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District of Columbia Department of Transportation
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Articles for deletion nomination of Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals
I have nominated Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Rhode Island Federation of Teachers and Health Professionals. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 23:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Breaker boy
Hi, your article Breaker boy is very interesting. As I see you have not responded, are you aware that someone has reviewed it for GA here? Regards, — mattisse (Talk) 20:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I had no idea! I'll attend to that right away.  Thanks for the head's up!!! - Tim1965 (talk) 20:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Big Time Rush

 * The reason why I keep removing it is because it is unneccessary. Calling them "unattractive, etc." is unneccessary. I kept the other stuff in that article.LAUGH90 (talk) 21:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You can't remove the quote because you dislike what it says. Nor is it "unnecessary" to the article; you may not like the quote, but it is essential to the criticism of the show. If need be, if you revert a third time, I will ask for mediation from an administrator. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Your welcome, I hope my 3O helped out. Best wishes House1090 (talk) 02:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The other shows for Nickelodeon and Disney channel Do not have any criticism/reviews for they're shows, so it is unneccessary. It's almost as if a critic just decided to slam the show and have someone post it on the show's wikipage.LAUGH90 (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Such comments are absolutely necessary. The guidelines for good articles say that criticism sections should be included if the article is to reach B or Good Article status. The article for Big Time Rush should include critiques of the show, positive and negative. You are imputing motives to me which you shouldn't; I have nothing to do with the Boston Globe and I actually like the show (silly as it is).  I even rescued your Carlos Pena, Jr. article from deletion because I like the actor a lot. So for you to imply that somehow I'm in cahoots with the Boston Globe shows a lack of good faith on your part.
 * So I'll ask again: Do you agree to reinsert the quote, or does this get elevated even further? - Tim1965 (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Brisbee Deportation
The paragraph you restored to Bisbee Deportation now appears twice. Where the Deportations end and the Aftermath begins is a judgment call. But twice doesn't make any sense at all.

Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Ghost Adventures
My impression of this article is that a number of sources are dodgy and the fan trivia ("Memorable Experiences"?) is unencyclopedic, but I could be looking at it the wrong way, since the ghost busting reality shows come with a certain amount of kayfabe. Since you did such a terrific job with Paranormal State, I wonder if you'd give it a look? - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:21, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wilma B. Liebman
Hello! Your submission of Wilma B. Liebman at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Marylanderz (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Cao Van Vien and other South Vietnamese generals
Hi. I saw you going trhough some of the ARVN generals and doing some work on them. Are you planning to do them all in great detail like CVV? I would be interested in doing some more work on ARVN politics. Yes, I still remember you from the trade union DYKs. Hope all is well  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  05:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was preparing some bits on my hard drive and had it sitting around but yours superseded mine so I justed added the extra bits. From the obit I also had

From 1970 onwards, Vien thrice asked to be allowed to resign as chief of the Joint General Staff and to return to the Airborne Division, but Thieu refused all of the requests.

Thieu valued Vien because he was apolitical and had refused to participate in the 1963 coup against Diem; Thieu was concerned foremost with holding onto power and stopping coups against himself.

But that is in conflict with your stuff about Vien being a Ky supporter. Although I find this a bit odd about the Catholics supporting Ky because during the Khanh era, Thieu, Khiem and other Catholic officers had a reputation of trying to go against Thi and Khanh who tried to get Buddhist support by being pro-Catholic? I've made some changes that I think were errors. Can you check the parts about Lam Quang Thi and Nguyen Chanh Thi in particular? Thanks  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  08:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great work  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  08:18, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm very unlikely to expand any other ARVN bios. I was interested in Vien because he settled in D.C. (Although I have added a few cites here and there -- like to Gen. Vy's bio -- because I already had the cites from the Vien piece.)
 * I think the Washington Post obit's claim that Vien threatened to resign three times is perhaps slightly inaccurate. I could document at least two from other sources (they are in the article at Cite #106 and #154).  One source says he threatened to resign many, many times (e.g., more than three).
 * As for Vien's apoliticalness, that's already covered in the article (Cite #42). Every President valued his apoliticalness as a means of preventing coups against them. There's a whole paragraph dedicated to his refusal to participate in the Diem coup.
 * By the way, the Washington Post obituary is already used heavily in the article. Whenever I could find one or more sources that said the same thing, I used those sources rather than the obituary. It helps enhance the notability and makes the article much less reliant on one source.
 * There's no conflict about who Vien supported: He supported everybody! Remember, he was apolitical. Allegedly, Vien says in his book On Leadership that he believed the country made more progress under Thieu than under any other president. So he also supported Thieu. (I don't yet have a copy of this book, so I couldn't include the cite yet.) As for the Catholics supporting the Buddhist Ky, and the Buddhists supporting the Catholic Thieu, recall that it all comes down to ideology:  Ky was adamantly opposed to any negotiated solution whatsoever, which is what the Catholic refugees wanted. And Ky had suppressed the Buddhist uprising of 1966, alienating Buddhists.  Thieu would negotiate (on his terms), which alienated the Catholics. And teh Buddhists supported Thieu, because he had not suppressed them.
 * I will check the Lam Quang Thi and Nguyen Chanh Thi stuff. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a pity...Gen Ngo Quang Truong lived in Falls Church. Does that count???  YellowMonkey  ( vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll )  02:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 1111 Pennsylvania Avenue
Hello! Your submission of 1111 Pennsylvania Avenue at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Storye book (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for List of Survive This episodes (Season Two)
-- Cirt (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Edward Merriam
Thanks for this article Victuallers (talk) 08:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:29, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Willard v. Tayloe
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Tact10
I smell a love connection. APK whisper in my ear  10:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope he's a greeter... - Tim1965 (talk) 12:42, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Which totally fits with yesterday's news:


