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WP District of Columbia in the Signpost
"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject District of Columbia for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors
I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 02:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for L'Enfant Plaza Hotel
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   18:02, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Icon group
I found a talk page where you thought because something was copied from an Icon group publication it was copyvio. It's most likely the other way round, Icon republishes Wikipedia articles. Dougweller (talk) 14:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Vlastimil Koubek
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   00:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Block
I guess this is where I communicate with you, which seems odd...but why did you block my revision? I was just editing a simple typo and you blocked me for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.7.41 (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe you are mistaken. I don't have the power to block any users from editing Wikipedia. Looking at the Talk page for the anonymous ISP you are posting from, I don't see any block on the account at all.  In fact, you made a change to Teamsters on Feb. 4, which was appropriate as far as I can see, and was not rolled back by anyone. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:51, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I apologize, after posting I got some message stating I was blocked or it wouldn't allow the change and it showed your name. I can no longer find that message, but thanks for your help in clarifying this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.7.41 (talk) 19:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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Nicky Scarfo Jr.
I've re-removed the image from the infobox on this article. This individual is a living person, is not incarcerated, and is not a fugitive from the law. As such, a non-free image of him is considered replaceable under WP:NFCC #1, and under Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy #3. Please do not restore the image again. If you have questions, ask. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's only an orphan because you yourself removed it from the infobox in the article to which it was being used. I've re-added it.  If the image fails fair use, then remove it.  Otherwise, it would be inappropriate (I feel) to remove it from the article and then claim orphan status. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:27, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
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DYK nomination of Surface bargaining
Hello! Your submission of Surface bargaining at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hoover Field
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Airport
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Washington-Hoover Airport
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Surface bargaining
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

on the Samuel Gompers quote
You are making a lot of fuss over nothing. My intent was to spell out my lack of success in resolving the passage into a single quotation, and from your resolution of the matter, I see that I was right correct in suspecting that it was not a single passage. As to whether Gompers repeated his rhetoric, I don't and didn't care about that; the repetition was important only insofar as it made it difficult to identify a correct source for the quote. Please do not attribute to me issues or intents which I haven't raised.

And again, I thank you for tracking down the various pieces and citing them. Mangoe (talk) 21:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

L'Enfant Plaza or The Portals?
You're right, by gadfry. I'd forgotten about that image. I took it thinking it illustrated L'Enfant, and uploaded it accordingly, but then discovered that I was wrong. Thanks for pointing it out - how should I go about getting it corrected at Commons? -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 04:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I learned how to do this yesterday! :)  On the image you want to change, insert the following code:   .  "newname.ext" is the new file name and its extension (e.g., "L'Enfant Plaza South.jpg").  "rationale" is the reason for changing the file name.  I did this for this file on WikiCommons last night: File:South Building - LEnfant Plaza - Washington DC.jpg. I mistakenly called it "East Building" and the filename got changed overnight. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

VA v. WV
Just redit the edit. I'm not sure how to cite in wiki, but I used the book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War" by H.W. Crocker III which states that AK, VA, TN, and NC did not want to suppress the Southern States. Everything I've read stated that the first seven states left over slavery related issues, but states that left after Ft. Sumter fell were angry over Lincoln calling for troops. The movie Gods and Generals captured this sentiment with statements such as "just as we would never invade another state" and "I never though I'd see the day when a President of the United States would raise an army to invade his own country." Emperor001 (talk) 04:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything I've read says that Virginia seceded over slavery; the Northern response to the Southern attack on Ft. Sumter merely enhanced the majority. I hestitate to use a fiction film as evidence for an encyclopedia article. You've been on Wikipedia for four years; please read WP:CITE for how to add citations and sources. The guideline is that when sources differe on facts or interpretation, both sources should be cited.  Both inteprretations or facts should be included. And the article text should make it clear that sources differ as to the cause.  Neither you nor I matter in this issue; Wikipedia is about sources. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on work on the expansion of the Nassif Building article
I, Jim856796, would like to congratulate you and Billy Hathorn on the expansion of the article of the former Nassif Building (although you did most of the work yourself). Also, you have edited the L'Enfant Plaza Hotel article, I can congratulate you on that, also. And have you greatly expanded any other building-related articles? Jim856796 (talk) 03:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Gee, thanks! I'm glad you liked the improvements. I did the articles you can see in DYKs above -- which are about local airports, rather than buildings, I guess.  The L'Enfant Plaza Hotel article is a really major expansion that happened recently, and although it's about an architect rather than a building I hope you might enjoy the Vlastimil Koubek article too. I've done other articles (Andrew W. Mellon Auditorium, Benjamin Ogle Tayloe House, Cutts-Madison House, Federal Triangle, Pennsylvania Avenue National Historic Site, and a couple of articles about dams) that I'm secretly proud of.  But those are older articles. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nassif Building
Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK Issues
Hi Tim, I've fixed the issues you noted at Template talk:Did you know. —  Ancient Apparition •  Champagne?  • 11:55am • 00:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for United States v. Lee
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   16:03, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Charles Moyer
Hi Tim, i have added some content to one section of Charles Moyer.

