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Boulez GA review
Hi Tim - back in the UK now and I take credit for bringing the good weather with me from New York. As you'll see, I've started working through your comments a bit more systematically - and trying to deal with the harder ones. A quick question if I may: I see that you used some kind of gizmo which means that all the references to newspaper articles now also link to 'archived' versions - althnoough (so far as I know) the original links were all live. You'll know better than I whether that is the right approach - my only concern was that it makes those references longer (and I know we are starting to look at word count). Dmass (talk) 18:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, a lumpen and unlovely accretion, but it doesn't affect the word count, and it means that if the website vanishes (or, more likely, its pages are reorganised by a well meaning techie), buggering up the url links, anyone suspicious enough to want to check our sources can still get at them, via a snapshot of how the site looked on such and such a date round and about when we cited it. It's not pretty, but worth putting up with for the sake of future verifiability, and it prevents the dreaded "Link not found"  Tim riley  talk    21:19, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks very much. Dmass (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Just having a quick look at your changes. Reality check: Do you seriously expect anyone to believe Milly Barrington's assertion that the audience clapped for more than 1 hour and 16 minutes, which is the length of Act 3 of Götterdämmerung?  Tim riley  talk    21:54, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I do indeed, especially as it's already separately sourced in the opera section (Barbedette at ref. 249). Dmass (talk) 08:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Tim, is Barry Millington aka Milly Barrington? In any case, it sounds even more energetic to have been in the audience than in the cast :)  —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap shit room 08:38, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

We progress—and splendidly so, if I may say so. You have, in passing, caused much pleasure to a Gilbert and Sullivan addict like me by referring to Boulez as "PB" in your notes. To a G&S buff "PB" is Pooh-Bah in The Mikado—Lord High Everything Else, which seems v. apt for the director of the BBCSO, NYPO, Ensemble Intercontemporain, IRCAM, Bayreuth Rings, and the Cité de la Musique etc etc. I hope you notice that I've added the important information to René Leibowitz's article that RL made a recording of the overture to HMS Pinafore with the RPO. What has PB to offer on disc to match that! But I digress. We are nearly done with the GA review, and I'm polishing the silver scissors for the ribbon-cutting ceremony.  Tim riley  talk    13:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Tim. Your encouragement is very welcome as I pick my way through these last (slightly dry) changes. I'm afraid I didn't inherit my Dad's love of G&S (though I did his enthusiasm for 1940s big band) but I can quite see the aptness of Boulez as Pooh-Bah. You must have been delighted to find a fellow enthusiast in Leibowitz! I was pleased, by the way, to see that he did at least meet Schoenberg. I think you've done a grand job in rounding out the picture of him. Anyway, onwards and upwards, let's see if I can get the rest of the PB list ticked off by the end of the day. David Dmass (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * And indeed you have. Loud applause!  Tim riley  talk    18:29, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Morning, Tim. When you have a moment, have a look at the Wikipedia main page Did You Know column... By the way apologies for not doing more on Debussy, work is very busy at the moment. Dmass (talk) 05:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies not necessary. Nothing of any consequence at the FAC; I'll deal with one recent addition that may or may not turn out on closer scrutiny to be anally-retentive hyper-pedantry. As for M. Boulez – glad to see him on the front page, and (here it comes) I hope we shall be seeing him in the main front page slot before too long.  Tim riley  talk    13:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * How very pleasing—thank you! It was a pleasure to review such an interesting article. I hope we can look forward to more FACs from you. Please ping me at the appropriate time if so. I'll be glad to look in.  Tim riley  talk    17:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

A thank you

 * That's a very kind message. It was no hardship to review such an interesting article, and I was impressed that I had no idea at the end of my close scrutiny of the text whether you liked Mowbray or not: excellent even-handedness. I sometimes worry that my own likes and dislikes peep out through my prose. None of that chez Mowbray.  Tim riley  talk    18:40, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Leibowitz
Hi Tim - just having a look at the Leibowitz page. One thing sticks out a bit: you talk about Picasso and others in Paris during the war as being 'wanted' by the Gestapo, which suggests they were being looked for/hunted. So far as I know Picasso, at least, was living openly - a quick Google search suggests he was occasionally harassed by the Nazis, who made his life difficult, short of arresting him. I haven't edited it, as your source may top this. By the way, it seems there's a nice (possibly apocryphal) story about an exchange between Picasso and a Gestapo officer who, having barged into Picasso’s apartment, pointed at a photo of Guernica, asking: 'Did you do that?' 'No,' said Picasso, 'you did'" Dmass (talk) 17:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. The source is Jan Maguire, whose articles on Leibowitz are not always to be relied on factually. She is one of the sources that reckon RL studied with Webern, Ravel and Monteux. To be fair to her, her article says "Picasso and others (all wanted by the Gestapo)", which could, I suppose, mean that it was the others, and not them plus Picasso, who were wanted by the Gestapo. I never knew an article where finding reliable sources was so tricky. Similarly, another source, Peyser, says "When WWII broke out, Leibowitz went into hiding in Vichy, France, then in an apartment in Paris, where he taught dodecaphony to Pierre Boulez and five fellow students from the Paris Conservatoire", which, had I not read your article on PB I should have taken to mean PB was his student while RL was hiding from the Nazis, rather than after the liberation of Paris. By all means tweak what I have written. When I still worked for a living there was a brief fad for the phrase "quick and dirty", meaning something cobbled together in the hope that it would pass muster. The phrase could be used for the recent revision of RL's article, and any improvements you care to make will be regarded most gratefully.  Tim riley  talk    18:16, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It's much better than that! I've just cut 'all wanted by the Gestapo' as it seemed to me you mention earlier in the sentence that they were all 'opponents' of the Nazis, which probably captures it. In the alternative, you might say that they were all 'hounded by the Nazis' - but I'm not sure it's necessary. Dmass (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Claude Debussy
To all and sundry, near and far –, , , and  – and anyone else who may chance to see this message: I have Debussy up for peer review and if you are minded to look in and give me your thoughts it will be esteemed a favour. –  Tim riley  talk    21:32, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd be delighted to help if I can. I'm really pleased that you've taken this on: poor old Debussy was lagging behind in the Wikipedia stakes. I probably won't be able to get round to detailed comments until the weekend but, in the meantime, a quick thought about 'Late Works': I'd be tempted to move the reference to unfinished stage works to the end of the section, rather than leading with them. Perhaps a reference to Martyre de Saint-Sébastien would be in order there (a more important work that either Boîte or Khamma?). I think the three chamber sonatas should also feature, as well as the two major song cycles from the last period (Mallarmé and Villon). And En blanc et noir is a pretty important piece... More—and more detail—to follow, but I hope this is helpful. Dmass (talk) 08:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Done, except for the song cycles: I'll add them if you insist, but I have my doubts about how major they are in the context of D's complete oeuvre. I look forward to further comments at your leisure, preferably on the Peer Review page rather than in the twilit Pelléan obscurity of my talk page.  Tim riley  talk    12:17, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see now that you have a section on Debussy and literary influences which covers both poets. Your treatment of the Sonatas is a model of concision, by the way (embarrassed cough...). Last comments on your Talk page, the rest will be where they should be. Dmass (talk) 21:10, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * A note of appreciation for the sterling revision of the CD article. Reads very well; a man as fascinating as his music. Regards, Ptelea (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Blame my mother, even 'shut' was too guttural, had to use 'close'. Weaned on CD domestic recitals of C de L., progressing to Peter Katyn's recordings at Uni. when most of my peers were into Elton John.

