User talk:Tinton5/Archive 2

I don't know if you know about this...
Contributor copyright investigations/Tinton5  Quasy Boy  05:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was notified. – Tinton5 (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh. Seems like pages like are created if user makes a number of copyright violations. I hope the investigation will pass, you're a good editor. :)  Quasy Boy  15:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I am sure it will not be a problem. I try to improve pages, not hurt them. Thanks for your support. – Tinton5 (talk) 17:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Bicycle page I noticed
Hi there. I noticed you created the page, Bicycle bell. I was surprised that this page was never on here before. I was wondering if you could consider making an article about the bicycle mirror. I mean, there are pages for practically all parts of a bike on here. Thanks! – Tinton5 (talk) 14:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked it and thanks for helping improve it. As for bicycle mirrors, here's a start, though it is probably not what you mean. It might be a little tougher to make a full article without the legal requirement that the bell has. -AndrewDressel (talk) 15:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah not a problem. I clicked on that link and it sent me to the rear-view mirror page, in the bicycle section. I like this, and figured it would make sense to be on that page. It definitely is a start. – Tinton5 (talk) 17:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Re Politz Day School
I've added enrollment info and some other sources. It's not great, but it's a start. Keep up the great work on all things New Jersey, an area where it seems almost impossible to keep up with the pace of your edits, expansions and new articles. I hope this helps. Alansohn (talk) 23:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks and same to you. It looks great, by the way. Tinton5 (talk) 23:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. And thanks for populating the People from Point Pleasant, New Jersey category that I had just created. I was ready to start plugging away and you'd done it already. Thanks again! Let me know when I can return the favor. Alansohn (talk) 18:42, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure, and will do. – Tinton5 (talk) 00:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Anne Robinson‎
Oh, OK, fair enough - my mistake -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:27, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Summit Medical Group
Thanks for your offer to help with the Summit Medical Group page. I did a few revisions to come closer to the guidelines for neutral point of view, and removed some sections that others seemed to find promotional (even though I originally believed they helped establish notability). I'd really appreciate additional suggestions that you think might help improve the article and take it off of the list for possible deletion. NJmeditor (talk) 12:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I fixed it up a bit, and I also put a comment on the talk page. It definitely does not read as a promotional page, in fact it seems much better than its original status. Anyway, always glad to help. – Tinton5 (talk) 00:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Linking to United States
WP:OVERLINK generally discourages linking very common terms, providing an example of "United States" as a term that probably should not be linked, as the articles we're mostly editing are not about the country itself, but about people and places in the U.S. I've generally been unlinking the term when I get to it and that sometimes means removing it from infoboxes that contain the link where it is unlinked or written as "USA" because the template links it for you. I think there are very few people reading these articles who won't be able to figure out what country we're referring to. Just my thought on the subject. Alansohn (talk) 01:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Old Bridge CDP vs. Township
From where I live in northern Bergen County everything else is South Jersey, but I know that Old Bridge is in your neck of the woods. I just did a move yesterday and figured I'd run it by you. A few months ago the article for "Old Bridge CDP, New Jersey" was renamed "Old Bridge, New Jersey" as the CDP does not actually have "CDP" as part of its name. After a pair of moves, Old Bridge (CDP), New Jersey is the title of the article for the CDP and Old Bridge, New Jersey now redirects to Old Bridge Township, New Jersey. My logic is that 99.9% of the time people who are linking to "Old Bridge, New Jersey" are referring to the township as a whole, not to the CDP, and that in the unlikely event that they want to refer to the CDP they should link directly to it. What are your thoughts on this issue as you are far closer to it than I am? Thanks for all of your continuing New Jersey editing efforts. Alansohn (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a problem, and great catch. I believe it should stay as it is. When typing in just Old Bridge, New Jersey, most would expect to see the actual township page. When I type in Old Bridge in the search bar, the first result in the bar pops down which reads Old Bridge Township, New Jersey. I don't know if that only occurs with my computer or perhaps others as well. So, this would be my thought. On the other hand, in another part of the state (about 40 minutes from me), there is a similar issue regarding a CDP. Would you mind taking a look at this page: Talk:Hamilton Square, New Jersey. Thanks a lot. – Tinton5 (talk) 19:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * By the way, was it a coincidence that I just happen to start a page in my user space entitled The Shoppes at Old Bridge? If you noticed my contributions. – Tinton5 (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Massive coincidence. I did see that you had added an Old Bridge category to the school district, and that reminded me to approach you. See my response at the Hamilton Square talk page, because this is an interesting issue related to how the Census Bureau organizes CDPs from one census to the next. Alansohn (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Peter Weiss (YouTube)


