User talk:Tigerboy1966/Archive 6

Moulton
Interesting that you touched on the riding arrangements for the 73 B&H. According to a biog of Barry Hills I read a while back, Charles St George was instrumental in this, travelling to York on the day with the Rheingold syndicate and persuading them to put his mate Piggott up (I can't clearly remember who was down to ride him but possibly Yves Saint-Martin). Hills only found out when the owners arrived at the course and had to deal with the situation, which clearly caused plenty of knock-on ructions on the day. --Bcp67 (talk) 06:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
 * According to Racehorses of 1973 the plan was that Piggott would ride Roberto, Saint-Martin would ride Rheingold and Lewis would ride Moulton. There was an understanding that Lewis would step down and Piggott would take over on Moulton if Roberto didn't run. When Roberto was scratched Rheingold's owners took a vote and decided to approach Piggott, who took up the offer and thereby "jocked off" Saint-Martin. The owners decision was prompted by the fact that YSM would probably be required to ride Allez France in the Arc and they wanted Rheingold to have the same jockey in both races. YSM complained and the stewards issued a statement saying that they "deplored" the late change in riding arrangements. The details probably belong in the Rheingold article, but I will alter the wording on Moulton as the current version is a bit harsh on LP.  Tigerboy1966  06:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Mecca's Angel
Hi, just catching up with the York results after a few days away. The Mecca's Angel article needs a slight re-write I think - back-to-back Nunthorpes were last achieved in 2008-09 by Borderlescott - you can phrase it a lot better than I would! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:24, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Aaargh missed it! and I wrote Borderlescott!  Tigerboy1966  20:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * done. Thanks for pointing this out. My (retrospective) excuse is that Borderlescott won his first Nunthorpe at Newmarket. I think the article now makes it clear.  Tigerboy1966  20:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with retrospectiveness, I've backed 1000s of such winners!! --Bcp67 (talk) 20:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Daieishō Hayato
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Possible help
This sandboxed article might be up your alley, a Sunday Silence offspring in Japan, editor wants help with sources (see also the editor's post to this page). User:Horsegeek/Suzuka Mambo. Montanabw (talk) 03:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Suzuka Mambo
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Rikishi updates
Thanks for wrestling. Things have really gotten easier since you came around. :-) FourTildes (talk) 06:24, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Big D, small d?
Buveur d'Air or Buveur D'Air, what do you reckon? RP result goes for the upper case letter, so I went for that in my update. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I knew this would come up. I will always go for the little "d" on principle: as in Sire de Grugy, Cirrus des Aigles. I'm still working on the Altior article atm so I wont be getting started on the Buveur article for a while.  Tigerboy1966  16:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * btw I think the first 3 in the Mare's Hurdle might have finished 1-2-3 in the Champion!  Tigerboy1966  16:18, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Indian Haven
Surprised that his sire doesn't have an article - is he on your radar to create one? --Bcp67 (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Most definitely. If the Byerley Turk line survives it will probably be thanks to Indian Ridge. I have a 3 or 4 more Irish guineas winners to get through and then I'll do it.  Tigerboy1966  06:36, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Meon Valley Stud
Interesting article - I never knew the connection with Helena Springfield Ltd despite being familiar with their black & white colours. Saw Milligram win the QE II all those years ago. Is it worth putting in a redirect from Helena to Meon Valley? --Bcp67 (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think a redirect might be in order as they are effectively the same thing as far as racing goes. By the way, he owner of Meon Valley, Mark Weinfeld is a genuinely nice bloke and the only owner or trainer to give a proper reply to one of my emails asking for info on former racehorses.  Tigerboy1966  20:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Take a Peep
Hi there! Can I ask you to take a peep at Peeping Fawn, which I destubbed in honour of September's victory at Royal Ascot. Not sure my mix of American and British racing terminology reads properly though. I'm thinking I must do an article for Best In Show - an incredible broodmare. Jlvsclrk (talk) 01:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

PS - I recently created Lady Angela but can't find much of anything on her as a racehorse way back when. Any suggestions? Jlvsclrk (talk) 01:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. I will take a look at Peeping Fawn: that name was a bit ironic btw as she was a great bull of a horse.  Tigerboy1966  05:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Caucasus
Hollywood Park's best grass horse in 1976. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 10:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Videogenic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 08:54, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Strategic choice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 11:36, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Sans Frontieres — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 12:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Casual Conquest

Shiva  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 10:09, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Inkerman

Rice Shower  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.162.70 (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Carribean Sunset
I apologize for erroneously changing the spelling. When I tried to investigate the horse to find out if that was it's name I found it spelled both ways (Caribbean and Carribean) and went with the proper spelling.

