User talk:Titoxd/Archive14

Old Skool Esperanzial note
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Gracias
Gracias por tu apoyo. Te lo agradezco.--Rockero 00:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Many thank for the rapid user page revert and defacee block. Kuru talk  04:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:
Heh, thanks for the note. :) The next election is in June I gather, and yes, I do plan to run for it. Best of luck with the remainder! --  Ban  e  z  07:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mitch
Awesome! That link is perfect. Like you, I am busy with schooling, but hopefully in the coming weeks I'll have more time on here. Hurricanehink 11:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.
I can't tell you why, you'll just have to take my word for it. No reply necessary.  + + Lar: t/c 20:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Admin coaching
(cross-posted from my talk page) Thank you both for your comments; they were very helpful. Yes, I would like to participate again. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Assessment tables for WP1.0
Hi Tito, I don't want to keep you from your studies, but if you're online perhaps you can quickly answer a question. I seem to recall you putting together a short example of a assessment table (similar to what we use at WVWP) that included "Importance." Can you tell me where to find that? I wanted to set up the bare bones of a chemistry table for Oleg to test his bot with, and model it on that. Do you think I should use a transcluded table like User:Walkerma/SandboxB, or a non-transcluded one like we use at WVWP? I want to make sure that it's the most efficient format, because I know how on Wikipedia sometimes prototypes can end up being archetypes! I'm making it just chem, because with over 500 entries in the table it'll be large enough! Thanks, Walkerma 02:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

A start on WP1.0 bot parsing
Hi Titoxd. I wrote a first rough script, with the result being at User:Mathbot/WP1.0. Wonder if you can comment at User talk:Mathbot/WP1.0. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

genre
Hey, just wondering, do you know if it would be possible to make genre put an article in Category:No-Class music genre articles if no class paramater has been passed to it? --MilkMiruku 01:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * cheers for the help with that btw :) --MilkMiruku 13:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Start & stub class articles not showing up as categories
Hi Tito, I see you're busy changing assessment templates, so it seems like a good time to catch you. I have now tagged around 50 chemistry articles (only 500 to go!) with assessments in the banners. I notice that the A and B-Class articles show up in their cats, but Start and Stub class don't, even though the assessment appears correctly at the bottom of the template. Any reason why? Can you fix that? Thanks, Walkerma 04:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC) See Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Chemistry articles for examples. Walkerma 04:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Defcon
Hey, that's my line! T e  k  e  06:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * grumbles Okay, you got the date on me. But I refuse to concede defeat!  I call it a meeting of the minds :)   T  e  k  e  06:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching notifications
Am I right in thinking that you didn't notify the coaches/coachees recently assigned and currently sitting in 'pending'? I didn't get one when assigned Eivind (I only noticed because I watch the box). I just thought I'd ask because doing so would probably speed things allong a bit :)

Also I'd be happy to take on a second person after I've had more experience coaching Eivind. Cheers, Petros471 10:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

David Heymann
Thank you for reviewing this article and for providing us some good things to improve. Hopefully this will help us make the article even better. Best, Johntex\talk 15:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Mitch
I see you added a notice on the references section that the references weren't correct, so I finished doing Cite Web for the rest of the sources. Is that what you were referring to? Hurricanehink 01:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, cool. Hurricanehink 01:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Re the whole de-bureaucrating thing
Hi, I never came to thank you for the message you left for me a month ago when I stepped down from being a bureaucrat. Thank you for the things you said, it's good to know there are still plenty of good people about in this project. I do not see myself standing for bureaucrat again anytime soon though who knows what the future may bring! Thank you once again. -- Fr a ncs2000 09:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Images as links
Tito,

I was wanting to use a small arrow image (PNG) and similar as a link ("Click on the arrow to take you to the next level"). In HTML you can do that easily, but in Wikimedia software I can't find how to do that. Do you know if/how this can be done? Thanks, Walkerma 15:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thank you, I did mean something like the little star linking to FA. I'm amazed that this is such a problem, it seems like a big handicap for the software - I know in HTML it's so basic even I (an amateur) was doing links via images in 1995! Maybe it's something to raise at Wikimania in Boston - will you be there? I need to get on writing my proposals for that! I'm planning to give a talk on WP:1.0 and related work, and to hold a discussion on assessment and validation. If you're planning on being there, maybe we should plan a joint proposal?

