User talk:Tocela

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 * Hello Mcmatter,
 * Thank you for your review.
 * I was wondering which of the four criteria are not met by the references I linked?
 * I selected several news published by both specialized newspapers and non-specialized ones.
 * My goal is to cover venture builders' landscape in Italy.
 * Thank you and best regards Tocela (talk) 17:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome!
Hello, Tocela, and welcome to Wikipedia!&#32;Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article.&#32;Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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 * Hello Jimfbleak,
 * Thank you for reaching out.
 * If I may ask you, I would like to understand better why it seems I have conflict of interests.
 * My project was to start covering venture builder companies in Italian landscape.
 * I'm not in "receive, or expect to receive, compensation for any contribution you make" position.
 * Could you please advise how should I proceed?
 * Thank you and best regards Tocela (talk) 16:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Reply
When a new editor, as their first edit, writes a full article about a company, under their own name rather than that of the company, it's reasonable to assume the there may be a COI. Just to make sure, are you saying that you don't work for, or on behalf of, this company?

Also read the following regarding writing an article:
 * you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls
 * Your sources appeared to include press releases, sources like EXOR which are not independent, and pages obviousy written by the company.


 * The notability guidelines for organisations and companies have been updated. The primary criteria has five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met:
 * significant coverage in
 * independent,
 * multiple,
 * reliable,
 * secondary sources.
 * Note that an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability.
 * Your text is just what you claim to do, little about the company, not even a location. To show notability you need hard verifiable facts such as the number of employees, management structure, turnover or profits.


 * You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.
 * With no real facts, you appear to just be raising the company profile here


 * There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
 * You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.
 * I didn't check


 * You had no wikilinks, such as nonprofit

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article.

If you have a conflict of interest, you must disclose the nature of that COI. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:20, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Jimfbleak,
 * Apologies for my late reply.
 * Just to understand better: I have not any relation with Vento company, so it wouldn't be fair if I write an article under their name. Am I allowed to write an article about them under my name or only Vento company can publish an article about themselves?
 * Actually, I've prepared another draft about another Italian venture builder company called Cube Labs, but I'm not sure if I can post it without araising again a COI suspect?
 * Here is the draft, maybe you could have any suggestion about it?
 * Thank you very much and best regards
 * __________________________________________________________________
 * Cube Labs SpA is an Italian company operating as a venture builder in the healthcare technology sector[1][2]. Founded by entrepreneur Filippo Surace, Cube Labs builds companies based on academic research and development, with an objective to translate scientific findings into commercially viable products[3][4].
 * Positioned at the intersection of academic science and the commercial life sciences market, Cube Labs conducted an IPO on the Milan Stock Exchange, EGM pro, in March 2023[5][6][7][8].
 * Cube Labs has founded 14 life science startups[9][10] and registered two products to date[12][13].
 * [1] https://forbes.it/2021/04/27/dove-sta-investendo-la-venture-startup-studio-che-vuole-valorizzare-la-scienza-italiana/
 * [2] https://forbes.it/2022/09/28/cube-labs-incubatore-mette-pratica-scienza-italiana/
 * [3] https://www.ilmessaggero.it/economia/moltoeconomia/tecnologia_sanitaria_progetti_cube_labs_universita_consorzi-7083134.html
 * [4] https://www.affaritaliani.it/economia/notizie-aziende/cube-labs-con-ibi-lorenzini-per-lo-sviluppo-di-tecnologie-healthcare-847983.html?refresh_ce
 * [5] https://www.veritaeaffari.it/imprese/biotech-cube-labs-debutta-in-borsa-con-12-startup-in-portafoglio/
 * [6] https://bebeez.it/aim/il-venture-builder-cube-labs-sbarca-domani-alleuronext-growth-milan-con-una-capitalizzazione-
 * di-341-mln-euro/
 * [7] https://bebeez.eu/2023/03/08/italys-angelsincubators-and-venture-capital-weekly-roundup-news-from-cube-labs-
 * caracol-angiodroid-limolane-mamaclean-food-seed-and-ag-4-future-food/
 * [8] https://live.euronext.com/ipo-showcase/cube-labs
 * [9] https://www.tecnomedicina.it/cube-labs-crea-due-nuove-startup-nella-nutraceutica-e-nel-medtech/
 * [10] https://it.marketscreener.com/quotazioni/azione/CUBE-CO-LTD-143457409/attualita/Cube-Labs-amplia-portafoglio-partecipazioni-con-due-nuove-start-up-45515234/
 * [12] https://forbes.it/2022/07/22/incubatori-di-scienza-cube-labs-e-il-suo-modello-di-venture-building/
 * [13] https://finanza.repubblica.it/News/2023/05/08/cube_labs_round_da_470_mila_euro_per_controllata_adamas_biotech-
 * 181/ Tocela (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
 * [12] https://forbes.it/2022/07/22/incubatori-di-scienza-cube-labs-e-il-suo-modello-di-venture-building/
 * [13] https://finanza.repubblica.it/News/2023/05/08/cube_labs_round_da_470_mila_euro_per_controllata_adamas_biotech-
 * 181/ Tocela (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)


