User talk:Tiamut/Archive 6

Israel as a democracy
Created a talk discussion for it.

--WanderSage (talk) 13:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

We need your help
You might have heard of the movie In Fair Palestine: A story of Romeo and Juliet that was released this Januray in Ramallah Cultural Palace, well were trying to starta a Wikipedia page so people could know more about the project but it was put up for deletion 15 minuets after we put it up, we didn't even have a chance to finish it. Everyone is arguing that we have no credible source that we are a movie and that we deserve a wikipedia page, although some arabic newspapers (Al-Quds, Al-Ayam, Al-Hayat Jordan) have written about us. We gave them our website but they wont respond to that. So could you please credit our movie if you have seen it? Or at least as someone who has seen it to credit us. Were just a group of teenagers in Ramallah who made this movie to help show the world that we are normal.

Thanks for any effort in advance. --jo (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

We would love to have a viewing in Nazareth, if you could have it all setup we can send you a copy of the movie. Some of the Arabic newspapers that wrote are: Al-Watan Syria Al-Quds Palestine Dar Al-Haya Jordan Al-Aayam also wrote a story but i couldn't find it.--jo (talk) 18:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Identity
Tiamut, greetings. Thought you'd be personally and Wikipedially interested in an article, in the latest issue of Journal of the American Academy of Religion, entitled: "For Church or Nation? Islamism, Secular Nationalism, and the Transformation of Christian Identities in Palestine. Author also has a new book out; see the bibliography. Enjoy. Hope this finds you well. Take care, HG | Talk 02:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Indur
Thanks for answering my request for the Indur article! --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Your note
Thank you. Regarding your question, it's all in the wrist action. ;-) Jayjg (talk) 03:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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Returning your call
Thanks for your note. The quote, and the information, can also be found in Uri Davis's book Israel:An Apartheid State. Probably in his more recent Apartheid Israel, too, though I haven't yet read that. I'm surprised you do not know this text; if you want to discuss it and related issues further, contact me by email. RolandR (talk) 22:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC) And by the way, of course Jaakobou isn't reading his own edits; he even reverted a spelling correction I made! RolandR (talk) 23:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Surely you could get the books from Uri himself. After all, he lives in Sakhnin, which is less than an hour away from Nazareth, and with no checkpoints in the way. RolandR (talk) 12:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know that I have sent you an email about this -- do you check your wiki email? RolandR (talk) 18:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yousef?
On your User Page, you write that "there are still carpenters in Nazareth just like in Yousef)'s days". This has a superfluous bracket; it also wikilinks to Joseph (Hebrew Bible). I think you probably mean to link to Saint Joseph, but I don't want to edit your page. It's a pity you can't link to a real sound file! RolandR (talk) 16:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Your question re: Basic Laws & CIC
I don't believe those edits were a violation of my topic restrictions - the CIC edit you highlighted relates to antisemitic comments uttered by CIC's executives, but has nothing to do with the I-P conflict. The same goes for the Basic Law edit - it is related to Israel, and it's basic laws, but not to the I-P conflict. If you feel strongly about the latter, feel free to undo it, and I will discuss with Fayysal and/or Avi. Isarig (talk) 23:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have done the same with Fayysal. Isarig (talk) 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Editor Who Makes Mass Deletions
I've noticed you also have had problems with an editor who makes mass deletions of stuff he just doesn't like and then when you complain about it on his help page, deletes complaint as trolling. He let one of my complaints stand, but deleted the second one as trolling. I have a feeling he's done it a number of times so his talk page doesn't fill up with these complaints.

Talk:Samson_Option details my complaints ad nauseum; my last entry sums up problem.

He's obviously doing it for POV reasons of protecting his favorite nation state. He might even be up to CANVASS. Of course, I'm not experienced enough to know if this entry itself is an example of Wikipedia:CANVASS or WIKI: Gossip, if there is such a thing :-) Anyway, it is very frustrating.  I don't know if there's any wiki legal joint action people can take under dispute resolution. But just thought I'd share concern! Carol Moore 16:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)User:Carolmooredc User talk:Carolmooredc

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Second Intifada
I left a message on Tewfik's talk page asking him to participate at Talk:Second Intifada. --Timeshifter (talk) 19:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Benny Morris
Is Morris considered a reliable source? I thought he was considered pretty controversial. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  03:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Fatah al-Islam
Your question surprised me and had me wondering there for a minute as I looked at the article's history. Then I remembered that I started the article as Fatah Islam (a current redirect page; look into this article's history) on apparently the same day as George created the Fatah al-Islam one. The article I made was basically a brief description of the group and I guess it was merged or users decided the 'al' part was necessary and so they just redirected it. I was never too involved in the article anyway (too many users editing because it was a controversial and recent phenomenon at the time.) I hope this has clarified the situation. Happy Eid! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Tawfiq Canaan GA on hold
Just letting you know that I have placed Tawfiq Canaan on hold for the article's GA nomination. It is very good, but please see the talk page for a few issues that should be addressed. Thanks, Happyme22 (talk) 00:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It passed. Congrats! Happyme22 (talk) 04:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

