User talk:Tnrobocop

November 2010
Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to Lakewood, Tennessee. Thank you. Orlady (talk) 03:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

This is not poorly referenced. It is referred to in court documents filed in the lawsuit and also in publ;ic news sources such as I referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnrobocop (talk • contribs) 04:36, 1 November 2010


 * To the contrary, your edits have claimed that a civil lawsuit charged several named people with a felony (I'm no lawyer, but I don't think that's possible under the law) and the references cited don't back you regarding the legal accusations, the named people, or much of anything else. Wikipedia is very concerned that all statements about living people must be solidly supported, and when a negative statement is made it must be both justifiable as encyclopedic content (not, for example, a contributor's personal vendetta against a particular person) and solidly supported as to factual accuracy. See the Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons for more details. Naming a living person who is not a public figure and accusing them of a crime on the pages of Wikipedia without a source to back up the information is a pretty clear violation of that policy. --Orlady (talk) 04:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Voter fraud in Tennessee is a a felony under our state law. Here is a copy of the complaint filed in Davidson County Chancery Court, naming Missy McInturf, her husband, and the dentist's father-in-law in the court documents. By being named as leaders of the group to disband Lakewood and further named in a public lawsuit tends to make them public figures. http://www.lakewoodtn.org/resources/Complaint_against_election_commission.pdf

Here is a further news source from Stillwater, OK detailing about the father-in-law, which is referencing the court documents. http://www.stwnewspress.com/local/x1209409175/Lawsuit-alleges-Stillwater-man-voted-illegally-in-Tennessee

Nothing I stated is a violation of any wiki rule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnrobocop (talk • contribs) 14:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has a lot of policies and guidelines, and it takes everyone a good bit of time to become familiar with the policies we need to know about. Please read Biographies of living persons and think about whether it justifies having Wikipedia tell the world something like "John Doe, age 81, who says his memory isn't what it used to be, was named in a court filing as having voted illegally in a local election in which a total of 799 people voted" (that's not what you said in the article, but I think you know where I'm coming from).


 * The article is not about public figures. Rather, it deals with people who have a reasonable expectation of privacy (see WP:WELLKNOWN and WP:NPF). Note also that the only source you give for most of the information you want to report is the legal complaint that the city filed in court -- see Biographies of living persons and WP:PRIMARY for information on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines regarding the use of legal documents such as that one as sources. Moreover, some of the statements you have added to the article are not actually supported by either of the sources you have cited. Yes, there is an indication in this article that voter fraud is a crime, but I find absolutely nothing that supports your assertion that the city of Lakewood's court filing was a felony indictment of anybody.


 * Wikipedia is not a platform for telling the world that you think your neighbor is a crook. --Orlady (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty then, how about deletion of the comment about speed traps? That's an opinated statement not based in facts, which would also be a violation of the wiki rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnrobocop (talk • contribs)
 * That works for me. But you added information about a change in the reputation, which suggested that there was a factual basis for the first statement -- and possibly a source for the whole story. If Lakewood used to have a speed-trap reputation, but has gotten rid of it -- and there's a reliable source for that info, it would be a worthwhile addition to the article. Reading the article, I assumed that the speed-trap reputation had something to do with certain people's desire to dissolve the charter.


 * And PLEASE sign your comments on talk pages. --Orlady (talk) 21:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

As far as Missy McInturf and her husband, they are public figures by the nature of being the leaders of the group and named in the lawsuit which is a public document. But I understand where you are coming from so sorry about that further information on the wiki. I think it is fair enough that the CRL group is referenced in the wiki that is in place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnrobocop (talk • contribs)
 * Leading a local group in a small town doesn't make a person into a public figure. Thanks for reading the policies. --Orlady (talk) 21:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Signing comments on Wikipedia talk pages
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you must sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. (I will reply to your comment, but first I needed to identify its source.) --Orlady (talk) 14:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)