User talk:Tim1965/TalkArchives18

Global account
Hi Tim1965! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 14:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I never unified my accounts for a good reason: If Wikipedia is hacked, all my accounts are hacked.  Keeping distinct accounts provides security.  But, Wiki Foundation didn't see it that way... - 172.11.52.26 (talk) 15:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, completely understood. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 15:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll unify once I get home (I'm on Xmas vacation). - 172.11.52.26 (talk) 15:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

File:Austrian ambassador's residence.JPG
On your Flickr photo of this building, you said it was designed by Appleton P. Clark Jr. I'm writing an article on him and that's the only building of his I can't find a source. Do you remember where you read he designed it? I know he designed Crounse's other house and there's several references for that one, like this. But I can't find anything for the Wyoming Avenue house. APK whisper in my ear  07:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm almost sure I took the info from the National Trust's pamphlet they distributed during the Kalorama House Tour in 2013. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Crounse ordered construction of the builidng in 1925 at a cost of $87,000 ("Building Permits Increase $162,350", Washington Evening Star, 07-18-1925, p. 15) and began living there on June 26, 1926 ("Society Breaking Ranks for Fashionable Resorts," The Sunday Star, 06-27-1926, pp. 43-44 (info on p. 44)). But I'm almost sure the pamphlet was the origination of the information on Clark. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, muchas gracias. APK  whisper in my ear  17:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Homestead strike
I haven't been on Wiki for a while, so I may be a bit out of touch on the new conventions, but I was wondering what the basis was for reverting a deletion I made regarding an item that was patently false in the above captioned article. I appreciate hearing from you. - DocGov (talk) 17:07, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it's not patently false. First, whether you or I believe a fact is right or wrong, WP:CITE says that Wikipedia relies solely on published, unbiased sources. The fact in question (Carnegie Steel existed and was not unionized for 40 years) was cited with a published, unbiased source.  For you or I to correct the fact violates WP:Original, Wikipedia's ban on original research.  Second, the fact is not "patently" false.  Carnegie Steel continued to exist as a subsidiary of US Steel for many decades after its absorption into US Steel.  US Steel retained the names for a number of its subsidiary companies long after their absorption into the parent firm. Other subsidiaries of US Steel may hae unionized, but the Carnegie Steel subsidiary did not.  Third, assuming you found a published, unbiased source that said "the name Carnegie Steel was never used by US Steel after 1902", WP:CITE lays out a specific way of dealing with facts which are in conflict. "Both" (there may be many conflicting) facts should be discussed in the article, and both cited with published, unbiased sources. The conflict in published sources should be noted in the text by the editors.  For example, see the section "The Maine disaster" in the article USS Maine Mast Memorial. in some situations, the majority of sources clearly agree on one fact, while one or two other sources disagree.  In that case, editors may wish to cite the majority-supported fact in the text, while adding a footnote (and inline citation) that documents the contradictory fact.  For example, see the section "Revealing the secret to the cast" in the article Broadchurch (series 1) (where Chris Chibnall says he told actor Matthew Gravelle about his role as the murderer in a TV show two weeks ahead of time; in one lone news article, Chibnall says he told Gravelle "the night before", and that contradictory fact is footnoted and cited). WP:CITE clearly warns editors against trying to say "this source is better than that source".  The violates WP:Original, substituting an editor's opinion for that of a published, unbiased source. That's why mentioning contradictory facts is the way through the conflict. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Broadchurch spoilers revisited
Hi Tim, I notice the spoiler content in the lead at Broadchurch keeps getting changed back and forth, (your recent reversion here), for instance. I'm well aware of WP:SPOILER and WP:NOTCENSORED. I've not been reinstating the spoilers in the lead because I'm not sure it belongs there. Anecdotally-speaking, there is less resistance to include spoilers in relevant sections, like plot summaries, where a reader might reasonably expect to find such information, and could reasonably avoid spoiling it for themselves. That has been the crux of previous discussions on the matter. I'm not sure if being explicit in the lead is necessarily the best way to go. On the other hand, I also know that encyclopedias should serve an academic purpose first and foremost, and not concern itself with the entertainment value of the content it is delivering. I don't plan to fight you on this, just thought I'd drop a note. Regards! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Dupont and Gomorrah watering hole
I'm having trouble finding any information about the Dupont Circle Fountain dedication ceremony. (mentioned here) I looked for newspaper articles in my usual ways (here, here and here), but the only thing I found were two mentions of First Lady Florence Harding and Secretary of the Navy Edwin Denby attending the ceremony. You seem to have supernatural powers when it comes to finding sources. Can you look for some when you get some free time? APK whisper in my ear  01:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh man, easy peasy! I added the cite to the article, but here's the article itself . There are actually three or four articles about the fountain around that date, but I got just the one for you. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Muchas gracias! After I left the above message, I found two articles on the Chronicling America link.  I searched "Dupont" and "fountain" instead of "Dupont Circle" "fountain" and had better luck.  But your link has a lot more information.  I'll work on it this evening.  Thanks for your help.  APK  whisper in my ear  02:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I did, google "Dupont" and "fountain" as separate words. If you need more info, let me know. I didn't even check NRHP or LOC HABS sites. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And here are some more articles, in PDF form, you might enjoy:, , , , , , and . Having a D.C. Public Library patron ID gives me free access to WaPo and Evening Star archives for free. Plus, the interfaces are tons better than the WaPo pay-to-view archiver, and about 10,000 times faster! You need a friend in D.C., my friend. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, those will come in handy. I saw those last two sources in the WaPo archives, but I could only see the first sentence or two.  I had an ID at some point.  I'm not sure where my old library card is hiding...  Thanks for the links.  APK  whisper in my ear  04:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Interested in an informal PR?
Hi Tim, I am planning to take Bazy Tankersley to FAC soon. (Yes, she was a horsey person) I ran a PR on it several months back and have some good comments to help improve it, but I'm looking for one more set of eyes on it before I  run it up the FAC flagpole  Comments on the article talk page are all I need, and my ego can handle your critique. I'm picking on you in part due to your base in Washington, DC, and it's her years in Washington that I want to be sure are covered properly - she was a friend of Joseph McCarthy in the 50s, but wound up evolving and voted for Obama in 2008! Fascinating lady. I kind of know what I want to add to the horse sections, but it's also helpful to have a not-very-horsey person look those bits over too. Interested? Montanabw (talk) 00:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I can help a little, but I'm in the process of moving and after the end of this week don't have much time. But I'll do what I can! - Tim1965 (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Museum hacks and museum edits
 Hello there!