We have been paid a GREAT compliment!
I was reading this web-site: (click on the " Palestinian Costume" link at the top), when suddenly the following sentence sounded strangely familiar: "Woman in Bethlehem. Note her sha'weh headdress and her short taqsireh jacket; both typical of the Bethlehem-area" ...It sounded familiar because I added that sentence to the Palestinian costumes article on the 10 Sept.!. And I can assure you that I did not copy that sentence from anyone! Further reading shows me that that web-page is largely a pure copy of the Palestinian costumes article.. mostly your work.. . Well, they say that plagiarising is the greatest compliment, so feel flattered! I don´t mind, but it sure looks strange when they have copied the text of a picture...and not the picture! And if there had been a "Plagiarised Barnstar" (given to those whose work has been copied outside Wikipedia.... without acknowledgement...) then I think we would have deserved one! Take care, Huldra (talk) 08:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Palestinians
You can't take satire, it is obvious I wasn't serious, that honestly made me laugh after reading it again--Java7837 (talk) 12:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Spare me Java. After this comment by you on my talk in July, I cautioned you against mocking and misrepresenting people's religions, or jumping to conclusions based on your misconceptions of their beliefs. If what you wrote at the Template talk:Palestinian ethnicity was innocently satirical, I find it very hard to believe. Please stop with the bad-mouthing. It creates a bad atmosphere.  T i a m u t  15:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

familiarity with the subject
if you are not familiar with the subject, please do not blindly revert back false information.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am deeply familiar with the subject and your edits at October 2000 events insert irrelevant information in an undue fashion.  T i a m u t  17:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * it would seem otherwise considering you insist on pushing misinformed articles even tho new information is at hand. i suggest you give a look at WP:NPOV and stop doing this before it goes to some form of conduct mediation.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  11:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

CfD: Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues
Hi. please help! The category Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict issues has been nominated for deletion. this is a category which is meant to be simply a conveneient non-partisan gathering-place for all entries which are general overviews of various issues, as opposed to being related to a specific event or location.

The discussion is located at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 December 21. This category is beneficial to all of us who habitually edit these articles, regardless of whether we may be more affiliated with Israeli concerns or Palestinian concerns. The category's deletion is being advocated by editors who rarely edit any articles on this topic, and have little involvement in this topic at Wikipedia.

Your help would be greatly appreciated. please go to this category's discussion entry, and express your opinion. Hopefully, you will be willing to advocate keeping this category. thanks for your help. Thanks, Sm8900 --207.10.186.39 (talk) 14:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Yasser Arafat
Hi, the answer to your request on Arafat saying "hour of destiny". The quote comes from his biography by Said K. Aburish. The passage says, Finally on 20 January, an opportunity for retaliation presented itself. A combined Palestinian-Lebanese National Movement force attacked the Christian stronghold of Damour south of Beirut and occupied it. The victors looted, raped and murdered hundreds of innocent people and ex-president Camille Chamoun, a staunch opponent of the Palestinian presence in his country and a resident of Damour, had to be rescued by helicopter. Whatever the previous Christian atrocities - of which there were many, mostly against civilians - the behavior of t he Palestinian fighters earned them dishonor. Arafat forever speaking of an hour of destiny" did nothing to control his fighters. Page 153. Arafat, From Defender to Dictator --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thats fine, I just want the article to remain of high quality which you are clearly striving do and have increased since you started editing it. As for Chomsky's citation, I think it differs slightly from Aburish's book, in which he states, "...Phalangist gunmen ambushed a bus carrying Palestinian trainees and murdered 26 of them..." I don't think its that big of a deal, but the major difference is whether they killed civilians or beginner fighters. I would really appreciate your feedback on that. I also hid the "Israelis believe" sentence until I could find a source. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

On another note, I would like to say Kudos on your work to bringing Tawfiq Canaan to GA status. It looks like a fine article thats only missing a couple of images. Since he lived over 50 years ago, many Arab licenses should cover for any image that is used by Wiki. I'll try to find one or two ASAP. Happy Eid and Merry Christmas! --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, getting too far into other subjects was actually one of the primary factors of opposition in the first FAC review. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

article discusion
Hi., Have you seen this little colloquy? article talk page Let me know what you think. Please feel free to comment, if you want, at that page, or my talk page, or anywhere. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Resurrection of Collaboration
A while back, Timeshifter and I were having a discussion on the effectiveness of the WikiProject, where I thought the Project was virtually dead for several months. The project is doing much better now as more users especially yourself have been creating new articles and improving and expanding other ones. I also took note of your success in bringing Tawfiq Canaan to GA status and that sort of encouraged me to attempt the same for Palestinian cuisine (it failed its nomination but has since improved and a history section will be added soon). This gave me an idea. We should revive the Collaboration of the Week segment of the Project. It might take more than a week to make an article a good article but it could do wonders for Palestine-related articles on wikipedia. What do you think? I ask you first because you've been on a role these past few months and therefore a key member of the Project. I'm going to ask other users to help out as well. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Great! I'm going to also try to get other project members to also partake. I hope you enjoy your Christmas break. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

massacres durant la période 1920-48
Parfait. Tu parles français. Je te prierai donc de respecter la neutralité de point de vue. J'ai fait des demandes de références, en particulier concernant Tantura. Je te prierai d'enlever cela puisque nous savons l'un et l'autre que tu ne pourras pas le sourcer. Enfin, merci de ne pas me reverter pour entrer dans un conflit mais de veiller à sourcer tes propos. Wikipédia n'est pas une tribune politique. Ceedjee (talk) 21:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Il n'y a aucun risque que je confonde les 2. J'ai donc remis le bandeau et je te prie de ne pas le retirer. Ceedjee (talk) 18:19, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

rfm
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note
please go over the Muhammad al-Dura article. i'm getting tired of your disruptive style and if you continue i will be forced to take this to user conduct RfC.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  22:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


