User talk:Tim!/Archive 42

Queen's Remembrancer / Pricking the Lites
Hi. Judging by the source you've provided, it looks to me as though the Remebrancer nominates all the High Sheriffs, except those of Lancashire, Greater Manchester and Merseyside. However, your contributions state otherwise. Can you clarify this? Thanks, Craigy (talk) 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Tim. I maybe overlooking it, but can you point out where it says that the Pricking applies to the list for all High Sheriffs? Although I can't provide a searchable reference, I have it on good authority the practice applies only to Lancashire, Greater Manchester and Merseyside. Craigy (talk) 22:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:User fr-1
Hello, can you correct this template: Template:User fr-1, please? See at the right, the both links. In this case it is better to say savoir instead of pouvoir; in the colloquial speech you can also use pouvoir. See also here (1), here (2, dt.), search also yourself. Thank you very much. Greetings Jens Liebenau (talk) 13:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC) (see German Wikipedia)

Helen Atkinson-Wood
Hi, I was wondering if you remembered where you got the information for this from, in particular her birth place. Thanks,  Majorly  talk  20:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Years in space exploration
I have nominated years in space exploration for renaming to years in spaceflight. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you.  G W … 18:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Dwellers of the Forbidden City
Hi there. :) I noticed that you had participated in the deletion review of the module Dwellers of the Forbidden City, and helped to overturn the initial deletion. I just wanted to let you know that today, the article was successfully turned into a Good Article. :) BOZ (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

British people categories on Irish MPs
Hi Tim

I see that in this series of edits this morning you have added or  to all the sub-categories of.

This is wrong, because while most of those MPs were British, many were not. Up to 1922, that category includes MPs in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, of whom 100 were elected from Irish constituencies. Apart from the fact that the name of country explicitly acknowledges that Ireland is not part of Britain, many (probably most) Irish people did not identify as British, and most of those elected in 1918 were members of Sinn Fein, who explicitly rejected the notion that they were British. The same applies to a lesser extent since 1922, because there are plenty of Republican MPs from Northern Ireland who also reject the label "British".

Please could you therefore remove the "xth-century British people" category from the categories for MPs, at least up to 1922.

This usage of the term British is a very controversial area (see British people), and has been the subject of several long-running disputes on wikipedia (see e.g. Talk:Terminology_of_the_British_Isles), and it would be a pity these tensions arising yet again.

Thanks!

(BTW, I have watchlisted this page, so you can reply here). -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:48, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

No because,
 * a) These categories are applied to other categories and not to individual articles.
 * b) I imagine at some point there will exist Category:19th-century Irish people etc. which many of the articles will be directly or indirectly members of.
 * c) I don't see any problem with WP:NPOV in describing indirectly a UK MP as being British when the adjective is commonly used, not least in law, to describe UK citizens.

Tim! (talk) 08:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Tim, sorry for my slow reply. However, your reference to British nationality law does not ascribe the term "British" to 19th-century citizens of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and actually says specifically that "Until 1914 British nationality law was uncodified."
 * So it's purely a British POV that ascribes the term "British" to Irish members of the UK Parliament, who made up about 1/6th of the House of Commons.
 * Whether or not there may exist in the future a category Category:19th-century Irish people is irrelevant to the question of whether the British categories are accurately applied in this case. The best case that I can see for your view is in History of British nationality_law, which suggests that those born within the British Empire were in law "British subjects", but does not even mention the status of Irish people ... and in any case does not distinguish people "British people" (the term in these categories) and "British subjects" -- the later term would include for example the entire population of India.
 * I will therefore remove the or  from the MPs categories before 1922. Many of those in these categories will of course be individually classifiable in   or, should you wish to undertake that task. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see this edit . Tim! (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Amerigo bonasera
This page is entitled Amerigo bonasera and not Amerigo Bonasera as it should be...what can be done about it, please...? Jon Ascton (talk) 20:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Corp gov reports
Your bot or you added categories that a series of Corporate Governance reports were from the UK govt. I think this is incorrect, so could you please reverse those changes (Greenbury Report etc) - also you're trying to change the name of  etc, which is really annoying, because it'll take much longer to write out. So can you please take that down too, Tim!  Wik idea  11:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Woops, I wrote those pages. I must've been rushed. In fact they were commissioned by the CBI, the Financial Reporting Council, Accountancy associations, and various other professional bodies. Some later ones did report for government, but in fact they were largely private initiatives. I'll correct the text if you correct the categories.  Wik idea  19:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. The one you can leave with the cat is probably the Higgs Report - but technically it was an independent report commissioned by the Treasury and DTI.  Wik idea  19:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Novels by character
Category:Novels by character, which you created, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Three Lions
Hi Tim, I've just noticed the article about the song "Three Lions" has been moved without consensus to Three Lions (song) leaving quite a few articles on a redirect. I don't really see any real need for the disambiguation, though, and I was wondering if it could be moved back pending discussion. Thanks. Bob talk 00:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello, it's sorted now. Sorry about that. Bob talk 09:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)