Upcoming events:


 * February 6–8: The third annual ArtBytes Hackathon at the Walters Art Museum! This year Wikimedia DC is partnering with the Walters for a hack-a-thon at the intersection of art and technology, and I would like to see Wikimedia well represented.
 * February 11: The monthly WikiSalon, same place as usual. RSVP on Meetup or just show up!
 * February 15: Wiki Loves Small Museums in Ocean City. Mary Mark Ockerbloom, with support from Wikimedia DC, will be leading a workshop at the Small Museum Association Conference on how they can contribute to Wikipedia. Tons of representatives from GLAM institutions will be present, and we are looking for volunteers. If you would like to help out, check out "Information for Volunteers".

I am also pleased to announce events for Wikimedia DC Black History Month with Howard University and NPR. Details on those events soon.

If you have any questions or have any requests, please email me at james.hare@undefinedwikimediadc.org.

See you there! – James Hare

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Wikimedia DC celebrates Black History Month, and more!
 Hello again!

Not even a week ago I sent out a message talking about upcoming events in DC. Guess what? There are more events coming up in February.

First, as a reminder, there is a WikiSalon on February 11 (RSVP here or just show up) and Wiki Loves Small Museums at the Small Museum Association Conference on February 15 (more information here).

Now, I am very pleased to announce:


 * Tuesday, February 17 from 10 AM to 3 PM there will be #WikiTurgy at the University of Maryland. Join fellow theatre enthusiasts for a “mass act of public dramaturgy!”
 * Thursday, February 19 from 10 AM to 4 PM we are hosting the Howard University Black History Edit-a-Thon. We are working in partnership with the Moorland-Spingarn Research Center to improve Wikipedia’s coverage of African-American and African diasporic history.
 * Tuesday, February 24 from 6 PM to 8 PM we have the Black History Month “First Edit” at NPR. Help improve Wikipedia and help others make their first edit to Wikipedia!
 * Finally, our monthly dinner meetup is on Saturday, February 28.

