. Perhaps, take an interest in the layout of others' users pages before starting your own. Snowman 11:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

will do mate thats a good idea i'll get on to it soon (Thuringowacityrep 11:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC))

Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine
Wise, not to put too many personal details on your user page. I note your interest in health; if you would like to see the Marfan's page developed further, you might like to vote for it on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Collaboration of the Week page. You do not have to be member of the project to vote. Snowman 12:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

List of cities by population
The facts are correct, you are just picking the wrong figures from an innapropriate source. You can't add the LGA populations to an Urban Centres list because they are not comparable, they are two different things. - Aucitypops

ok mate it's cool i will add more to be last part of the page later ....it all good no probs Thuringowacityrep 04:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Should work now - I screwed up the upload process at first and fixed it about 5 mins ago, but anyone who tried before then would have got an error. Apologies. Orderinchaos78 12:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

electoral districts
Thuringowacityrep, I agree to your proposal except with one slight difference, we will leave the way I wrote it for a week and if no one has a prob with it (other than you) it will be left that way, if my edit is contriversial then no end of Wikipedians will jump on it as they have in changing your edits. I have already made clear that I'm very happy to listen to view points other than yours (which has already been very clearly articulated) about my writing. WikiTownsvillian 11:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

if you go back and look at the history QazPlm wrote the article and yes if we leave it like it is now not many people will say it needs changing due to the fact that (as has been said) Not a lot of people know of Thuringowa and wont know that it is incorrect,like i have said this page has nothing to do with Townsville so why should it be in here (like you said when i put Thuringowa in the Townsville page) every website says Thuringowa or Townsville not Thuringowa/Townsville don't think i will give up, remember you are the new user and i have been here over 3 years and i never had a prob with anyone like i am having with you. i must say smart idea to say leave it like it is now but this is bias, it has been that way for some time so put it how i have said and see what goes on if it gets changed then fine i will forget it and leave it incorrect and misleading to make you happy but if nobody changes it then my way (the way the books and website have it) must be ok ....dont you think.... Thuringowacityrep 11:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Please be civil
Hi. I've been away for a few weeks and am just catching up on recent edits to the Townsville and Thuringowa related articles. I've noticed a few of your recent edits to talk pages (such as and ) which might be read as personal attacks. Please be patient with new editors and remain civil when resolving diferences of opinion. Cheers. -- Adz|talk 13:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Sock puppetry
Hi Thuringowacityrep, your attempt at Sock puppetry at is pretty obvious. Please read Sock puppetry. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 13:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * can someone tell me why it iam being told that i am now attempting Sock puppetry this site is going to the pack and all because of one new user that started all this, i have been more than fair with this user but it seem that everything i do he changes i have the facts and i ref the facts be he always see to it that my edits are rev back to his misleading or incorrect POV and i have had it ..... Thuringowacityrep 00:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi.
 * There was an edit last night by a new user which I thought was along the same lines as some of the Townsville/Thuringowa edits that you had been making. I thought the username was similar to your in that it displayed an affinity with Townsville/Thuringowa. Not wanting to jump to conclusions, I asked Rebecca to look into it. To specifically answer your question about why you’re being told that you’re attempting sock puppetry, perhaps you should address that question to WikiTownsvillian or Rebecca.
 * Don’t let a debate over once city lead you to the conclusion that “this site is going to the pack”. Wikipedia is a big place with over 1.5 million articles. Sure, there will be disagreements occasionally but there are ways of dealing with them. Take a look at the page on staying cool. Try to talk through the issue on talk pages and avoid making threats and personal attacks. See if you can find common ground. Have a look at the dispute resolution page.
 * I’ve only vaguely caught up with the Townsville/Thuringowa debate, and am reluctant to weigh in as I think it would take up a lot of my time, however it might be worth seeking opinions from others, such as the WP:AWNB, or seeking a Request for comment. Finally, assuming good faith helps keep things civil. Cheers.
 * -- Adz|talk 05:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

''so if a new user joins and makes a edit that looks a bit like mine them it must be me...it that what it is like here now? if i ask WikiTownsvillian i know what he would say so i'm not even going there but i will ask Rebecca but i thought POV were something that Wiki didn't like. thanks for you advice i have tried to stay cool but evey time i change something along comes WikiTownsvillian and changes it back he has taken it to far now but thanks Thuringowacityrep 06:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)''


 * Hi. Note that I said I didn't want to jump to conclusions. I didn't say that the new user was a sock puppet, nor did I ever accuse you of employing sock puppetry. I simply said that the edit was suspicious and I asked for it to be checked out. I try give people the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith, and I think its fair to have things checked out before comingto conclusions. Rebecca is an admin, and before I went on wiki break, admins were able to check IP numbers, which is why I asked her to look into it. -- Adz|talk 09:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

why don't you take out the suburbs of Thuringowa from the Townsville page seeing as this page it all about Townsville, that would have been a better idea but i will leave it up to you because you know better than me i've only been on here for 3 years and i need help for all the new users on here (and no this is NOT a personal attack) Thuringowacityrep 12:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

