User talk:Timtempleton/Archive 6

linking to commercial photography site
Thanks for your comment about linking to the photography site. What you said makes sense. It is a commercial site, so probably best to not do. Fothergilla (talk) 18:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Dawn Ostroff photo
Hi Tim - a few months ago at the help desk you offered to help us upload a new photo for our client, Dawn Ostroff. We finally got permission from the photographer. Can you still help us? BuffaloWingzzz (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure - I'd be happy to help. You can email me by clicking on the left where it says "email this user", and I'll reply so you can email me the photo to upload. The photographer or other copyright holder will then need to send a permission email to Wikipedia. The permission text is here Declaration of consent for all enquiries, but I'll fill it out and send it to you so you can have the copyright owner send it in from an email address associated with the photographer, Ostroff or Spotify.  Don't let the legalese intimidate you - this is standard text to protect Wikipedia from accusations of copyright violations. Just make sure the photo you want to use is one that the copyright owner will release reproduction permission for. If no permission is received, the photo will eventually be deleted from the server. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  23:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Edit War
Hi Timtempleton,

I hope that you do not mind that I wrote you here for now. I just did not want to get lost in the shuffle. I don't knolw if you had noticed that Kleo-Sine had deleted your message soon after you wrote it without responding to you. Then I just saw that he kept on going through my edit history, editing more pages that I like to edit, that he hadn't gone through. One thing was that the majoprity were first time edits. Although, he did revert another edit on the Graham Norton page about filming that series during the pandemic. I fear if I do make another edit to another page, he'll be right behind me. It does seem a bit stalkerish, even from a brand new editor. And he doesn't add edit descriptions or respond to messages. I decided to stay away from the original page he waas editing and let him have his way, but look how he responded. I am getting very aggravated. I am not even sure if his "space after * editsare the norm, even for each page I edit. It reminds me of a couple of years ago, where there was a more experienced user (Aldezd), who reverted an edit I had made that unknowingly had a spelling mistake. He then responded by telling me I could be barred for vandalism. I chose to stay away from that particular page, but the next day where I made a couple of small valid updates. I got that same warning from the editor.It looks like he watching all my edits. I tried messaging him to plead my case and all he did was erase my message on his talk page. Then he marked one of the pages I had just edited on for deletion, (which was denied). Sorry for bothering you with all this, but what's the deal on these types of editors, new and old? It's getting pretty annoying as I am really only a grammarian and I am not trying to vandalise. I can't deal with these people like Kleo-Sine, who like to beat to their own drum. I don't have time to engage in allthee long battles, even if I have edited here for a long time. I can't keep up with everybody. Sorry to bother you. Just needed to vent135.0.252.54 (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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Note
Thank you. But i think she is notable. She odd a pro Basketball player. Another one of her colleagues i noticed is also on here. They played together and are not both playing pro ball. How do you add a picture I’d greatly appreciate the help Thanks Goalmaker70 (talk) 20:53, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Does she meet Notability (sports)? If so, then I can give you advice - otherwise, you'd be wasting your time uploading an image. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  22:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes Basketball. There’s alot of Basket ball players on here that have just as much time as her playing and they are searchable Goalmaker70 (talk) 23:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Be careful to not make the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Those articles may be deleted too once someone sees them. The strict notability guidelines for new articles were not always in place. TimTempleton (talk)  (cont)  23:27, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

ArbCom notice
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Revised draft Joseph Conforte
Dear Tim, you suggested I ping you when revision made: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Joseph_Conforte&oldid=1005507852

I look forward to your feedback. Best regards, OscarOwilli2019 (talk) 18:07, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
 * let's discuss on the article's talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

IMDB as a reference
Hey there, I saw this comment at the Teahouse and originally replied to it there, but decided to take it to a less public venue. Since you're offering advice to newbs, you should be aware that IMDb is called "unacceptable" at WP:RS in the section that covers the unsuitability of user-generated content, WP:UGC. As it is manipulated by regular people, it is entirely unreliable, just like most blogs, fandom.com pages, unverified Twitter accounts, and even Wikipedia itself. So for the reasons you think that it's "usually a reliable source" is the exact reason why it is not considered reliable by the community. IMDb is also thumbed-down at WikiProject Film/Resources and at the WikiProject Television/FAQ and is red-flagged at WP:RSP, a supplement to WP:RS that comes from the numerous discussions that have taken place at the reliable sources noticeboard.