There is going to be a lot going on, and I hope you can come to some of the events!

If you have any questions or need any special accommodations, please let me know.

Regards,

James Hare

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It's me again, Margaret...
For my next trick, I'll be magically transforming George Gordon Meade Memorial into something worthwhile. Can you provide copies of two WaPo articles? They're listed at the bottom of the page: "President Accepts Meade Memorial In Behalf of Country" and "Arts Beat: Back in Place." If you can help me with this, I'll name my first born after you. (although other kids may make fun of a name like Tim1965) APK  whisper in my ear  02:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're to have kids, you'll have to impregnate me first. I'll get the articles and get them to you ASAP! - Tim1965 (talk) 02:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought that was Dave Franco's job? Thanks!  APK</b>  whisper in my ear  02:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * BOTH Francos, an Efron, three of the original Bel Ami boys, and two angels in heaven (Johnny Rahm and Lon Flexx). But I digress. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:11, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and here is the first file and the second file. If you need more articles, just give me a shout. - Tim1965 (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Muchas gracias mi amigo homosexual. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b>  whisper in my ear  22:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

You're no longer in D.C.? <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  18:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No longer in the Nation's Capital, no. I moved to Cleveland Heights, Ohio, on Feb. 10.  Long story shorter:  I inherited land in 2009 near Arnegard, North Dakota, and the state purchased a chunk of it in 2011 for a highway bypass.  That left me with a huge chunk of change, with which I decided to buy a house.  I could have used it all (and added about $350,000 in debt) to buy in the District, but was unwilling to do that.  I searched in Maryland and Virginia, but never found anything to my liking.  Friends in NYC suggested I look there, as I didn't have many friends left in D.C.  I looked at NYC and its environs, but still nothing.  Friends in Cleveland said, "Well, so long as you're willing to try New York City, why not Cleveland?"  I like Cleveland (very foodie, very artsy, about where D.C. was 15 years ago in terms of gentrificatiion), so looked here.  I saw four houses during Christmas, and purchased my house on Dec. 29, 2014.  It was very sudden, but given the price of the house (a full $150,000 less than it should have sold for) and the great style and feel for it, I had to move fast.  I closed Feb. 2, took possession Feb. 5, and moved most of my possessions on Feb. 10.  I technically don't "leave" the District until Feb. 28, but I've mostly done so already. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI, my grandfather helped found Arnegard, and I went back in 2013 to to celebrate the town's hundredth annivesary and see the family farm. (But then, you've seen these on my Flickr site, since you go there daily and are my secret stalker, right? GO THERE DAILY, I said.  Because I'm so good at photography, I said.) - Tim1965 (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, congrats! Nice house mansion, btw.  I can only imagine what it would have cost in say, Spring Valley, or some other NW neighborhood.  <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b>  whisper in my ear  19:55, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * My friends Brian and Jose-Luis have a comparable home size-wise in AU Park. Theirs is closer to a three-quarters of a million today, I would guess.  This is why I couldn't stay in D.C., much as I absolutely love D.C. (Our divorce has not been an easy one...) - Tim1965 (talk) 15:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, my divorce from D.C. wasn't easy either, but it gets better. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b>  whisper in my ear  16:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow! That's a shack and a half! Lovely!  Montana boy does good.  Didn't know you were secretly a former NoDak (oh hell, who am I kidding, my paternal grandmother was from there too.  Or, I should say, my granmutter waz from dere two....).   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  19:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I like it. :)  You know, I never lived in North Dakota, but my grandparents did.  Every Independence Day, we'd go to Watford City, watch my cousins Jimmy and Guy play American Legion baseball, and afterward the men of the town would dig up the four beefalo caracasses from the pits where they'd been placed four days earlier -- and the entire city of 1,100 would feast on beefalo, cole slaw, potato salad, rolls, beans, and lemonade.  It was magical... - Tim1965 (talk) 05:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Heh, reminds me of when I lived in Miles City... yup, coleslaw, potato salad, white bread rolls - and beans. But being Miles City, it was just plain old beef, usually on a grill, usually in the hamburger variety... and the Miles City Bucking Horse Sale was bigger than the Fourth of July!   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  04:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Say... did you see the rodeo bucking bronc family article in the New York Times, Montanabw ? Very nice piece. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * NO, do you have a link?  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  05:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I think this is the one. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b>  whisper in my ear  13:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

