User talk:Timotheus Canens/Archives/2016/10

SPI helper script – "requesting admin action" template replacement
Hi Tim! I'm Kevin, an SPI clerk. In your SPI script, what do you think about replacing the bolded "Admin action needed" comment when requesting an admin action with Template:Awaitingadmin, which displays as ? (Obviously you know your own code, but this would simply involve changing Admin action needed to \{\{awaitingadmin\}\} the two times it occurs.) Thanks, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 02:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. ✅. T. Canens (talk) 09:49, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Arbitration_Enforcement_review. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:24, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

About the article of Wang Junkai
I would like to know that about the problem of notability, Wang Junkai indeed has his personal notability apart from the activity of his group TFBOYS. He has released two solo songs on July and August: Farris Wheel （摩天輪的思念）and Ode to A Tree（樹讀）. Also, he joined the movie The Great Wall, which will be released on Feb. 2017. There are online news about his first join of the movie. I am wondering are these works and activity proofs of his personal notability independent of his group? Besides of these works, Junkai also received a Guinness World Records title for the Most reposts of a Weibo post ever, which could show his notability. If these will help, could you revert the redirecting move? And if there's other problems against this article, I will try to fix it afterwards.

To prove the work and activity I have mentioned above, down are the external link of the website that will prove:

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2015/6/lead-singer-wang-junkai-of-chinese-boyband-tfboys-gets-record-breaking-number-of-386087/ This is about the Guinness World Records Wang Junakai has won in 2015.

http://deadline.com/2016/09/the-great-wall-new-york-comic-con-matt-damon-zhang-yimou-1201828290/ This is about the movie The Great Wall, and its upcoming panel holding on NYCC, which Wang Junjai will attend.

http://www.tfent.cn/article/show.html?id=289/ This is the official article about the solo song, Ode to A Tree（樹讀）, on the Official website of Wang Junkai's company.

http://www.tfent.cn/article/show.html?id=264/ This is the official article about the other solo song, Farris Wheel （摩天輪的思念）, on the Official website of Wang Junkai's company.

Look forward to your answer, thank you.KARRYCRAB (talk) 14:14, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * His independent work appears to fall significantly short of WP:MUSICBIO to me. T. Canens (talk) 22:19, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Why is that? His two solo songs both won the first one on important online music platform in China, such as “QQ Music” and "Music V Chart"right after they released, and the sonf "Ode to A Tree" even got the score 100 in its first week online. Apart from these work, Wang Junkai has personally received several awards and achievements from 2014 till now, such as "2014 The Most Popular Singer of Mainland, Power Star Chart (2014，2015)", “ 2015 The Annual Most Popular Singer, Taiwan&Mainland of China Perfect Man Chart (2015) ”, " Top 10 Most Influential Person in 2015, The 2nd World Internet Conference (2015) ", "NO.7 Annual Hottest Discussed Male Celebrity, 2015 Data Report in Chinese Trending Topics and Expressions (2015) ", etc. These achievements are belong to his personal credit, not because of the group. All these were written in the article you have reverted. If you want even more details about his personal activity independent of his group, there were a section about Wang Junkai's personal activity in the previous article. With all these, why he would be less notable? KARRYCRAB (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's questionable how many of those music charts meet WP:CHART, or how reliable those people charts are - just take one example, your "2nd World Internet Conference" reference says that the list came from voting by internet users, and the only stated connection to the conference is that the list was released around the time the conference began. And presumably his activity in the group played a significant part in his popularity for awards like "most popular singer" and the like. T. Canens (talk) 07:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * If you say so, then I am curious that the other member of TFBOYS, Jackson Yi, as for actually he has even the less proof of notability in his article than Wang Junkai's, why could his page be retained? And about the music chart that wiki contains, non of them is from Chinese country, so how can you judge a Chinese music chart significant or not by this standard? This Record Chart page also have sentence saying that, "many reliable charts are not included on this list, primarily due to archiving problems." Therefore I am not convinced by this judgement. The other question about the standard of notability, I thought Wang Junkai has his obvious solo activity or achievement that could meet the criteria of MUSICBIO, that members of a group should not have personal article "unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases." His solo song break the record of the important music chart in China, and his record even beat the group TFBOYS. I still don't know why all these proofs can't stand, but your "presumably" inference can stand the point. Also the other evidence of Junkai's independent notability is that Wang Junkai's Official Weibo followers has reached 18,489,790 (today's data) and his group TFBOYS' Official  Weibo followers are only 9,214,551 (today's data), the numbers are twice more. As Sina Weibo is the biggest social platform in China, this record do have its significant. KARRYCRAB (talk) 10:05, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Because I didn't happen to see it - redirected too. As to the charts, while WP:CHART doesn't list Chinese charts, it does contain guidelines about what is suitable. Among other things, it requires that the chart covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources. Just having solo releases is not enough; the releases must be sufficient to meet a criterion in WP:MUSICBIO (just as an example, if there is evidence that one of the solo songs was "placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network", that may be sufficient evidence for an independent article). T. Canens (talk) 17:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand. I just found a chart which might be counted. China V Chart, it is the first co-branded chart partner with Billboard in China. According to its official website, “V chart (mandarin chart) is the exclusive Chinese chart listed on Billboard. com, international charts section ”, and Wang Junkai’s solo song 摩天輪的思念 （Miss Of Sky Wheel）is on the chart for six weeks from the week of Aug. 8 to the week of Sep. 10, in which the first three weeks and the last two weeks are all rank 1, including only one week of rank 2. I think this record should be take in count due to the rules that the artist “has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.” Besides, because it is the era of the internet, most popular songs are broadcasted through the online music platform in China, so the significant records are most from the online data. Just like the V chart mentioned above, the other important online music platform in China is QQ Music, which its “QQ Top Music Chart ” (QQ音樂巔峰榜) record every online broadcast and digital sales data on its platform as the certification of the song’s popularity. This database serves a highly significance in China. Wang Junkai’s two solo songs are both in chart and 摩天輪的思念 （Miss Of Sky Wheel）was rank 2 while 樹讀 (Ode to A Tree) was rank 1 right after they were released. I hope these record has meet the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO . KARRYCRAB (talk) 05:54, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It may be a Billboard cobranded chart, but its description says "A ranking of the most-viewed videos on Chinese music video service YYT", so it still runs afoul of the rule against single-vendor/network charts; QQ Music is similar. Analogous charts like iTunes and Amazon are explicitly deprecated in WP:BADCHARTS. T. Canens (talk) 08:21, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion for improvement
I noticed that spihelper.js kind of messes up when there's additional dates and takes open cases and archives them (after removing the case status headers too). I noticed this but absolutely forgot until now. I would be obliged if you could please fix it. -- QEDK ( T  &#9749;  C ) 15:31, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a known issue. When I originally wrote the script, multiple simultaneously open reports under the same case was so rare that I decided it's not worth the effort to try to support them. But perhaps it's time to revisit the issue. T. Canens (talk) 07:51, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) -- QEDK ( T  &#9749;  C ) 08:16, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

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