I tried to keep all source notes intact. However, you may wish to insure that the notes properly apply to the content that they follow.

It is challenging to add content when all the notes are at the end of the paragraph, rather than following each sentence.

best wishes, Richard Myers (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Volkmar Wentzel
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * He is now featured on Portal:Germany. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to place it there yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Constitution Center (Washington, D.C.) GA nomination
On March 28, 2011, I have nominated the Constitution Center (Washington, D.C.) article for GA (Good Article) status. The person doing this review is User:Racepacket. So far, the article has passed in the following areas: But the remaining areas are questionable: I have made the first three corrections on April 5, but it is unknown how construction of the Metro impacted the Nassif Building. The Metro was established in 1976, and the L’Enfant Plaza Metro Station opened in 1977.
 * No original research
 * Focused
 * Fair representation without bias
 * No edit wars
 * Images are copyright-tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales
 * Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions.
 * "a high-rise office building" - not by the standard in most cities. Please delete "high-rise".
 * "Demolition faced almost all structures in Southwest Washington and was to have begun in 1950, "->"Original plans called for the demolition of almost all structures in Southwest Washington beginning in 1950,"
 * "it in 2009 and 2010, but chose not to"->"it in 2009 and 2010, but chose not to do so."
 * You state the metro entrance for the first time in the Rennovation section. Describe it in the "Original structure" section. How did construction of Metro impact the building?


 * MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * Expand lead to include current tennants.


 * References to sources:
 * Washington Post says 1.9 million sq ft but article says 1.4 million. Which is it?


 * Citation of reliable sources where necessary


 * Major aspects:
 * Did Stone receive any awards or recognition for his design?
 * Are there any fitness centers, auditoriums, or other amenities?
 * Consider describing relationship and access to I-395.
 * Perhaps include names of the two art works.
 * Perhaps state DOT's new location after it vacated the building.
 * Prior to the rennovation, there was not retail space on the ground floor other than some food vendors. How is the ground floor being leased now? One of the professed advantages to having leased office buildings instead of federally owned buildings was that the retail space on the ground floor would create more of a street-scape and would attract pedestrian shoppers. Do you have any press coverage of the street-scape at present?

I can't answer all these questions alone, you'll have to answer some of them since you expanded the article. This is my first GA nomination and I do not want it to fail. Jim856796 (talk) 11:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll get to work on this today. Some of these questions are asking us to do original research. For example, I know that the building has no ground-level retail (I transfer at L'Enfant Plaza Metro stop twice a day in front of this building). But I doubt anyone has reported on that aspect of the building yet. One strategy might be to access the builder's Web site, but that isn't an unbiased source. We'll see how it goes. Keep your fingers crossed!  I'm sure the article will be OK. - Tim1965 (talk) 12:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Washington Masonic National Memorial
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

What fantastic work on this article. Thanks for all of your effort. —  AjaxSmack  23:17, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It was a bear to research. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Mary Surratt article
Hi Tim1965,