For fun, here's an example of a totally fake "movie" that exists at IMDb. This kid tried repeatedly to write articles about his phony films, and tried to claim legitimacy because his phony film is listed at IMDB. So, TL;DR: we should absolutely not be using IMDb, and I hope that you'll consider deleting your post so the other editor(s) don't get the wrong info. (Assuming nobody's responded to your comment already.) Thanks and regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting here, but I'd be fine discussing on the talk page as well. However, I suspect it would lead to a new discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard.  This isn't enough of a deal to me to get into a big public discussion, since there are several archived discussions about this exact issue that never seem to be completely resolved.  Let's just say that we both agree that IMDB can be unreliable because it's almost completely user generated.  Where we disagree is whether it has any value or not as a source.  My take is that it can still be used, and does have some value.  Otherwise, Wikipedia would automatically block references with IMDB.com URLs from being added. It's not cut and dry.  Digging deeper, for every hoax film that exists, there are thousands of mostly accurate films entries.  Either a film is real or not, and if it's real, the data can be checked.  Just like off-line sources.  I tried to draw a comparison with plot summaries. If someone posts a fake film with plot summary on Wikipedia, it's usually removed as not being notable enough.  IMDB is never enough by itself for an article.  If they add an unsourced fake detail to an existing plot summary for an obscure film, it's harder to catch, but we wouldn't ban plot summaries (although some want to).  Where the IMDB information is wrong or unreliable, it's usually easy to identify and/or fix. The example you showed is a good one to prove this point.  It's an obvious fake, and the user has been blocked from Wikipedia. There is a self-corrective aspect to this - if the movie is obscure enough that nobody has seen it in order to catch errors, it's unlikely to have a Wikipedia article. Just for my edification, I posted a comment on that "film's" IMDB page that it was an obviously fake film, and that I was testing their editorial oversight process.  I'll let you know if they reply.  If you'd like, I can add another comment to clarify my point on the Teahouse that if it was unreliable it would be automatically banned from being used as a source, but I don't want to strike my comment.  <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:36, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. We definitely disagree about whether it has value as a source, but I do admit that I often look at IMDb to see if something passes the sniff test when I see dubious content added, and then based on that, I would look for a quality reference or delete the content entirely. But that's not the same as using it as a reference. As for some other aspects of your thoughts above, the community still seems to think that IMDB may have value as an external link, so that would preclude us from blacklisting the site entirely. But as to whether or not the site should be used by editors as a reference, consensus seems well-established that it should not be used, and I don't think editors should be instructed otherwise, since they would be editing contrary to community consensus. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Sally Conforte draft, needs your touch
Dear Tim, check it out. It needs your touch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sally_Conforte I have public records to upload to Commons to prove marriage to Joseph Conforte and boxing manager contracts. Heavily sourced, some free-online. I chose a personal take on the matriarch. I have been denied because of it. Help, please.Owilli2019 (talk) 01:42, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like the article has been moved to mainspace already. Sally Conforte I de-orphaned it. It's a bit long but others can take a look. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Proposal on Jefferson Starship article
Hi Tim,

I thought you might want to know I made a new proposal on the Jefferson Starship article. I would appreciate it if you had a look and let me know if you have any suggestions. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you link to the section? There are several discussions on the talk page and I want to make sure I am responding to one you are alerting me about. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  07:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tim,

