User talk:Tiger Marc/Archive/Archive 01

Proposed WikiProject: Leather History
I propose to start a new WikiProject that documents Leather History as outlined by the Leather History Timeline created for the Leather Archives and Museum.

First, we would copy the timeline (with the LA&M's permission) to Wikipedia. Second, we would create articles to support the timeline. Thirdly, we would add articles to fill in gaps in the timeline.

BDSM stubs

Leather History & Timeline
Description: This project proposes to increase and improve the coverage in Wikipedia of the history of leather culture such as BDSM organizations, motorcycle clubs, and related events.

Temporary project page: Leather history

User: Tiger Marc ROAR!

Interested Wikipedians (please add your name):

Welcome!
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Now, the above was a template, and I myself know (from experience) that nothing gets the job done better than a real human, so feel free to drop me a line right there :) I hope you have fun on Wikipedia! --Master of Puppets 05:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Awesome :)
I noticed that you adopted one of my userboxes; mainly, the Vandalism one. Would you know how to create and contribute a template to the userbox area? I'm rubbish with code, I only know how to fix vandalism and the like. Thanks, mate :) -- Master of Puppets ( MASTER! MASTER! ) 05:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

leather
I would like to delete this page and replace it with a redirect for International Mr Leather (upper case) which would cover more of the redirects. Please note: a) you did not need to delete the article - you should have simply changed it; b) the correct redirect was already there to International Mister Leather. There is no International Mr Leather article and International Mr. Leather is also a redirect. -- RHaworth 07:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

You win!
Cernen 14:46, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello
I am glad you like the BDSM/leather flag and userbox, I drew it myself from a copy of a little picture :)

I think it would be a better idea to have a "BDSM wikiproject" or "fetish wikiproject" (fetish wikiproject could be better but then we could also get unwanted people as well as being an easier target for prudes

Hope you think about it

Category:Kinky Wikipedians also has some relevant information if you've seen it: I just put up a notice about the possibility of a wikiproject (btw have you checked out wipipedia? it's quite good) -- Mistress Selina Kyle  (  Α⇔Ω ¦  ⇒✉  )  12:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
Happy Easter! :D  _-M      o      P-_   04:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Cornell
I have just started WikiProject Cornell University, an attempt to thoroughly cover topics related to Cornell. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. Thanks! — mercuryboard talk 05:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT studies
Hello! I noticed that your userpage mentions that you are interested in LGBT issues. Would you be interested in joining WikiProject LGBT studies? The WikiProject's been a bit inactive recently and some of us are trying to get it going again. We'd love to have you on board! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Whups!
I didn't realize the LGBTProject template was supposed to go on the talk page, not the article page, until I looked it up after I noticed your moving them. I stand corrected. :-) --Textorus 23:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you moved them. I'm making it one of my little projects, to add LGBTProject tags to all the untagged articles I find. Not sure what the Project will do with all of them, but I figure it's good to have all possible links in place. :-) --Textorus 23:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Welcome
Glad you signed up. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 13:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

User:SatyrBot and LGBTProject
Do you mean in the comments? Because I've only used it to add so far. I'm in the process of getting it to be a bit more functional so I can use it for more than just stubs, but that's what it does now. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

LGBT Template
If you don't mind too much, I'd rather stick to just replacing the various older Gay & LGBT boxes with the new "Bisexuality series" boxes on all the Bi articles I can locate and then also making sure each article also has the "LGBT Project" box on each discussion page. That's a more than overwhelming task in and of itself. CyntWorkStuff 03:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Florida Legislative Investigation Committee
Hey Marc, thanks for the "B" on this article--that's the first letter grade I've ever gotten! Appreciate ya! --Textorus 03:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Glad you like. It is an interesting subject, and ought to be more widely known about.  I've actually known some people who were subjected to those interrogations, and they are still shook up about it, all these years later.  Scary stuff, and right here in the good ol' "land of the free," too.  :-(   --Textorus 06:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

changes to gay games site
Tiger --

I see your changes and appreciate your rationale for them. From my perspective, removing the substance of the speeches denies readers any sense of substance and story arc that took place on the field; leaving simply an index. This is, imho, not "encyclopedic." I guess you are in control or something, so I'm not going to battle you; although I think you are depriving people of some powerful words.