 * You seem to be addressing Jim directly, so I am closing your help request. Help requests summon anyone interested to help; if you want to draw the attention of a specific user, just ping them, though Jim may have this page watchlisted. 331dot (talk) 00:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Dear Jim,
 * Apologies for my late reply.
 * Just to understand better: I have not any relation with Vento company, so it wouldn't be fair if I write an article under their name. Am I allowed to write an article about them under my name or only Vento company can publish an article about themselves?
 * Actually, I've prepared another draft about another Italian venture builder company called Cube Labs, but I'm not sure if I can post it without araising again a COI suspect?
 * Here is the draft, maybe you could have any suggestion about it?
 * Thank you very much and best regards
 * __________________________________________________________________
 * Cube Labs SpA is an Italian company operating as a venture builder in the healthcare technology sector[1][2]. Founded by entrepreneur Filippo Surace, Cube Labs builds companies based on academic research and development, with an objective to translate scientific findings into commercially viable products[3][4].
 * Positioned at the intersection of academic science and the commercial life sciences market, Cube Labs conducted an IPO on the Milan Stock Exchange, EGM pro, in March 2023[5][6][7][8].
 * Cube Labs has founded 14 life science startups[9][10] and registered two products to date[12][13].
 * [1] https://forbes.it/2021/04/27/dove-sta-investendo-la-venture-startup-studio-che-vuole-valorizzare-la-scienza-italiana/
 * [2] https://forbes.it/2022/09/28/cube-labs-incubatore-mette-pratica-scienza-italiana/
 * [3] https://www.ilmessaggero.it/economia/moltoeconomia/tecnologia_sanitaria_progetti_cube_labs_universita_consorzi-7083134.html
 * [4] https://www.affaritaliani.it/economia/notizie-aziende/cube-labs-con-ibi-lorenzini-per-lo-sviluppo-di-tecnologie-healthcare-847983.html?refresh_ce
 * [5] https://www.veritaeaffari.it/imprese/biotech-cube-labs-debutta-in-borsa-con-12-startup-in-portafoglio/
 * [6] https://bebeez.it/aim/il-venture-builder-cube-labs-sbarca-domani-alleuronext-growth-milan-con-una-capitalizzazione-
 * di-341-mln-euro/
 * [7] https://bebeez.eu/2023/03/08/italys-angelsincubators-and-venture-capital-weekly-roundup-news-from-cube-labs-
 * caracol-angiodroid-limolane-mamaclean-food-seed-and-ag-4-future-food/
 * [8] https://live.euronext.com/ipo-showcase/cube-labs
 * [9] https://www.tecnomedicina.it/cube-labs-crea-due-nuove-startup-nella-nutraceutica-e-nel-medtech/
 * [10] https://it.marketscreener.com/quotazioni/azione/CUBE-CO-LTD-143457409/attualita/Cube-Labs-amplia-portafoglio-partecipazioni-con-due-nuove-start-up-45515234/
 * [12] https://forbes.it/2022/07/22/incubatori-di-scienza-cube-labs-e-il-suo-modello-di-venture-building/
 * [13] https://finanza.repubblica.it/News/2023/05/08/cube_labs_round_da_470_mila_euro_per_controllata_adamas_biotech- Tocela (talk) 10:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * [13] https://finanza.repubblica.it/News/2023/05/08/cube_labs_round_da_470_mila_euro_per_controllata_adamas_biotech- Tocela (talk) 10:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Reply
I won't see any messages here unless you start them with my username and sign using four tildes in the same edit. Looking at your draft


 * You seem to have invented your own referencing system, you must use ours with the inline references between tags


 * Your refs should not be bare urls, format as cite web etc
 * Your refs include press releases, interviews and other text clearly written by the company or on its behalf.


 * you have no wikilinks to other articles


 * As I said before, you are just telling us what the company claims to do. There is little about the company. To show notability you need hard verifiable facts such as the number of employees, management structure turnover or profits. You don't even tell us what city it's in.
 * You said it wouldn't be fair if I write an article under their name. Am I allowed to write an article about them under my name, or only Vento company can publish an article about themselves? Vento must not write about themselves, and I don't understand how an article about the company can have a title that isn't the company name. The company have no veto over what is said about them here, as long as it is in accordance with our rules

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:09, 21 December 2023 (UTC)