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Nomination of Kaitlyn DiBenedetto for deletion
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Holly Ravine Farm
Tinton5- I found your article in the Requests for Feedback section. I don't want to sound like a cheerleader, but it was really good- to the point and informative. Well done! Lavacheisfetchez (talk) 12:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:County Routes in NJ
Personally, I think either method would work for describing county routes in NJ. The method that Monmouth County uses is called the Rockland County Scenario, in which the county routes are presented in a list in which each route has a section with infobox road small, a description of the route, and sometimes a junction list. This effort for Monmouth County was started by User:Kacie Jane but was never finished. The other method used in the other 20 counties is fine too as it presents the basic information about each county route. If you would like, you can finish the RCS list for Monmouth County and possibly make similar lists for the other counties. However, individual articles for these county routes should not be created. As for me helping, I am currently doing other contributions to Wikipedia (such as improving stub-class articles in Pennsylvania) but could possibly help in the future. Dough 48 72  23:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, much appreciated. – Tinton5 (talk) 00:37, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Anytime. Dough 48 72  01:01, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Amarnath OKB
Hello Tinton5. I am just letting you know that I deleted Amarnath OKB, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. &mdash; Joseph Fox 01:17, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Cut-and-paste move for Shiloh
I agree that Shiloh, New Jersey should be the title for the article, rather than Shiloh, Cumberland County, New Jersey. The Shiloh, New Jersey article had been a dab page that included an entry for Shiloh, Warren County, New Jersey as a red link, but there appears to be no likelihood of that article ever being created. GNIS reports a populated place called "Shiloh" in Warren County in or around Blairstown, New Jersey, but the Census Bureau and Postal Service list no other Shiloh in the state, and the borough in Cumberland County should carry the name without any disambiguation. The problem is that the title change needs to be implemented as a page move, which will change the title and also move the history along with it, per How to fix cut-and-paste moves. The first step is to undo the cut-and-pastes in both articles to restore both articles to the status quo ante. Once that is done, if a page move won't work then this needs to be done properly through the Requested moves process. Alansohn (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure who did it, but the moves have been undone. Add this to Requested moves to effect the change that is needed here. Alansohn (talk) 16:50, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure either who did that. I just requested the page move here. Tinton5 (talk) 00:48, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Twitter and WP:ELOFFICIAL
Greetings! I see you've been adding Twitter links to a number of articles. However, for some of the articles, like Jennette McCurdy, there is already a link to the subject's official website, and a link to her Twitter feed is readily available there. Per WP:ELOFFICIAL, the number of links is to be minimized. It particularly points out Twitter and social media links in these situations as links that should not appear in the External links section. Accordingly, I've removed some of the links you added. —C.Fred (talk) 04:08, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Deletion
Moot point, but suggest if you tag an article for deletion and invite someone to comment on it then please choose a header from the many available here Criteria for deletion so that they can, or inquire directly B4 doing so. Speedy wasn't the way to go. ThanksDjflem (talk) 22:03, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Putting Farmingdale in Howell Township category
There's more than enough entries to justify the Category:Howell Township, New Jersey that are directly related to Howell Township, New Jersey itself. I'm not sure why it would be justified under the Wikipedia categorization scheme to include entries for the Farmingdale School District and Farmingdale, New Jersey. I know they are mentioned in the description of the category, but they break the logical structure of including entries that are in or directly connected to the category title itself. Alansohn (talk) 18:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the same goes with Category:Manalapan Township, New Jersey. Here, I put in some entries related to Englishtown, which is surrounded by Manalapan and used to be part of it until 1888. With Farmingdale, it is the same situation, where Farmingdale is surrounded by Howell and used to be part of the Township. I am not against putting those categories separate from the rest, as in Farmingdale School District and Farmingdale, NJ and the Manalapan category for Englishtown, NJ. But, what would be your view? Tinton5 (talk) 04:57, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, Category:Medford, New Jersey includes entries for Medford and Medford Lakes.


 * Okay, so here's the reasoning for the category, to include both Howell entries and Farmingdale ones. The page Howell High School (New Jersey) says in the lead sentence "located in Howell Township, New Jersey", where in the info box, and the school's official website state it is located at 405 Squankum-Yellowbrook Road in Farmingdale, NJ. I find this a bit contradicting. Tinton5 (talk) 05:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The mailing address is Farmingdale, but Howell High School is located in Howell Township. I would limit a category to what's actually in it, for all of the categories affected. Alansohn (talk) 02:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

re American History High School
Thanks for the tweaks and added categories to the American History High School article. I knew I'd forget to make a change somewhere, but how embarrassing to forget to change the title. Thanks again for all of your efforts! Alansohn (talk) 02:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Dance Your Ass Off
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Vlasopulos family

Dear Tinton5,

I would like to upload two free pictures about the article Vlasopulos family and I will need your help about this. The proccess of uploading to en.wikipedia has diffrences from Greek wikipedia. I wait answer soon.

