User talk:Timtrent/Archive 46

About TPG
If you wanna know about the template, Terrible Posture Games is an independent game company founded in 2014 and known for making Tower of Guns, Mothergunship, 3 out of 10, and Invincible Presents: Atom Eve. Waxworker made a category page out of those games and I managed to fill in 3 out of 10 due to Story Kitchen making a TV series out of it. 107.77.198.6 (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Then link it in the header of the template. I am still unsure that it is required. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

DAVID WICHT
Thank you for your review on my DAVID WICHT article. I am not sure how to move the article into FILMMAKER from where it is. Could you guide me on how to do this? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 08:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Karinvanderlaag No. You are paid to understand everything here. This is a volunteer project where paid editors are tolerated, not tutored. Please learn your trade and read and understand what people say. Please also read WP:CIR 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Tim
 * Would you be prepared to write these articles for Film Afrika and David Wicht then?
 * I have been trying to learn this system for 2 years so I clearly do not make the mark.
 * This is not a sarcastic question. I just think that Film Afrika and David Wicht are worth Wikipedia articles. I have a Wikipedia article which appeared without my knowledge and I have done much less than Film Afrika, the company and David Wicht the individual, so I am happy to hand these projects over to anyone at Wikipedia who deems them worthy enough to take on.
 * Kind Regards
 * Karin Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are clearly having a laugh! You are getting paid to write these articles and you are seriously suggesting that someone else does the work for you! Theroadislong (talk) 09:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Theroadislong I asked Open AI to rephrase "They are taking the piss" somewhat more politely, bit it was too polite. I think I can do better with "They are misappropriating the micturatiion" 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You do not deserve a response. I am trying to learn a skill. Clearly you enjoy trying to humiliate those asking for help. I do believe you don't know everything Mr The road is long and one day when you ask for help, I hope you will not be met with lousy puns and schoolboy humour. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My request from Mr Trent was genuine.
 * I clearly do not know how to do this. I can admit what I do and don't know. I know what I am and am not good at. No skin off my nose. Perhaps you two could recommend a writer that I could recommend to people who would like a Wikipedia page or is that also a deadly secret? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:41, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What i am asking by the way, Mr oh so important editor, is how an article gets written on wikipedia if not by one of you smug guys, because clearly getting paid is the last route to take... and even those who claim to be wikipedia writers on the web admit they need an insider. Is that this kabal? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Karinvanderlaag NO. I have never written and will never write any article for pay. And those I will not write free.
 * Please explain No need. I have found it. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How did this happen then Tim Trent? Who wrote my article? I don't appreciate the sarcasm. I am trying to learn a skill. Not an arch attitude. Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Karinvanderlaag THe article creator is list in the history tab. There is no sarcasm here, Instead there is bwidermebnt at ther fact that the article states that you have a degree in English and Drama, and you appear unable to understand written English.
 * I am humiliating no-one. You are now a huge time sink. You are paid to understand how wikipedia works. Please earn your pay. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * bewilderment is spelt like that Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't sign up for a mud slinging match.
 * I am asking for your advice.
 * Do you have any advice on writers I could suggest or not? Karinvanderlaag (talk) 09:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Karinvanderlaag Please do not communicate with me on my talk page again. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

