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Your submission at Articles for creation: Bismuth (cryptocurrency protocol) (December 28)
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Greenman (talk) 06:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bismuth (cryptocurrency protocol) (January 2)
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Rusalkii (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

What does it mean for a source to be independent?
You were asking on IRC channel #wikipedia-en-help about why your draft on Bismuth was not being accepted. The reviewers are asking for independent coverage to establish notability. Let me give you a brief evaluation of your sources to explain why the current sources are not sufficient for notability.

So refs 2-6 are clearly written by the project principals, so are not independent. The Steemit post is arguably independent, but it is not considered a reliable source for purposes of notability. The IBM patent is an interesting side-note, but does not contribute to notability.

Your draft says it has been cited in numerous scientific papers without providing a source that supports this fact. Note that listing all the papers in which it is mentioned is to engage in WP:synthesis. You need a source that notes that there are numerous scientific papers to put this into a Wikipedia article.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 20:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Further explanation required
I am still not entirely sure what is needed to be done here. Bismuth is referenced on page 2 of the IBM patent. Modeling, Identification and Control is an independent journal. How do you define a principal? Would papers that quote the MIC article be considered independent? I checked the bitcoin wikipedia page for comparison and most of the sources there are far more dubious than some of those listed here (newspapers, internet archive). Thank you for your guidance.

I will add these:

[2] Pedro Pinheiro, Ricardo Santos and Ricardo Barbosa (2019), doi:10.1007/978-3-030-01746-0_39

[3] Sotirios Liaskos, Bo Wang and Nahid Alimohammadi (2019), doi:10.1109/SEAMS.2019.00025

[4] Alberto Leva, Silvia Strada and Mara Tanelli (2019), doi:10.23919/ECC.2019.8795749

[5] George Bissias, David Thibodeau and Brian N. Levine (2019), doi:10.1007/978-3-030-31500-9_24

[6] Wei Zhou (2021), doi:10.3233/JIFS-189633

edit: Independent third party articles have been added, most of the former citations removed (should they be added too?)
 * The people I called principals are people listed as developers at the Bisumuth site or, because they contributed to the Bismuth site or repo, other people not so explicitly called out. Something written by principals cannot contribute to notability.
 * Comparing with Bitcoin is pointless; we don't have any question about whether Bitcoin meets notability requirements.
 * Cites of the Bismuth articles may be considered as helpful, under certain circumstances. Some cites are going to be perfunctory, essentially brief mentions, and are not helpful. A paper that had a more extensive discussion might well be considered as contributing to notability.
 * Reviewers are still going to be looking for coverage outside the inner circle of interest of this protocol. Coverage in newspapers, if it's independent, in-depth coverage, is better in this sense, not dubious.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 19:12, 9 January 2022 (UTC)


 * "Comparing with Bitcoin is pointless; we don't have any question about whether Bitcoin meets notability requirements."
 * Why would that be? Did you see the Bitcoin codebase? Do you understand it? It is notable because it has a zeitgeist and you are citing that as a source for notability? It is clear to me that the mods involved in approving this aricle are clearly against any objective evaluation measures and refuse for a Bismuth article to exist under any and all circumstances, probably because of the avalanche of cryptocurrency scams in favor of the security of Wikipedia information, which is understandable. There go the "good intentions". Tlustajebuzerant (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bismuth (cryptocurrency protocol) (January 11)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Slywriter was:

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Slywriter (talk) 02:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Draft:Bismuth (cryptocurrency protocol)


The page Draft:Bismuth (cryptocurrency protocol) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seemed to be unambiguous advertising which only promoted a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to have been fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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 * Can you please stop bullying me? Thanks. Tlustajebuzerant (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Bismuth IS NOT a company, it is a protocol, a piece of code. Please do not send me irrelevant articles that are situated for companies. Tlustajebuzerant (talk) 02:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * You are asking me to assume good faith from you, yet you reject to publish an article about a protocol which has provable international academic presence based on accusations of spam and lack of sources? The sources literally point to published research and you accuse me of spam? I am not sure what your education is, sir, but I've spent 8 years in higher academia so I think I am aware of how articles should be cited and which sources are to be considered trustworthy. Your approach is unacademic, contra-scientific and provably biased. Tlustajebuzerant (talk) 02:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)