User talk:Timmyshin/Archive 3

Removing "Dynasty"
Can you please explain to me why you have started systematically removing the word "Dynasty" from articles about Chinese history? (Later Liang Dynasty → Later Liang, Later Tang Dynasty → Later Tang, Later Zhou Dynasty → Later Zhou, etc.)? I see that as a tremendous step backwards in clarity, as it would be wrong to assume that people unfamiliar with Chinese history would know that "Later Zhou" or "Later Liang" was a dynasty, and removing the word slows down the reading process for people that would understand what "Later Liang Dynasty" but would have to look up "Later Liang". Sᴠᴇɴ Mᴀɴɢᴜᴀʀᴅ  Wha?  17:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please see Talk:Later Zhou. Timmyshin (talk) 18:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Timmy, can you revert the changes as far as categories are concerned in articles? Now that the articles have been moved, the categories should be moved as well (and if you haven't, I do think that now it's going to be uncontested move under WP:CFD), but until they are moved, changing the category names in articles is going to put articles in non-existent categories.  Plus, again, if the moves are done without contests, then you don't need to systematically do them all; that will be done automatically.  --Nlu (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the mess; but I'm not sure what exactly I need to do to rename the categories. Timmyshin (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * You can list them for speedy naming under WP:C2D. Thanks.  --Nlu (talk) 16:17, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy#Current_nominations Timmyshin (talk) 17:28, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 00:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Categories
They're still quite messed up. While I know your time is valuable as well, I'm quite busy the next day and a half, and I am not sure that I can look through and fix them. If you have time, can you check the categories that I've nominated for further moving in WP:CSD, and tag them? Further, there will be some more things that this move, even if done, won't fix, with a lot of articles landed now in categories that do not and won't exist. Please look into them. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 13:25, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I've tagged the ones you nominated. I'm not sure what you mean by articles landing in categories that don't exist, can you provide a link? Timmyshin (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing that. What I meant by landing in categories that don't exist is that, for example, you have people now in Category:Later Jin chancellors (Feng Dao, Li Song, and Liu Xu) through editing when they should have been instead moved to Category:Later Jin (Five Dynasties) chancellors.  There are a number of similar situations, mostly with Later Jin and Later Liang.  --Nlu (talk) 03:37, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Did some fixes and nominated some moves; should be mostly fine after the moves. Timmyshin (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Dramas
i just add Just You (TV series) by --Sunuraju (talk) 12:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We Are Dating Now by --Sunuraju (talk) 04:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry what needs to be done? The article seems well-written. I haven't watched this drama. Timmyshin (talk) 04:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Clearup

 * Park Hae-jin by --Sunuraju (talk) 03:11, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

More about Southern Tang empresses/consorts
I don't know if you've had time to think about it more. Now that I am reaching the point of writing an article on Empress Song Fujin, I'd like further thoughts on the issue. I do still believe that all four of them (Song Fujin, Zhong, Zhou Ehuang, and Zhou the Younger) should be considered empresses given that Southern Tang internally still acted like an empire — again, I feel in a way that was completely different than Wuyue and Chu, and that that status was confirmed by both Later Zhou and Song in that those states' emperors never tried to put the title of wang or guowang on Southern Tang. If you agree — and I hope to have persuaded you :-) — then I'd think that I'd like to have both the articles and the category moved. Please let me know what you think.  --Nlu (talk) 02:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm still not convinced. However, if you want, I don't see why Category:Southern Tang royal consorts cannot be moved to Category:Southern Tang empresses and consorts or even Category:Southern Tang empresses; for example Category:Later Liang (Five Dynasties) chongzhengshi is within Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms shumishi category currently. Or maybe Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms shumishi should be moved to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms shumishi and chongzhengshi.... On a possibly related side note, I feel that Yang Xingmi should be in one same category with his sons. Maybe Wang Chao (Tang dynasty) (with his brother) and Liu Zhiqian+Liu Yin (Southern Han) too. Timmyshin (talk) 13:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting thoughts. But I do think it makes the category names too cumbersome.  (Of course, my saying that might be hypocritical. :-))  And another reason is that having "consorts" I think calls for broadening the category to include concubines, but I think concubines (Li Bian's Consort Zhong and Li Yu's Consort Huang, for example) should be in a different category of their own (if and when articles are created for them — they are clearly notable, but not so important that I'd be inclined to write articles for them, although other people are certainly welcome to).  I do think that Wang Chao and Liu Zhiqian/Liu Yin were still Tang officials (even if they seized the territories themselves) and have to be treated differently than truly independent rulers.  --Nlu (talk) 02:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW, don't you think Emperor Taizu of Liao should be moved to Abaoji since the guy probably didn't know what "Liao" was? Kind of like all of the Mongol Khans between Genghis Khan and Kublai Khan having different titles than Yuan emperors; or Nurhaci, Hong Taiji having different titles from (later) Qing emperors. I would have proposed a move except I'm not sure of Khitan names; I think it was supposed to be Abaojin (which was used in Old History of the Five Dynasties I believe?) or something. Timmyshin (talk) 13:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not opposed. I would prefer "Yelü Abaoji" myself, but I think that would require greater consensus.  (If I have my way, I'd rather that all "Emperor X of Y" articles be moved to personal names, but I don't think we have a consensus on that yet.)  I am not knowledgeable enough in Yuan or Qing history to specifically state what my views are about using more Mandarin-specific article titles, but unlike Khitan, Mongolian and Manchurian are live languages (although Manchurian is in the danger of dying).  There is no certain way for us to ascertain Khitan sounds; therefore, Mandarin would have to do.  --Nlu (talk) 02:58, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I've opened a CfR discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 3. Please chime in if you can. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 20:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