Sunomi64 (talk) 20:50, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * sometimes racehorse owners aren't great at spelling: see also American Pharoah.  Tigerboy1966  05:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

racehorse Bloomsbury
I've just done a brief article on Robert Ridsdale and the subject of Bloomsbury had to be covered and it was confusing. I noticed that you edit the Bloomsbury (horse) article which is great and you may have this info already: Arcot Lass was owned by Mr Cattle who sent her every year to Ridsdale at Murton Stud. Their arrangement was that Ridsdale would have first refusal on any progeny and he would not charge Mr Cattle for the stud fee. Tramp was Ridsdales stallion from 1830 till 1835 when is started to fail and became dangerous. Tramp as you know had sired St. Giles with Arcot Lass and the arrangement between Cattle and Ridsdale I understand had produce two further foals in SCROGGINS (1833) and VACUNA (1834). With the failure of Tramp, Ridsdale obtained Mulatto from Earl Fitzwilliam, perhaps on a years agreement, not sure on this. Mulatto covered Arcot lass and a foal was dropped 4 Feb 1836. In August Lord Chesterfield purchased both Arcot Lass and the foal. Because Arcot Lass, and presumably the foal were considered to be the property of Cattle and not Ridsdale, they could not be impounded by the assignee appointed to sort out Ridsdale's bankruptcy. Times Article on the court case Sidpickle (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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Respectfully, Anomalocaris (talk) 08:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for advice. done.  Tigerboy1966  08:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


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Desmond (horse)
Hello Tigerboy1966, I know that horse articles are more your forte and i was wondering and have the time of course if you could expand my article abit. D Eaketts (talk) 19:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'll definitely take a look at it in the next few days.  Tigerboy1966  20:07, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much and really appreciated that you have the time to do this. D Eaketts (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Sekiwake list
Hey there. I was dubious when I saw the sekiwake list popping up in my watchlist - but it is well done and seems to be a welcome addition to the sumo presence on wiki. Thanks for the hard work. FourTildes (talk) 12:06, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I learned a lot about sumo when putting it together. It should be easy to keep the list up to date.  Tigerboy1966  12:12, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Iroquois Steeplechase
Hi. Could you please add a table to the article with the horses, jockeys and owners?Zigzig20s (talk) 09:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm on it, working up the table in sandbox. Will post to article page when completed later today.  Tigerboy1966  09:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I wonder if it grew out of an earlier race, potentially harking back to the antebellum era.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the official site "The Iroquois Steeplechase has been Nashville’s rite of spring since 1941, a time‐honored tradition of Middle Tennesseans for seven decades. Its rich history dates back to the pasture races in Middle Tennessee during the 1930s, creating a legacy that resonates within the Nashville community."  Tigerboy1966  10:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Are you able to retrieve the info prior to the 1980s please?Zigzig20s (talk) 07:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I might be able to fill out the list of winners but I don't think I'll be able to get full details on owners, times etc. No harm in trying though.  Tigerboy1966  08:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Just do your best. It's a great help either way. I am mostly interested in the owners, but we may be able to retrieve that info through Newspapers.com later.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There are a few more winners names from the 1940s and 1950s at pedigreequery (not as reliable a source, but again it should help with newspaper searches. Jlvsclrk (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you.
Very thoughtful of you to show such encouragement re my edit to American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse. You might be interested to know that I created an article for the horse's owner, Silas B. Mason. Hope I can gather the info to sometime soon do one on trainer Crump. Stretchrunner (talk) 02:08, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Dubai Millennium
Hiya. I don't get why you'd remove DM from the category 'Thoroughbred racehorses'? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:07, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The answer is here Categorization  Tigerboy1966  06:01, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Gotcha. Ta. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Makybe Diva. Who. That.
I discovered the (loony) who changed “who” to “that” did it on 03 May 2014; and edited about 10 other horses. I changed back 2 of the first 3 I looked at, but it’s slow going. Is there a better way? (Or person?)

