User talk:Tide rolls/Archive 36

Stop reverting my posts
Stop reverting my posts on Tariel Oniani, Traiel's daughter is Vito Andretti and not Gvantsa.

76.11.32.102 (talk) 00:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * @IP:Please get sources for that information.
 * @Tide rolls:You may want to be more careful with Huggle, as I've seen Huggle users biting new editors with it.Jasper Deng (talk) 00:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * One can never be too careful, but my aim is to exercise extreme caution at all times. Thanks for your input.   Tide  rolls  00:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Warning in error
Just taking you at your word on the notification regarding problems with warnings, sorry if it is a bother. I don't know how that change may have been attributed to me, but I didn't make it. Some kind of glitch from edit conflicts I would guess. Thanks. --Mujokan (talk) 01:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

By the way, if you have time, or know someone else interested, there is a minor edit war over the name of the courier on that page that will need resolution. Details on the talk page at "Courier man's real name". Thanks. --Mujokan (talk) 01:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't need to take my word, I showed you a diff. Seeing that the original poster had changed their post previously does make a difference.  However, what I saw was the diff I showed you.  I can't explain the problem.  That will take a more educated mind than mine.   Tide  rolls  01:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Guidance on an odd editor
Greetings: I had to revert an edit to the Trinidad, California page because one added an uncited statement that the town was *the* smallest in California instead of "one of the smallest in California." I was unable to verify this statement and I reedited the page. I went to User:76.169.32.212's talk page, left a message and noticed that this person has received warnings of this type before from you and from others. Is there anything else I should do besides keep an eye on that page for any additional changes? I am sorry to bother you, I am newer to Wikipedia and trying to learn my way around. With best wishes and thank you for your time. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:30, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ellin. Thanks for your help in watching over the articles.  Yes, sources for content are important and are an area that needs attention.  I would caution you to take care in your reversions to the extent that you do not run afoul of the three revert rule (see WP:3RR).  I'm not saying you have, I just want to make sure that you are aware.  It's also important to realize that the warning I left on the page you refer to dates back about 18 months.  It's possible that the individual editing from that IP address is not the same individual that was warned back in August '09.  If you have any further concerns please let me know.  Regards  Tide  rolls  16:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing out WP:3RR, I had no idea!! I also didn't know that old IP accounts could be accessed by new IP users.  Thank you for your help, this is why I try to ask experienced people for help on stuff.  "Be bold" is a rather scary concept.  Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's only in some cases that the IP addresses are "dynamic". That's one of the concerns with interacting with those editing from IPs.  You never know who you are dealing with...thus, the necessity for the assumption of good faith.   Tide  rolls  16:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Stratford Hall
Man this is getting out of control! The girl really does attend the school she commented on TMZ Everyone was talking about it! I was watching T.V. and she said it, right on TMZ! Please stop acting like the wiki police and have some shame If I were you i would be really embarrassed right now! Boardingschoollover (talk) 00:31, 5 May 2011 (UTC)Boardingschoollover


 * Reading and understanding the guidelines regarding editing on this project is not a requirement. It's just a good idea.  Of course you may edit in any manner you like.  I was approaching the situation from the point of view that you wanted your contribution retained and built upon.  My bad.   Tide  rolls  00:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Longest words
And, how, pray tell, was my edit to Longest words not constructive? Perhaps someone is a little trigger happy with their Huggle. 60.242.48.18 (talk) 08:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Not trigger happy; ignorant. I had not encountered that template previously. Apologies for the message left in error.  Tide  rolls  11:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Np; thanks for striking the warning. Although, considering the IP is dynamic, I'm not entirely sure how much impact that will have. :) Regards from a former fellow Wikipedian. 60.242.48.18 (talk) 11:49, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It may be stating the obvious that I favor registration, but I appreciate your helpful contributions however you wish to make them. Thanks for your patience as well.  See ya 'round  Tide  rolls  12:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Phi Gamma Delta
Sigh.Naraht (talk) 13:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep.  Tide  rolls  15:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandal
User:97.89.168.66 is going through the alphabet and adding the false category Category:Christmas films to every film he can think of, from Citizen Kane to The French Connection to Full Metal Jacket. He's done about 50 today already. Can you stop him? Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 09:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, Softlavender. I was offline when you posted your message, apologies.  It appears that other editors have stepped in and that individual has stopped their disruption.  I'll watch for any future actions that are similar, though.  Thanks for your vigilance.  Tide  rolls  13:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Something About Airplanes edit
The song is "The Face That Launched 1000 Shits" *not* Ships. See http://allmusic.com/album/something-about-airplanes-r397557 173.164.232.194 (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Wow. You had a source and didn't include it. Epic.  Tide  rolls  18:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

