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I thought the same thing about AWB the 500 "Mainspace" edits. I've aplied twice and got shot down both times, Good Luck Mlpearc (talk) 00:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Strange I thought you would of got an answer by now ? Mlpearc (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Congrats ! Mlpearc (talk) 12:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Removal of comment at MfD
Hi, Tisane, I've restored the comment you removed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Daniel TIsdale because it is best to retain all of the discussion for history purposes. Also, I've added the and tags to your "Move to mainspace" comment because you changed your vote to "keep". If you wish to unstrike that comment, feel free to do so. Cheers, Cunard (talk) 09:25, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Threatening the President of the United States

 * Just read the article, top to bottom. What a fantastic article! harej  21:02, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

United States federal laws governing offenders with mental diseases or defects
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RPED extension
Hi, that looks really interesting! I'll take a look and see if I can use it - it would certainly be very useful. At the moment, I just style everything blue and have a link on the "page not found" error - this would be much nicer. Thanks for the link, and thanks for working on it :) --h2g2bob (talk) 00:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:2010 Pentagon shooting page
the below information is incorrect, this text is still on the current talk page, I missed it as it is hidden as an archived debate under this heading: "personal attacks and general commentary not related to article improvement" sorry for the confusion. cheers, Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 09:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tisane,

I was looking at the "Talk:2010 Pentagon shooting" history pages and noticed this:

-- Alison, you, personally, deleted a page that would definitely be of interest to anyone wanting to understand the shooter mere hours after the shooting with a offhanded 'offtopic'. But the page had been there for months - it magically became 'offtopic' mere hours after the shooting? Since then you and other editors on Meta Wiki have been actively suppressing any commentary about that deletion. For you to revert the edit *here* about something directly involving yourself with an airy wave of your hand without even acknowledging your own direct involvment is dishonest. Benjamin Franz (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

And now a 1 YEAR block has been put on the IP address I used to post to Meta. Strangely, this happened after I posted here - and without any additional posts to Meta. Allegedly my home computer is a 'Open Proxy' or a 'Zombie'. News to me. I had ignored the political whinging over the last few years about how Wikipedia had descended into blatant abuse of power by admins and sysops. Evidently I was wrong. Benjamin Franz (talk) 05:23, 6 March 2010 (UTC) --

These above comments were deleted from the talk page too. I don't think it is right that this user has been treated this way, it looks to me like he was being conscientious. I don't know if there is anything we can do about it, what do you think?

cheers, Jamie24.108.77.192 (talk) 09:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Here is the page link to the talk history: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2010_Pentagon_shooting&oldid=348048152 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 09:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for your support on village pump.

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"Wikipedia's misguided reliance on what lamestream academia considers 'reliable sources' is going to become more and more unworkable as academic journals and such decrease in importance and influence, and self-published sources become more and more prevalent. But a reform of the system would require an overhaul not just of sourcing policy but of all the other policies, such as notability, that are tied to it. And I just don't see that happening anytime soon, if ever."

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Radovan Jelašić
dear tisane,

my name is predrag miljevic and i am a student at the university of illinois at chicago (uic). you can call me sentimental but as i am about to graduate from this great university i was browsing through the "uic site" on wikipedia. i have a suggestion for some editing which i am writing to you about since i am very new to this concept and have never edited on wikipedia before (i don't even have an account). i found your name by clicking on the discussion/history button and really hope you can help me with that.

my suggestion, what i would like to add, is the following and is concerned with notable faculty and alumni:

Radovan Jelasic is the current governor of the national bank of serbia. his personal "wikipedia site" lists a short academic biography and mentions the university of illinois at chicago as he obtained a Master's degree of Business in Finance from there. this is the direct link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Jela%C5%A1i%C4%87 clicking on this link you will also find a picture of him that would be more than suitable to use.

can you add radovan jelasic, the governor of the national bank of serbia, to the notable uic alumni section of their wikipedia site? as radovan jelasic is of serbian, although born in Hungary, and chicago has the largest serbian population outside of serbia, i am sure and i know for a fact that many people would like and appreciated that kind of change.

if you have any concerns, suggestions or comments please don hesitate do contact me under pmilje2@uic.edu.

thank you very much for your time.

respectfully,

Predrag Miljevic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.193.26.116 (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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There are a lot of things that need to be changed whenever a centralized discussion page like one of the village pumps is moved, so it would be better to get a consensus going first rather than possibly having to change this multiple times, creating a mess of redirects and such, and confusing page watchers. Equazcion ( talk ) 17:55, 25 Apr 2010 (UTC)

I attempted to revert your move of the village pump (development), but the mess of redirects remained, and admin intervention is now needed. Remember to seek consensus before making drastic page moves. Immunize (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. Will do. Tisane (talk) 18:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks so much.
Much appreciate it.

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Assassinating, kidnapping, and assaulting the government officials of the United States
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Jury duty article.
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Speedy deletion of Template:Immigration regulations of the world
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Thanks. It took me a few tries to get it to look right. Torchiest talk/contribs 03:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

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It appears that the download for mw:Manual:Wikibot is no longer available. I don't have a copy of the original, is there another source for the files? — surlyanduncouth (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
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 * OK, I got it working after downloading PHP (Vista, by the way). It appears as though I log in successfully, but it stops and quits soon after. I got testbot working correctly however (he added "Hello world!" to the sandbox). I think it has something to do with, but I'm not certain for obvious reasons. — surlyanduncouth (talk) 05:24, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems it was a combination of both of those errors. It works beautifully. Thank you so much! — surlyanduncouth (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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Articles for deletion nomination of Anarcho-nihilism
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Speedy deletion nomination of March for the Cure
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Speedy deletion nomination of Proving too much
A tag has been placed on Proving too much requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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 * Hi Tisane, I contested the speedy deletion of proving too much on your behalf. The rationale used seems spurious and it looks to be the beginnings of a fine article. You may want to watchlist it to monitor the progress. Zelse81 (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I agree, for what it's worth - a huge number of very good articles are deleted more and more because of people being far too rigid in applying the criteria. We really need a common-sense litmus test - there's an obvious difference between a stub article that is encyclopedic and the manifold articles which consist of teenagers making fun of each other, Myspace bands, product spam and the like. That or some sort of dump where Speedy'd articles would be stored for, say, a week after they're deleted, for secondary review. Well, enough of my ranting - good luck and good wiki-ing to you. Zelse81 (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, you just touched the third rail of wiki-politics.  Tisane  talk/stalk 16:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)