User talk:Tim1965/TalkArchives2

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Sandra Feldman, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  01:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Florida Education Association, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! ++Larbot - run by User:Lar - t/c 03:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, United Teachers of New Orleans, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  04:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Florida statewide teachers' strike of 1968
Can you provide a citation in the Florida statewide teachers' strike of 1968 article &mdash; for the statement that it was the first statewide teachers strike in the nation? Thanks. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 03:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Easily. - Tim1965 04:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 05:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Wapping Dispute
Hi Tim. You rated Wapping Dispute "low importance". Would you object to me changing it to high importance? The actions of Murdoch (methods aside) broke a strangling hold of the unions over newspaper production in the UK. I have read quite a bit about this and although I am not a conservative I have to say that the way the unions brought The Times and The Sunday Times to their knees is sickening. I'm not sure to be honest how important this issue is in the wider UK trade union movement, however its effect on the newspaper industry alone is worthy of high importance in my opinion. Mark83 22:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, go ahead!!! Change it!  I'm no expert on U.K. labor relations, so that was just a wild guess as to "Importance." - Tim1965 22:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Mark83 00:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

George Odger
Thanks for your great work on labour-related issues. I'm interested to know why you rated George Odger as being of low importance. He was probably one of the two or three best known trade unionists of his day, and as the article shows, he was prominent in a wide variety of labour-related organisations. Warofdreams talk 20:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Because I'm clueless, that's why. My primary goal was to get the code onto the "Talk" page, and I neglected to change the class and importance tags within that code. Absolutely -- change it! I know nothing about British labor history ("TUC"? What's that?). - Tim1965 20:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  00:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  01:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK!
Thank you for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  17:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Seconding
Here, here. (Or is that hear, hear? :) Either way, I wanted to agree with Nishkid64. Thanks for the continued excellent work Tim. Chris --Bookandcoffee 17:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * STOP IT! You guys are gonna make me blush.  - Tim1965 17:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

USPS article
U.S. Postal Service strike of 1970 is a nice artice but USPS didn't exist in 1970. USPO Department became USPS July 1, 1971. Article needs to be renamed. House of Scandal 06:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Federal Corrupt Practices Act, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  02:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Woo! to you, too! Warofdreams talk 02:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop it... I'm not working. What else do I have to fill my time with? It's people like you, who have jobs and lives and stuff, that are doing the heavy-lifting. - Tim1965 04:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, National Security League, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  15:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit to César Chávez
Hello, there have been some major revisions/copyedits to César Chávez's article since your assessment. Could you please review the talkpage and see what you think? Thanks, Ronbo76 22:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I really only do assessments for the Organized Labour WikiProject. The article is already "High" on the Importance scale. Since the article hasn't formally gone through the "Good Article" vetting process, it can't be rated higher than "B" on the Organized Labour Project's "Class" rating.
 * Some helpful comments if you want the article to reach "GA" status?
 * 1) It will have to have in-line citations to sources. That means using the " " citation after each fact that could be disputed, with a "==Notes==" section before the references and a " " code beneath the notes (make sure that space exists before the slash!).
 * 2) The article seems to lack some basic information, or it is out of place. For example: His father and mother's names should come in the first paragraph of "Early Life" not in the third. Did he have siblings (and how many, and his position among them - first-born, last-born, three of four)? Why the family moved around so much? (It is implied that they were migrant workers, but not all migrant Chicano families are agricultural workers, nor all farm workers migrants.) What happened to him from 1946-1948? Did he return to work as a migrant laborer? Did he continue to work as a migrant worker after marriage and while having children?  Why did he go to San Jose?  Who was Father McDonnell? (Just a local priest, or a priest active in the labor movement, or a radical priest, or...?)  What was the CSO? (Some day, there may be an article on the CSO. Until then, the article should have a sentence describing it and what it did.)  Those are just some comments on the first sub-section. But you can see how the article should be a lot longer.
 * 3) There is no link to the Delano grape strike, even thought this is probably the event for which he is most famous. It would be a good idea, I think, to expand on why Chavez decided to hold the Delano grape strike.  Why a strike at that time? Why grapes?  Why that part of the country? Why a strike and not some other collective action? Did he encounter resistance for his ideas from the AFL-CIO or other unions or other workers' groups? The last sentence in the third paragraph says it was a major victory; how so? Did UFW sign a contract with the growers?
 * 4) The article needs some Wikifying. Dates and place-names in particular are not linked.
 * 5) Only five sentences describe everything he did in the last 20 years of his life. I think this section needs to be greatly expanded. This was a major turning point for him.  The public's attention toward the plight of the farm workers had waned. What was Chavez's thinking about how get things moving again? What educational initiatives did the union establish?  I know the union was involved in health care as well; was Chavez behind this?
 * 6) The main article never mentions his U.S. Medal of Freedom. This incredible fact only appears on the timeline.
 * This article is pretty good. But it needs a lot of expansion, and a lot more about Chavez.  This is one of the most important men of the last 40 years of the 20th century.  Compare Chavez's article to the article on John Sweeney (labor leader).  The Sweeney article is maybe too long, and its citations need to be in-line.  But the article on Chavez should be at least as detailed.
 * GOOD LUCK!!! - Tim1965 01:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Victor Kamber, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  22:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Sheet Metal Workers International Association, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions!  Nish kid 64  21:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ed Boyce resource
Under Ed_Boyce, in the section Ed_Boyce, there is the statement, "He called for legislation to forbid employment of aliens..."