NIILM University
How fix that Issue? Wiki-CBO (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Wiki-CBO Find references as follows:
 * We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow this article to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.
 * The article is vulnerable to deletion as it stands at present 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes,
 * I will update news on it Wiki-CBO (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Wiki-CBO Expanding this, assuming you can prove notability, will be a good exercise to do, an interesting one. Take the time you need and work carefully, please. There is no deadline. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Great,
 * This university is nearby from apartment. Wiki-CBO (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Karen Oppenheim Mason
Thank you for your comments on my article on Karen Oppenheim Mason. She was president of the Population Association of America in 1997, and therefore meets notability criterion #6 for academics. I can add a link to the PAA website showing this, and I can also add dois to her citations. What other documentation is required? Eklanche (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Eklanche Yes, she likely meets it, but you have to prove with references that she meets it. For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Timtrent I added some more information and references, and added DOIs for her citations. I have resubmitted it and hope it will pass review this time. Eklanche (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Eklanche I hope it will too. Another reviewer will review it. I almost never review more than once 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello a gazillion years later
I saw your reverts on the Fairfax High School article and I realized it's been around 8 years since our paths last crossed. I have had that article on my watch list since I first figured out what a watch list is; it's in my neighborhood and it's legendary for its alumni. (I live in the the Fairfax District.) Anyway. Hello! I hope you are well. Julie JSFarman (talk) 01:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @JSFarman What a lovely blast from the past. I found the school when following the odd edits from an editor who was "careless" in their editing! 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Careless! Lol. You have always been much nicer than me. :)  JSFarman (talk) 07:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @JSFarman I doubt it. But I express it with militant politeness. See below. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I removed some turbocharged hype from the Will Tanous article and left an edit summary that said should not throw up in one's mouth when reading Wikipedia articles."  I win! JSFarman (talk) 07:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @JSFarmann You have the Tao of snark 😈 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me! I am honored.  Thank you!  JSFarman (talk) 16:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Karin van der Laag deletion of page
Hi Tim

I can send you my CV. I have been in many significant international films and television series, that the bot or whoever wrote my Wikipedia article did not include.

Again, I am asking who wrote it in the first place, before I had a chance to work on it and make it better? You have not answered this question.

It appeared one day out of nowhere as I have said before.

I have never paid any publicist to put any article of me anywhere. If you were familiar with what actors get paid in South Africa you would understand this.

I find the timing of the deletion of my page suspect.

I will be reporting this.

Why is my page suddenly attacked because you are angry at my "tone" or whatever has offended you about me and the David Wicht article.

Please be transparent.

I have looked at the deletion page and it looks like a bunch of vultures laughing up their sleeves enjoying putting someone down.

I contest this deletion.

Who put it up in the first place.

Karinvanderlaag (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Karinvanderlaag: why does it matter who "put it up"? And why are you grilling Timtrent about this, as if he is somehow accountable for that article's provenance?
 * But since you ask, it was created in November 2020 by, who has subsequently been blocked indefinitely. I don't know if other versions have been created before or since, but that is the one that was deleted following a recent Articles for Deletion discussion.
 * HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It matters who put it up because it seems that putting an article up is impossible without the help of one of you guys but taking it down seems to happen in an instant is someone like Tim Trent gets angry with you meaning me. So spitefully removes my page because I called him out on his tone towards me about David's page. That, dear DoubleGrazing is why it matters Karinvanderlaag (talk) 12:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Karinvanderlaag No, thank you. Do not send me anything.
 * I saw it, I saw that, as presented, you do not pass any of our notability criteria, and I nominated if for deletion. Others discussed it and agreed. This it was deleted.
 * I am about to warn you formally against incivility on your user talk page.
 * Do not ever post on my talk page again. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Robert_W._Amler
Hi @Timtrent