 * Johnjay and Rich (asking Justin Bieber about his sex life and favorite kissing spots): "Well you really can't go parking yet, you're Justin Bieber."
 * Justin Bieber: "I mean, if you're driving, you make a little stop... you know, like the Wal-Mart rest stop, you're good."
 * Please, someone, vomit on him publicly... - Tim1965 (talk) 13:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Pfft. Bieber ain't got nothin' on this guy  gal person.  Be still, my heart burn . APK  whisper in my ear  06:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We assume these are undies, but they could be a tattoo... - Tim1965 (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Countdown to Zero
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin Ogle Tayloe House
The DYK project (nominate) 00:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin Ogle Tayloe
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

200 DYK Creation/Expansion Medal

 * Wow. You certainly love DYKS!  Yay for DYKS!. APK  whisper in my ear  19:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You know, if there were an organization called DYKS on Bikes, I'd join! But then, you know how much I love DYKs. Big, fat long DYKs.  I'm such a poor editor; the DYKs are always uncut.  I find myself improving articles a lot, not making new ones.  I'm alway second in line on the issue, and my work is downright sloppy.  Sloppy seconds. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not count all your DYKs to confirm 203, but I noted that three of your DYKs were nominations: Richard Cordtz, Strikebreaker and National Labor Board. Even if these three were unintentionally included in your tally for creations and expansions, you reached 200. Mighty fine work! Binksternet (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's now one more as of this morning. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Air traffic controllers strike of 1981
On the topic of organized labor, what do you think of splitting the article Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization (1968) into two? The daughter article would be solely about the August 1981 strike. Binksternet (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I absolutely agree! The PATCO strike article is much needed.  Could you flesh it out so the PATCO strike article isn't a stub, and gets some justice done to it? - Tim1965 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Kay Henry
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

McFetridge/Horan
Hi Tim, I'm obviously not fluent in WIKI but need to question one of your many valuable entries. You note that Jerry Horan was nephew of William Quesse. William McFetridge (my great uncle) was nephew of Quesse and also past president of BSEIU. I'm wondering if you confused them, or if they were both nephews? I grew up hearing lots of stories about McFetridge. His father is another great study. An orpan himself, shot and killed his brother while his brother held their neice(?) in front of witnesses. Defended himself in court intimidating the jury and was set free! Much was recorded in the paper. Thanks for your work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.100.97 (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not the one claiming that Horan was a nephew of Quesse's. That's the claim of the Chicago Daily Tribune at the time.  Given the state of nepotism in the union at the time, I find it reasonable to believe that both Horan and McFetridge were related to Quesse.  Nothing I've read says Quesse was Horan's paternal or maternal uncle, just "uncle."  It's possible Horan was the son of Quesse's sister.  It's also possible the newspaper got it wrong (reporting back then could be quiet slipshod).  The problem is that, absent published information to the contrary, we need to go with what the newspaper said. It would be fantastic if more accurate information or information from a better source could be generated. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Rapp-Coudert Committee
I sorta swamped out your recent work on Rapp-Coudert Committee, sorry 'bout that, but that's for tipping me to a source and I hope the de-stubified new version meets with your general approval. Good luck with your fine work on WP. —Tim1961 Carrite (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! What a great job!  You can wipe me out any time, if that's what you're gonna do.  (I had only added two sources because I wanted to link to that article, and then discovered it was an unreferenced single-sentence stub.  GAAAAHHH!  I hate seeing those.  I found two sources in a one-minute Google search!  It annoys me that others didn't even try... ) - Tim1965 (talk) 02:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Union for Democratic Action
Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Vern Partlow
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Victor Riesel
Mifter (talk) 12:03, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Cubicle No. 4
The men's restroom at The Shops at Georgetown Park? APK whisper in my ear  20:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Listen, when I was in the doctoral program at the School of Public Affairs at American University, they had this sub-basement, see, and it had a restroom where... Uh, never mind. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Victor Riesel
Maybe you can explain to me how telling people that a committee formed in 1957 led to the passage of a law in 1947 is helpful? Until then I will continue to consider removing such nonsensical information as a "productive edit". 68.173.242.72 (talk) 13:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you can stop removing cited information and re-read the sentence. It was the Landrum-Griffin Act, passed in 1948, that Riesel's blinding inspired. Wikipedia has a three-revert rule.  If you violate that rule, I will seek administrator resolution. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kevin Killian
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Committee for Cultural Freedom
 — Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wieman v. Updegraff
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 12:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