 * please don't make idle threats. there is no basis for your ridiculous claims. stop inserting unsourced information into the October 2000 events article that attempts to claim that the 12-year old boy faked his own death. it's disgusting.  T i a m u t  13:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * allow me to correct your statement. you're inserting the text, "televised murder of 12-year-old Muhammad al-Dura", and deleting the (presumably) uncontested text that israel was accused for killing the child.
 * current France 2 libel law suit suggests that it is not at all certain that he was indeed killed, let alone murdered (let alone by israel). from viewing of references in the al-dura article (for example: "Three bullets and a dead child"), it would seem that the boy was killed by palestinian gunmen due to testimonies of the father and images from the coroner. however, from recent trial input regarding the father's alleged lies about his injuries and the problematic footage showing (or should i say "no-showing") it becomes more than reasonable to keep the living status without a conclusive assertion of death even. (1) regardless if you believe the boy to be dead, you cannot remove the input that the crowd was inflamed because israel was accused for killing the boy. (2) despite the longstanding notion that the boy is probably deceased, recent developments demand that we avoid leading the article with weasel terms (such as murder) and stick to the factual parts of the report: i.e. killing status is inconclusive and disputed.
 * to conclude:
 * if you're still confused to my position and/or wish to find consensus with a different version, i'm open for suggestions that stay true to the known and undisputed facts. if you still feel that there is a fact that i'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding, i'm open to the opening of an RfC.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  13:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Greg Felton
Wow!! Thanks so much for the great write-up! I actually feel important. You've done me a great service and hopefully solved the controversy over my page. Please tell me, how did you get involved in this issue? Voxveritatis (talk) 20:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I see you tried to whitewash Felton's views by removing his comments on the Holocaust, Israel's existence, Irwin Cotler and 9/11. I've reinserted them and I will advise you not to remove other people's contributions in order to hide his true views. You quote Felton numerous times throughout your additions, why can't I? Or is it simply because you want to hide his true views on Israel and Jews because he supports Hamas and the Palestinian cause? (Hyperionsteel (talk) 01:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

I realize you are a support of the Palestinian cause, but you should not try to hide the views of those who, in addition to supporting the Palestinians, also hold controversial views on Israel, Jews, and the Holocaust. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

(copied from Hyperionsteel's talk) These comments you left on my talk page are wholly unacceptable. You don't seem to be reading the policy pages I keep referring you to. I removed the information you added because it is from a primary source, Greg Felton's own writing. If you notice, the material I added was from secondary sources (i.e. people writing about Greg Felton's writing). This distinction is very important because using primary sources leads to original research, something that is deeply frowned upon here at Wikipedia. You need to find a source that discusses Felton's writing, rather than selectively quote-mining from his writing and adding your own interpretation.

Also, please read WP:NPA. I am quite tired of your spurious speculations about my intentions here. I edited Felton's article because it was in piss poor shape before I got to it. That's what we do here at Wikipedia, improve articles or add new ones that need to be added. No one else seems to have a problem with my edits. Indeed on the deletion discussion page, people are bemoaning the reinsertion of your original research once again. Try to learn from those around you and stop attacking me just because I ask you to read policies and adhere by them. Tiamut 15:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)  T i a m u t  17:16, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I maintain my belief that you wrong to try to cover up Felton's views on the Holocaust, 9/11 and Jews. This is not acceptable. If you have a problem with this, too bad.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

My work was not original research but rather an exposing of Felton's views. You have conveniently citied source which support his work (as you obviously do) but fail to mention his extremist views. You conducted similar tactics regarding the Canadian Arab Federation. I will not allow you to whitewash the views of an extremist.

And again - I hand you the same challenge. If you feel my citations are incorrect, explain what is wrong. If you feel I have taken Felton's words out of context, please explain what context they will be taken in.

Again, I believe you are wrong to try and whitewash Felton's views. I'm sorry if this offends you, but I am entitled to express my opinion, just as you are.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 21:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

It not hostility, its because you want to hide the truth about Felton
I'll say it again: I believe that you are trying to whitewash Felton's views. I do not believe this is acceptable. It is important to note his opinions on Irwin Cotler, the Holocaust, 9/11 and Jews. Why are you so afraid to have this on his webpage. Are you concerned it might damage his image as a champion of Palestinian rights. In the past, you attempted to whitewash the views and statements of Khaled Mouammar of the Canadian Arab Federation regarding his emailing of an Anti-Semitic flyer to Liberal delegates.

If you think I will allow you to whitewash the views of anti-Semities, holocaust deniers, and 9/11 conspiracy theorists, think again.

And, I repeat myself, I am citing Felton's works as a counterbalance to your depiction of him as a victim of "zionist" oppression. I am only citing specific comments that Felton made, which were posted on other websites (i.e. not his home page), that deal with very important issues. I am not editorializing or using inappropriate language. I'm using Felton's language.

You'll also note I have not deleted any of your work (which all seems to come from one article in a far-left journal).

As for your posting this crap on my talkpage, I would appreciate it if you didn't. I'm not interested in your excuses as to why Felton's views should be concealed.

As for your claim the article was in "piss poor" shape, I'll remind you that it adequetly and completely showed Felton's views on a number of important topics.

And by the way, It seems the only people who "bemoan" my contributions are people like you, who want to conceal his views on the Holocaust, Irwin Cotler, 9/11 and Jews simply because he is a master polemist who supports the abolition of Israel.

And again, if you think I'm going to let you conceal Felton's views on the aforementioned issues, your incorrect.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC))


 * Again, you don't seem to understand Wikipedia policies on WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and WP:OR. I encourage you to read them once again. I also encourage you to re-read WP:NPA and a new one WP:AGF. Your comments to me are invariably littered with all kinds of inappropriate, speculatory comments regarding my intentions. It would be nice if you could stop doing that, as I have asked you before. I am giving you one final warning ... the next time you fail to heed this advice, I will report you for disruptive editing and incivility at WP:ANI. Please consider this not a threat, but a plea to focus on writing an encyclopedia, rather than carrying out imaginary battles of good and evil that have nothing to do with that task. Thanks.  T i a m u t  17:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

My response
Explain to me what rule I'm violating. The only quotes I make from Felton are from articles he wrote for other sources (i.e. the Media Monitors Network, Canadian Arab News etc.). I have take his words in context and presented them without editorializing or drawing conclusion. These are important topics which need to be addressed. Basing his entire character on one article from a far-left journal is, in my view, not sufficient. Looking at Wikipedia policies, you will note that I do not violate rules regarding accuracy, sources, editorializing, libelous accusations, etc. Simply quoting from articles Felton has written for other websites is not original research (unless of course I used them to draw conclusions, which I don't).