I see you've been doing a lot of work adding a large amount of content to the Mary Surratt article. Generally I think it's very good work. But I'm concerned that the sheer density of citations is getting out of hand. Citing every or every other sentence tends to disrupt the narrative flow. I raised this concern on the talk page but you have not responded. It would be good to engage on the talk page rather than simply continuing. --Trovatore (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've not been paying attention to the talk page while trying to improve the article. I had no idea there was a comment there. Thanks for the head's up. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Charles Elliott Perkins
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DYK of Charles Elliott Perkins
I left a comment under the DYK nom. Please leave your response on my talk page. Thanks!  upstate NYer  21:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks good; thanks for looking into it.  upstate NYer  03:59, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Deutsch
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Constitution Center
Tim, nice entry, very thorough research.

I am the architect for the recent renovation of the building. If you would be interested in chatting about some minor corrections and additional information, I'd love to help with your article - there are a few technical issues we could straighten out, and maybe some additional information could be added. I am new here, so I'm not sure how to make contact.

DV600 (talk) 11:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Black Eagle Dam
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Black Eagle Dam article
Greetings User Tim1965. Your new article on Black Eagle Dam is as fine an introductory article as I've ever seen at Wikipedia. No, it is the finest. It looks like it's been there for five years with constant improvement from a bevvy of contributors and earnest editors.

One observation, however: it is grievously over-cited. Not in total number of sources: that is widely admirable; rather in individual passages being dramatically over-cited (in proportion to their relevance, to no material gain). For example,


 * The same year, a public boathouse was constructed on Black Eagle Memorial Island for use by canoeists, kayakers, and other watercraft; observation decks; public restrooms; and parking lot.[177][74][178][115].

Honestly, the construction of a boathouse does not warrant four individual citations. Any one with a legitimate provenance (where neither the fact nor the source of it is in question) would be sufficient.

Hopefully you can do some winnowing in your spare time. If you have reason to believe even the best cite for a fact may not be available online in the foreseeable future it may be reasonable to backstop it with a second, particularly if the matter being cited is potentially contentious and demands unbroken citation. But not two and three and four times for run of the mill entries.

Again, lest it be obscured, hearty congratulations at a superb effort. It's so good I found myself when reading it considering it as an examplar to direct skeptics to who have low opinions of Wikipedia (and inadequate exposure to hold them). That good. Cheers. Wikiuser100 (talk) 15:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Elliott Perkins
The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Boston and Montana Consolidated Copper and Silver Mining Company
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

May 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
.--Kumioko (talk) 02:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Great Falls High School
The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Benefis Health System
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:03, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK issue with Joan Martorell
Hello Tim, thanks for reviewing my DYK nom. I probably should have been more explicit in the nomination to note that I had been working on it in my user space for a while before moving it to the main space last night, making it eligible for DYK. If you agree, would you mind taking another look at the nom and re-evaluate it? (That orange X is so unsightly...) Thanks! Cmprince (talk) 15:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Four Seasons Arena
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Montana ExpoPark
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for First Peoples Buffalo Jump State Park
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Iknowwhythecagedbirdkills2.jpg
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Wow! and WOW
Hey, terrific job on the Pryor Mountains Wild Horse Range. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, an FYI that I just grabbed a bunch of your work and spun it off into Pryor Mountain Mustang and Wild and Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971, both of which are articles I have desperately wanted to see in Wikipedia for a long time. The Act was redlinked in several articles and this solved many a problem. I put a "split" tag on the talk page of each, crediting your article, but if there is anything further I need to do to provide you backslaps, attaboys and other credit where credit is due, just holler! But anyway, wow and thanks for creating a great article, and I hope you don't view my spinoffs as content forks. In fact, if you'd like to contribute some of your research to the Mustang (horse) article, I'd be happy to see additions, corrections and clarifications there. Montanabw (talk) 06:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm totally flattered!! - Tim1965 (talk) 14:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Dana boomer thought just the Pryor Mustang spinoff alone was suitable for GA with perhaps a bit of minor work. I told her to peek at your article instead.  The only thing I'd want to see in your core article is waaaayyyy fewer parenthetical statements (I killed several, but there are still too many) and maybe do a wee bit more organizing of material, a wee bit of rearranging.  The research is tremendous, you really did an outstanding job!  The only quibble I have, and I'll have to review original sources before I make actual suggestions, is that there is really no such thing as a "Spanish Barb," per se.  That might be what the researchers used for terminology, but they actually meant the Colonial Spanish Horse, which was a blend of types that included everything the Conquistadors could put on a boat, including the Barb, the Andalusian horse and probably some breeding from the Arabian horse as well as input from some of the native Iberian horse breeds such as the Sorraia (In fact, Mustangs and Sorraia look a LOT alike, particularly in the grullo coloring.)  "Breeds" as we know them today were in their infancy then.  The earliest breed-wide pedigrees (as opposed to the private records of individual breeders and stud farms) date only to about the 13th century Carthusian monks, and breed registries as we think of them today were developed around the late 1700s with The Jockey Club and such.  Down the road, I'd like to swipe some of the stuff you raised in your parentheticals on the question of whether Mustangs are reintroduced or invasive for the Mustang article.  We've been doing A BUNCH of work on the newest research on domestication of the horse in general and the DNA studies are absolutely fascinating.


