User talk:Tiggerjay/Archives 2013

Sorry
I didn't check your userpage before I deleted your edits. I just assumed it was either another sock or a WP:WEASEL edit. I will add it back for you.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redacted. Sorry x2.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:59, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

ACC
Hi Tiggerjay! I'm just popping by to remind you that you still have ACC request 87166 reserved. I just wanted to make sure you're aware of it. Best, MJ94 (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

RM Closure
Regarding your edit here, please see WP:RMCI regarding proper closing procedures. Thanks. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Considering I just closed about ten move requests, I think it's quite clear that I know how to close move requests. You moved two of the articles and Nyttend moved the third -- six hours ago. One of you should have closed it properly, but for some reason didn't. I thought I would remove the template while, presumably, one or the both of you finished whatever you were doing, so that the request wasn't showing up at WP:RM as unaddressed. --  tariq abjotu  23:23, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, however there is a difference between deleting the template and properly closing the discussion on the talk page using the template. Agreed that Nyttend should have done it, but it would have been helpful if you could have properly closed it. Thanks! Tiggerjay (talk) 23:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, hello? You're the one who chose to address the move request by moving two of the pages and tagging the third with . (I just noticed that Nyttend moved the page at your tagging and not because he separately noticed the request at WP:RM.) So, it was your responsibility to close the move request properly, not mine, seventeen hours ago. I had no intention of actually closing the move request; I just wanted to prevent others from wasting their time coming to an already-addressed request while you took your time getting around to closing it "properly". --  tariq abjotu  23:58, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, please assume some good faith here. I am not suggesting it was your responsibility to close the RM. The reason I brought it to your attention was that is seems odd that you would remove the template without properly closing the discussion, which effectively left the discussion open and unresolved. It might make the RM board cleaner, but it become utterly confusing to any editor which is looking specifically at that talk page for that article. A person experienced with RM's like you and me could tell in about 5 seconds that the move was completed and simply move along, but for people not familiar with moves, the untemplated talk section appears to be confusing and just noise. I would suggest that it would have been better to either leave the page alone or close it properly. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't roll my eyes hard enough. The tone of your remarks needed no further explanation, and I would appreciate not getting one. --  tariq abjotu  00:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

RM of talk:Nebraska Initiative Measure 416
Ahem. Is this how you, acting as the closing "administrator", determine consensus? Please explain how this edit was made in good faith. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your feedback on this, it appears to be an error, obviously deleting or removing discussions on an active item is not appropriate. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I can go back and fix this edit retroactively. But so we are on the same page, the oppose was only for Arizona Constitution Article 30, but the original move request wasn't modified to include that, and so it still stands that there was consensus for the original move. Your thoughts? Tiggerjay (talk) 23:09, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Look back at the page as it was just before you closed the RM, and note:
 * See also Talk:Arizona Proposition 200 (2004) – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There you see considerable opposition to removing parenthetical disambiguation of the year from Arizona propositions. Yet you went ahead and removed the year 2008 from Arizona Proposition 102 anyway. You're on firmer ground with Nebraska, which only has two ballot measure articles on Wikipedia, and perhaps with Colorado too, although Category:Colorado ballot measures, 2006 shows now that Colorado Amendment 43 goes against convention of other items in that category.  Colorado should defer to the outcome of Talk:Colorado Amendment 38 (2006), which was also indirectly linked by me in the comments you removed. – Wbm1058 (talk) 23:48, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe you are bringing up two seperate issues which need to be addressed seperately that I will isolate and sub section below so they can be discussed appropraitely:

Copy Edit Error
I would like to clarify that the edit I made (which you suggest is malicious) not only accidentally removed your comment, and 1 oppose; but also 2 supports - if this was intentional to skew the results in favor of a move, then it would have made sense to keep the supported, but as you can see they were also inadvertently removed. I'm not sure there is much more I can do to help make that more clear... Tiggerjay (talk) 00:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, please revert your error. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Resolved/reverted here. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion regarding parenthetical disambiguation
I understand you think that this was moved improperly and you raise a good point that there is a wider implication here. Perhaps someone is doing unhelpful things by bringing up multiple move requests on multiple pages instead of keeping them consolidated in a single location. The move closure was based on what appeared to be good consensus on the page, because ever !vote was in support of the moving of the proposed 3 pages. Do you somehow see the vote or discussion going any other direction? Tiggerjay (talk) 00:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree this was not the best constructed multi-move request as it included only isolated examples from three different states. I see that your close was in good faith. At this point, there would be no benefit in re-opening this RM.  I agree the Nebraska move isn't likely to be reversed.  I will bring up the Colorado Amendment 43 move over at Talk:Colorado Amendment 38 (2006), although it is not likely to be reversed either, and the Arizona Proposition 102 move over at Talk:Arizona Proposition 200 (2004), where I believe there is a good chance that it will be reversed. Cheers, Wbm1058 (talk) 01:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. I agree that there would be no real point in reopening this specific RM. However, it might be a good idea to see about opening a discussion on each Arizona Proposition pointing to the current ongoing discussion which is currently overwhelmingly in the oppose state. That way each article can be aware of the ongoing discussion, and perhaps all of the propositions for that state can be handled consistently. If that one does close with consensus, then perhaps bringing that specific question to other states might be a good idea. Along that lines, it might be an interesting idea to have a new sub-page over at RM that is a log of current, ongoing, wide-affecting trends in move requests, so that RM participators can be aware of overall current trends. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "it might be a good idea to see about opening a discussion on each Arizona Proposition pointing to the current ongoing discussion which is currently overwhelmingly in the oppose state."
 * —like Talk:Arizona Proposition 107 (2006), Talk:Arizona Proposition 207 (2006) and Talk:Arizona Proposition 100 (2010)? Wbm1058 (talk) 02:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm....
You have to click "Move" in the main page, NOT the talk page (as you did with the Nine O'clock News article), to move a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSH-alive (talk • contribs)


 * Thanks you are correct, in that only the talk page was moved. I have since corrected it. In the future, you can certainly perform the move yourself. Thanks again. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:59, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Women's CEV Top Teams Cup


Hello Tiggerjay. Thanks for your contribution to the Move discussion!