That's the one! - Tim1965 (talk) 14:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer: My Life at Rose Red
Hi, Tim1965, This article has had a flurry of new edits but as I'm not familiar with the work, I can't judge their appropriateness. I saw that you once worked on this article so I was hoping you could look over the changes done today to see if they enhanced the article or whether they should be reverted. Thanks for any help you can offer. Liz <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 17:43, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * My sense was that most of the edits were all right, although a few made it seems as if they came from citations (and the citations did not say that). Most of the added text is simply not encyclopedic, and the one of the article changed from an encyclopedic one to a fan-site one. One or two edits were also repetitive. I made some edits to return it back to the more academic tone. - Tim1965 (talk) 06:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Editing for Women's History in March
<div style="padding:3em; font-family:'Helvetica Neue',sans-serif; font-size:110%; line-height:1.75;"> Hello,

I am very excited to announce this month’s events, focused on Women’s History Month:


 * Sunday, March 8: Women in the Arts 2015 Edit-a-thon – 10 AM to 4 PM
 * Women in the Arts and ArtAndFeminism Wikipedia Edit-a-thon at the National Museum of Women in the Arts. Free coffee and lunch served!
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup
 * Wednesday, March 11: March WikiSalon – 7 PM to 9 PM
 * An evening gathering with free-flowing conversation and free pizza.
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup (or just show up!)
 * Friday, March 13: NIH Women's History Month Edit-a-Thon – 9 AM to 4 PM
 * In honor of Women’s History Month, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) is organizing and hosting an edit-a-thon to improve coverage of women in science in Wikipedia. Free coffee and lunch served!
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup
 * Saturday, March 21: Women in STEM Edit-a-Thon at DCPL – 12 PM
 * Celebrate Women's History Month by building, editing, and expanding articles about women in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics fields during DC Public Library's first full-day edit-a-thon.
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup
 * Friday, March 27: She Blinded Me with Science, Part III – 10 AM to 4 PM
 * Smithsonian Institution Archives Groundbreaking Women in Science Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. Free lunch courtesy of Wikimedia DC!
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup
 * Saturday, March 28: March Dinner Meetup – 6 PM
 * Dinner and drinks with your fellow Wikipedians!
 * More information • RSVP on Meetup

Hope you can make it to an event! If you have any questions or require any special accommodations, please let me know.

Thanks,

James Hare

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ITN nomination of Hunga Tonga
Hi Tim, I nominated Hunga Tonga for In the news. TGCP (talk) 09:02, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome! - Tim1965 (talk) 16:01, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

hmm
Maybe I should leave it? Send those pix! On a completely different topic, I see you wrote most of General William Tecumseh Sherman Monument. I've managed to get 9 out of the 18 to GA; do you think the Sherman article can pass a GA review or does it need additional work? My plan is to have all 18 reach GA. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  04:29, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless you're willing to provide an email address for those pix, you should take it down. No need to frustrate everyone... - Tim1965 (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * On an entirely different note, the Sherman Monument article is as complete as it's going to ever be. It needs a little work (for example, turning inline citations and bibliography from the older style I used to the newer format), but I've exhausted all the resources I had access to. Absent some primary source research, it's as good as it will ever be. I'd say. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, gracias. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  21:35, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for being too homosexual.. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice:. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  16:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

This blocked user is asking that block be reviewed: User: ([ block log] • [ active blocks] • [ global blocks] • [//tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/autoblock/?user=&project=en.wikipedia.org autoblocks] • contribs • deleted contribs • [ abuse filter log] • [ • change block settings • [ unblock] • [ checkuser] ([ log]))

Request reason: I live in Ohio, not Indiana; I've offered to pay for your hookers (with service from the Sean Cody, Bel Ami, Titan Media, or Randy Blue stables); unlike most homosexuals, I cite my sources (and have plenty of documentation on YOU). - Tim1965 (talk) 13:48, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm glad APK knows what is offensive to Tim or not, a lot of editors could be banned for such things! Gamaliel will probably be along soon to dish out more sanctimonious BS and dish out further blocks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What is this, tackle football? :) - Tim1965 (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

George Meany
Hello Tim1965,

You made some useful comments on the George Meany talk page back in 2006, well before I was an editor. I expanded the biography significantly in 2011 and did a minor expansion in recent weeks. I nominated it for Good article a few days ago. Would you be willing to read it over and offer any constructive comments? Or even formally review it?