 * Anyway, as you can tell, I could go on forever about this stuff, it's mind-bogglingly cool (is "mind-bogglingly" a word?). But for the Mustang, the bottom line is that the horse clearly evolved in North America, it also clearly became extinct in North America in a timeframe that corresponded with both climate change and the arrival of humans.  The people who assert that there were remnant surviving populations of true wild horses in America don't really have a leg to stand on, but I DO think that the comparison of ancient pre-extinction horse DNA, if it can be obtained, to that of modern animals to answer the question of whether they share common ancestry is truly a great question to study.  I'm personally leaning toward the "reintroduced native species" camp, but my god the emotionality of people on the issue is just so crazy on all sides.  Horses in the wild are kind of like the wolf issue, I remember one bunch of people (not me) arguing against wolf reintroduction on the grounds that there were no "pure" wolves left, that they all had either coyote or dog DNA.  I find that argument specious, as the point is the role that a creature plays in the ecosystem based on its characteristics.  (Mother Earth News just ran a great article on the impact of "keystone" species in shaping an ecosystem.  Also interesting).  Well, OK, enough already.  Put that article up for GA, dude, but go find Dana and ask her for a review.  She's the goddess behind Horses in World War I and her ability to get an article whipped into shape to please the wiki-gods is unmatched!   Montanabw (talk) 17:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "Mind-bogglingly" is totally a word! (I was Cascade County Spelling Bee 3rd runner up, so I'm an expert.)  It took me forever to get that Pryor Mountains Wild Horse Range done.  I'm absolutely not an expert in this, but did want to add the article because it just seemed neat. (I only did the article because I'd also done the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks and First Peoples Buffalo Jump State Park articles, and that redlink kept taunting me over and over...  "I dare you to make an article out of me!  Nyah"!)  I'm absolutely uninformed about horses, and I freely admit I'm using terminology in the article that is meaningless to me.  (Like "Spanish Barb"...a term the sources keep using.  They could have used the name "Baggypants McSpooner" and I'd have repeated it in the article.)  And funny thing is, I work today for a veterinary organization and have met the two vets mentioned in the article!  (That was some of the last stuff I came across before moving the piece to articlespace.)  The article needs serious wordsmithing, but right now I'm seeing cross-eyed on that article.  (Plus, someone just nominated Green Line (Washington Metro)‎ for GA review, and I wrote most of that.  Now I'm fearful I'm going to be asked to help whip that in shape for GA, too.)  I'd love to see someone else take a few whacks at the article first.