Is there a specific reference that can be cited for this statement? Thanks, Richard Myers 00:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * William J. Gaboury. "From Statehouse to Bull Pen: Idaho Populism and the Coeur d'Alene Troubles of the l890's." Pacific Northwest Quarterly. January 1967, p. 1422. - Tim1965 03:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Remington Rand strike of 1936-1937 on DYK for 6 March 2007
Thank you for your contributions! &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 02:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry about Labor Project class ratings re: Ludlow Massacre
I note that WikiProject Organized Labour for Ludlow massacre has "rated as no-importance" on the talk page. I've spent little time exploring ratings, so am looking for guidance on this.

When i check for the significance of no-importance, i discover this note:


 * Used only for disputed articles. Placed on articles which have no legitimate link to organized labour. Provide discussion related to the rating, as this rating is likely to be removed or replaced on sight without related notes.


 * (emphasis added)

This status certainly does not describe the Ludlow Massacre article, at least not in the opinions of hundreds of unionists who return to the site for the ceremony every year. I believe status of the Ludlow Massacre article is equivalent to the Haymarket Riot article, which is offered as an example of high importance.

I'm puzzled by the choice of status, as well as the lack of any discussion related to rating. Would someone be justified in removing this rating on sight in accord with WikiProject Organized Labour/Assessment relating to lack of any notes? Or is there something here that i'm missing?

Look forward to your response, thanks, Richard Myers 07:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I would hazard a guess that it has received that rating because of the NPOV problems. Once those are resolved, then someone (even you) can change the importance rating.  I would consult with Bookandcoffee, who knows much more about the rating process than me (he helped set it up). - Tim1965 02:17, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

vandalism
It appears that someone did a major hack job on Ed Boyce. I glanced through the series of edits, and didn't see anything that i thought was positive. Yet as vandalism, it isn't all obvious. You might want to take a look... best wishes, Richard Myers 01:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the head's up. Actually, I felt a lot of the edits significantly altered the nature of the article.  They did not seem done to correct information, add clarity, or in otherwords edit the article to improve it.  Rather, they seemed designed to vandalize the article.  (For example, removing Boyce's willingness to denounce the blacklist, his subsequent ownership of a mine and hotel after leaving the union, and Boyce's advocacy of Haywood as a successor -- all are important to understanding Boyce and his influence, but all were removed.)  Just in case the editor was trying to help, I left a comment on the Talk page.  We'll see what happens! - Tim1965 19:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Am puzzled by your last edit here: Auto-Lite Strike


 * Typo?


 * best wishes, Richard Myers 23:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Naw, just my piece of crap computer. I noticed that two footnotes were blank.  That means I'd mis-typed a reference (say,  ) by closing the space between the quotation mark and the slash.  That totally f***s up the footnotes.  I was struggling to find which footnotes, and was doing some search-and-replace.  And my slow, slow, slow home computer kept reacting too slowly to how fast I was typing.  ARGGGGGGH.  Thanks for the head's up on that. - Tim1965 00:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

NaughtyBananas
Hi - confused about this article, what part of it makes it an adult entertainment company? --Oscarthecat 19:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I only know that that was the original category for the article.  The category had been misspelled "Adult Entertainement", I was merely re-doing the category.  If you feel the category is wrong, please -- change it. - Tim1965 19:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks for the quick reply, I've switched it over to the ISP cat. --Oscarthecat 19:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