As a side note, I enjoyed reading the new material about the Obama china service. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  03:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out! - Tim1965 (talk) 16:48, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of Mississippi Civil Rights Museum
I've written on civil rights tourism in Mississippi, and am interested in talking with people who worked on the Civil Rights Museum wikipedia page. I'm especially interested in finding people who might be interested in collaborating on a project on civil rights tourism, curation, and education in Mississippi. I'm not that knowledgeable about communicating via wiki talk pages, so I'll leave my campus email for people to contact me. Ronald.Loewe@XXXXXXXX. I teach at California State University, Long Beach.

Best regards,

Ron Loewe134.139.100.244 (talk) 14:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

museum removed
Hi, you removed the AAFM from the list of african american museums, can I ask the rationale? Don't think I missed anything, it's been there since 1995 and there is a ref... Robco311 15:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeeCeePhoto (talk • contribs)
 * I did not remove it. The article in the Baltimore Fishbowl calls it the "Arthur Smokestack Hardy Fire Museum".  You had it listed as "African American Fire Museum".  We have to rely on the museum name used by the citation you used.  So I renamed the entry, and moved it down to the correct place in the alphabet. You can see the change I and others have made to the article by using the History tab. Compare one change to another by clicking the buttons next to the changes you want to compare.  You can see what I did. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I stand corrected, the article in the Balimore times headlines it as the AAFM, but a re-read clarified that. Thx. Robco311 16:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeeCeePhoto (talk • contribs)

Saint Stephen Martyr Catholic Church (Washington, D.C.)
Nice work. I took the liberty of adding a mention of the de Weldon statue on the facade; he stares at me every time I walk by, so he's pretty well burned into my memory at this point. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! I have more work to do on that article, but wanted to lock down what I had. - Tim1965 (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's done now, Ser Amantio di Nicolao! - Tim1965 (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent - looks great! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:38, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

MacDonald Pass
John Mullan "discovered" Hell Gate Pass northwest of Basin, Montana. He discovered Mullan Pass, north of Priest Pass. Priest Pass was used in the early 1860s by anonymous white prospectors, but forgotten. It was rediscovered by Valentine Priest about 1879. But MacDonald Pass? What white person first discovered this pass? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) ? Mike Cline? Anyone? Bueller? Lord knows, I have tried and tried to find an answer. (Yes, there's Constant Guyout, Lige Dunphy, and Alexander MacDonald. But they didn't discover the pass.) - Tim1965 (talk) 04:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I vote Bueller! Actually, all I can find is this:  and it doesn't list a "discoverer." And it links to the Axline article, which is as much as I can find too.   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  04:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

New scholarship
I wonder how this works: An article is created, it achieves GA status... and then people largely leave it alone. But what happens when new scholarship comes along? Most people won't touch the article, because of its GA status. So the new scholarship doesn't get incorporated, does it? Only in rare cases, where there are major uproars over new scholarship, does a change get made. Hmm.... - Tim1965 (talk) 18:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Be bold and update. There is also GAR if boldness is not rewarded.   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  22:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Pryor Mountains Wild Horse Range
Hey Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) :  Someone tried really hard to alter the entire tone of this article, inserting a good deal of unsupported claims. I reverted the whole thing, primarily because of the challangeable claims and no discussion of the wild-vs.-feral debate on the talk page. But I thought I might alert you to what happened, in case you might want to help monitor this article a bit in case this gets close to an edit-war. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm on it, and I've actually already got the article watchlisted. To be blunt, that stuff they were adding is all a very large pile of horseshit.  See, e.g. Horses in the United States and a bunch of work we are trying to do to upgrade Mustang at Mustang and the subsequent two chronological sections.   Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  17:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Horseshit." LOL!! - Tim1965 (talk) 19:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I know it when I see it! ;-)  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  20:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, those changes didn't pass my "smell test" either! LOL - Tim1965 (talk) 20:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)