Can you spell out how this would work? I was about to do the requested move, since enough time has passed, but it sounds like you have a different idea. EdJohnston (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi EdJohnston! I actually boldly made the change since it didn't involve a move, but it did affect the redirect page. The result was:
 * Women's CEV Cup redirect page now points to Women's CEV Top Teams Cup
 * Women's CEV Top Teams Cup now has a hatnote of:
 * Women's Challenge Cup (volleyball) now has a hatnote of:
 * Arguably we could have moved Women's CEV Top Teams Cup to Women's CEV Cup... but with all of the name changes already involved, a change of the redirect seemed more straightforward. Your thoughts? Tiggerjay (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I see no reason why an event that is now called 'Women's CEV Cup' shouldn't be under that name. Not clear why the difficulties you describe would deter us from that result, since it's kind of obvious. The difficulties don't seem very difficult. Please let me know if you disagree. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, no objection at all, if you want to G6 the Cup page, and swap the two that would sound good to me. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Apology
I have reverted the speedy - simply have left as redirect - also your thoughtful edit is to be complimented - the least left in open space th better - cheers SatuSuro 08:56, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed - after the thought I was going to put the edit summary as "moving offwiki to email", which I sent.... No need for the apology :) Tiggerjay (talk) 08:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

make it like a celebrity page
how do you make like what the celebrities do — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jo price (talk • contribs) 18:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Joe, I need a bit more information about what you need help wiht. Tiggerjay (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks for helping me
thank you for helping me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jo price (talk • contribs) 19:16, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I have posted a few comments requesting a review by independent editors of an edit that you made at the start of 2013. I would appreciate if you could take a look when you get a second, please. Thanks. Hardlygone (talk) 10:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was on wikibreak, I will take a look later today Tiggerjay (talk) 19:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

River Lee
I have expanded my opposition there. Simply south...... walking into bells for just 6 years 19:08, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks I have replied to your reply. :) Tiggerjay (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to move Range (mathematics) to Range of a function
I see that you closed the (stale) proposal to move Range (mathematics) to Range of a function with the result "No consensus". I humbly suggest that there is in fact some sort of consensus to perform that move, with one explicit supporting !vote, two implicit supporting !votes, and one "Neutral" !vote. I have left a comment to that effect at Talk:Range (mathematics). — Tobias Bergemann (talk) 10:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Move review for Range (mathematics)
An editor has asked for a Move review of Range (mathematics). Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review. Tobias Bergemann (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notice, I haven't had the chance to review your prior post. I will place my comments on the move review page. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Was not really good support for the move of epidemiology of teenage pregnancy per the discussion here. Not really a big deal either way. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 08:35, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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There's no opposition to the guideline-based reasons to move there. The assertion that this is a primary topic was not contested; Vegaswikian ignored it, and focused on partial title matches, which are irrelevant to the discussion, and SmokeyJoe objected to the wider consensus that resulted in the Article titles policy. This should probably be closed (or relisted again) by an administrator. Peter&#160;James (talk) 11:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * While I respect your thoughts on the merits of the rename, and you might as well be correct in your perspective. However, even if the other !votes are less accurate then yours, it doesn't invalidate their arguments, and thus this issue is still without consensus. It seems like even after your !vote, SmokeJoe was still firm in his position. You are welcome to relist again if you believe that a third round will bring more attention. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
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Karma(L|l)oop
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A Time to Kill (Grisham novel)
I immediately removed "John" from the title per WP:NCBOOKS. --George Ho (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, makes sense Tiggerjay (talk) 05:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Restless (Faye Wong album)
Are there flaws in arguments? --George Ho (talk) 16:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * none at all, however it seems like the various RM are taking different directions and I am concerned that they might come to different consensus which would be bad, because consistency would be preferred. It also seems like some of the discussions are becoming redundant across mutliple articles. Lets keep the discussion going but with all of the articles in mind instead of handling them individually. Tiggerjay (talk) 17:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Mmm, is it possible to delete the Mandarin albums from the multiRM and put them in a separate Mandarin multi-RM? The problems with Cantonese titles are far more marked, WP has all kinds of Mandarin titles already. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, makes sense... If you want to go about breaking them into two different miltu-RM, go right ahead. :) Tiggerjay (talk) 18:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Still same RM, just reordered them 4 Cantonese followed by 3 Mandarin In ictu oculi (talk) 19:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for noticing BDD! Tiggerjay (talk) 00:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Ditto, barnstar from here also. but see note to I Never Cry re one close. All the best. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:23, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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I have repeated your removal of Fyunck's addition see Talk:Frédéric Vitoux (tennis). Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, wow, what nonsense... Tiggerjay (talk) 01:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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