The problem is not few, if any, credible third parties (most comments seem to come from blogs) have commented on the articles I have referenced in my contributions. However, I believe very strongly that Felton's views on the aforementioned issues must be included. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC))

Felton article
It appears that the Felton article has been deleted. For what its worth, I'm glad. I was tired of fighting over it anyway.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC))

Response from Hyperionsteel
We clearly both hold strong views on controversial issues which cannot be easily resolved (and unfortunately, are unlikely to be resolved in the near future). However, your right that we should try to be civil toward each other. Even people who strongly disagree with each other can still show each other respect. I'll try to remember that in the future. (Hyperionsteel (talk) 06:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC))

edits to article
Hi. I may not necessarily always agree with all of your stance, at Talk:Palestinian people page, but I did want to just say that I do appreciate your responsible approach to this issue, and the fact that I find almost all your edits to be free of hyperbole or any extreme rhetoric at all. i think that edits by responsible editors like you prove we ought to find at least some compromise on these issues, not treat them as completely mutually exclusive viewpoints. so thanks for all your input. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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WP:ANI thread
Surely you should know that new threads go at the bottom, not the top. --  tariq abjotu  18:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tiamut for your support of the compromise at Palestinian people. I can only imagine how maddening this discussion must have been for you, and for the record I have real misgivings about having even responded to posts on my talk page about you as an editor. As you know, I agree with you that there's no reliably sourced opposition to the fact of Palestinian nationhood, so the NPOV argument against including it in the lede was very weak. What swayed me to accepting "a people" was PētersV's (and to some extent IronDuke's) arguments that however crisply the term "nation" may be defined and used by scholars and historians, its colloquial use as a synonym for state create a potential cloud around its use in the lede. I think the section lower down on Palestinian nationhood could be bolstered with work by Khalidi, Rosemary Sayigh and others. Hopefully you and I can work on that together; the historical process of Palestinian nation-formation is (or should be) one of the most interesting dimensions of this article.--G-Dett (talk) 18:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration
Please see the above link as I have requested arbitration for a dispute that you are involved in. Feel free to contribute there. Regards,  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  17:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

arbitration
Hi. i noticed your comments at the arbitration case request, with your usual thoughtfulness and insight. i have one thing to add; this arbcom case will probably accomplish nothing. it is good that you are familiar with the past events at the apartheid article. most people who make successful requests to arbcom do so over just one or two instances of user misconduct or disruptive editing, which usually allows for some positive resolution to the dispute. there is no way for arbcom to deal with 100 instances of cross-allegations. that is not its function. it is designed to deal with specific incidents, not a whole range of ambiguous conducts by a variety of users on two sides of an issue who deal with each other frequently and regularly. so I'm sorry to say it, but this simply not what this process is designed for.

that's why i keep saying that this process ought to be focused on inidivudal articles, one at a time. that's a way to seek a resolution. when it's set up the way it is now, the only result can be that everyone throws in allegation from a wide variety of disparate articles at once. This has little chance of reaching a truly constructive resolution. I appreciate all of your thoughts and insight. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 22:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal
A case has opened in the WP:Mediation Cabal and a user has listed you as an involved party, related to edits/comments at Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The case is located at Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-01-09 Israeli-Palestinian conflict‎, please feel free to comment on the article talk page. Thank you. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 23:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * PS. I felt like it was time to open a mediation case, since in spite of all the contention, dissent and new proceedings curently going on, as well as edit-protections on several entries, there are actually very few active mediation efforts for any articles right now. so this is a step in hopefully a right direction. by the way, did you know that a single MedCab case can cover a few articles at once? so this seems like possibly an appropriate way to go. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 23:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 22:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

List of massacres - prior 48
Kachol answered you. I answered him. Next step is your own answer. rgds, Ceedjee (talk) 08:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

ArbCom I-P
Hi Tiamut. Yes, I hope we do have a good relationship. Didn't mean to offend you (or any of the other editors, for that matter). I'm wondering what revisions you might like to see in my submission, while at the same time allowing me to provide evidence of what I would consider tag team editing. Sound like you would like me to acknowledge your explanation of the incident. I don't mind doing so, but the presumably I'd have to include explanations from each of the 7 parties I've named. Well, I'm open to this. Would you like to give me one diff to cite, maybe the one you put on my Talk? Thanks. Be well, HG | Talk 13:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * For now, I've deleted edit "warring" in my wording. I'm inclined to keep the term "combative" or something like it ("aggressive"?), though I certainly wouldn't want to unduly single you out on that score. Thanks. HG | Talk 14:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Some further comments at my Talk and ArbCom/evidence. Hope I've been responsive. Be well, HG | Talk 20:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, you trying to pick on me?! "HG your formulation ignores that all of the scholars cited here refer to ancient origins- thus "most" in place of "some" - i;ve made other changes per sources cited" I believe that's Durova's formulation. But better not to personalize the editing discussion anyway, ok? HG | Talk 05:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Renamed user
I deleted that user page since the user requested it and claimed they wanted to vanish. According to discussion on the OTRS mailing list, Fayssal had said this has been discussed with ArbCom. I assumed from that the case wouldn't be continuing. If it is, and the page is needed, someone from the arbcom can undelete it. Angela. 01:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian Fedayeen
Marhaba Tiamut! I was taking a look at the Palestinian Fedayeen article and I'd just like to say great job expanding it and keeping it balanced. I think some more expansion, better prose and grammatical fixes, it could have potential for being a good article. Thats why I would like to suggest to you, that you should nominate it for Collaboration of the Week. There was barely any participation in editing Bethlehem (I saw you made some edits) but it won't hurt, I'll certainly take part. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure of course! I supported it in the voting section (or whatever you would like to call it) and I've been working a little on the article too; I added to the lead (still more to come), and made some mnor edits like fixing the spellings and little bit of grammar, wikilinking, merging small passages together and removing white spaces. I'm going to post somewhat of a to-do list on the article's talk page for suggestions. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In quiet moments
First, congratulations for the Barnstar(s). Mabrouk. I spent the day touring Wiki and have some peace and quiet; as always happens though, I run into things that, well, make me 'errr' to myself, even when I'm looking for an 'ahhh'. I'll fix three Abraham, Ebrahim and Ibrahim with a plan to show significance and commonality, when I get to it. Anyway I ran across where I could add some knowledge (and did, see my last BTW) but it needs someone with more expertise. I thought you might add some to the 'Christian practices', etc). Also thought you might use your gender eye; I note that name changes related to marriage are not included. Inshallah, there will be quiet moments.  CasualObserver&#39;48 (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