A Huggle Fail


-- Σ ☭ ★  23:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * So, that redirect to Reddit was correct? That's confusing...   Tide  rolls  23:22, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * So the title of the article was correct? Even more confusing. -- Σ ☭ ★  04:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You mean the redirect title? I have no idea.  That's a manual of style issue, not a Huggle issue.   Tide  rolls  05:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit on Mikhail IV
My edit was reverted for correcting mistake made by original author. The reputable source, the Synaxarium (Chronicle of Saints) cites the person mentionned in the article as MIKHAIL I, not IV. I changed the name accordingly but was unable to change the name of the article.

Yet my edit was reverted.

I appreciate your good work on Wikipedia, however, a quick check at the citations will have justified my edit.

Look forward to whatever you may do next (:

92.25.214.233 (talk) 21:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Your position involves renaming the article. Not an insurmountable task, but there is a procedure in place for such actions.  To unilaterally change the content of the article is not the means to accomplish your goal.  If you'd like further explanation I would be happy to oblige.   Tide  rolls  22:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Of course there is procedure in place, but frankly, if anyone were to check the name of the article with citation 1, the error will be found. My position is simply that the article should bear the correct name that the very capable and reputable citation mentionned. Sorry for my firmness and slight ignorance, but does procedure REALLY matter in matters of common sense? 92.25.214.233 (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ignorance is curable...see one of my posts above :) Procedure matters in that we edit here for the reader, not for the sake of procedure.  Tide  rolls  22:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Sweet. ;) Cool, well, you seem to know your wiki stuff then, fancy going through Citation 1 of the article and acting accordingly to common sense AND procedure? (: 92.25.214.233 (talk) 22:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sighs. Ok.  Let me stop what I'm doing and look it up.  Damn.  I hate work.  Tide  rolls  22:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Nice. Good luck with that and many thanks. 92.25.214.233 (talk) 22:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up... it seems as though the matter may be down to sources contradicting each other. The Michael I article has no citations from the Synaxarium and seems to be from an earlier period, however, it's noted in the Synaxarium that the Michael I is the person whose article is Michael IV... just more reason to look into it :D Good luck and keep me posted on this thread, I'm taking a nice interest in this... ;) 92.25.214.233 (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that doesn't help...which I know you already know :P. The Coptic sites don't date their lists.  I'm persona non grata at my local library (the less said about that the better} .  I can't locate any sites that date the "Mikhails" even though, intuitively, the "first" would've predated the "fourth" by a considerable period of time.  Original research...it's a bitch.   Tide  rolls  22:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I've even resorted to Google translating Arabic sites. No joy.  Tide  rolls  22:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

A persona non grata at a library is able to become an admin on wikipedia... hmmmm :) and citation 1 on Michael IV does mention the date, but yeah, it gets badly confusing thereafter ... maybe referring this to User:Ghaly would be better... they seem to have matters Coptic under control, many thanks again 92.25.214.233 (talk) 23:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The statute of limitations has run its course. Anyway, if you have an expert at hand I'd welcome the help.  Tide  rolls  23:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the reverts on my talk page. I noticed that you blocked the editor in question indefinitely. Might I ask about resetting it to something shorter? I think the editor meant well in the beginning. They just didn't know that their definition was already on Wiktionary. I know they kind of took out some of their frustration on my talk page, but I've seen a lot worse. If you do decide to reset the block, I'd like to leave a note on the editor's talk page explaining why things got reverted. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Re your message: Thank you for reconsidering the block and leaving the note. It was great.  I left a short note of my own explaining how their changes were not of the normal style.  Hopefully they return and can be productive.  I think she did mean well. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