AOTD
Hey Tim, nice job in filling out the month of May. Chris.--Bookandcoffee 21:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's easy, you know.  The hard part is finding articles which aren't stubs.  :(  I also tried to propagate the "(This Month in) Labour History" section through the end of June as well.  It took a lot more effort!  So many labor articles are poorly written, and contain no indication of dates.  (Or, they contain a date, but it's not Wikified!  I have to use Google searching to locate enough articles to populate the entire month.)  I've also tried to populate the "Featured Picture" and the "Did You Know...?" sections some as well.  Pictures are tough because I'm still on dial-up (I live in Washington, D.C.; go figure! no broadband in the nation's capitol!).  But I am trying to fill in what you've set up.  :)  - Tim1965 23:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello, I am very pleased that an article I started way back when I first joined up here at WP has been selected for a featured position at the Labor Portal. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Mr. Reuther before his death and was able to thank him heartily for the work that he and his brothers did for the union movement/social justice issues that are so important to so many working people the world over. It is easy to see why, when finding no article at all concerning Mr. Reuther in the WP, that it was amongst the very first articles I created here. Please check out Bob White as well, another of the first few articles I contributed to the project. Once again I thank you for your consideration and for the ongoing work you do here at Wikipedia, the most important online reference resource. Best Regards, Hamster Sandwich 20:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm very glad you contributed! There are massive gaps in the Wikipedia history of organized labor in every country.  Very important people have no or stub biographies.  Major events have nor or stub histories.  Very important organizations have no or stub entries.  There is a gigantic amount of work to do.  But, unlike the Pokemon and Star Wars portals, Organized Labour has very few contributors.  It's tough work to produce quality work.  So three cheers and a tiger for you!!!  :)  - Tim1965 22:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Many thanks for all of the articles that have appeared on DYK over the past few weeks. --ALoan (Talk) 10:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I try hard to write good articles.  I am just lucky in that I find really interesting things to write about, and am chancing on good hooks. - Tim1965 13:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:LCLAA.png
Hi Tim, you might get a 'bot notice about this image. I replaced it with a clearer version on the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement article, and just put the older version up for deletion. (I didn't ask first, cause I didn't think you'd be too bothered.) BTW, I laughed when I look at your page and have to scroll down through so many DYK notices. Amazing. Cheers. Chris --Bookandcoffee 19:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Any better image is an image fine with me! You know, I have a bunch of union friends, and every time I get a DYK about a union item I sent them an email about it.  Last week, my friend Michael (tongue firmly in cheek) said, "Will you stop sending me these??  It's like spam!"  LOL!!  - Tim1965 20:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Frank Hayes (unionist)
I came upon your article on Frank Hayes (unionist). I was wondering, what part of Illinois did his family move too? Do you at least know the county by chance? Cook County? Thanks for any assistance.--Kranar drogin 11:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The source I used says he attended public schools in Collinsville and Mt. Olive. I have no idea if those are Cook County or not.  That's all the info I have. Hope that helps! - Tim1965 02:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * One small request on that, could you add that to his article and cite that please? I have added in a category and changed another to follow what you stated above. I just want to be able to point to a source incase someone questions me for adding them. Thanks!--Kranar drogin 03:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Law category
Hi Tim, so getting back to this by country thing – I guess, judging by the lack of conversation, that no one cares too much about the format, so we might as well go ahead and do it as we think it should be. Am I reading you right that is the way to go, as opposed to ? I'm not bothered either way, really, so I'll go with whichever you think works. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 21:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Started: --Bookandcoffee 09:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Amazing how apathy leads to dictatorship. (hee hee!) It is "Canada's labour law," so I prefer the possessive:  . But, like you, I could go the other way if that's where the strong feelings lay. - Tim1965 02:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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Bricklayer
I started to describe the situation of bricklayers in germany in the article. In saw you worked on the article, so i thought may be you wanted to have a look. i do have links of references for the stuff i wrote, but for some reason i was not able to include them.

I thought may be you could help me with that.


 * I actually don't know anything about bricklayers. But I can help with the references. When you want to insert a reference, add this code:  1) If it is a book, do this: Smith, The History of Bricklaying, 1975.  If you have a page number, put a comma after the year and then "p. 25."  2) If it is a magazine or journal article, do this:  Smith, "The Standardization of the Brickmakers' Trade," Bricklaying: The Magazine, March 15, 1997.  Usually, every noun and verb in the article title and magainze name are capitalized.  3) If it is a link to a Web site, do this:  "Early Bricklaying," World Order of Brick Lovers. January 2005.  If the Web page is not dated, then put "No date" instead of the date.
 * Don't worry about having your footnotes appears in the "Notes" section. They will automatically do so.
 * Notice that your footnotes are not full citations. Only the author's last name was used, and full information on publication was included.  You need to provide full citation under the "References" section.  You do that this way:  1) If it is a book, do this:  *Smith, John.  The History of Bricklaying. Bonn:  Janssen Verlag, 1975. ISBN 1234567890  In American citations, the city comes first (and if you think the city is a small one, the city and the province or state where it is, such as "Seattle, Washington" or "Bonn, Germany").  2) If it is a magazine article, do this:  *Smith, John. "The Standardization of the Brickmaers' Trade." Bricklaying: The Magazine. 37:2 (March 15, 1997). The number 37 is the volume of the magazine, and the number 2 is the issue.  Not every magazine has a volume and issue number; if not, just put the date without the parentheses.  3) If it is a Web site link, do this:  *"Early Bricklaying." World Order of Brick Lovers. January 2005. This will provide a full citation for the Web page, as well as a link to it.  A link only needs to be provided in the "References" section, not in the footnote.
 * For a good example of how this works, see the article Work card. Just copy what was done there, and you should be able to do inline footnotes and full bibliographic references just like a professional!  :)  - Tim1965 02:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)