I added information to the article based on the information requested. Would you be able to take a look? Draft:Robert W. Amler Jrodriguezrentas (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jrodriguezrentas I am mystified. I said and you appear to have misunderstood that as encouragement to edit it further. 🇺🇦  Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Sock
User:ChineseDognut is just another sock puppet of User:Tochi Clement, seeing the Johnel page history. The subject has prevented been vandalising the article. A checkuser tool should prove this! 102.89.23.163 (talk) 16:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * See here. A new user User:ChineseDognut, out of the blue, nominating an article he previously vandalising for speedy deletion. 102.89.23.223 (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am sure you are correct 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See Sockpuppet investigations/TheChineseGroundnut where you may wish to comment. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thank you for understanding. Also, if you go to the sock puppet investigation page of User:Tochi Clement you'll also notice that this is the exact same claim User:ChineseDognut makes of the article. 102.89.23.223 (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have suggested that the two investigations be linked, as you will see. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How am I a sockpuppet, I have edited only on one draft Draft:Muyeez, I've spent days learning about wikipedia policy and how to make new articles. I'm not the one that banned TheChineseGroundnut, I was editing Muyeez draft and learning from everywhere I could, then I found out that TheChineseGroundnut has been banned and Adambenji is a sockpuppet to the user and Johnel was created by Adambenji, review and approved by the same person TheChineseGroundnut. I'm only doing what every wikipedia editor would do. 中国人 狗坚果 (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Because you've used several scope like this (starting a total different topic to cover up and use it as a point to defend yourself) and later on, get caught. A checkuser will look Into it and most definitely, you would be blocked. It's so obvious that you're another sock! 102.89.23.215 (talk) 16:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're only angry because a newbie on wikipedia caught your act and reported you. 中国人 狗坚果 (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Either you are or you are not. That is what the investigation will determine. Me? I don't care either way. I think you are, so I started the investigation. Others will judge. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Enough, now. This discussion is not relevant here. Discuss it, or not, at the sockpuppet investigation, not here 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Help to make my article better
Hello Fiddle,

Thank you so much for giving comments on my article. I was kindly requesting you to help me edit my article Draft: Nicholas Omonuk as I have received 3 past declines and I have always made edits but I dont know exactly which areas I go wrong. Could you assist me in this area. Clare Nassanga (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Draft:Nicholas Omonuk is the article Clare Nassanga (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Clare Nassanga I will assist, but not in the way you expect. I will teach you to fish rather than give you some fish.
 * The article needs rewriting. The existing text is the wrong place to start.
 * Please start by reading this essay and pay special attention to the process. Start with references.Do not wrote a single word until you have looked at the references. Do they show that he passes WP:BIO? if they do, yhen create a storyboard from what you select from them to say. Then, using 100% of your own words, write the article.
 * If they do not show he passes, abandon the project until he does things that others write about with significant coverage in multi independent secondary sources and then write the article 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Maratha Confederacy
Thank you for calling our attention to the edit-warring report. I thought briefly of closing the DRN case, which is what is done if there is also a dispute at WP:ANI, but then I realized that sometimes at WP:ANEW the edit-warriors may be told to request mediation at DRN. So I will just wait and see what happens next, either another post by an involved editor, or an uninvolved admin action. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Robert McClenon I feel in my water that the ANEW report was filed maliciously as part of the dispute. I do not see much good faith exhibited by those in dispute. I think your approach to be sound, though DRN is an area I have never become involved in. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The other editors have not replied, even though you told one of them that it would be polite to advise the DRN people whether they were going to participate. Now I will close the DRN report as ignored.  Somebody may get blocked unless they go off and edit in other articles.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon Not that you need my agreement, but I agree. They are none of them well behaved, I think. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Psychomodulatory substances wikipage review
Hi Timtrent, thank you for your review of my draft wikipage Psychomodulatory subtances.

I now edited the text according to your suggestion - making it explicitly clear it is a potential (proopsed) legal category, and in the Czech Republic.

If there are any other inadequacies, welcome to notify me. Jiny333 (talk) 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Grangetown Boys Club F.C.
Morning, I’m quite unsure as to why Grangetown Boys Club F.C. has been moved to being a draft. Looks like the bulk of the article that was initially changed with something that was already a draft. My initial creation of the article certainly passes WikiProject Football/Notability. Cheers. NouveauSarfas (Talk page) 10:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @NouveauSarfas I was, and remain, of the opinion that the article, as presented, did not pass. Your opinion differs from mine, and I will not obstruct any further action by you.
 * Thank you for contacting me. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @NouveauSarfas: as I've also come across these drafts (why two, BTW?), and remember thinking after a quick glance that notability wasn't there, I'm curious on what basis you're so sure that this "certainly passes"? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