Weirdly he amended some things I agree with. And, also weirdly, the contributions page has c3000 edits, done rapidly; and (cursorily) look ok. And not used since 2015. MBG02 (talk) 09:37, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

article talk page
Thanks. Re the thing to put on the Talk page. Is this what you mean? And if so, how does one rate it and what are the choices. Stretchrunner (talk) 11:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

French results
Thanks for updating French race results - time is a bit limited at the moment so I'm only managing to keep on top of British & Irish races and as many G1s as I can. Was planning to update other stuff as & when time permits, so am grateful for your French edits. Merci! --Bcp67 (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Pas de probleme.  Tigerboy1966  06:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing
Do you know anybody at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing who is an Aministrator? I made a page move for jockey Ramon Domínguez and screwed it up so need some help. Thanks. Stretchrunner (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the problem? You don't usually need an admin to fix a mistake.  Tigerboy1966  14:49, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

New article?
Do you reckon that Take Cover is worth your time doing an article for? Never quite a winner at the top level but plenty of decent success over the years, and his career is coming to its end soon. --Bcp67 (talk) 20:22, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 11 stakes races, £700k and some in depth coverage so he should be ok. I would wait until he actually, definitely retires. See also Gordon Lord Byron. You know what these old sprinters are like: they "retire" and six months later it's "He was getting bored out in the field, so...".  Tigerboy1966  05:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Synchrony
but you got there first. :) Shenme (talk) 01:45, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

The Derby
Why does it seem that the Derby has lost its once lofty status as England's greatest race? I have it on my "must see before I die" list but it's on shaky grounds. Got to the Arc and our Derby and am now planning London etc. then on to Ayrshire. I have "The Ultimate Horseracing Collection" DVD set, and Shergar's Derby was pure perfection. However, now think Wimbledon may win out. Stretchrunner (talk)

Just a note on this subject: a few years ago when Frankel was the talk of the planet, the CBC (public broadcaster) did I think two consecutive Derbys which was good to see but I never did figure out any Frankel connection so maybe is was just coincidence. Stretchrunner (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

syro malabar church
Hi Tigerboy1966, regarding the recent changes reverted by you. Whatever contents edited by me is as per the historical facts. I do live in this place and belong to the nasrani community. So kindly inform me why the changes were reverted. Followerofnasarayan (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * You deleted sourced content and then made legal threats when your changes were reverted. That's why.  Tigerboy1966  22:07, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Please note that I am a Roman Catholic: there are lots of things that I would like to add or delete to articles about my faith because I know them to be true but I can't because I would have to provide neutral, reliable sources to back up my beliefs.  Tigerboy1966  22:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tigerboy1966, sorry if my comments misread as a threat, but there is issues with the content of this page as they are trying to use the titles of another church and twisting the history by using their own sources. Recent verdicts by the supreme court of India regarding the malankara church dispute has clearly mentioned that the malankara church is the ancient church in India. So it is necessary to clean up the content and also this content affects the sentiments of the ancient malankara church members. Also the page contains terms like "marthoma nasrani" which is a distorted term, as the st thomas christians were never named as marthoma nasrani. The actual name is just nasrani or Malankara nasrani. Also this is not about any faith, but about the history of the church in India, so for that please don't rely on sources from the churches--Followerofnasarayan (talk) 22:43, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Could you please provide any objections to the content I have edited?--Followerofnasarayan (talk) 22:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * As I said before, knowing that something is true is not a test that you can use on WP. I know that my cat bit me on the ankle on 11 December 2018 but I could not add that to any WP article as it was not alluded to in any reliable source. It's all about information being verifiable from reliable sources. Certain titles relating to the hierarchy of the Syro-Malabar Catholic church which were supported by reliable sources were removed without adequate explanation. If there are reliable sources which show that the titles are disputed or incorrect then an edit might be justified. Never, ever use phrases like "legal obligations will be there if the invalid titles are used" as it doesn't scare anyone and is a quick way to get banned. Please read the relevant policies before responding.  Tigerboy1966  18:16, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

The Debate Over The Naming Of The Derby Stakes.
I'm sure you are fed up with Brits of various nations arguing that the heading Epsom Derby is plain wrong. I note the debate and am not going to open it up again. I can see the confusion for Americans who make up the majority of readers. The Derby Stakes would have been correct but why wasn't the English Derby considered?. The terms Irish Derby and French Derby are in use. Epsom Derby was a poor choice. As an aside Derby Day was a bit special when I was young and in my life I must have attended thirty plus Derby's. Keep up the good work. Dorkinglad (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Similarly with The Oaks Stakes. The English Oaks Dorkinglad (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope Tigerboy doesn't mind me getting involved on this discussion his talk page! To me the race has always been just "The Derby", the original and best one and everything else a copy (or tribute!) so they need an adjective in front of Derby, but I've come to support using Epsom Derby on here as a differentiator because there is plenty of media usage of the term. I actually can't recall ever seeing the phrase English Derby at all though in my years following the sport (30+ Cheltenham Gold Cups but never, yet, a Derby). All the best to both of you, anyway. --Bcp67 (talk) 14:49, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * ITA that "The Derby" is the term I'm most familiar with. The Derby Stakes may be correct but isn't something I see used. By contrast, "Epsom Derby" is something I've seen frequently and now accept as the best compromise as a short form for the Derby held at Epsom. I note that the first sentence of the article on the race doesn't even mention the article name though, which is very strange! As for using "English Derby", I've never ever seen or heard that and feel that it actually de-emphasizes the uniqueness of The Derby. Jlvsclrk (talk) 01:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't care for English Derby: it sort of implies that there was a thing called "Derby" which took root in various situations and took on adjectives like Irish, French, Polish, Donkey, Camel, Demolition, Pinewood, Roller. The only figure of authority I recall employing the term "English Derby" was Jimmy Cagney in the film "Yankee Doodle Dandy".  Tigerboy1966  16:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Gun Runner (horse)
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:01, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry!
Always horrible when you see someone undo-ing your edit but it looked the quickest way to fix it - thank you for your thanks! --Bcp67 (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