FYI
FYI, some poorly-done bot or automation ran through and replaced the apostrophes we use for italics with ".27". It messed up about 300 + articles that use sfn and harv ref templates, including some of your biographies of historic figures in China. I am one of the people trying to clean up the mess and saw your articles were in the mess - it hit a couple of "my" articles as we. If you see any of yours that I missed, just replace the ".27.27" with two apostrophes ( '' ) to create italics like we normally do and all should be well, I hope. Montanabw (talk) 05:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Credo
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Ways to improve Heroes of the Eastern Skies
Hi, I'm Mz7. Timmyshin, thanks for creating Heroes of the Eastern Skies!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. The article should include more references to reliable sources.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Mz7 (talk) 01:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Treatment for pinyin names of novels and albums
According to you, pinyin is not beneficial for Chinese novels. What about albums, like Dandan youqing? --George Ho (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Albums are different; to a song the "sounds" are more important than "meanings", in other words, a song can be enjoyed without knowing translation of the lyrics, this cannot be said about novels. I realize that you are about to make the argument that "Little Teng" also did not know pinyin, which is true, and I probably shouldn't have mentioned that point. (Of course, Dandan youqing was also not part of any lyrics as far as I know... I guess I'm just talking about in general. Actually, I don't mind moving Dandan youqing to an English translation.)
 * I have, within the past year, made a move similar to yours here: Talk:Cefu Yuangui but it was nonfiction book. The difference is that, in my opinion, that novels (or their adaptations) are generally easily translated and understood. Nonfiction books, especially the ancient ones, are only read by people within the academic circle or the likes in my opinion, and Cefu Yuangui to me is more encyclopaedic than Prime Tortoise of the Record Bureau. There's no right or wrong, please tell me what you think. Timmyshin (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added more English titles for Cefu Yuangui. There is no agreement on which one is more common. And Dandan youqing has no common name, so I can't move the English title. If you don't mind moving it, why not proposing one of the titles? Either way, I will vote oppose. --George Ho (talk) 00:41, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

 * Thanks! Timmyshin (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Swordswoman Riding West on White Horse
I made new request on another different title; please join in. --George Ho (talk) 19:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Jackie Chan (disambiguation)
Jackie Chan (disambiguation) is a disambiguation page, not a redirect. If you want it to be deleted, you should take it to AfD rather than RfD. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Image for Zero Band
I agree with a move to Zero Band, based on a print source I have located, but where and what is that image? I have never seen that as an album cover, is it a legal compilation or a bootleg? Can you determine which record company? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's beyond my ability; I personally think it's a promotional image but know nothing about it either. As for the title, can we move it to Zero (Chinese band) now since there is an American band with the name? Timmyshin (talk) 00:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure The Zeros (American band) are plural, besides the article is at Lingdian (band), for some reason I left a duplicate stub behind when creating it, which is what you found and moved. We need more sources before anything; the only thing I found was The Beijinger, which is not a great source since it's article contributers are part timers. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Zero (band). I don't think Lingdian is a good title since as far as I can see it doesn't appear in any of their albums. It's either "Zero Band", "Zero" or "Point Zero" from my Google Images search. Timmyshin (talk) 02:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have never seen their name written in English apart from the sources in the article. Websites and blogs aren't reliable. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The English names I mentioned are shown on their albums. If you need English-language articles, , I think all of the sources are reputable. Timmyshin (talk) 00:39, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Cut & paste move
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you tried to give Li Jing (disambiguation) a different title by copying its content and pasting either the same content, or an edited version of it, into Li Jing. This is known as a "cut-and-paste move", and it is undesirable because it splits the page history, which is legally required for attribution. Instead, the software used by Wikipedia has a feature that allows pages to be moved to a new title together with their edit history.

In most cases, once your account is four days old and has ten edits, you should be able to move an article yourself using the "Move" tab at the top of the page (the tab may be hidden in a dropdown menu for you). This both preserves the page history intact and automatically creates a redirect from the old title to the new. If you cannot perform a particular page move yourself this way (e.g. because a page already exists at the target title), please follow the instructions at requested moves to have it moved by someone else. Also, if there are any other pages that you moved by copying and pasting, even if it was a long time ago, please list them at Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen. Thank you. Tassedethe (talk) 23:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Warning
throwing around charges of "vandalism" is a form of WP:PA. On the Talk page of article, which great, thanks for creating, a question has been asked. In the meantime as you have started a RM at Talk:13 (film) the inclusion of the meaning "Mature early" in the HK film article is needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:10, 25 September 2014 (UTC)