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Hey Man, I'm gonna properly tag your article (add copyright status) so it doesn't get deleted and I'm also going to add it to your article for you. :^) §†SupaSoldier†§  16:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Photon Structure
This is a list of all of the references that were in the article you started, they were un-organized so I took them out until you can find links for them (if they are notable enough). I am fighting for your article so you can keep it. The only reference I kept was your site (which is well put together I might add). Well if you have any questions at all, please leave them on my Talk page. Thank You. §†SupaSoldier†§ 18:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC) *Frazer, William *"The Photon Structure - Will It Test QCD At Present Energies? *"Fourth International Colloquium on Photon *"Experimental Status of Hidden Variable Theories" *Causality and Particles, ed. by Flato, M. et al *D. reidel Publishing Co *Dordrecht, Holland, 1976. *Gamow, George *Thirty years that Shook Physics, Doubleday & Co., 1966. *Goldhaber, Alfred and Nieto, Michael, "The Mass of the Photon," Scientific American, May 1976.
 * Photon Interactions, World scientific, Singapore, 1981.
 * Freedman, Stuart
 * Holt, Richard
 * Papaliolios, Costas
 * Quantum Mechanics
 * Determinism
 * Hubble, Edwin, "The Exploration of Space," Theories of the Universe, ed. by Munitz, M.K., The Free Press, Il., 1957.
 * Jenkins, Francis and White, Harvey, Fundamentals of Optics, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1976.
 * Lande, Alfred, From Dualism to Unity in Quantum Mechanics, Cambridge, 1960.
 * Long, Timothy E., Photon Structure: Resolution of the Wave-Particle Duality, Maaret DeGroff, N.M., 1979.
 * Long, Timothy E., The Status of the Light Principle in the Foundations of Special Relativity Theory, University of New Mexico, 1985, UMI, 1986.
 * Perkins, W.A., "Neutrino Theory of Photons," Physical Review, Vol. 137, No. 5B, March 8, 1965.

Comments on photon structure
Mr. Long, I hope you don't mind a few comments on your photon structure theory. First, I'm glad to see you cite an article on hidden-variable theories; do you recognize that your photon theory, being deterministic, disagrees even with simple quantum observations like the Double-Slit Experiment---much less for quantum nonlocality experiments showing Bell's Inequality? Next, you recognize the existence of high-energy accelerator and collider experiments, so surely you're aware that these experiments find no deviation from the predictions of the Standard Model. Have you worked through your theory in order to make predictions for these experiments? Also, you seem to have noticed the many connections between photons and electrons at low energies; photons above 1.022 MeV can convert into e+e- pairs, for example (not spontaneously, though! It requires a two-photon collision.). You may not be aware, though, that there is no known *fundamental* connection between photons and electrons. Gamma gamma --> e+ e- is most familiar only because electrons are the lightest charged particles, so we see gamma gamma --> e+ e- at easy-to-obtain energies. Did you know that the process gamma gamma --> quark antiquark, and gamma gamma --> mu+ mu- also occur, kicking in whenever the sum of the photon energies is high enough? Moreover, the probability of each occurrence is the Fermi's Golden Rule) as the probability of gamma gamma --> e+ e-
 * same* (with the appropriate normalization, something called

Finally, you haven't mentioned the existence of positronium. Electrons and positrons *do* attract one another, and the bound state is heavily studied. The bound state is, however, *not* a photon---it's a positronium atom, with a very clear "atom-like" structure, and it obeys all of the normal laws of atomic physics. The electron and positron don't bind any closer together than the positronium ground state. This is for the same reason that the electron in a hydrogen atom doesn't fall below the 1s state.

I hope these comments are helpful to you. Bm gub 17:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

To Bm gub:

Thank you for your response. I appreciate the thoroughness with which you have approached your review. I am aware that the term "spontaneous" should have been clarified but didn't want to go into more detail at this point. My entry is still in the "under construction" stage and any clarifications will be helpful. The existence of muons, at 207 electron masses, is an example of photons that have increased in energy far beyond the threshold energy before "splitting" (my interpretation), which supports your original comment. Positronium, like many of the other short-lived "particles" which I would prefer to call resonance states, decay into gamma rays. Bound spin(+) and spin(-) electrons in electron shells are possibly the cause of the electron orbital wave motion. There is even conjecture that these bound states are also in nucleons. (It is somewhat coincidental that the mass of the proton is one electron mass less than the neutron mass.) Recent work on Bell's Inequality has not eliminated hidden variables (I will try to locate the reference for this). Ockham's razor has also been misapplied in the rejection of a binary photon. Much work at CERN has supported the concept of a photon structure but some results based upon QCD are at variance with theory. In trying to interpret small scale mechanisms, rather than just rely of "randomness" and "indeterminism," it is useful to consider the interactions of the proposed "sub-quantal" charged particles. Probabilistic statistics is very useful in predicting the behavior of multiple particles but is left wanting when trying to describe individual photon behavior. In the attempt to refine our description I'm sure some concepts will need to be revised but, on the whole, interpretations must correspond with observation. We can all agree on that. I will study your other points and communicate as soon as possible. I'm not sure if this was the correct place to respond to your comments. If not, please let me know.

Thanks again for your interest, Tim Long

Photon Structure, Deleted
Hi Tim,

I tried to help, but it wasn’t good enough.

You may ask User:Chrislk02, or another admin, to recreate the article in your userspace (ie. User:TimLong2001/Photon Structure)

To write an article, I suggest that you start with a couple of reliable secondary sources, write the article based solely on the content of those sources, and cite information to line and page. Even better, you might be better off contributing material to an existing page. You’ll still need to cite new information. Material on photon structure is probably well placed at Photon. SmokeyJoe 23:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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