 * No idea what the second draft is about, however, Grangetown Boys Club were promoted to the Northern Football League Division Two - that certainly meets "England: Clubs that play or have played at step 6 of the National League System (level 10 of the English football league system), or in the FA Cup, FA Trophy, FA Amateur Cup or FA Vase generally meet WP:GNG criteria." as put out by WP:FOOTYN. NouveauSarfas (Talk page) 10:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @NouveauSarfas: oh okay, thanks for explaining. You'll note that FOOTYN is not a policy, but an essay. And it doesn't say that a club playing at step 6 is notable, only that for such a club sources are likely to exist which meet GNG. In other words, GNG is still the criteria that must be satisfied. I can't remember of the top of my head whether WP:NFOOTY said something about club notability, when it was still in force, but now that it no longer applies, WP:NTEAM clearly makes clubs subject to GNG.
 * Sorry, I thought you were working together with the author of the other draft, given the similar contents and timing. My bad, shouldn't make assumptions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, appreciate the explanation. NouveauSarfas (Talk page) 10:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Bilkis Bano
Hello, Timtrent. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Bilkis Bano, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again&#32;or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

User talk:BrownHairedGirl
Just so you know, any automated Twinkle messages placed on that talk page usually gets reverted by plenty of other users. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 07:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Iggy the Swan I kind of knew that. But thank you. I had not even noticed that she was the creator. She is someone I miss. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have now realised that users who are about to start discussions about page creations don't know who the page creator is until you make the edit on their talk page. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 07:47, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Iggy the Swan to be fair, we do (it may be an option in prefs), but we have to check, then we have to know, etc, etc. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:51, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, you re leaving an impression of witch hunting. Can you just stop.
Hello, you re leaving an impression of witch hunting. Can you just stop please. Are you the only reviewer on Wikipedia? Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * @Frankincense Diala: complete nonsense, and very much bordering on a personal attack. Please do not pursue this line any further.
 * And no, Timtrent is not the only reviewer on Wikipedia (even if he is one of the best); there are quite a few of us. Would you, perhaps, like me to review this draft next? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you think you are better of and of good conscience then go ahead please. Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala: I am most definitely not "better of" (sic), but I am a different reviewer, which is what you implicitly asked for. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala I would say that DoubleGrazing has skills at least as good as my own. They and I know what will, and what will not, be acceptable here. There are nuances of difference between us because we are individuals. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala The only reason you trip over me so often is that you transgress so often. You will find that Wikipedians follow things through. An example is that when I find breaches of copyright I try hard to find them all.
 * @DoubleGrazing You are very kind with the "one of the best" comment. Thank you. I don't feel I deserve it. Please do review this editor's draft next. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Breaches of Wiki Commons? Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala Commons matters are dealt with on Wikimedia Commons, where you are blocked for a week currently for copyright violations. That seemed to be the only way to get your attention there. However, I will not deal with this on Wikipedia, only on Commons. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala I expect you are complaining about Articles for deletion/Green Growth Africa, too. Please offer policy based comments there if you wish. You are entitled to comment 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's okay. I don't have a problem with you or that. I only feel you the Wiki administrators should help us grow in the Wiki Space, especially passionate editors like myself. Frankincense Diala (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala I am not an administrator. I am an ordinary editor, as you are. Even if I were an administrator there are no special privileges that role would grant me when reviewing drafts. Reviewers are simply experienced volunteers. Our duty is twofold:
 * we have a primary duty to Wikipedia to accept only drafts which meet the needs of Wikipedia. This does not mean we have to like, nor to approve, of the topic, We apply the rules of WP:N and WP:V. We also look for good prose (subjective).
 * we have a secondary duty to editors using the process to review openly, transparently, clearly, and honestly so that they may learn, if they choose to.
 * We are subject to community scrutiny and must be able to justify any review, any acceptance, any rejection.