article discussion
Hi. i replied to you at Palestinian right of return. Would be interested to hear your reply and thoughts. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Whoops
I accidentally uploaded a cropped version of your image of a Palestinian costume called "HPIM0799.jpg" on top of the existing, bigger one, could you reupload the old one on top of the new one? Here it is: Funkynusayri (talk) 21:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles
This arbitration has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted. An uninvolved administrator, after issuing a warning, may impose sanctions including blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; bans on any editing related to the topic or its closely related topics; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. The Committee shall convene a working group, composed of experienced Wikipedians in good standing, and task it with developing a comprehensive set of recommendations for resolving the pervasive problem of intractable disputes centered around national, ethnic, and cultural areas of conflict. The group shall be appointed within two weeks from the closure of this case, and shall present its recommendations to the Committee no later than six months from the date of its inception. — Rlevse  •  Talk  • 01:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Right of return - list of massacres
Hi Tiamut, I will have to leave you alone to deal the "Palestinian right of return" but I am sure that your way of edition should succeed in improving the article, if you are not sabotaged in your work. I would need your mind on the article related to the list of massacres of the '48 war. Could you please come and comment there ? Thx. Ceedjee (talk) 11:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

How to get a DYK
Greetings Tiamut! I've recently created an article on the Mosque of Omar (Bethlehem) and would like to nominate it for DYK. You've had a lot of them, so I wanted to ask you how I would do it in as few words as possible :) Shukran ktheer --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hope your hand hasn't been too badly hurt. Be well, HG | Talk 13:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC) I know somebody who had a minor fraction in the elbow. Did you get an x-ray? Amateurly yours, HG | Talk 13:56, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Salamteek. Thank you very much and I hope your hand gets better soon. --Al Ameer son (talk) 15:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

YES! I got it! Its the first one and its picture is featured. Wallah thanks a lot and I hope you get well real soon. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, you inspired me to do a few DYKs for the first time, thanks. Now, back to serious business: Maybe you should reconsider whether your aunt is a reliable source on headresses? Lightheartedly yours, HG | Talk 12:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Your sweet note
Thank you, Tiamut, for your thoughtful, sweet note. I happen to be very fond of your user page as well, and I particularly find the sounds of your city, Nazareth, quite moving. You seem such a warm, passionate and beautiful person, and I'm glad you're here : ) -- M P er el 08:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:Palesinian ethnicity
The reason I moved the template is very simple - it is a single-use template that transcludes another template. The original author created many of these single-use templates without realising that the whole point of Wikipedia templates is that they save time and effort by providing framework within which you only enter relevant information. If you wish to expand the information in the template - you can do so within the relevant article (Palestinian people). As for the history, it wold only make sense to restore it if there was a purpose for the template beyond providing information for one article. If you don't mind I would like to put the template up for speedy deletion again. Green Giant (talk) 16:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but I am very much opposed to such specific templates when a perfectly good generic template is available. You can achieve the same results by just putting Infobox Ethnic group in each of those articles. Even taking in the debate at Talk:Arab citizens of Israel, whatever you guys decide about the issue of the infobox, you can continue to use the current generic infobox. My own opinion is that there is a dangerous undercurrent of sometimes politically-motivated editors on Wikipedia who persistently stretch the rule about no Original Research. When you have people trying to define an ethnicity without genuine scholarly evidence for it, then you have original research and that is what I can see in that debate. Whilst I have the greatest sympathy for the cause of "oppressed people", it is essential for Wikipedia that we maintain a strategic distance from promoting their issues. Green Giant (talk) 16:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I wasn't suggesting that there was an agenda and I apologise if my comments seemed to suggest as much. What we have in that article is an attempt to define Arab Israelis as a separate ethnic group when I would have thought that their ethnic group was quite clearly Arab or perhaps Palestinian Arab at the most, but thats my own opinion and is not the issue here. I have listed a large number of similar templates (based on Infobox Ethnic group) for deletion and although some admins have raised technical objections, nobody has argued in favour of keeping these templates. If I was to agree that the Palestinian template should be restored on the basis that it makes it easier to edit, then a quite legitimate case could be made for restoring the hundreds of similar ethnic group templates. I genuinely believe that the Infobox Ethnic group is better utilised on the article page than in a separate template:
 * In the guidelines at Template namespace it states that "templates duplicate the same content across more than one page" which is clearly not the case with the Palestinian template as it is useful in only one article.
 * The same guideline also states that "templates should not normally be used as a substitute for usual article content" which is what will happen if we allow the template to continue in use i.e. people will want to include normal article content in the template instead of the article itself.
 * In the Manual of Style at Infobox templates it specifically states that "we should aim to minimize the number of different templates they (editors) must be familiar with; creating multiple forks of templates is therefore undesirable" - in my opinion what you are aiming for with the Palestinian template would quite clearly create a template fork.
 * On this basis I hope you can see why I recommend that it would be better for the Palestinian infobox information to be edited at the article itself instead of a separate template. Green Giant (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Please be aware that I will raise no objections at all if the template becomes usable at more than one article. If you wish to keep the data for potential future use, it will almost certainly continue to be available at User:Netscott/Palestinian ethnicity but I would recommend you keep a user-subpage yourself e.g. User:Tiamut/Palestinian ethnicity in case Netscott ever requests deletion of his subpage. If you require any assistance at all, I am more than happy to help. Green Giant (talk) 03:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome :) Green Giant (talk) 03:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the Barnstar
Thank you very much for the reward, I truly lit up when I saw your message. I'm also very proud of our cooperation and collaboration on various Palestine-related articles whether they be depopulated villages or the COTW. Just by looking at the quality and efficiency of your edits for the Palestinian fedayeen article, I know its on the road to Good article status and I hope to be as useful as I can. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for fixing up the lead and Christian minority sections of the Bethlehem article. I think it going to pass! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

