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Hi Time River, and welcome to Wikipedia! I just saw your excellent work on social trap. I helped out a little with how to add a page to multiple categories; see the difference here. I also changed the category Category:Psychology to a bit more specific Category:Social psychology, do you think that's correct?

Hope you'll continue to write here! You might find the Psychology WikiProject interesting. Don't hesitate to write on my talk page if you have any questions. /skagedal... 01:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi! I wrote a reply here. /skagedal... 11:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

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The Other Side of the Wind
Hi, thanks for your additions to The Other Side of the Wind, especially the reference to the American Cinematographer article, which I haven't read. Just a couple of thoughts:
 * I'm pretty sure that the Arizona house wasn't instead of the Arizona studios you cite, but as well as it - there are lots of references to their renting out a private ranch-house for many of the ranch scenes, and Gary Graver tells a story about the neighbours complaining about the filming at the ranch house. (I'll post that shortly.) Since they shot some ranch scenes at Peter Bogdanovich's house, and in France and Spain, it looks like there were lots of different locations used.
 * I put quite a lot of effort into getting an accurate cast list order, based on the prominence of the parts in the shooting script; I hope you don't mind if I revert the order from the alphabetical order, which is only given on IMDB simply because they have less information avalable. One of the points made by Joseph McBride is that the lack of any reliable single source on this film has long enabled people who had short cameos to claim that they had major starring parts! Debonairchap (talk) 11:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Sorry about that. I reverted it back to your cast list. My apologies. I also streamlined the section about the Arizona shooting and re-added a sentence about the ranch house you mentioned, in case you want to add something about that. Time River (talk) 22:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Thank you for your help Ww2censor. I sent the permission letter to permission-en@wikipedia.org as I thought I was :instructed to do.  As you said, they are backlogged so I guess it will take a long time.   This whole process is so :confusing, including the instructions on how to do things. Thanks again for your help.  Time River (talk) 02:30, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. If you did receive a ticket #, I think you can request information at OTRS noticeboard. You might also find it useful to read my image copyright information page that covers many of the issue you may encounter when dealing with images. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 11:34, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

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Revision of Irene Bedard article of Feb. 2
Hi Time River, In January, I edited the Irene Bedard article to correct the misinformation that she was the physical model for Disney's 'Pocahontas.' Glen Keane, the supervising animation editor of the film has stated on many occasions that the Pocahontas character was based on a combination of people, including two Mattaponi sisters (the Custalows), model Christy Turlington, model Naomi Campbell, and a university student, Dyna Taylor. Disney has never credited Irene Bedard with being the physical model for Pocahontas. Beard has claimed that her gestures were imitated in the film, but there is no proof of that (Bedard is not the only person in the world who has put her hair behind her ear, an example that Bedard mentioned in an interview). Can you please provide evidence for Bedard being the physical model for Pocahontas? I realize this is not a terribly important issue, but Wikipedia works best if we only include accurate information that can be sourced. Thank you. - Texasstorm Texasstorm (talk) 11:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Re. the difference between "physical model" and "live action reference"
Hi Time River. Thank you for your explanation of your change to the Irene Bedard article. That's interesting that you are friends with her, and I'm sorry if my message to you re. sourcing was rude. I think part of the issue here is the difference between "physical model" and "live action reference." Disney (specifically Glen Keane) has said that numerous people were the physical model for their version of Pocahontas, and Irene Bedard is not among them. They had the concept art for Pocahontas long before Bedard was hired. (The first step in making a film is not to hire the voice actress.) Actually, before Bedard was hired, the singer, Judy Kuhn, was set to be the voice actress, but probably to demonstrate diversity, they hired Bedard to do the speaking voice. During production, they would have filmed Bedard doing some speaking to coordinate mouth movements. Bedard has said that this was so, and she also said that some of her gestures made it into the film. That latter point may or may not be true, but Disney actually credits Charmaine Craig and Natalie Belcon for live action reference. This would mainly refer to the model moving, running, turning her head, etc. to make the animation realistic. I realize that Bedard is often associated with being the physical model of Pocahontas, and fan fiction has often stated that, but as far as I can tell, it's mostly wishful thinking. I'm a fan of Bedard, too, particularly in Smoke Signals. I hope we're cool on this issue. Cheers. Texasstorm (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Texasstorm (talk • contribs) 22:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Texasstorm, No, I didn't find it rude at all. I am totally with you on the concept that Wikipedia writers have a duty and obligation to be correct, document information with primary sources, and not be built on hearsay, which basically is what I did, based on what I remember Irene telling me when we were sitting in her and Deni's vendor tent at Southern California pow wows. I trust my memory, but recognize my lack of corroboration. I am having the opposite problem on another Wikipedia page I recently updated about an early Hollywood celebrity. I have date of birth corroboration from the 1900 and 1910 US census cards confirming the birth year, and from a US passport confirming the day of birth. I have put those in the Wiki article twice, only to have one or possibly two people revert the article to a different day and year. One of them is the grand nephew of the celebrity. The only source more prime than US Census cards would be the birth certificate, that I have found probably is not in public records, because of its age in 1893.

Back to our problem. The topic of who was the model for the cartoon character is probably most appropriate on the Wiki page for Pocahantas and Pocahantes 2, not on Irene Bedard's page. I am glad you are a fan of Irene's. She is a great actress, and a great person. Her recent troubles with the law are so counter to the person I worked with on two different productions and knew casually at events outside of work. I am really worried that the gossip press will crucify her and ruin her career. I have seen her do many philanthropic activities to help other people. She does not deserve this.Time River (talk) 11:45, 13 February 2021 (UTC)