My last two edits follow the rules as I understand them and were reverted, please help
Hey there. I cited everything and made constructive, accurate, and useful edits on the Barry Donegan wiki and they were deleted twice. If I could get an explanation as to what I can do to get the changes to stick, that would be great, as I don't understand the reasoning for reverting them back. The information changes are all confirmed and cited in the article referenced. Thanks for your help! 69.137.98.88 (talk) 01:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I reverted your edits due to the 2015 dating. That was wrong of me; I will not revert you if you re-instate the content.  However, the "source" is written by the article's subject so as a primary source it's discouraged.  If I were you I'd locate a better source. And learn to use the "Show preview" button.  I edit conflicted with you three times attempting to reply here.  Tide  rolls  01:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Duly noted about using a different source -- there was a great article from The American Spectator which was written by a different author that referenced everything. You were a big help as that is probably a stronger source anyway. 69.137.98.88 (talk) 01:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Concern with MaXaCt
MaXaCt has edited a number of articles contribs. I have reverted several. Some are constructive, some seem questionable, some seem to be unconstructive. I have added two vand1 to her/his talk and a request to check spelling and add references to 'unusual' edits. MaXaCt added a statement to Mater et Magistra which you reverted elsewhere is outside of my expertise. I checked a few references on Mater et Magistra, but was unable to verify the edit. Any recommendations you could give me would be appreciated for both topics. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Civilization IV Music and My edits
Music in Civilization IV is not notable on it's own. Neither is Music in Civilization III. However merging them, and adding info on music in Civs 1,2,5 makes a notable topic. OttomanJackson User:OttomanJackson 00:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by OttomanJackson (talk • contribs)


 * That's good to know. Please fix your signature so that it links to your user or user talk page.  You present signature is misleading and confusing.  The purpose of a signature is to facilitate communication.  Thanks  Tide  rolls  00:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me amend my instruction. Do not apend your messages with faux-signatures.  Use the four tildes as instructed at Signatures.  Tide  rolls  00:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

My name is Bjornson. And I am not a Troll!
Tide rolls: I am neither troll nor whatever negative words are used here. I am simply a scientist with no objective but understanding and explication, but explication that fits physical reality and not human delusion. I have little patience with willful ignorance that results in human misery. Since, for the great majority of Humanzees, 'personality' trumps all other characteristics, I will do my best to behave in the manner of this 'Rome' that I am visiting. I hope you will see my sincerity here. I am trying to explain why I think that the "Protocols" page is deceptive and should be rewritten. That's ALL. It has an OBVIOUS agenda. That I cannot do it in 10 words or less or without bruising an ego or prejudice or giving reasons that only agree with local conventions is difficult. Here, in the spirit of "co-operation", I must ask you what possibly could have been your objection to "Humanzee"? I understand that "crazy goys" may be odd to you because it's likely (current political educational policies) you know little of White history (maybe 'mashuge goyim' would have been better?). The massacres, slaughters, genocides, just-plain-run-amoks, murder of enlightened nonGreed-based cospecifics, and on and on that dot White history every generation make anyone not White a little more nervous to be on the same planet. When this historical pathogenicity meets pure religious pathogenicity such as seen in the zionists, there are "interesting times" ahead. This old exMarine may die well before that but my children and grandchildren will be right in the middle of it. As one trained in the art can often see the onset of serious disease before the victim 'feels' ill, so too, someone paying attention can see a grave illness settling over the Western world. If someone is familiar with White history, it is obvious to see because it has been here before. I will leave the discovering of that for yourself to you and what you want for your future but I strongly urge you to consider THE future and try to project what you see happening now into YOUR future. If the current trends continue, almost all Americans will most likely live their entire lives in debt to corporations, for starters, working in a life-draining, dream destroying corporate policy slot which, every morning, fills your soul with sadness. This is not new. It's called feudalism. Good luck.

But, "Humanzee"? Do you have any idea what "Humanzee" means? As, presumably, a person who honors words as Homo's (sapiens) greatest and most important characteristics, AS any EDITOR must, have you ever examined the word "human" from a nuance perspective, paricularly as an adjective? It is worthless. Because it has endless nuance, it has no real meaning, that is, no clear, unambiguous meaning. Everyone has their own slightly or, as here, greatly different meaning when they use the word human. If I want to speak of the species H. sapiens, I need a word that calls up a unique body of characteristics sans the collective psychopathic delusion we call The World, or Mankind. I study Humanzees the way another would study, say, nematodes. When we are studied this way, that is, from the outside looking in, we resemble nematodes much more than we resemble "Man the Wise". I do not expect you to come to an immediate understanding of this as it takes years and years of determined study and effort to strip out all of the prejudices and presumptions and plain delusions and build a model that is 100% Skinnerian, behavior based, and rooted in physical principles. If you are religious in any way, you will have twice the fantasy to work through that I had. And, just in case you feel a button warming up on the religious note, atheism is as much a religion as any. If there be a g-d, we are the group of blind people who have come upon an elephant and all experience different parts of the elephant and, as 'humans' do, assume that their own experience represents the only possible universe. Sigh.