question
What are we doing about this one?  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  04:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If I understood well, we agreed (on Palestinian fedayeen) that the "freedom fighters" was probably not the consensus interpretation for the term and only a belief of what they are. I was thinking that we should keep this resolution consistent on the main 'fedayeen' article. Hope that clears the issue.
 * p.s. I think you gave a bit too much room for the 'freedom fighter' version on the Palestinian fedayeen article... we'll discuss it in the more distant future though since it's not a major priority for me.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  18:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You wrote
"but I can't take this point seriously at all" refering to a serious issue I raised. This has nothing to do with your motivation - I do trust your motivation but this has everything to do with an emotional reaction - why else would you say "but I can't take this point seriously at all" ? If this comment bothered you I will strike it but you need to explain why you do not take a fellow editor seriously. Zeq (talk) 17:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I think we can move on. Did I hear somewhere you were sick the last few days ? I hope you feel better. Zeq (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

glad to hear you are doing better. Elbow can be a nasty place to fructure so it is good this sound not so serious. take care. Zeq (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

article edits
Hi. when you have a chance, could you please let me know what you think of any or all of my edits today or recently? I have made a few points in a few different places on different things, and I need some feedback. some comments were somewhat in agreement with some things you have said, while others were sort of in opposition to some comments of yours. please feel free to tell me if you find me to be totally wrong-headed and/or misguided in some places, if such is the case, or to tell me alternatively any place you may feel my efforts or views seemed helpful to you, or some mixture of the two. thanks.

by the way, just to be clear, the palces i refer to are as follows; the talk pages at WP:IPCOLL, at Palestinian people, at Palestinian right of return, and at Israeli-Palestinian conflict. thanks. i appreciate your help with what i realize i may be a slightly unusual request. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 18:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa
My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful, and I'll do what I can to ensure your opinion of my suitability for adminship improves. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 05:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Arabic
Hi Tiamut, could you perhaps check this edit for whatever it might say? For all I know, it could say "death to Israel" or so. It's an anonymous IP edit, in a language most of us don't understand. But I won't revert it just because of that. Thanks. --D. Breslauer (talk) 08:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So we'll remove it. Thanks. It makes sense: the city which should shine, its light should be throughout the world - and now it's broken; the Zionists broke it. Very poetic. Unfortunate that it is so sad. I sent you an email, did you see it? --D. Breslauer (talk) 11:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll copy what I wrote here:

I'm a Hasidic Jew from Jerusalem, member of a chassidic group, which is strongly opposed to Zionism. I try to do some work online to clarify the real position of real Jewry versus the Zionist state.

The fact that I myself came to live in Jerusalem in no way means that I am a Zionist. We believe that everyone should be able to live here - there is plenty of space! Look at the huge empty desert, how can it be that we are fighting over this? Every Jew wants to be in the Holy City, in the Holy Land. But there is no need for anyone to leave - the land is still almost empty. Look just east of Jerusalem, see the huge empty lands between Jerusalem and the Dead Sea - just there you have enough space to house millions, all Palestinian refugees and all peaceful Jews.

As far as we are concerned, the Zionist State of 'Israel' should be disbanded and there should be one democratic state here for all inhabitants. I am affiliated with the Edah HaChareidis (Edah_HaChareidis), which represents real Jerusalem Jewry, the Jews of Meah Shearim and Geulah (and many other neighborhoods and places, by now). The Edah HaChareidis was founded by Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld, see: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/sonnenfeld.cfm for some of the things he wrote, including letters of peace to the Jerusalem Arabs. Also see http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/sonnenfeldhusseinMeeting.cfm documenting Rabbi Zonnenfeld's meeting with King Hussein of Jordan. And see http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/dushinsky.cfm for the writings, from 1947, of the then-Chief Rabbi of the Edah HaChareidis, Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky.

We refuse to recognize the Zionist state, we do not participate in the Zionist elections, we do not accept Zionist blood money for our schools, we do not recognize the Zionist courts.

The Zionists' only goal is to destroy Jerusalem, to create war and bloodshed. Their goals are all of the things which are antithetical to Judaism. And their goal, of course, is to pretend that all (religious) Jews love Zionism - a plain lie.

Unfortunately, our voice - that of real Jerusalem Jewry - is rarely heard, because almost none of us speak English or use the internet. I am one of the few who work to bring out the truth, to show the real story of Jerusalem Jewry, opposed by Zionist terror for many years now. Zionist terror did not begin 59 years ago when the Zionists founded their desoicable state; it began much earlier.

Check, for example, the work that I recently did to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Ha%27atzmaut.