suggest
This guy certainly deserves a Wiki article. I'd do it but it would be with an Infobox etc. Wanna do it instead?

Etienne Pollet (1911 - November 27, 1999) was a trainer of Thoroughbred racehorses whose The Independent newspaper obituary headlined that he "was one of the greatest trainers of racehorses of the 20th century."[www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-etienne-pollet-1132696.html]

Sunday Silence
Thought you’d want a heads up that I popped over to tone down some NPOV. Montanabw (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Tigerboy, why the censorship of the truth? Peteski132 (talk) 21:12, 16 June 2019 (UTC) Tigerboy - You are the biggest hypocrite and the quintessential POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!! You are totally OBSESSED with EVERYTHING involving Sunday Silence and EVERYTHING involving Japan, even the most trivial and minute. LOL- Now 3-1 "edge" doesn't sound as good as 3 out of 4 without the "edge" - LOL. And you are incapable of compromise wanting to push many ideas: SS was "better" than EG on the track and in the Japanese, American, European and worldwide breeding shed, period. No context or perspective allowed, period; SS is the greatest "worldwide" sire of all-time, much less Japan; Japan has the best horse racing worldwide, period; Anything regarding SS, even the most minute, needs to be reported in a wikipedia article (the ONLY reason why I did the same exact thing regarding EG), period; Anything Japan is the greatest in the world, even the most trivial things, period; if a sumo wrestler in Japan ate something and gained an ounce, it needs to be reported in a wikipedia article, period; if anything happened in Japan, even the most minute, it must be told in a wikipedia article, period; and an infinite, endless amount more of anything a person can think of regarding SS & Japan, must be told in wikipedia articles (the ONLY reason why I did the same exact thing regarding EG). Keio Hai Nisai, Copa Republica Argentina, Swan, Fuchu Himba, Fierement, Daily Hai Nisai, Mainichi Okan, Centaur, Shimbun Hai, Flora, Yayoi, Tulip, Tokai, Nikkei, Keihan, Miyako, Niigata, Sekiya, Ibis, Hakodate, Procyon, Haru Urara, Heian, Silk Road, and an endless amount more. Really Tigerboy??? When people give it right back to you, you don't like it and hypocritically criticize. You'd also like to disregard the Jockey Club's online pedigree database, equineline.com (which is not a trivial source by the way), for all worldwide career earnings for sires. Who's "better" in any way is totally subjective. I fully acknowledge BOTH horses greatness; and fully admire both. I did not/do not depreciate or denigrate SS at all. I am as biased or as unbiased as you are Tigerboy. Discussing anything regarding SS & Japan with tigerboy works like this: find Japanese wall, head-butt Japanese wall, repeat ad infinitum. SS, Japan, SS, Japan, SS, Japan, SS, Japan, SS, Japan, SS, Japan. Peteski132 (talk) 21:13, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

updates for FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019
Hi -- thanks for all the work you're putting into FIDE Grand Swiss Tournament 2019!

I just wanted to make sure you saw my edit comment announcing that I'll be automatically transferring the official results into the table after each round. I don't want to spoil your fun updating the results as they arrive, and it's nice to have them -- just so you know it will all soon be overwritten in bulk.

Joriki (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * No problem. It's all very exciting and I happened to have a couple of days off work so I thought I'd chip in. I'm really a horse racing editor. Just hoping that Luke McShane can keep up his good early form!  Tigerboy1966  21:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

John Porter (horseman)
Here is a link to a DRF article I thought was interesting and that you might want to add to his bio. Six miles of horse and/or buggy really says someting.  John Porter Buried at Kingsclere, Daily Racing Form, 1922-02-26