Here, let me give you an example of how we work when examining ourselves. Please have patience. The most important thing that Humanzee groups do after assuring food and safety and reproduction as any animal must, is look around for other Humanzee groups with which to compete. We call this War. We have been exceptionally prone to this behavior in our history. No other species has gang confrontaions and mass murders of cospecifics, not even other obligate (mandatory) communal animals such as ants murder their own cospecifics and do it as predictably as we do. The development and emergence of highly organised and co-operative groups was dependent on this intraspecific competition which, if historical sources are dependable (e.g. The Book Of Joshua), was almost always what we term 'genocidal'. There is reason for this but maybe later. What is important here is to understand that, at that time, an entire civilization, every scrap of its culture and knowledge and technology had to be carried in its collective brains. Just one 'data point' carried by one group and not its adversaries could be enough. Imagine the difference between using a rock as a weapon and using a rock that was stuck onto the end of a stick as a weapon. If 'Group B' happens to be a relatively recent but expanded 'bud' of 'Group A' (e.g. The Mormons) and, after budding, develop the rock-on-a-stick, the 'old' model 'Group A' is in trouble. Selection in Humanzees for expanded group data retention capacity (and that's MEMORY capacity almost entirely, not processing)was facilitated and accelerated to the extent that it's only negative selection pressure was the human birth canal and mothers started to die routinely. Killing mothers, particularly first-term mothers, is a hugely negative selection pressure but the selection pressure for larger retention was so strong that it ran right over this resistance. We still have this selection for a larger birth canal going on in Humanzee females today. 'Caesarian Section' will extend this equilibration period. Genetic equilibrium (of birth canal) in the Humanzee to the rapid cranial changes will take many more generations to achieve even though prelimnary genetic evidence suggests our brains stopped expanding about the time writing emerged (~6-8ky ago, external data storage and greater risk avoidance relieving the necessity of maintaining large, actively processing cerebral cortecies and allowing most of the less capacious units (from about the first to second standard deviation of capacity distribution down) of a group to maintain a sort of 'full automatic' with no major additions to the individual unit's behavioral repertoire from puberty to senescence. This contributes greatly to the stability of a group but also has negative effects when milieu change is deliberately injected (such as when Hitler took power - people tried to maintain their automatic lives, not face the prospect of serious conflict with their environment or even with their own implanted beliefs and Hitler was able to take full control of them by just taking control of their milieu - the Deutschlanders of the time were some of the most 'sophisticated', highly educated people on our planet. Yet, because they didn't think about what was happening in terms of the future, they found themselves in a barless prison of nightmares. What of our own poorly educated, 'circus maximus' oriented folks?

 Finally , the paragraph above is what Anthropology refuses to examine. Anthropologists, those we depend on to explicate us, flatly refuse to accept War as a Humanzee genetic disease or even historical characteristic. Because Wars have 'reasons' they must be voluntary. Examining Humanzee history, it's difficult to separate War from other influences because it is the single most important theme of Human delusional history (History) and, also, natural history (where Alexander the Great is just another worm). Our (Humanzee's) most vital issue is self-delusion. We only have one effective therapy for alcoholism, a disease of addiction and denial, and it is self-awareness. We must be self-aware of what we (all) really are (absolutely savage animals that when aroused destroy everything around us including, occasionally, ourselves) and how we really work. At this time, the zionists are immunizing all of their people for Smallpox. If you would like to know the effect of a disseminated attack of Smallpox on a Smallpox naive population, read the book "1491" where the author describes the 90+% mortality amongst the native naive population of South, Meso, and Norte America. The American government could never provide even a fraction of the necessary doses in such an attack. America will lose an entire generation of kids and young people. America will be completely defeated. America is naked and so craven that you're allowing your own small children to become accustomed to being physically molested by total strangers in your airports on the basis of vaporous fears fed to you by your elite via the government you think you own. And, if you happen to be uncommomly aware and become angry, you direct your anger at the government which is simply a machine employed by the elite, any elite, to manage its herd and deflect any such hostility. To describe such behavior requires that it be phrased in what you might call 'technical terms' because the usual words have been fully propagandized to contain nuances (Wikipedia: "weasel words") that twist understandings or TABOOs. Discussing the brutality of the zionists has been successfully installed in the American psyche as a TABOO. If you are interested in your own programming, explore exactly why these people get such a pass when any other group in the world can easily earn your approbation and criticism. Denial is the Humanzee's greatest comfort and not at all easily overcome, particularly when the resultant will be the loss of fully automatic functioning as your awareness expands to finally be able to take a new look at how this World actually works. And, how it might work if Humanzees were really what we think we are.