That's funny Thuringowacityrep, I thought Townsvillerocks wasn't you... so why do you care? WikiTownsvillian 13:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

i care because they make a good point and your the one that keeps going on about the townsville page but yet you add the suburbs of Thuringowa to it maybe i should go on to the Thuringowa page and edit it to show the pop as 160000 and list all the schools of Townsville and add all the shops from Townsville to it as well and that way it will be as misleading as the Townsville page is. i just hope that if any one else makes a change to the page you don't go on at them like you have with me .... Thuringowacityrep 23:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thuringowacityrep, you have initiated a formal arbitration process therefore I will not engage discussion with you any longer outside of that process. WikiTownsvillian 23:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

thats great, peace at last...i just hope when i make any edits you can leave them alone nad let some other people make up there mind.


 * No... I will only not be engaging you in discussion, I stand by my edits and will continue to revert your vandalism until I am asked not to by Wikipedians other than yourself. Everything that can be said has been said already and both of us completely feel we are in the right, we have also already tried compromising unsuccessfully, so your suggestion of arbitration is probably for the best.  But until that process is concluded and I am told that I should be doing something different to what I am, I will continue as is. WikiTownsvillian 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

that what i thought you would say and how dare you call my edits vandalism that is a personal attack and your POV, and i will continue as is as well hope you dont mind Thuringowacityrep 00:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Re Thuringowa - Beaches
Hi - the article's starting to look quite good. My only suggestion regarding the beaches bit is to get rid of "amazing" and "perfect", and find another way to say it that means that but is factual. For example an amazing beach might be amazing why - it's very scenic? it is surrounded by rainforest? it's a good swimming beach because it has a pool? I don't live there so I couldn't say why (which in itself highlights the problem of using a word such as "amazing" - living in Perth I have my own ideas about amazing beaches`), but one of the Wikipedia principles is "let the facts speak for themselves" and it's quite likely that something can be said which *communicates* that it is amazing without resorting to imprecise terms which mean different things to different people. Also, perfect implies 100%, which as we all know is never true no matter where it is applied as nothing is ever genuinely perfect. That's the only suggestions I would make. References: Avoid peacock terms.

Where I'm going with this btw - I think this article has potential to become a good article at some point in the future. It is relatively complete in terms of content, but needs some work with sourcing and wording (and possibly reordering some of the sections to improve the flow). The process I would suggest is:


 * 1) Fix any minor or easy issues (such as above)
 * 2) I'll go through it one final time and offer my suggestions (without changing anything). There'll probably be quite a few.
 * 3) After this is done we can ask a couple of neutral editors to do the same. There's a few who are very good and have experience in getting articles to Featured status (the highest status on Wikipedia) and I'd like to hear their thoughts. While we don't commit ourselves to do everything they say, we couldn't do worse than to hear it and see if it can improve the article.
 * 4) Once we've addressed any issues or suggestions they have, submit it for assessment at WikiProject Australia. I'm almost certain it will come back as B-class (the one immediately below good article) with comments which we then have to address (this is slightly more imperative than the previous stage)
 * 5) After this, submit it to Good Article assessment. It may fail the first time - in which case the issues need to be addressed and the article resubmitted.

If we get it there, it may not be too far a jump to featured article, which appears on the main page and is something of an elite club on Wikipedia which only 39 Australian articles belong to at present. Orderinchaos78 02:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

hi mate thanks for your comments i did have some of the best beaches in Queensland but i got that form a mouthly mag that Thuringowa city sends out and i was unable to city this so i done a search of my computer to see what other info i had that i could cite and this was all i could find but i will keep looking or i will add more info to explain why these beaches are amazing and i will look at the perfect to see what else i can use.....i also intend to add a lot more to this page but im am waiting on some more info so that i can cite what i add. you are more than welcome to offer my suggestions and change anything you feel need to be i have never had a problem with anything you have done all your edits were great, i would love to see this page appear on the main page my whole aim on here is to list and update with true facts as i feel i have done (thought some users don't think i have) thanks heaps for your input Thuringowacityrep 02:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Thuringowacityrep, I'd like to add my thanks for a bloody good edit last night, it's exactly the kind of stuff I've been hoping you would focus on. I sincerely do not have any problem with Thuringowa and would also love to see the article gain Feature status.


 * If you are worried about my interference in your work here please don't be. I will not revert any of your edits which are positive contributions, especially on the City of Thuringowa article.  Anyway I just wanted to thank you for the good edit.  WikiTownsvillian 03:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

thank you for your support i must say i was a little worried ...sorry... but im very glad that you like what i have done, i have a lot more to do but i will get there slowly. thanks again for your supporting words Thuringowacityrep 04:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)