 * And, oh, I hope the article doesn't get caught in the feral/wild debate. I tried to play a balancing role because I found the article tending toward a pro-horse tilt (because the article is about a refuge), and thought I should use the other term as a balance.  I was amazed to discover that people say "We can't have horses there, because it's not 50,000 BC any more and the landscape and environment have changed."  Well, geez, it's not lava-covered or marshland, for crying out loud!  What a ludicrous argument.  (But then, reading some wild horse advocates' comments have been similar howlers.  Some of the arguments made there, too, are just eye-poppingly outrageous.)  But I can't really make informed judgments about that, because everything I know about horses I learned from watching John Wayne movies and National Velvet. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have it watchlisted and if trouble starts, I'll tap the crew at WPEQ (WikiProject Equine), we've been dealing with that issue at the Mustang article for years, it never gets too bad so far because it's usually anonymous IP "drive by" edits with a totally overemotional tone, and they promptly get reverted. We try to explain the reintroduced/introduced issue in a balanced way, and as the science for paleolithic survivors into modern times is pretty much zero, it is simply a matter of semantics.  You may find it interesting to read Brumby, as in Australia, they are most certainly an introduced species, yet still have advocates who want to preserve them just as much as the American Mustang.  Quite interesting.  You think this has the potential for controversy, you really must hang out at rodeo when the PETA crowd hits it, which happens about once every couple of years, inevitably resulting in some bans, and lots of sound and fury :-P  BTW, I was born in GF, my dad used to ranch in the Golden Triangle.   Montanabw (talk) 06:36, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That's amazing! I grew up in Great Falls, and only left when I went to college. (I also did the Great Falls High School, Black Eagle Dam, Great Falls (Missouri River), Montana ExpoPark, Four Seasons Arena, and Benefis Health System  articles as well.  Some day, I'm going to do an article on the "Economy of Great Falls" just because.) - Tim1965 (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * My mom (now in her 80s) graduated from GFHS. Have you ever seen the Monte Dolack painting "Montana History Lesson"?  Anyone with any understanding of that world will get it in one.  Great fun!   Montanabw (talk) 01:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)  Oh, and I loked at your GFHS article--in my very tender years, I DID see Kennedy in Great Falls, though I must confess that I was in a stroller at the time and have no direct memory, though my mom has recounted the story endlessly!   Montanabw (talk) 02:19, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That GFHS article is woefully lacking in anything about the school between 1930 and 1980 (the year I entered). I wish there was published oral history from people like your mom who'd been there in the early days. I have zero access to the Leader or Tribune from back then. (Thank you very ****ing much Gannett!) I initially created a list of acts which appeared at Four Seasons, but realized it was so incomplete that I couldn't include it. So I did a section on "firsts" instead. And yeah, I have seen that Monte Dolack print!  In real life, no less.  It's on the cover of some Montana history book, too. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I have her senior scrapbook. I should scan.  I wonder if microfilm still exists of those old papers?  I KNOW I got copies of the Trib from the Kennedy visit that way, back in the 80s, I had to get it via interlibrary loan, but I think the source was either MSU or the Great Falls Public Library.  If it's worth it to you, maybe ask User:Mike Cline to check at the MSU Library to see if they still have that sort of thing.  I used to live down in the basement there as an undergrad looking at microfilm and microfiche of various stuff.   Montanabw (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 23:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Charles Edward Merriam
Edit to Merriam is constructive and is not vandalism. From the text of the article, it is undeniable that Merriam's serving as "an advisor to several presidents" (an exact quote from the article) is one of the critical aspects of his notability as a political scientist; a reference to same, therefore, is appropriate in the lead paragraph, along with the summary reference to his academic work--the latter of which already is in the lede. You might not like my edit but as a matter of logic (and as a mere summary of several words in the lede) the edit is neither unconstructive nor vandalism. Rather, it enhances the lede in summarizing: 1) the tripartite nature of Merriam's notability, and 2) what is to come. In this context, your reversion of my edit and your labelling it "vandalism" is in itself vandalism at worst and is unconstructive at best. Your reversion apparently demonstrates only that having contributed to this article, a) you may view any edit which you do not understand or with which you disagree as inappropriate, and b) you may then seek to banish such an edit by describing it as vandalism or unconstructive. I work seriously in Wikipedia; I have never been accused of vandalism; and I do not appreciate your unexplained and capricious charge of vandalism here. I have reverted your edit. I will do you the honor of not yet accusing you of vandalism and of not yet placing a vandalism tag on your talk page. Please remove at once the vandalism tag you have placed on my talk page. Given the foregoing, if you refuse to remove the vandalism notice, I will have it removed. The new text from the lede follows:

"Charles Edward Merriam, Jr. (November 15, 1874 – January 8, 1953) was a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, founder of the behavioralistic approach to political science,[citation omitted] and an advisor to several U.S. Presidents. Upon his death, The New York Times called him "one of the outstanding political scientists in the country".[citation omitted]

67.80.116.79 (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Instead of running around accusing people of things, why don't you ask why the change was made? (I can't help but notice that you accused me on "your" talk page of not having read the article at all, and now you are accusing me of "ownership" and a host of other sins.  What a change in tune!)  The fact is, I misread the edit.  My bad.  But you want to accuse people instead of assume good faith...  So be it. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You should have attempted to explain before or as you made your charge of vandalism. As I stated, "I do not appreciate your unexplained...charge of vandalism here." As for my talk page, my amended statement there--to which you have responded here and which you have erased from my talk page--is exactly the same here as it was there. Your removing "my" statement from my talk page is vandalism. I appreciate your removing "your" unfounded statements from my talk page. In light of the foregoing, "But you want to accuse people instead of assume good faith... So be it" and "What a change in tune!" are disingenuous and ridiculous. 67.80.116.79 (talk) 00:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Pryor horses
Excellent work! Glad it's going to be a lead DYK. I was going to put in a lead slot but someone beat me to it, but it's there and that's what's important. We don't get many horse articles.BarkingMoon (talk) 10:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I know nothing about horses (I rode one twice as a kid), so it's especially nice to know that someone who does thinks it's a good article. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Way to go Tim, you need further horsey help, feel free to drop any of us a line.  Montanabw (talk) 00:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is, I work for a veterinary medical education group, and one of the vets on site is an equine vet. How funny is that! - Tim1965 (talk) 02:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's your karma, dude! Or Twilight Zone, or... LOL!   Montanabw (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ride 'em, cowboy. It's up! Awwww.... lookit that mama horse with her baby! - Tim1965 (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Great work!  Montanabw (talk) 18:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * On an unrelated note, I reverted that edit another user made about Louis-Joseph Gaultier de La Vérendrye and toned down some language he inserted that could potentially be viewed as offensive.  The editor may have been correct about Verendrye being the guy who saw horses and he was not HBC, but as you have the source material, I figured you'd want to check to see if the source said HBC, and then, if so, to look into their sources -- Verendrye WAS in Montana around 1743-ish and DID hang with the Crow tribe a bit, so may need to dovetail two sources.  See Malone & Roeder pp 24-25 and K.Ross Toole pp 21-23.   Montanabw (talk) 18:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pryor Mountains Wild Horse Range
Calmer  Waters  00:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism from User talk:97.85.163.245
You marked the talk page as shared and responsible for possible vandalism. I've looked through the history of edits prior to April 1st when you posted this and can not find evidence of the vandalism. What were you referring to? 97.85.163.245 (talk) 09:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What talk page? Not User talk:97.85.163.245 : I marked that as shared, but not vandalism. (Are you referring to that little box in the Shared notice?  It's not a vandalism tag.  That's in every Anonymous Shared IP page's "shared" tag, if it has one.)  Or are you referring to another talk page? - Tim1965 (talk) 12:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

So "In response to vandalism from this IP address, abuse reports may be sent to its network administrator for investigation." is just a standard part of the blurb of that shared IP macro. Understood. 97.85.163.245 (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Soldiers Chapel
Thought you may be interested in this. I've listed it at DYK nom's page. BarkingMoon (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2011 (UTC)