User talk:Tim Ayling

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Hello, I would appreciate some help with the page I just submitted regarding Dennis Ayling. Dennis Ayling is my father and I don't have an online resource than I can refer to verify his biographical details. The nearest thing I have is this: http://www.zen171398.zen.co.uk/Alien%20%28page4%29.html which a colleague of Dad's set up, but the information on it was supplied by me in the first place. Should I site this as a reference?

Many thanks,

Tim

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Re: Your submission
Give me at least 3 news/web where the subject has been discussed in details. I'll try to write the article there! I can find only this --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:39, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ahh, sorry, verification is needed, see WP:V and WP:FIVE. --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Dennis Ayling
The previous editor reverted "to source", and the source given seems to be this documentary about the film, which presumably (although it's not easy to check) refers to Ayling as a lighting technician. IMDB is disputed as a useful source for cast and crew details, so it looks like the documentary is a stronger source here, if that's what it says about Ayling. --McGeddon (talk) 12:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Undoutbedly the person is notable. In the image his name was spelled "Dennys"? --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:50, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi McGeddon, Many thanks for your message. It's perhaps a bit difficult for me getting some of my submissions right, as Dennis Ayling was my father, so trying to cite facts you know to be true about a parent can be a bit of a mind-bender. The documentary in question "Outward Bound: Visual Effects", The Beast Within: The Making of Alien", is an extra on the Alien Quadrilogy DVD and helpfully it's been uploaded on to YouTube if you'd like to look for yourself. Your site won't let me link to YouTube, but on there it is titled,"Visual Effects Part 1 [The Making Of A L I E N]" and it was uploaded by alien1979themaking. He is referred to as 'cameraman' by both Ridley Scott and Derek Vanlint, which as you know is an alternative name for cinematographer or director of photography. Vanlint at one point (at 3:30) says, 'I certainly had words with the DP - Denny Aying'. Dad's name is even on the right side of the clapperboard that is shown next (director always on left, cinematographer on the right). I don't even know what lighting technician would mean, but I hope this clears up that he was the director of photography and this is shown on the end credits of the movie. Many thanks!

Hi Tito,

Dad's name was Dennis Ayling and this is how he liked to be named when receiving an onscreen credit. However, he was known to family, friends and colleagues as Denny Ayling. When he worked on 'Alien' his name was misspelled in the credits as Denys Ayling and this error was unfortunately transferred to his Oscar. I hope this clear up any confusion. Many thanks!

Tim Ayling (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

In response to your feedback
Hello, Can you please describe the problem you are facing?

Ushau97 (talk) 10:05, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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You should read Your first article and always be bold in making edits and do not worry about making mistakes.


 * Thanks for your comments. Your article about your father is not unique for claiming the Oscar for themselves, because I think the other four named recipients make the same claim. I might make adjustments to the wording of the other articles too. However, because in the case of Dennis Ayling the award is the only reason given for 'notability', it makes sense to get the wording correct. It will be interesting to know if you find anything out from the awards body. Sionk (talk) 15:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

I will let you know. I hope you understand I am not trying to claim the Oscar for him as an individual. I think the difficulty I had was that I began the sentence by saying what he is notable for, and then named film that he worked on that led to his being notable, and then tied the Oscar win to him directly to show that his cinematography was part of the reason that the film won in that category. It feels like if we were just to say that the film won there is a shade of ambiguity about his role and notability and the meaning of the sentence isn't completed. Also, the five named crew members all received their own statuettes, so in that sense they all received their own Oscar. If you'd prefer it was changed to something like, 'He was the miniature effects cinematographer in the team that won the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects for the 1979 science fiction film Alien.[1]', perhaps that would be more suitable? My father was always at great pains to emphasise that the award recognised the entirety large team that he worked with and that they were all winners. Many thanks. Tim Ayling (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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