 * You suggest you need to be helped to grow. I agree. And that is why I helped you with a substantial review of a draft. You then ignored this review and moved that draft to mainspace at 23:27, 4 July 2024. Then you moved it back to Draft on 06:34, 5 July 2024. I reinstated the review history. You removed the review history, which I reinstated with a request not do so again. You removed it again.
 * And still you disregarded the review and resubmitted it for further review.
 * Helping you seems to be like a game of whack a mole. You ask for advice, then you ignore it and do something else, or the same again. If you are going to learn to grow please take notice of the review and help you ask for.
 * Please put your energy and enthusiasm to good use and do the work required.
 * (@DoubleGrazing, do you have any advice or comments you wish to add?) 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Nothing to add, that seems a very good summary, and advice, and I certainly couldn't have put it so well myself; but thanks for asking. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. I didn't ignore the corrections. I went back to work and haven done the needed corrections to the best of my knowledge, I implore you to take a careful look at the draft and its citations. I specifically asked if you are conversant with Nigerian Authority Sites, because you will see the draft has got citations coming from reliable sources (with presence on Wikipedia even). I am willing to do more. Frankincense Diala (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala I disagree completely. You chose the action of resubmitting for review without dealing with the existing review. Ergo, you ignored the review. I may yet choose to give you further help, but will wait until you have handled the existing help first. The manner of your handling of it will inform my decision to help you further. This includes answering your questions. I am offended by your behaviour, both towards me and towards Wikipedia. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't agree with you either that I resubmitted without dealing with the existing to the best of my knowledge; gor instance, I was asked to remove "Research Gate" as s source and I did. And for the offense, I apologise.  Frankincense Diala (talk) 17:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala You do not need to agree. Please see the evidence for all to see at the revision history where you will find it all set out in black and white.
 * I will consult with DoubleGrazing, and, if they have the time, interest and inclination, the will be able to confirm that your impression of the reality is not the reality. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:05, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't comment on whether felt that they had adequately addressed the reasons for the earlier decline, or for that matter whether they genuinely even understood those reasons (ie., the concept and interpretation of notability, in the Wikipedia context), but I can say that the resubmitted draft certainly still failed on the key decline grounds of notability: I don't think a single one of the sources cited counts towards the WP:GNG standard, and certainly not many enough to satisfy it. That's what this seems to me to essentially boil down to, and that's why the latest decline was ultimately correct. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Then you are not a Reviewer Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:47, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Then you are not experienced enough to be a reviewer to Bio of a Living Person Frankincense Diala (talk) 20:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala Forgive me for pointing out the blindingly obvious. You wish to learn and grow. However, when offered advice you resist, you insult. The advice @DoubleGrazing has given you is correct. The advice that I have given you is correct.
 * Comparing this with your expressed desire to learn and grow I find a serious disconnect.
 * I have run out of any ability to help you. Your actions are diametrically opposed to your words. I will spend no more time advising you. I will, however, insist on quality in the work you produce. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:55, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You want to insist on qualities yet you see my opinion as insult when one of the qualities of sn editor in your position (reviewer) is to be patient and tolerant. Frankincense Diala (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Frankincense Diala If you take a pace back from the fact that you are involved with some of my actions, and examine them dispassionately, you will find that they are calm, patient, and tolerant. I have worked hard to advise you patiently and with tolerance.
 * Once you stop fighting advice and reviews and start working collegially you will find things go far more smoothly for you.
 * While you have explained on your user talk page that you are not paid to edit here, and that you receive no reward, broadly construed, from your edits, this conversation is very similar to any with a WP:COI editor striving to force their opinion on Wikipedia, striving to force their draft, their way, into mainspace.
 * Please put your considerable efforts into correcting the draft and then resubmitting it. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you Frankincense Diala (talk) 19:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Timtrent, I put a stop to the draft (your good advice went unheeded) and this section makes me think that the editor needs to be stopped as well. Hey, I appreciated the enormous amount of time and energy you put into draft review. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I smell fish with this editor. Good call. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Forgot to ping 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)