I always seem to be saying this to you these days, but once again thank you! If one day you find something I can do to help you, please tell me! Cheers, Walkerma 01:04, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

This is Moe


Its true Tito, I AM on wikibreak, sort of...May I pass on my congratulations in the elections, it looks like you came out quite comfortably in front (barring the discovery of your sockpuppet hordes :P), again, congratulations! See you -- 165.165.127.37 18:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Congrats
(Let's all put our congrats in one place :))

I'd like to offer my advance (before anyone decides anything) congrats on winning the ESP election. —   nath a nrd o tcom (T • C • W) 19:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Inanna
Thanks for helping me out with her, but now she's back as ! :( &mdash;Khoikhoi 00:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

IFeito
Titoxd, of course I'm not trying to block any side of a debate, I'm just trying to make those editing get an account and take credit for their edits. The last guys making edits were mostly vandalizing the article. I was trying to avoid that. As you can probably see I've been trying to re-work the article to try to give it a more non POV style. I hope you understand my edits as such, and not as POV against AMLO. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IFeito (talk • contribs) 04:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC).

Scott Thayer deletion
Hey there, could you give a little more detail on the Scott Thayer deletion, how you came to the conclusion, whether you weighed the arguments, etc? Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 05:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, looking at Articles for deletion/Scott Thayer, I discounted votes that focused on the nominator as I always do, then I looked at the tally (8 delete / 2 keep) and the content and timing of the comments. There were two fairly strong keep comments, but they failed to convince other editors who commented after them, which made me conclude that the consensus was to delete the article. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 05:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

AID Vote
Hello. I see you queried in the edit history as to why your vote was removed. I had a quick look, and it appears that you added it to the "removed votes" list by accident when you initially cast your vote. Regards, MartinRe 18:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

es:México
En nombre de todos los que hemos participado en la construcción del artículo sobre México en la wiki en español, te doy las gracias por tu comentario y tu voto. Saludos desde San Lorenzo Tezonco, DF, México. Yavidaxiu

Protect pages?
Could you please protect my userpage and my userbox page? Someone keeps getting new Wikipedia accounts and vandalizing my userpage and userbox page. Also, if it's possible, could you find out the location of the user's IP address, because I think I know who it is. Thanx! Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Cangratulations on your election to the Esperanza Advisory Council. -- Tantalum T  e  lluride ♪ 03:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How odd, Esperanza has a long tradition of throwing the incumbents out. How the heck did you survive? ;-) Congrats,  NoSeptember   talk  03:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Well done and congratulations! Esperanza will certainly benefit from your continuing contributions. -- Nataly a 11:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! First AC member to have a second term. :) --Ter e nce Ong 11:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Congrats :) &mdash; Ilyan  e  p  (Talk)  01:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Assessment template
Tito,

Do you think my suggestion of putting "importance" next to the article name is reasonable? The argument is that it is part of the "fixed" information associated with the article in general rather then part of the "dynamic" information associated with quality & related assessments (date, class, comments). If you're OK with that would you be able to fix Template:Assessment accordingly? I don't want to confuse the bot or upset Oleg (or yourself!).

Also, as you know, we are setting up V0.5 and V1.0. Shouldn't we be including data in our tables like "Approved for 0.5" or "Nominated for V1.0"? This would (I guess) add one more column, as WikiProject probably wouldn't want to lose the "Class" information. What do you think?

Also, Oleg is going to adjust the bot so it stores the version of the article on the day of the assessment change rather than the latest version. This is to address concerns Maurreen had (very valid, I think) that an article may get vandalized after assessment and we would unwittingly release a bad version. Does this change affect how the template is set up? As always, many thanks. Walkerma 05:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, that sounds possible. I've asked Oleg to add a status search if it's easy, but if you think I'm being a nuisance please post a message on the Mathbot page saying it's not needed. I don't want to ask so much that I annoy him, at the same time I know some folks love the challenge of adding things in - I don't know Oleg well enough to judge. The approval system will involve us putting a cat template on each talk page, so I thought it would be very easy for him to add it in, that's why I asked. I'm aware that once we have 10,000 articles in the system (probably sooner than we think!) this will all take a lot of monitoring, so I'm trying to automate things as much as possible. But if we have to, adding the status in manually is feasible since it will not change much (though we may have different releases going on). I really like the idea of icons to show status, though a separate column would be nice. The cyclones articles are unusual in that they tend to have very long names. Walkerma 13:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Rationales to impeach George W. Bush
Help! An anon IP vandal is trying to stoke controversy by deleting NPOV and other tags from this article. Could you pre-protect that page with the NPOV and other tags still in it while the AfD is ongoing? No new material or valuable work is being done on that article now anyway, so a page protect would not be injudicious. Merecat 05:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * yes, there's nothing remotly trollish about filling an article with so many redundant templates that you have to scroll for two pages to even see the article--205.188.116.5 05:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
For cleaning up the attack on my user page. Cheers and Take Care! Anger22 02:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Albatross
Shouldn't you revert the older version before protecting it since right now, the history is destroyed?— G .H e  03:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclones other storm systems section
I solved the problem you brought up on Talk:tropical cyclone by creating Template:Cyclones and adding it to all of the cyclones' articles. The only problem I see is that sometimes the spacing is a bit tight with Template:tcportal. If you don't like my changes revert them or change them. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What I meant to say was that it could solve the problem, as I haven't taken out the other storms section yet. Sorry for not being clear enough. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Articles BedLounge & Husband Pillow
Hi. You were the closing admin for Articles for deletion/OsteoBall. However the nominator also bundled the above mentioned articles into the same deletion vote. They have not been deleted nor were the afd notices ever removed. Big E 1977  03:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