Thanks for taking an interest in this. I made my proposal on the Jefferson Starship article's talk page. It is the last heading on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jefferson_Starship. I see that there are a couple of suggestions after my proposal to change the "Origins" section to a focus on the formation and early years of the band, one by AbleGus and the other by Ritchie333. I would appreciate your take on the article and any helpful suggestions. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 20:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, Tim I have made a counter proposal on the Jefferson Starship talk page. I'm not sure I'm pinging you correctly. I hope that you can have a look and give your feedback. I would appreciate it immensely. Regards,Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 22:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tim, What I have recently submitted on the Jefferson Starship talk page is actually in 3 distinct parts. First, is an argument against AbelGus’s continued reversion of my edits and what I plan to do if it continues. Second, it is a suggested edit for the current introductory section for the Jefferson Starship article which simplifies and clarifies what is up there now while combining different input that has been received so far. It is accurate and has a NPOV which it does not at present. Third, are my reasons behind the edits, in detail, for anyone who would like to discuss any of them. I would say what bothers me the most would be in the first part, and that is not having been allowed to edit the page, according to Wikipedia rules, for years. I would then say, that a review of my suggested edit would be preferred so that it can replace what is up there now. The third part is simply there for any interested party to understand the edits. These are based on the arguments AbelGus has made after automatically reverting my work. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I get what you're trying to do, but it's a lot to process for uninvolved editors, thus discouraging their participation. Usually having things in bite-sized pieces makes it easier for newcomers to address and help.  We're all volunteers.  Unless someone is a big Jefferson Starship fan, it's too much history (band and this dispute) to get caught up on, and it's easier to participate somewhere else.  You made a change, Ablegus reverted it, and then discussed it on the talk page, as he's supposed to do. If you are able to clearly show that he was incorrect, and that your changes were correct, you are free to change them back.  If he reverts again despite you having proof you are right, it is within your options to open up a report on the administrators noticeboard WP:ANI for disruptive editing.  But be careful - unless you have a bulletproof case demonstrating bad behavior and a lack of following policy, you may wind up being the one who is sanctioned and you may even get topic-banned from the article. Since he's shown that he is willing to participate in the discussion (many don't), you should try to narrow down the issues one by one, picking the one that bothers you the most, first, and try to get consensus. I'm starting to glaze over myself, so this will be helpful to me if it's something simple to read and decide. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Tim, Thanks for the advice. It's much appreciated. I understand the "glazing over" for sure. Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 22:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, I have proposed a new edit on the Jefferson Starship article on the talk page. AbleGus has contested it. I wonder if you could have a look an give me some suggestions. Regards, Cheryl Fullerton (talk) 23:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Tim, I've escalated this to ANI, not because I want to get Gus or Cheryl in trouble, but because I'm at a complete loss at what else to do, having tried to mediate the dispute in the same manner as yourself. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that’s probably the best option. I don’t really know what I can do either after having spent a lot of time on this as well, and it’s getting distracting. It shouldn’t take longer to read the talk page discussion than it does to listen to all of the band’s albums. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hi! You revised a draft that I'm currently working on -- John Rainey Adkins. I need a further advice if you are available. You added places that I need to add citations on a few lines. However, many of the citations that I've used in the same section also cite the further down lines that I "need to add citations"... My question is do I cite the same source again, or do I need to move my citation to the end of the paragraph?

I hope that made sense. Thank you!

HollyBells (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It was who added the citations needed tags [].  You can reuse already used citations if they support the statements. If a block of text is supported by a single citation, you can put the citation at the end. If you need multiple alternating citations in the same section with duplicates, you can easily reuse the citations.  See Help:Footnotes. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Reaching out about MasterClass article
Hi, I appreciate all of the help that you've offered to me in the past with the MasterClass article. I see that I've made things a bit complicated there now with all of the outstanding requests and I wanted to see if we could make some more progress with the open requests. I've summarized the outstanding requests here to create some order and would be grateful for any further assistance you can offer so we can move forward improving the article. What I'm asking to change in the article at this time is: I'd love your further assistance, as you've been so helpful up to this point. Thanks! MC Alyssa (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Adding to Reception section, I know there is more discussion needed about this addition (link)
 * 2) Adding to the Classes section (link)
 * 3) Addition of the new CMO, David Schriber, to the infobox (link)
 * 4) Adding a line about the Series F funding to be placed in the history section (link)
 * 5) Adding a line adding the 2021 Webby Awards (link)
 * I added the latest funding news and included the resultant valuation, but don't think it's right to do the other edits. I don't like to include any executives except CEO, Chairman and President, unless they are notable on their own (i.e. have their own article). There's no need to include all the classes - per WP:NOTDIR. People can go to your site. This isn't a brochure. Adding multiple items to the reception and awards sections are the same in my book - they are just advertisements, which we want to avoid. I've done as much as I feel comfortable doing. I hope you'll stay on as an editor for other articles to help build the encyclopedia, since you know sourcing and syntax so well. If you don't have a COI (paid or otherwise) with the subject, I think you'll eventually get a better feel for limiting promotional info as well. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:25, 17 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your response and your explanation about what you revised and what you didn't. I really appreciate that you took the time to look things over. I now see that some of these requests are promotional, but there are some parts of the proposed additions, particularly in the Classes section, that are neutral and have important omissions of facts and history. For instance, in the current Classes section there is outdated material about the class topic choices and how they are presented. The new proposed content includes the composition of classes (10-25 videos, interactive exercises, etc) and that there are more than 100 courses in eleven categories. I understand not listing the specific class choices, but these factual details are important to the historical understanding of MasterClass and its evolution.


 * Thank you for your consideration and continued feedback. MC Alyssa (talk) 18:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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