User talk:Thursdaynext007

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Help Request
I realize I'm somewhat new to this, but I was surprised all my "changes" had disappeared from the article. I'm sure not everyone would consider them improvements, but a few were simple clarifications, or corrections. I came back to add further elaborations on the citation for Marx's Martians article: www.kfki.hu/~tudtor/tudos1/martians.html titled the Martians Vision of the Future. I was also going to add the journal citation for the Gymnasium article, but as it has disappeared also, that seems rather pointless. Do let me know on the editing page of "the martians" if any of my changes met with particular objections. I am surprised you chose to persist in including misquotes and incorrect attributions.Thursdaynext007 (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC) I am also a bit confused about the signing issue, which the page to which you referred me did not entirely clear up. If I change the text in an edit it seems logical that I should sign where I made the change, is that not so?Thursdaynext007 (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Lastly (I hope) is there a way for me to go back to my "show preview" page, or to save it on my computer?Thursdaynext007 (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Is there a particular reason that the preview does not reflect this typed text?Thursdaynext007 (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)or did I edit a different page on the same subject?Thursdaynext007 (talk) 04:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there! I'll try to answer all your questions. Firstly, I've 'fixed' up this page a little. I've split it into sections using == Title == . Also, when you start a new line with a space, it looks like this;

Sample of a space at the start of the line this is an example etc
 * So I removed the 'leading space' so it was easier to read your question.
 * I'll answer the rest below, in a few minutes.
 *  Chzz  ►  04:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * (Edit Conflict) Never sign in articles. Not ever. You only sign posts to talk pages. This is made very clear at Signatures. Of course you don't sign in articles. They are what the public sees. Why would a member of the public want or get any use out of seeing your signature in an article text? If each time a person signed their changes, every article would be filled with literally thousands of signatures; you wouldn't even be able to see the text of the article there'd be so many. That is probably why you were reverted—I would have reverted those edits because of the signatures if nothing else. Imagine, you come to an article on some subject—Winston Churchhll, for example—and you see some sober, well-written, referenced information about him, followed by some random user's signature? Why does this need to be explained at all? All your contributions are in the page history. You can retrieve everything you did and you can see there every single edit to the article since the first, who made them, and when.--70.19.64.161 (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

(and another edit conflict!)


 * Edits being removed - Firstly, don't worry. nothing is deleted, it's all there in the article history. If you make an edit, and someone else changes it, then the right thing to do is to discuss it on the articles discussion page - also called the 'talk page'. You could also put a quick note on the talk page of the person who changed it back, asking them to join the discussion on the articles talk page. I'm suggesting talking on the articles page, because that way other people might make comments - and that's how we can reach a consensus.


 * Signing - every time you edit a talk page, you should end with the four tildes, ~ . You don't 'sign' like this on an article. The reasons is, a) nobody owns the article - one you save your text, you give it away under the GFDL licence, and b) many articles are edited hundreds or thousands of times; signatures everywhere would make them unreadable. Remember that the 'history' of the article will show you exactly who changed what, and when, forever.


 * Regarding 'show preview' - the best solution is to make a copy of the article in your own user area, fiddle with it there, and then put your changes back once you are happy with them. To do that;
 * Go to the article, edit it, select all, and 'copy'.
 * Create a page in your user space, such as User:Thursdaynext007/temp. Paste in the article. Save it.
 * Then, work on the article in your user space until you're happy with it - then copy and paste the bits back to the 'live' article.


 * Re. 'preview not showing typed text' - I think that was because of the leading space thing that I mentioned earlier?


 * I hope this helps to clear up a few things for you. Do experiment in your user area, and please do ask for more help whenever you need to - either with another template, or you could talk to us live.


 * Best of luck,  Chzz  ►  05:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)