New Version 0.5 page
Tito,

I wanted to mention, I moved Law and Politics over from "Everyday Life" into "Social Sciences and Society," are you OK with that? Education could also move, but it's on the border, I'd say, so I left it. I think some of the transport things could also go under technology rather than everyday life - I put aircraft under "Air transport," should it be under "Engineering and technology" instead? Again, it's on the border - I dare say these things will work themselves out as we get used to the system.

As you might see on the 0.5 Nomination talk page, I'd like to automatically include those pages that we know for definite will pass. That will serve two purposes:
 * It will get us up to several hundred articles very quickly, this initial listing will also help give people a feel for what 0.5 is all about.
 * It will save unnecessary work reviewing articles we know for sure will be in V0.5.

These "obvious" inclusions will include the core topics list (perhaps revised a little - see Vir's and Silence's comments), as well as major topics like Australia that have FA or A-Class articles.

A couple of jobs still to do - write the criteria page (not trivial) and set up the held nominations page (easy - copy from the V0.5 page, perhaps in a different color). I'd like the criteria page to cover material for both 0.5 and 1.0 (in different sections), in collaboration with Maurreen. We also need to agree on definitions of importance, I'd like to base these on the Math definitions, with some modifications.

Hopefully by the time we have that stuff in place the bot will be fully operational, and those of us in academia have finished exams & grading! Then we will be able to contact the WikiProjects with a very nice posting - offering them automatically updating worklists/logs and a clear opportunity to get articles onto V0.5. This should attract people's interest, and we will hopefully see the nominations roll in. You're right, we need to get some reviewers, I hope we can recruit some of the less active members of the WP1.0 team - perhaps they'll be more interested once they realise something is actually happening!

Finally, how do you think we should organise the talk pages for this part of the project? (That's partly why I posted here).

So does this sound like a plan? I'm very tired so I'm off to bed, but if you get a chance to reply I'll take a look at your comments pretty soon (on this page is OK if you prefer). Cheers, Walkerma 04:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, replying point by point:
 * Sure, I agree with those changes. Law was pretty much a mistake on my part, and I guess the transportation entries can work well in Engineering/Technology. Education is also on the border, but I do not hold a strong opinion on it either.
 * As for adding things that will clearly pass both quality and importance criteria, I agree, add them now. However, I think it might be better to hold on sending articles that fail on quality to the nominations page, as there is still a bit of chance of improving those.
 * I agree as well, getting those two pages done is critical. I've asked a few editors from WikiProject Tropical cyclones to look at the nominations/assessment page and see if they're interested in helping us, as we have assessed almost 700 articles by ourselves. I haven't looked at the importance assessments of WP:MATH, but I'll do that soon.
 * I believe the bot is fully operational now; the only things to do would be to add manual comments to the WikiProject tables to see if everything will work as intended, before all the WikiProjects are contacted. That also will give us, who are tortured by those in academia ;) to finish taking final exams.
 * As for the talk page architecture, talk pages can be had for every page, but if that is excessive, redirects can be done to Wikipedia talk:Version 0.5 from the other pages. There should be a prominent link to Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team for all releases, though. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 04:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Great, sounds like we're in agreement then! The bot does still need to add content into the "version" column (to provide a link to what is in effect the article on the day it was assessed), and I think Oleg is considering Kirill's question about automating the importance part as well. Cheers, Walkerma 04:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

My Bad
Sorry about reverting your vandalism fix with VandalProof. I think you were a tad quicker than me so hitting rollback reverted your fix instead of the vandalism. Again, apologies. —Lantoka ( talk 06:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Titoxd.
I would like to give you this barn-star because you protect the vandalism. So, This is for you^^. Please Send me message later, OK? Daniel5127, 02:04, 9 May 2006(UTC)