I trust your leaving my name out of the article was an oversight, and have replaced it. Having given up an entire year of my life to make this happen, and it being my concept in the first place, I don't think such acknowledgment of that is out of place, yes?

Thanks,

Kile Ozier

KO 17:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Kile,
 * Did you see the messages I left for you on your talk page and in the article's Discussion/talk page? As I wrote there, I removed the content because it appeared to be copyrighted. (Copyrighted material cannot be included in Wikipedia unless it is cleared.)


 * Also, full text of speeches is not encyclopedic. Encyclopedias do not document primary source material. Instead, they summarize it. See WP:NOT. However, there is an appropriate place for speeches (if they are not copyrighted or are "fair use") -- our sister project, Wikisource.org. Why don't you put it there and link to the speeches from Wikipedia? I think that would be a great addition.


 * In any case, I hope you're not disheartened and continue to contribute. --Tiger Marc ROAR! 22:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

further corrections to Gay Games Page
Marc,

I have clarified another inaccuracy. The ceremonies were not a tribute to Tom Waddell (any more than the fact of the Games, themselves, are in a way such a tribute); though, there is always a segment of Tribute to Tom as proscribed in the Federation's Guidelines for Protocol and Ceremony (which I wrote) and is a part of the contracts with successive Host Committees. This year, that tribute was in the form of a film that featured the words of Dr. Waddell, spoken by about twenty out, gay and lesbian athletes -- some olympians -- immediately prior to the presentation of the Tom Waddell Cup on the field by Greg Louganis. As far as that goes, I directed that film, as well.

As to your assertion that the fact of my directing these ceremonies is "irrelevant," I begin to get the sense that this resistance to my inclusion in this segment is more personal than professional. Throughout wikipedia, authors and directors of theatrical presentations are cited. This is no different. If it is relevant to cite the choreographers, performers and speakers -- most of whom accepted the invitation to work on these ceremonies in response to direct invitation from me, the Director -- it would be equally relevant to cite the man who developed the concept, wrote and directed the experience. Just as Andrew Lloyd Webber is cited as the author of the musical "Phantom of the Opera," this is entirely relevant.

I take your point of referencing copy of the speeches and lyrics through wikipedia's "sister" site, and will investigate the facilitation of that when I can get the time. My concern is that some very powerful words were spoken on that field, and I would hate to see them lost or unavailable to those not present. My original motivation for adding this segment to wikipedia was so that those powerful and moving speeches might not be forgotten.

Oh, and btw, Keith Boykin did not "read from" Exhortation to a Weary Army," he delivered it. "Exhortation..." was, again, a concept of mine that I asked Keith to write within parameters and with the purposes I shared with him.  He took this project on, and through our collaboration came the copy he delivered on July 15.  This was the same process that yielded the words of Kate Clinton, David Cornell and Suzanne Westenhoeffer -- all this is certainly verifiable.  To that, I have the successive copies of these speeches as we developed them.

Rather than do all of this through interminable emails and "chats," please feel free to contact me by phone (all that info is on my website), and I can offer you anything you need for verification. I am open to and would be happy to speak with you, so that any confusion can be cleared up and any miscommunication or misunderstanding can be avoided. Please do avail yourself of this.

