User talk:TimNut70

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City of Brisbane map
We are very constrained by copyright in relation to the maps (and other images) we can upload, so we have to work with the best map that we can legally upload. The link you provided is to the map itself. Do you have the link to the meta-data (usually the webpage you were on before you clicked through to the image itself) so we can work out what the copyright situation is with the map to see if we can upload it for use in the article? Kerry (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kerry. It's a publicly available map that was part of the City of Brisbane Bill as passed. Found on Council's city Archives web site on their map section. Can be published for non commercial use with acknowledgement. Cheers Timna

Map Local Authority Boundaries Brisbane City 1924 by Unknown Identifier: BCAP003 Title: Map Local Authority Boundaries Brisbane City 1924 Date: 1924 Description: Map published as part of City of Brisbane Act 1924 which shows existing local authority boundaries. Subject: Brisbane City Council Legislation Rights: Brisbane City Council, may be reproduced for non commercial purposes with acknowledgement. Type: Archival Material File Size: 9.89 MB URL For File: https://library.brisbane.qld.gov.au/client/en_AU/search/asset/41810/0


 * No, we can't upload that map. "may be reproduced for non commercial purposes with acknowledgement." Wikipedia content can be re-used for commercial purposes so nothing can be added to Wikipedia with the non-commercial restriction. Kerry (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kerry

Oh that's interesting. The map that is published has same disclaimer on BCC archives site:

Brisbane Residential Occupation Map 1938 by Unknown Identifier: BCA0208 Title: Brisbane Residential Occupation Map 1938 Date: 1938 Description: Published map showing extent of residential occupation based on 1938 aerial images Subject: Brisbane Town Planning Rights: Brisbane City Council, may be reproduced for non commercial purposes with acknowledgement. Type: Archival Material File Size: 5.79 MB URL For File: https://library.brisbane.qld.gov.au/client/en_AU/search/asset/41808/0

I just double checked - do you know if BCC permission was granted to use the bcc logo?

Their webpages says "Brisbane City Council's corporate logo may only be used with permission of Brisbane City Council. Please email corporate.marketing@brisbane.qld.gov.au to submit a request."

Maybe it's a simple matter of contacting Annabel Lloyd at the Council archives to check if the correct map (one I sent link to originally) is ok to use on Wikipedia and if it's also ok to use the (currently published) 1938 Residential occupation map by Ronald McInnis?

I guess it's more important to have whatever map used labelled correctly - which for the map used currently, is not correct. It is labelled "Map of Brisbane at time of amalgamation" - and the map used is actually not that map at all.

Cheers Timna
 * OK, to take all these questions in turn. Regarding the upload of the 1938 map. If you look here, you will see the details of the upload and what was said about copyright/licensing. It turns out that it wasn't uploaded from the Brisbane Library (which would not have been permitted as you rightly suspected). If you look at the "Source" field, it seems the Brisbane City Council also published it here on Flickr and did so under a CC-BY licence (which is acceptable for upload to Wikipedia) so uploading *that* version of the map was OK, the other wasn't. Why does the BCC publish the same maps with two different sets of permissions? It's a big organisation and different decisions are made by different groups, I guess. Generally the BCC Archives are overly cautious about their licensing, but the main BCC organisation is not. So, it may be that we can find the 1924 map published in another location that would permit us to upload it (or if BCC gives us permission). My experience at asking to release an image under a suitable licence is that you get success about 1% of the time so I have given up trying (it's never "simple", sigh!). It is a large encyclopedia (5.8 million articles) so it's not worth my investing too much effort over a single image for a single article. I just move on and work on something else (there is no shortage of articles to improve on Wikipedia). Kerry (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Logos are complicated as they are usually copyright (as is the case with BCC's). However, Wikipedia is hosted in the USA and so under "fair use" legislation there, use of logos in certain limited ways is possible (see here for the gory details). Personally I don't have that level of expertise in USA copyright law so I don't upload logos myself, but others do. I note there is a reasonable level of scutiny in relation to the copyright and licensing of contributed material because of the legal implications. You can see what was said to justify the upload of that logo here. Kerry (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Fixing the caption of the map in the article is not a problem and I agree with you about accuracy. Feel free to fix it. But I note that the current caption is the one BCC used when they published it on Flickr so it's not surprising that the caption is wrong on Wikipedia if BCC had it wrong too. Kerry (talk) 01:01, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Finally, feel free to ask me for help. It's not an easy learning curve getting started with Wikipedia. Kerry (talk) 01:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)