Michael Kamins
I've just blocked User:Michael Kamins indefinitely as an account that exists solely to stir up trouble. You might like to have a look at this account's User and Talk pages; they look a wee bit like yours. Snottygobble 02:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Status box
Hi,

Just to tell you that I am using your Status box. They look great! - Nick C 16:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Stubs and WP 1.0
You might want to take a look at Stub types for deletion; that discussion could snowball rather messily if left to its own devices. Kirill Lok s h in 18:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: sig
Thanks. Let's see if it works. &#91;&#91;User:Hurricanehink&#124;Hurricanehink (&lt;small&gt;&#91;&#91;User_talk:Hurricanehink&#124;talk]]&lt;/small&gt;)]] 22:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn. Let's try it again. &#91;&#91;User:Hurricanehink&#124;Hurricanehink (&#91;&#91;User_talk:Hurricanehink&#124;talk]])]] 22:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn! Sorry for wasting your space. You can delete this if you want. &#91;&#91;User:Hurricanehink&#124;Hurricanehink &#91;&#91;User_talk:Hurricanehink&#124;talk]]]] 22:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Why didn't I just use the preview.... OK, now you can delete it. Thanks for the heads up. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 22:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 22:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

2005 Storms
Hey, I've got a few things I'd just like to ask you. First something specific, in this pdf file theres a picture of some flooding from Tropical Storm Arlene (2005). I think it is PD, but I'm not sure - can't find any copyright notice on the relevant website (I think its part of the Florida state govt). Is it a PD image? And on more general things, I'm not totally clear how the wikiproject assessment is done on low-class articles. Should I bring reassessment up on the project assessment page (given Irene is a GA now, maybe I should), just up the class myself or find another editor to do that? If its that last one... this is a request then; check my user page to see which articles I would like to be reassessed.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I have never really thought about it yet.. happens when you only pay attention to minor storms; what is the difference between Impact and Aftermath? I have every intention of giving the major storms a major workout — helps if I know what the labels mean...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answers to that lot, I'm learning slowly. Once I finish with 2005 AHS I will understand the basics and will be able to contribute usefully all over the place within the project (I seem good at finding sources...)--Nilfanion (talk) 23:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Had a quick look for stuff on Nora, nothing much not already found. I did see something unusual on NASA's website about Nora — something to do with plankton and salt being carried far inland. Besides the text theres a few pictures which might be appropriate.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Titoxd.
Hi, Titoxd, It's me Daniel5127. I gave you barn-star for you because of catching vandalism. So, Could you send me message on that? Please. Daniel5127, 02:08, 10 May 2006(UTC)


 * Of Course, Hehe, Our job is cleaning the article from Vandalism. Daniel5127, 03:30, 10 May 2006(UTC)

About Flcelloguy's Tool
Hi Titoxd. I've just found Flcelloguy's Tool and it seemed quite interested. I think you are the main developer, am I right? I'd like to discuss a few things with you, about a project I'm on, but would prefer using an instant messenger, like MSN, or Skype. Do you use such? Best regards, Nuno Tavares 06:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Irene on FAC
This kind of thing as a new editor I am totally out of my depth with. The Wikipedia 1.0 assessment criteria implies FA is a better match for Irene than GA - its a complete article. Having read the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Good articles, it seems that there are two de facto types of GAs: Short but FA quality (like Irene) or longer articles with more work still needed (GA-class in the assessment scale). I wonder if there should be a formal split of GA; the GA corresponding to work in progress being GA class and short complete GAs (like Irene) get renamed to "lesser FAs" or similar. Is this a totally mad newbish idea or something sensible?--Nilfanion (talk) 23:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree totally with you here. I don't see how the first line of WP:WIAFA (It exemplifies our very best work) implies anything to do with length — many of the best articles in paper encyclopedias are short and to the point.--Nilfanion (talk) 23:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair use imaging?
Would pictures in the World Meteorological Organization Post-Season report be fair use? Ones in particular I am looking at are the ones in the Odette section. It is a world organization, so I was just curious. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a link. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 00:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If possible, could you help with the image? I tried adding the templates you suggested, though it didn't work. Sorry to bug you... Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Got it, and I requested the commons one for deletion. Image:TS Odette Flooding.JPG is the link. How do I put the Odette link in the Fair Use template? Also, is that the correct way to go about doing a fair use image? Thanks for your help on this. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea, I think it's good. Thanks for your help. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpages. :) CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 04:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)