Regards, Ptelea (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know about the FA promotion, Tim (sorry for not getting back sooner, I've been away for a few days). Many congratulations to you for taking the lead on this and doing the lion's share of the work. It's gone in a very short time from shambles to FA. And thanks also for involving me in the process, which was very good experience. All the best, Dmass (talk) 06:13, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

St Donat's Castle
Dear Tim, when you've finished fending off the vandals over at the front page (many congratulations!), the above is finally at FAC. If you had time to revisit it, I'd be most grateful. KJP1 (talk) 09:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Splendid piece.  Tim riley  talk    19:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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Do you have any-more information on the postcard? like the rear side? It would be nice to know if there are other images like this that might exist.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Not the vaguest recollection I'm afraid. In my defence, it has been nine years since I added it. I see some doubtless well-meaning soul has tagged the image page with demands for further information. S/he will have to whistle for it, I fear.  Tim riley  talk    15:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

?Next stop
Tim, are you a Rossini fan? It's the 150th anniversary of his death. I've just looked at the article and it's pretty poor. Maybe when Debussy is done and dusted?.......--Smerus (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, why not! (Extraordinary to think that he died only 50 years before Debussy.) I love the comic Rossini; the serious Rossini I find heavy going. But he's among the most engaging personalities among composers, and I shall be v. pleased to work on his article. If possible I'd prefer to concentrate on the Life, if you are happy to focus on the Works - though each chipping in to the other's section ad lib? Biddable about other divisions of labour if preferred.  Tim riley  talk    17:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * OK let's take this up after A-C D is put to bed.--Smerus (talk) 18:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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 * I have had an oversize issue for some years, but will attend to this one.  Tim riley  talk    18:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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PR for Fawad Khan
Hi, I've recently requested a PR for the article Fawad Khan (see here). It'd be an honour for me if you consider reviewing it. Thanks. Amirk94391 (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I've left a few comments, which I hope will be useful.  Tim riley  talk    22:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi and thank you so much for your response. I've answered you on PR page. please check it out.Amirk94391 (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, just wanted to get this last opinion from you. As we've discussed about references so here I've created a list, As of 17:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC) the article has 173 references to these 41 sources:

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Can you please tell which sources can be objectionable during WP:FA?Amirk94391 (talk) 17:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I cannot give you an authoritative answer. My guess, from a cursory look, is that they are all OK.  Tim riley  talk    17:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
 * @Tim riley, I think you're right, and have provided further detailed assessment on the PR page. Talking of which, spam mesage to follow. Hope you are well! Get that wine cooler revved up! —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room 14:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

John/Eleanor Rykener
This collapsed before you ever had a chance to look in before, but, wondering whether this is *ahem* up your alley at all, it's now at PR; if you think it's a worthy candidate for future promotion and / to or sit scurrilously on the front-page at some point in the future, please feel free to look in...and if you know anyone else who may be interested in medieval transvestite-prostitutes, also feel free to invite them into the niche too :) Take care! Cheers,  —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room 14:06, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, not another mediaeval transvestite prostitute! I don't come to Wikipedia for this sort of thing. I can get all that at home. But I'll look in.  Tim riley  talk    21:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all your input on this Tim riley, gratefully received as ever. Have a good weekend! —SerialNumber54129  paranoia / cheap sh*t room

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Gioachino
Tim, is it OK with you if, when I get round to GR's music, I potter in your sandbox? Saves problems with sources etc. Although of course I perfectly understand if you would rather not. Best, --Smerus (talk) 11:54, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Please do. I've always found sharing one sandbox the best method for collaborations. I'll go and put a welcome mat out.  Tim riley  talk   12:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Sorry about that - I did the whole month in one sitting - by the end of the list I'm a basket case... Ealdgyth - Talk 20:30, 27 July 2018 (UTC)