May 2010
1. "Journalism. Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. Wikipedia is not a primary source. However, our sister projects Wikisource and Wikinews  do exactly that, and are intended to be primary sources. Wikipedia does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that are currently in the news, and can be updated with recently verified information." 2. "Scandal mongering [muckraking], something "heard through the grapevine" or gossip. Articles about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy. Articles should not be written purely to attack the reputation of another person [or place]." 3. "News reports. Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information. Timely news subjects not suitable for Wikipedia may be suitable for our sister project Wikinews." [at the time you attempted to document a breaking news story]

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Wikipedia_is_not. 2010-06-11 1038CST.

Based on the above information provided by the Wikimedia Foundation I believe the section (at the time of the action) was 'unencyclopedic'. I stand by my edits and trust you will do the right thing. This message concludes my involvement in the dispute. 70.92.132.205 (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, since the article and section in question do not violate #1 or #2 above, you have quoted them for no reason. As for #3, you ignore the primary issue:  "...routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information."  Since the scandal in question led to long-term organizational changes at Arlington National Cemetery, it qualifies as encyclopedic.  I am also posting this information on the article Talk page for others to weigh in on.  Your views are yours, but they may not be a consensus view for Wikipedia.. - Tim1965 (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Any online refs?
I'm trying to verify the references in your proposed DYK for John C. Metzler, Jr.. As you know, references do not have to be online references, but it isn't easy to verify references when they are not online. I did a very quick check and did not find the key references online, and chance you know of online references to support the hook?-- SPhilbrick  T  19:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Not unless you want to pay to view the article (as I did). These are currently footnotes 4, 5, and 6. The Phibbs/Washington Times source is pay-to-view, but you can see at least part of the Washington Post source (especially the part about living on-site until he was 19) here.  The Ruane article from 2010 is freely available online (as you can see from the link in the Bibliography). That's the best I can do.  (I have the downloaded articles, still. That won't help, I guess.) Sorry... - Tim1965 (talk) 20:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for United Public Workers v. Mitchell
Courcelles (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for United Public Workers of America
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice work
Nice job on the Holter Dam article. Montanabw (talk) 05:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The Hauser one isn't nearly as complete, but I wanted to get something done so I could link 'em both in a DYK nomination. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! - Tim1965 (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for John C. Metzler, Jr.
-- Cirt (talk) 18:03, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Arlington National Cemetery mismanagement controversy
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Glory
I didn't know you drove a minivan. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  19:33, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Send a homosexual to military school, and what else do you think you'd get??? Virginia is for Lovers, you know. - Tim1965 (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Holter Dam
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hauser Dam
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Labor unions in the United States
While I appreciate your frustration, and I'm sure you unused to your propaganda being challenged after your silly threats, you're incorrect. The edit I made has a clear citation, and disproved the misinformation that was there prior. I have added a BALANCED and NEUTRAL perspective to what was a propaganda piece.

If you have issue with a specific wording, by all means try to make it a more neutral presentation, however I will undue any attempt at pushing your agenda and trying to make it look like fact. Lies are lies, even if you try really really hard to present them as something else.

Please, by all means, contact a Wikipedia admin over this. It will take all of a few seconds to see that what was a piece of fiction with no citation or balance is now MUCH more neutral because of my additions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LrdSothe (talk • contribs) 01:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have not threatened you with anything. Please do not impugn motive to me, such as frustration or propagandizing or pushing an agenda. Wikipedia asks us to assume good faith, as I am doing for your edits. I assume you want to contribute to the article and improve it. There are ways to do this and meet Wikipedia's guidelines (as discussed on the article's Talk page). I encourage you to read these rules and adhere to them. - 02:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Tim
How nice of you to give credit for Stephen Yokich to User:Tim. :-p I fixed it. <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  19:57, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I give credit where credit is due! :) - Tim1965 (talk) 23:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Bob King (labor leader)
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DYK for Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Anacostia Waterfront Corporation
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)