Best KO 13:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage in Spain
Hey there, Just saw you had rated the article Same-sex marriage in Spain as B-Class. Seeing as we're aiming to get it to GA status, I'd like to know what you thought about it and why the low mark. A great effort was done to make it as NPOV as possible (by both supporters and non-supporters of the law) and make it well-sourced and referenced. Obviously you detected some flaws, so I'd be grateful for some feedback on them, to correct them asap. :) Cheers Raystorm 11:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * *Grin* Ah okay, I'm sorry, I guess I just skimmed the rates, and I saw that a B meant that it was okay but possibly POV or badly sourced and in need of great work, so I got somewhat concerned! :) I should have read that only articles granted GA status can reflect a GA rating. Sorry, my bad. I'm trying to get it to GA status right now, but I'm afraid there's a massive backlog at the candidates page (it's been there waiting for 15 days now...). Anyway, thanks for saying it has the stuff to become a GA. And of course, any ideas you'd like to contribute so that this may happen would be greatly appreciated (obviously, the final goal would be to make it a FA, so any and all ideas to develop the article towards this end are most welcome!). Cheers Raystorm 11:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * PS:I do have a weak spot for userboxes, how did you guess? :) Haha Raystorm 12:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * PS2: Hi, sorry to bother you again. :) Would like your opinion on something. Do you think the article, as it stands, could merit an A-rating? (I just noticed that it doesn't have to be a GA for that, and in fact several of the articles in the GA candidates' page are A-rated) Cheers Raystorm 15:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi again Tiger Marc. :) Listen, the article Same-sex marriage in Spain has undergone a major revamp. I'd very much appreciate any feedback you could provide about it. I need a third party to give me an objective appraisal (as I'm the only person editing this article). I'm especially worried about redundancy issues at the beginning. Would you terribly mind? :) Cheers Raystorm 14:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject newsletter
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Hey, Peeps, it's that time of the month again (no not that time &mdash; get your mind out of the gutter): time for another monthly edition of the LGBT Project's Love Boat newsletter from your cruise director Miss Julie. So much has been happening this month and I just can't wait to tell you all about it!!!

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Alice and her harasser
Let's start with some good news: Alice and the project lost the bothersome sock puppet who had been disrupting many articles we monitor, and now most of us can edit in relative peace. Congratulations, Alice, for being able to come out of semi-retirement. Benjiboi, on the other hand, has gained an anonymous IP stalker who seems to be more Catholic than the Pope and who has a hard-on for the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. We seem to have a sort of Yin and Yang thing going on here, which helps both to keep us in balance and on our toes.

Harry Potter and his homosexual teacher
Albus Dumbledore got outed this month, and was immediately adopted by our project. The international brouhaha surrounding this disclosure reached all the way to Wikiland, and his article was briefly locked due to homophobic vandalism (as well as well meaning editors who just couldn't believe that that nice man could possibly be gay). This is a wonderful article to add to your watchlist, and will surely give you hours of reverting fun on cold winter days.

"My Fellow Americans"
On a more serious note, Fireplace has suggested a new article series about LGBT rights in the United States, state by state. This ambitious topic will surely require many editors and a lot of research, but has the potential to add further prestige to our already prestigious project.

Same name, same sexuality: a riddle for the ages
Francis Bacon (not the new gay one, but the old gay one ... though they're actually both dead, now that I think about it) has also aroused passions here on Wikipedia, with editors opposing his sexuality being disclosed in his biography. The always helpful Haiduc has thoughtfully provided any number of sources, but it is slow going getting his point across. Anyone want to lend a hand?

Beat writer arouses Irish guy
And speaking of passions, Jack Kerouac has inflamed the senses once again with editors, including administrator Irishguy, mounting a spirited defense to keep him as heterosexual as possible for Wikipedia purposes. Why? I don't know. Perhaps some of you can drop by the talk page and ask your questions there. I feel certain a stimulating debate will ensue that will be enjoyed by all.

Love those Texas Longhorns
Did you know that one of our Featured articles, Lawrence v. Texas, lost its shiny gold star? That was a shocker. It has been suggested that we turn our attention to it in an effort to restore it to its former glory. I took a peek, and it does need our help badly. For our American editors, it would seem almost a civic duty to edit it (not that I'm hinting....).