Yours sincerely

Michaelglem

17:47 25 September 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelglem (talk • contribs) 14:47, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of EMU Australia


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Proposed deletion of Rosetti (company)


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Good writing
I see you work on New Jersey topics too. Excellent writing. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: GCC
Thank you! I'm currently working on putting in references, although I dislike how many of them are from GCC's website. Allens (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Princetons discussion
Just wanted to mention as a WPNJ participant, you might want to discuss the situation with the now-near confirmed Princeton merge. (Discussion is being held at Talk:Borough of Princeton, New Jersey at the WPNJ talk page). Mitch32(Never support those who think in the box) 03:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks
I was offline much of the morning and was scanning through my edit watch list of NJ-related articles. I couldn't help but notice that so many of the edits were yours, reverting vandalism, cleaning up wording, improving and adding references. It was ironic that as I was silently appreciating your work, that you were leaving the recognition for me, just as I was thinking that you deserve recognition for your work. I certainly appreciate your barnstar and I want to extend my strongest appreciation for all of your work in the never-ending task of improving our overall coverage of all things New Jersey related. I'd hate to have anyone think that my leaving a barnstar for you was a quid pro quo for this one, but I will find the right moment to express my ongoing appreciation for your efforts. Alansohn (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

tx
... for the barnstar!--Epeefleche (talk) 01:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for the award. I appreciate it. Enjoy. Hmains (talk) 22:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:Dan Schneider TV producer recurring actors
I'm not sure about St. James appearing on The Amanda Show. And Cosgrove did appear on All That, on the 10th Anniversary show along with Peck and Butcher. I forgot to add Kopelow and Christopher Michael, I'll add them. :)  Quasy Boy  18:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of New Jersey Turnpike
The article New Jersey Turnpike you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:New Jersey Turnpike for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article.  Imzadi 1979  →   02:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Bearpaw (footwear)
Hello, Tinton5, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!

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Thanks again for your contributions!  S ven M anguard  Wha?  17:41, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of EMU Australia for deletion
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November 2011
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Bloody Knuckles
The appropriate way to contest the deletion of this page is at WP:DRV.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  19:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I've placed a copy of it here: User:Tinton5/Bloody Knuckles.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  20:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Re:New Jersey Turnpike
If I get time, I will try to help improve the article. Dough 48 72  17:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

New Page Patrolling
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Re: NJ Tpke
I'd withdraw immediately if I were you personally. There are boatloads of unsourced statements, probably enough to fill the Navesink. The article needs its photography realigned a bit, and honestly, nothing really has changed but some nicely designed citations. No article should go to GAN when 40% of the article is unsourced. Main parts that need work are the history (about 75% unsourced) and the route description, which is 99% unsourced. A lot of the history needs expansion into details, including why was 15X constructed. The Exit 8 redesign stuff is way too large and needs shrinking. After all that is done, I'd get an outside copyeditor to do some work, then GAN it. Mitch32(Never support those who think in the box)</FONT> 20:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * On a related note, I've replied to your help desk inquiry.--Slon02 (talk) 22:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Camden County Library for deletion
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 * I've responded to this, as have a couple of others, including by adding a current total of 3 citations from news media. Allens (talk) 15:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! Thanks for your help! Tinton5 (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

By the way...
I responded to this: Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion.  Quasy Boy  06:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I saw the draft, btw. Hopefully it will become an article again. Tinton5 (talk) 15:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's if anyone wants to put in Deletion review, again.  Quasy Boy  16:16, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Pinelands Center at Mount Misery
Hello,

Nice new page for the above located at Mount Misery (New Jersey).

Question/suggestion: Wouldn't the official name be more appropriate for the article title?

Gjs238 (talk) 12:23, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello, thank you so much. I have an interest in creating NJ-related pages (roads, buildings, place names, rivers, etc). Feel to take a look at some of the ones I have started and/or made large contributions to. I agree that the title for Mount Misery should be changed to its official name. You can change it if you like. Thanks for the suggestion. Tinton5 (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, moved the page and took care of the redirects. I just didn't want to start an edit war or anything negative.  Great article BTW.  Gjs238 (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Nolet Het Reymerswale & De Echoput
A restaurant holding a Michelin star run of the mill, I don't think so. About the Dutch sources: are you familiar with WP:NONENG and WP:GNG (states: Sources are not required to be available online, and they are not required to be in English.) and WP:ORG (States in the footnotes: Inclusion in "best of", "top 100", and similar lists generally does not count towards notability, unless the list itself is so notable that each entry can be presumed notable. Examples of the latter include the Fortune 500 or a Michelin Guide to restaurants.)? Night of the Big Wind <sub style="color:maroon;">talk  03:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)