For some more about the Edah HaChareidis, see:
 * http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbinicalcourts/edahharachedis/warning2002.cfm against the 'religious' Zionists
 * http://www.picserver.nl/v/R7Q14P0PHJLU about the elections (original Hebrew)
 * http://www.picserver.nl/v/Y55OWJ9MXY92 about Zionist 'independence' day (original Hebrew) - http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/newsletters/jaz050803.htm partial translation
 * http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/teitelbaum.cfm about the long-time leader of the Edah, the Satmar Rebbe, who from New York held the Presidency of the Edah until his death in 1979

As you see, these declarations (the second and third) are signed by the (then-)President of the Edah HaChareidis, Rabbi Moshe Teitelbaum, Admor (Grand Rabbi, Rebbe) of Satmar. Whenever the Zionists tell you that Satmar is a 'tiny sect', show them these videos: I rarely see Zionist gatherings with that many people. And yes, Zionists have told me "haha, Satmar is a tiny sect of fanatics, you are no more than fifty people". So, as I said, know that I am speaking not on behalf of 50 people, but on behalf of tens of thousands, following in the footsteps of the real Jewish leaders such as Rabbi Yosef Chaim Zonnenfeld, Rabbi Yosef Tzvi Dushinsky, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum and others.
 * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=315640509711733551
 * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4982542403965709581
 * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4157835359297228704
 * http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4905529922904887021

Forgot to note that I myself have been brutally beaten by the Zionist 'police' occupation forces, during a demonstration in Meah Shearim a year ago, protesting against the 'gay parade' in the Holy City. I had done nothing other than shouting phrases such as "JEWS ARE NOT ZIONISTS, ZIONISTS ARE NOT JEWS" and suddenly four 'policemen' came running at me, threw me on the ground, on my face, and started beating me with sticks on my back, my legs, my arms, and with their fists beating me on my head, in my face. I was shouting "I AM INNOCENT, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, LET ME GO" but they kept on beating me for I don't know how long, perhaps half a minute, but it seemed much longer. I had bleeding bruises after that and my glasses were broken. After that I got locked up in a building where the synagogue of the late Rabbi Moshe Halberstam (one of the members of the Rabbinical Court of the Edah HaChareidis) is also located. The Zionists came with riot police and horses and water cannons and tear grenades. I and four others fled into the synagogue, not realizing that this 3-floor building that has only 1 exit, and that single exit was on the street were the police ruled, so we were stuck. We kept the lights off and moved the holy books away from the windows, afraid that the police would ruin the books with their water cannon. Only after two or three hours did we dare to flee from the synagogue, running to safety.

The next day, on Friday (Shabbat) night, in my synagogue (which belongs to the Edah HaChareidis), everybody told me "I heard that you merited last night" ('shamati she-zachita') - meaning, people considered it to be an honor to receive blows from the Zionist police, I was considered as a martyr.

I have never filed a complaint about what happened - there is no sense in that anyway, they will not even look at it. This is a country of brutal oppression, a fascist regime that would murder all of its opponents if it could get away with it.

Note that I removed some details identifying myself further - see your email for that. --D. Breslauer (talk) 13:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The reason for our opposition to the gay parade is that we consider Jerusalem to be the holy city, which should be protected from secularism. (However, our opposition to Zionism is not related to Zionism/the State being secular! We oppose Religious Zionism even stronger than regular secular Zionism.) Many of the Yerushalmi Jews came here (long) before the state was founded; I know people (Ashkenazi Jews) who live here for 10 generations already, who remember life in the Old City.
 * We see it like this: once upon a time, Jerusalem was a holy city. Everyone in Jerusalem - Jewish, Muslim or Christian - respected its holiness, and acted accordingly. No Jerusalem Jew would think of violating the Shabbat or eating non-kosher; no Muslim would think of drinking alcohol. Then, the Zionists came. Totally secular and anti-religious weird people from Russia came, and started bringing their filthy secularism to Jerusalem. Because of them, there is now beer all around, cafes and discotheques and prostitution and shops selling pork in our Holy City. They angered the Arabs by trying to - and succeeding! - to grab power over the Holy Land, something we would never have thought of. We know that our task is to live in peace between the peoples of the world. Having a state is completely against everything we know.
 * We, the Yerushalmi Jews, the ones wearing mainly flat hats and long coats, are the most strongly opposed to Zionism. However, the other Charedim, such as the more moderate Chassidim and the Lithuanian Charedim, are also not quite Zionist. You must have heard of the newspaper Yated Ne'eman, which belongs to the political party 'Degel HaTorah', part of Yahadut HaTorah (gimmel). They (obviously) do vote, and do accept money from the government. But, still, see what they write on Zionism: http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5759/vayigash/provoke.htm ; http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5765/KDS65owarawgt.htm ; http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5759/vayechi/stable.htm ; http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5759/emor/oemor.htm ; http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5761/ekev/EKVorkarltz.htm ; http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5760/kiseitze/features.htm ("The contents of this letter (which appears in Karaino De'igarto Vol. I, #203) set guidelines for charting policy in the battle against Zionism through casting votes in elections. That was his approach to the issue; it was a battle whose sole purpose moreover, was to fight the destroyers of religion, not to advance any group's particular interests."). These links should give you a nice idea of what the non-extreme Chareidim (Yahadut HaTorah, Degel HaTorah, Agudat Yisrael) think about Zionism. Nevertheless, these groups do regularly drift somewards towards Zionism: for example, the Zionist Mayor of Jerusalem, Uri Lupolianski, is a member of Degel HaTorah! And he said that he opposes partitioning Jerusalem. We, the real Yerushalmim, say that he betrayed real Judaism and became a plain Zionist. Thanks for reading it all! --D. Breslauer (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As you can see, the witch-hunt goes on. Check my user page and talk page. I hope you might be willing to try to save me. I am hopeless and no longer have any options. Yossiea's witchhunt against me will not end until I or he dies. --D. Breslauer (talk) 11:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Nabi Musa
Dear Tiamut, I have started writing the Nabi Musa page, to districate the word from the former links, which everywhere simply glossed it as synonymous with anti-Zionist/Jewish rioting. It also had a clear role in contrasting the Muslim from the Christian cultures of Palestine, but this did not stop, as far as I know, Christian-Muslim cooperation. Whatever, I wonder if you could be so kind as to supply the page with the requisite Arabic gloss? Best wishes as always Nishidani (talk) 11:23, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not an invite! It's an irresponsible case of linguistic mendicancy by a blathering bore who should have taken more trouble to learn more languages years ago, instead of pestering people like yourself! Cheers and thanks!:-)Nishidani (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah,..Mmm . .what is the superlative of thank you (Tiamut). An issue of paramount philological import after that splendid edit. For the moment, tibi ago gratias.Nishidani (talk) 15:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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still open
Issue is still open: Talk:Palestinian_fedayeen. Give it a look when you can. Thanks.  Jaakobou Chalk Talk  07:18, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I replied to you at WP:IPCOLL's talk page. Thanks, let me know what you think. It's too long and personal, so I probably will need to remove/reduce it soon. HG | Talk 14:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. please let me know if you got the email I sent; also replied to you somewhat on the stamps, and will try to work with you more on the specific Palestine article. Also, I gather you saw my note about the film? Thanks. HG | Talk 18:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you also might try just setting up a gmail acct, which can fwd to your private acct. Either way, let me know when it's up. Thanks. HG | Talk 01:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, aren't we supposed to be encouraging each other to rest? Somnatically (?) yours, HG | Talk —Preceding comment was added at 01:11, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