If you are interested in Humanity and its reality, you might go to Project Gutenberg Australia and find an author name of W. Olaf Stapledon. Of his works, I would recommend Star Maker. Mr. Stapledon turned to SF in the late twenties because his peers in academia had no idea what he was talking about. He creates whole civilizations, describes them through time, shows how certain core values are responsible for their success and how these same core values become responsible for their demise. He influenced many people, Arthur C. Clarke for one, who influenced me as a lad of twelve or so with a story called "The Sentinel". His vision of the essential elements of a distributed individual is absolutely solid, but you will see that, I'm sure.

In any case, Tide rolls (et al), I am not here to be a troll. That we are completely mistaken in much of our perception of the world and our place in it is just historical and is exactly analogous to the development of a child. We are learning but slowly. The changes that are being forced upon us now here in the United States are the same-oh, same-oh crap that greed for money and power has always forced upon collapsing societies, in our case collapse from deliberate social poisoning instilled by outside agencies (murdock media) to untie the bundle of sticks that is our America... Again, good luck! But, much more importantly: Clear Perception to you! You are young, most probably. Will you be there when my family is caught up in the coming horror to help them? I won't be able to because I will be dead one way or another so whatever I can do for them, I must do now whilst I still suck air. Do you guys get this?

One little complaint: In perusing the site, I discover that my 'transgressions' are ubiquitous here but do not involve criticism of the zionist disease that has arisen in my world so, apparently, do not deserve the attention I have managed to garner to my own humble perceptions. Hypocrisy is not necessarily a systematic flaw in a people or persons and can be very specific. It's okay for one people to butcher another helpless people in the most horrible ways as long as the butcher controls the perception of the observer. Study the thermobaric bomb and also willy-peter if you would know of horror. America's most important product, unthinkable barbaric armament for suppression of other peoples. As the Humanzee in the helicopter deathship said (YouTube: Wikileak's 19 minute gun camera video) when viewing the two reporters (NYT and Reuters with "RPG" camera) and the 14 or so other Iraqi bodies of the innocent bystanders scattered in pieces (30mm automatic cannons) including would-be rescuers and two small children, he said: "Kewl". Welcome to America, 2011. Psychopathy Rules!

And yet again: Good Luck in your future, "interesting times" ahead. But don't be doomed to repeating yet again what we have done in the past or you will experience an America few Americans can now imagine, prostrate and crippled and owned, destroyed from within by induced rot from without. Enslaved. We're well on our way now. You know this but you are paralyzed. Listen more, kneejerk less, and think, think, think and dig, dig, dig. There is detail behind every detail and g-d and the truth live there and only there. You'll see. My only hope for my family in the future is that guys and women like you will wake up and look for yourselves. Shake off the propagandistic denial and investigate for yourselves. But the key is to look only at behavior. Rationales are almost always lies of one sort or another, whether deliberate or not, that are used to obscure and mitigate absolutely immoral behavior. Behavior is undeniable and a massacre of the helpless is a genocidal massacre of the helpless however you spin it in the delusional World of human meaning and True Jews who appreciate Jewish history can only be horrified and offended when people calling themselves Jews do such things routinely. But that is something that you will probably never get, that Jews can hate Jews. There ARE evil Jews, my dear Sir, and the zionists are them, highly inbred religious fanatics. They know only hatred and destruction and their own desires. They will kill you and think nothing of it because you do not count. Like all of these childish beliefs, only the 'select' are worthy. Notice anything about America lately? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.24.29 (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

And...
Although the "Protocols" are almost as tedious reading as I am, I defy you (literary sense only) to read them thoroughly and, during the reading, NOT develop 'gooseflesh' at some point in recognition. That this document has lasted as long as it has is due to its content only, as you might see, but only if you do the research. See for yourself why it has such longevity and why I feel the Wikipedia page is deceptive and wholly biased. It seems slightly unfair to criticize a criticism when the critic is unfamiliar with the subject of the original criticism. No? This would seem to obviate Reason as an operative choice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.24.29 (talk) 01:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)