User talk:Tmchale

Please do not copy and paste items from other sources into Wikipedia.

In particular this one:

http://static.hcrhs.k12.nj.us/gems/americanstudies/TWCwikimodelprocess.doc

Thank you.

--Stbalbach 03:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

But I wrote this in a word document. I'm just copying it from where my classroom blog where I uploaded it. I'm a teacher and I've been working for hours on this in preparation for class tomorrow. My students are putting together this site as a community of collaborative writers. Please don't make me do this all over again. —This unsigned comment was added by Tmchale (talk • contribs).

Ok if you wrote it that is ok, I will restore the page. There are some things that need to be changed to conform to wikipedia standards. -- Stbalbach 03:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Travels With Charley: In Search of America
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Travels With Charley: In Search of America] article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  03:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

But these ARE my own words! Am I talking to someone or is this an automated message? I'm attempting to use this site for educational purposes and to build a page that others can edit and benefit from. This is all original content other than a couple of pictures. I will gladly remove those if you will let me continue to build the site. Thanks Tmchale

No, not automated. But it does not meet the WP:V and WP:NOT standards for inclusion in wikipedia. Sorry. Please do not add it in again. &rArr;   SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  04:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

For the record:

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought

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from WP:NOT &rArr;    SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  04:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I think what we are trying to do meets your criteria. Most of it is summaries of the book with links to researched articles (most of which is on Wikipedia). Would it help if I took out the Reading Discussion questions? I was going to use these for class tomorrow, but I can delete them and work with them in another way. The rest of the content is the observations of a community of readers (teachers and high school students). It is not literary analysis as this is a nonfiction piece, but a summary of Steinbeck's main points about America. Would it be alright if I continue?


 * In my opinion, this is a perfect text for Wikibooks. Wikibooks was set up specifically for study guides and teaching materials. I think what you've written is excellent, just not "encyclopedic". -- Stbalbach 04:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Chipping in here:

I also agree that the material, in its present form, is not really suitable for an encyclopedia: it looks like a glorified plot summary, and if there's one thing my 10th grade English teacher taught me, overly lengthy plot summary isn't a substitute for a real book report.

Bear in mind that this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, a digest of information, a presenter of the basic information on subjects. Don't mistake the map for the territory, as someone once said. --Calton | Talk 04:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Of Mice and Men
Here is the Wikibooks entry for Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men. --Stbalbach 04:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I see your point. But are nonfiction books covered differently? Steinbeck's Travels with Charley is the account of his journey in search of how America has changed in the 25 years before 1960. I teach an American Studies course (history and English) and we are using it as an examination of the culture and attitude of the country in this time period. In this way the summary and links work well. Students and others can use the information to gain an understanding of the country and draw their own conclusions or use it to do more research. Isn't that presenting 'basic information'? -Tmchale

Wikibooks is for anything, I picked Mice because it's Steinbeck, but there are other examples including history. You can link to Wikipedia articles from Wikibooks (example Of Mice and Men would link to the Wikipedia Mice and Men article); and you can copy the Wikipedia summary into Wikibooks. So there's nothing different between the two in functionality. Wikibooks would give you a lot more room to expand and do whatever you want in terms of a classroom/educational setting (study questions, etc). If you then want to par it down, into a factual summary, and re-copy back to Wikipedia you could do that also. -- Stbalbach 04:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Would you like me to copy what you've written before over to Wikibooks so you can see what it looks like to get started? --Stbalbach 04:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure. I just tried it, but all the links and images are gone. Maybe I'm missing something. Is there something we can get up and running quickly even if it's just left up for 24 hours? Please? -Tmchale

Ok see wikibooks:Travels With Charley: In Search of America - I edited the first paragraph (Summaries: Part 1 ) to show how the link syntax works, the rest will need to be edited. I can't guarantee all the images will work though, if the images are hosted on Wikicommons it will work, if they are hosted on Wikipedia, you'd need to download the image from wikipedia, then re-upload to Wikicommons before they would show up (the Donna 1960 image for example is on Wikicommons and so works). -- Stbalbach 05:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, but all my research links are gone! My students spent hours researching (using Wikipedia). Why don't they transfer to Wikibooks? Is there an easy way to restore them?

You mean all the links are now red instead of blue? See the first section, "Summaries: Part 1" - edit that section and notice how the links are created. You'll need to go back through the rest of the article and do the same. -- Stbalbach 05:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC) Thanks (I think)

Wyndham Lewis article
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