Point and Counterpoint
Though it was far too intellectual a debate for a mere cruise director like myself to take part in, Intersexuality was certainly a hot topic a week or two ago. The thrust of the debate was over inclusion in our project. Lots of good editors had lots of good opinions. For those too lazy to check out the discussion, we decided to leave it out for now.

Drudgery on offer
Peer review is, as always, short staffed and seemingly unloved. Wouldn't you feel better about yourself and the world in general if you took a few minutes to read one of the listed articles and offer some helpful advice? I know I'd feel better if you did.
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"My Fellow Americans" redux
The article LGBT movements in the United States certainly raised eyebrows last week, especially when it was discovered that copyrighted content had been added to our article. Tragedy was averted at the last minute, though, when the original hosts of the article where the material had been pilfered agreed to make it free to everyone. Our thanks to them, whoever they are. Busy Bee that I am, I haven't had time to read it, but I'm sure it's sensational.

This month's Wiki stars
Lesbian pulp fiction (a genre close to my heart, I must confess) writer Ann Bannon has decided to spice up the featured articles candidates list this month. Why not drop by and make your opinion heard? Joining her in this lofty aspiration are the articles But I'm a Cheerleader and Conversion therapy. I'm sure their main editors would welcome any comments (well, helpful ones, anyway) on the talk pages or the FAC discussions. And lest we forget, the List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: Sd-Si became a Featured list!! Rah rah, siskumbah! Go, team, GO!!!!

And the Oscar goes to...
Not content to run for Best Actress, plucky Bannon won a Best supporting actress Oscar... whoops, I meant to say Ann is also getting more than her share of womanly attention on the Good Article list. Joining her on this exalted plane are Freddy Mercury, Waylon Smithers and Lance Bass. Good articles indeed, and the last one mentioned just goes to show that one needn't admire the subject of an article to appreciate the effort put into making him worthwhile reading. What on earth Britney ever saw in him I'll never know. Truly a riddle cloaked in an enigma and wrapped around a puzzle.

Fresh faces to brighten our pages
Though I may not be the first, let me extend a warm, LGBT Love Boat welcome to the 12 new members who joined us in October: Jliberty, JockCub360, ChristopherEdwards, Desiderius82, Zlrussell, Kelsied, BeardedWoof, Mujerado, Tyrfing, Fabgurrl, Redl@nds597198, and decafdyke! Whatever you choose to do here, I feel sure that your contributions will enhance our project to no end. And if they don't...well, let's just say that I'm not shy.

Leather and lace
On a personal note, your already overworked cruise director is being cyberly whipped almost daily by Nemissimo, who desperately wants to get the German BDSM translation copy edited and used as a replacement for the current one. It's such a ... err, stimulating topic that I am sure many of you will want to join the copy editing fun. Jump right in, folks! It's so lonely copy editing it all by my lonesome!

Late breaking news
A little birdie just whispered in my ear that our noble collaboration project was delisted from the Community Portal due to inactivity. When asked how this scandalous turn of events could have occurred, the answer I received was "we suck at stuff like that". Well. In the first place, I disagree that sucking should be considered a negative, but to each his or her own. In the second place, I have full confidence that we can and will collaborate with other projects in the future. So let's not view this as a setback (even though it is), but rather a challenge to improve (and good Lord, I sound almost Wikipedian!).

Champagne dreams and caviar kisses
Lastly, the holidays are rapidly approaching. Our American cousins are currently getting ready to slaughter masses of poultry in an effort to show their gratitude and generally peaceful demeanor, and those of the Canadian persuasion, trendsetters that they are, celebrated a bit early this year. I'm sure all us foreigners will join together in wishing them all a very happy Thanksgiving on their respective holidays, both already celebrated and forthcoming... though I would hope somebody would enlighten me as to why they don't celebrate it on the same day. I was awake all last night trying to figure that one out. - In the spirit of this peculiarly North American holiday, let me take a moment to thank all of our editors for their contributions to this project. It's people like you who make people like me...well, a "people person"! May all your Wiki days be bright, and may your Love Boat never turn into a Poseidon.
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Kisses,

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LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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