comment re your comments at article
Hi. i agree with you, and I said so, at the article talk page. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: 1948remembered
It appears that the user has a WP:POV which conflicts with that of the other editors in the 1948 Palestinian exodus article. I've given him one last warning in terms of edit warring; if he persists I'll report him to WP:AN3. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  00:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm referring to this edit. While he may have blanked in the past, currently it is a content dispute. Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  00:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Seriously? That is a content dispute? There is no source for such a sentence. Read it again. He writes: "The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية al-Hijra al-Filasteeniya) refers to the the prevention of Islam's armies from committing genocide in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War."

The exodus refers to the flight or expulsion of over 750,000 Palestinians. How was that the "prevention of Islam's armies from committing genocide"? This is not an article about the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, it's about the causes for the exodus itself.  T i a m u t talk 00:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I know, but from his point of view it may be different, and while this may seem ridiculous to you, everyone has the right to a personal opinion; however, said opinion should not carry through into their editing. Cheers, Master of Puppets  Call me MoP! ☺  00:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. So, while it might be okay to express such an opinion on the talk pages, one should not edit-war to include it against consensus - which is what he was doing, despite repeated requests to stop, and even after your messages to him, suggesting he engage in discussion.  T i a m u t talk 00:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * He has been quiet for a few hours; hopefully, after he comes back he'll be willing to discuss. Cheers, Master of Puppets  <font color="#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! ☺  05:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate pages
Hi, I have noticed that last December you have created a disambiguation page in Tira, while also keeping the page Tira (disambiguation). Please avoid this in the future, because now it created a difficulty and requires deleting the page Tira, while moving Tira (disambiguation) to Tira, in order to preserve page histories. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 22:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't actually requested the move above, it would compliate things too much, although it would completely sort out the problem. For now, I have simply redirect Tira (disambiguation) to Tira, and both edit histories remain intact. I guess you could say it's fine now. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Palestinian cuisine history
Marhaba ya Tiamut, I have a little (but possibly annoying) favor to ask you and its about the Palestinian cuisine article. I plan on nominating it for GA status hopefully in the coming week or two but there is a gigantic boulder blocking this from happening and it is the article's tiny history section. I found some info from an internet source but I need a book. Anyway, if you have any thing on Palestinian/Syrian/Bedouin culinary history, please add to the section. In the meantime, I'll be working on MoS and I'll see what else I can find on history. I just asked Huldra for help as well. Elf Salaame. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh thats fine, Huldra has provided several sources on Talk:Palestinian cuisine, and it has been establshed that its certainly not likely to provide an extensive history section for "Palestinian" cuisine anyhow, as compared to the good articles of French and Italian cuisine. Thanks anyway and good luck on your projects. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Concensus-Palestinians
Concensus of bunch of a bunch anti-palestinians individuals is not a reference, I did not concent to such concensus!75.72.88.121 (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:move
Hi.there..nice to find someone arabian,from palestine,Ok do thing it is better to be Palestine people OR Palestine (arab) --O.waqfi (talk) 15:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

yes.I think it is crazy...are you from palsetine ..what are you doing in these days at wikipedia.do interested in kinds of articles...? nice to meet you.--O.waqfi (talk) 15:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

really i am from jordan.all my family from Jordan, there is many arabian people here.do you know something,the arabian people here.they don't have the a big thing.I think we must struggle here.we can rename plaestine to what we need it. are you joined the arab wikiproject OR any arabs projects here> --O.waqfi (talk) 16:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Stamping out disagreements
Hi. Thanks for what I interpreted as an elegant solution (aka compromise) with the PNA + Isr + Palestine articles. (Hope you got some rest.) Anyway, did you miss my point about the JNF? Your whole paragraph is interesting and useful, but these are not "postage" stamps and don't belong in a philatelic article. It's like baseball cards or S&H Green Stamps, collectibles but not philatelic. See what I mean? HG | Talk 16:27, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

yes
it's a great chance to meet you..hope we contact..to edit a good articles.or in any wikipedia bussines.. you name tiamut.>hope we communicate here.agian nice too meet you. --O.waqfi (talk) 15:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)